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Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:04 PM
What do you think?

Out of the current players:

1) Sharapova
2) S Williams
3) Davenport
4) Henin
5) V Williams

Steffifan
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:05 PM
1)Jennifer
2)Maria
3)Henin
4)Davenport
5)Williams sisters

Steffifan
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:06 PM
retired players
1)Steffi
2)Martina Hingis
3)Hana M
4)Martina N...not exactly retired yet...opps!:) sorry! :)
5)Chris Evert

TennisVSTennis
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:07 PM
In history?
1) Martina Hingis
2) Monica Seles
3) Steffi Graf
4) Martina Narvatilova
5) Jennifer Capriati

Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:08 PM
No i mean just out of the current players.

Stamp Paid
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:20 PM
1.) S. Williams/V. Williams
2.) M. Sharapova
3.) K. Clijsters
4.) S. Kuznetsova
5.) E. Dementieva

Wiggly
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:22 PM
1) Hantuchova
2) Benesova
3) Myskina
4) Zvonareva
5) Dementieva

TennisVSTennis
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:25 PM
No i mean just out of the current players.
Got it
1) Jennifer Capriati
2) Venus Williams
3) Justine HH
4) Serena Williams
5) Maria Sharapova

crazillo
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Talent alone is difficult to discribe. Actually players like Farina or so show much talent with haveing an all-court game, with mixing it up etc... That is in my opinion the main part of talent.

Sid-Newc
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Sharapova is the most naturally talented out of the current players I think. Closely followed by Davenport and both Williams.

Justeenium
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:47 PM
1. Clijsters
2. Davenport
3. Serena
4. Justine
5. Petrova

CJ07
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:50 PM
1. Hingis (retired I know, but want to give her props)
2. Venus and Serena
3. Lindsay
4. Kournikova (see Hingis, girls has game)
5. The Russians

Chrissie-fan
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:56 PM
1 Henin (most naturally gifted player since Hingis)

2 Capriati (my fave)

And in no particular order (all three are amazing at their best)

Sharapova
Serena
Kuznetsova

Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:58 PM
Haha, someone mentioned Kournikova. I meant talent on tennis courts not talent on magazine covers.

clonesheep
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Justine HH, Serena, Kim Clijsters, Capriati, and Mauresmo.

I am choosing all-around players who can do everything over power strikers (like Davenport) or baseline grinders (like Myskina). It's just a matter of personal taste.

fammmmedspin
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Depends on what you mean by talent. If you mean capable of many good things with excellent hands, anticipation, speed and inspired shot making and originality you would end up with a completely different list than if you included those with one great winning shot, sheer power or a winning gameplan. You might put venus, serena, Lindsay on the second list but they probsbly don't belong anywhere near the first. One list are monosyllabic the others speak many languages. The first list probably has people like Nastya and Patty on it with other potential candidates like Maria S on grass, Momo on a good day, elena D with a serve and Sveta if she uses her net game.

Natural is also a problem. Is Justine natural? Her brain and backhand are . Her serve was remanufactured though. When does natural end and constructed begin.

ys
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Martina H., Lindsay, Sveta, Justine, Kim

The sisters got a tremendous physical talent, but their purely tennis talents ( such as hand-eye coordination, feel of the ball and natural footwork ) are pretty average or even below average for a Top 100. But having the physical talent completely out of this planet, they compensate for a lack of purely tennis talents..

~Cherry*Blossom~
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:21 PM
1)Venus
2)Serena
3)Henin
4)Clijsters
5)Zvonareva

Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Depends on what you mean by talent. If you mean capable of many good things with excellent hands, anticipation, speed and inspired shot making and originality you would end up with a completely different list than if you included those with one great winning shot, sheer power or a winning gameplan. You might put venus, serena, Lindsay on the second list but they probsbly don't belong anywhere near the first. One list are monosyllabic the others speak many languages. The first list probably has people like Nastya and Patty on it with other potential candidates like Maria S on grass, Momo on a good day, elena D with a serve and Sveta if she uses her net game.

Natural is also a problem. Is Justine natural? Her brain and backhand are . Her serve was remanufactured though. When does natural end and constructed begin.

however you think talent should be defined as. This thread is purely based on opinion.

cartmancop
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:23 PM
1.Mauresmo- every shot in the book, capable of winning on all surfaces. Her mental toughness as we all know is suspect though.
2.Henin-Hardenne- Same as Mauresmo but she is mentally stronger. I think Mauresmo is actually better at matching pace with pace though.
3.Serena Willliams- Capable of blasting everyone in the top 10 off the court on any given day. She hasn't used her talent to her advantage this year but she is truly one of the most gifted players.
4.Venus Williams- '' Same as Serena
5.Hantuchova- She has the talent to be top 5 but needs to be in excellent shape b4 that will happen. Once she finds that balance b/w too skinny & not skinny enough, she can be great. I really like her game & she is someone who can hit every shot well.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:27 PM
Mauresmo
S.Williams
K.Clijsters
J.Henin-Hardenne
L.Davenport

Crazy_Fool
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:53 PM
Mauresmo
S.Williams
K.Clijsters
J.Henin-Hardenne
L.Davenport
I would exchange Clijsters for Sharapova but apart from that i agree

CJ07
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Say what you want about Anna Kournikova, but she was heralded as the next best thing at 9 because of her ability, not becuase of her looks (or atleast I hope so)

I define talent as a natural ability to play the game. What Kournikova can do with the ball is amazing. Same with Davenport and the Williams Sisters. Hingis was great too.

Justine is talented obviously, but she just isn't on the league with those mentioned above. (including Anna in my opinion)


But like Serena said, it doesn't matter how talented you are, you don't put in the work you don't get the results.

Pengwin
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:43 PM
1. Dementieva (why else can she get away with such a rubbish serve?)
2. Mauresmo (the backhand is just so fluid)
3. Henin-Hardenne (a bit more mechanical than Mauresmo but the lobs and the passes are amazing)
4. Clijsters (read above)
5. Davenport (the serve, backhand and forehand are perfect)

pigam
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:51 PM
or let's just all give our 5 favs :rolleyes: :yawn:
sorry :) ...

New_balls_please
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:53 PM
Henin
Williams
Capriati
Zvonareva
Mauresmo

Retired players:
ASV
Graf
Seles
Van roost
Sabatini

igost
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:53 PM
1. Serena
2. Maria S
3. Elena D
4. Kim
5. Venus

ali
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:09 PM
Natural talent is hard to define. Mary didn't start playing until she was 11, then was entering main tournaments by the age of 14! This is pretty talented imo. Hingis was groomed for tennis stardom since the day she was born. Yes she had talent, but how much of that was due to the head start she got?

Amorc
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:10 PM
Depends on what you mean by talent. If you mean capable of many good things with excellent hands, anticipation, speed and inspired shot making and originality

Sounds like you are describing Fabrice Santoro. I know its the wrong tour but he is the perfect example of natural talent IMO. I think Martina Hingis would be the closest comparison on WTA tour.

flyingmachine
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:12 PM
1 Momo - With that body for tennis great strength, good speed and good touch with ball there is no doubt she have the most of the natural talent.
2 Justine - Her mighty backhand is truely out of the planet as well as her good tennis brain and that warrior spirit.
3 Sveta - She has everything needed to be a great Champion strength, good touch with ball and just look at her MIGHTY THIGHS. :drool:
4 Serena - Tennis wise she's just O.K. but her physical talent is what is keep her going. Her strength will make any bodylifters proud.
5 Maria - Mixture of mental and physical strength. No wonder she won Wimbelndon.

Crazy_Fool
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Natural talent is hard to define. Mary didn't start playing until she was 11, then was entering main tournaments by the age of 14! This is pretty talented imo. Hingis was groomed for tennis stardom since the day she was born. Yes she had talent, but how much of that was due to the head start she got?
I agree, how can you exactly define natural talent? Is mental strength a talent, is movement a talent, is serve a talent(alot of ppl don't think it is), is power even a talent. Unless you have an actual defination of what talent is, its hard to actually say. I mean you could say who are the 5 best ball strikers in the game, then that would be different, but talent in general is hard to define.

Knizzle
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:43 PM
1. Serena and Venus Williams
3. Amelie Mauresmo
4. Justine Henin-Hardenne
5. Kim Clijsters

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Martina H., Lindsay, Sveta, Justine, Kim

The sisters got a tremendous physical talent, but their purely tennis talents ( such as hand-eye coordination, feel of the ball and natural footwork ) are pretty average or even below average for a Top 100. But having the physical talent completely out of this planet, they compensate for a lack of purely tennis talents..

Really?! Can someone be so physically talented that they can cover up so lil tennis skills?!

Crazy_Fool
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:46 PM
Really?! Can someone be so physically talented that they can cover up so lil tennis skills?!
What is talent? And its such a surprise to see so many people picking their favourites :rolleyes:

DEETHELICK
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:53 PM
1) Amelie Mauresmo

2) Justine Henin-Hardenne

3) Lindsay Davenport/Jennifer Capriati (purely on their ball strking ability)

4) Monica Seles

5) Anastasia Myskina

I'd say Williams x 2 are also naturally talented, however I agree with ys in that their physical talent compensates for traditional tennis abilities such as timing for example. Serena's serve is a very natural talent IMO.

Sid-Newc
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:57 PM
Hey come on guys(just a few people), don't just name your 5 fav players. Name who you think is most gifted.

bandabou
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:10 AM
What is talent? And its such a surprise to see so many people picking their favourites :rolleyes:


:lol:

Crazy_Fool
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:13 AM
:lol:
Not to mention the ones they don't like have no talent at all ;)

Knizzle
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:24 AM
The sisters hand eye coordination is so bad that they won six doubles slams title playing at the net. Tell that to the players who try to pass Venus at the net. :rolleyes:

Sid-Newc
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:37 AM
Players like Both Williams, Sharapova and Davenport get critisized for having "no talent" just cos they are powerful by ignorant and jealous fans. IMO they are the 4 most talented players in the WTA at the moment.

kabuki
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:38 AM
This all too subjective and vague for my taste.

bandabou
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:38 AM
Not to mention the ones they don't like have no talent at all ;)


Hell no they don´t!

Chunchun
Sep 19th, 2004, 01:06 AM
1 Elena Dementieva

*big gap*

2-1000000000000000000000000 crap

dreamgoddess099
Sep 19th, 2004, 01:54 AM
1.Vee/Ree
2.Davenport
3.Justine
4.Amelie
5.The Russians


These are all players who can dictate play. I see talent as the ability to win by utilizing your own strengths, not by being dependent on your opponents weaknesses. I like players that take risks and make things happen.

MinnyGophers
Sep 19th, 2004, 02:22 AM
Mauresmo : every shots in the book, power, potential. She is the epitome of natural talent, only lacking mental toughness.
For Justine, she is also extremely talented. But, I don't really think it is a natural talent, but a potential that she has developed by working really hard. The only natural talent she has is the backhand. I really think ( and i love Juju) that she is not really talented, just a (very) hard worker+ she has nerves of steel and is smart on court.
Sharapova, Williams sisters, Davenport: Natural power.
Capriati: Definitely a natural talent. She's like Hingis. If she hadn't takent the wrong road when she was younger, who knows what she would have achieved.
oh and also Dementieva: If her serve didn't suck that much, she would be one of the tops.

selesbooz
Sep 19th, 2004, 03:37 AM
1. Seles- she is the most naturally talented player in the history of tennis. Born to Play. if you can play with two hands on both, and play like that.....
2. Venus- she wasted so much of her talent not playing. again born to play.
3. Davenport- the best ground strokes out there.
4. Sharapova- same as LD, but need s to work a little harder.
5. A number of players:)

azmad_88
Sep 19th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Clijsters
LenaD
Sharapova
Myskina
Zvonareva

NONE of them got a really got serve(except Sharapova and Zvoanreva)
but without a fast and hard serve..they still can play
i like players that play with intelligence..not power
reminds me of Hingis..

ys
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:01 AM
The sisters hand eye coordination is so bad that they won six doubles slams title playing at the net. Tell that to the players who try to pass Venus at the net. :rolleyes:
First prize is yours.. What net play has got to do with hand-eye? Huh? the best ever hand-eye by far is Agassi.. And his net play is far from the best.

Net play is just pure reaction of an animal called a human.. :lol: . Reflexes.. Plus, long limbs help too..

Emptiness
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:02 AM
Interesting your list of most naturally talented players matches your favourites. :lol:

I'm just going to go by physical talent since thats the most easily defined.
Davenport
Venus
Serena
Momo
Hmmm Bovina/Sharapova

Steffifan
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:29 AM
Capriati & davenport are the most pure ball strikers out there as was Evert :) Martina H Could do everything Baseline game & Net game & was so smart Steffi had the most athletic talents out there awesome..Seles had great mental strength & the ability to take the ball on the rise The Williams sisters are good athletes too Most of the top players today can do it all well um but Elena D's Serve(2nd especially) is pretty bad......Momo is a great natrual talent but her mental strength is lacking...Henin is very talented & has a Courier like work ethic..point being theyre very talented in different ways:)
Go Jenny!:)

Berlin_Calling
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:39 AM
Schnyder, Davenport, Henin, Venus, Zvonareva

vogus
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Haha, someone mentioned Kournikova. I meant talent on tennis courts not talent on magazine covers.

i guess you didn't watch any tennis from 1996-99, if you had you wouldn't be making an ignorant comment like that about Anna. She was incredibly talented.
IMG didn't sign Anna at age 10 because she was a sex symbol, they signed her because she was a tennis prodigy.

vogus
Sep 19th, 2004, 04:50 AM
First prize is yours.. What net play has got to do with hand-eye? Huh? the best ever hand-eye by far is Agassi.. And his net play is far from the best.

Net play is just pure reaction of an animal called a human.. :lol: . Reflexes.. Plus, long limbs help too..

I guess you are referring to Venus - but she is not really a good volleyer. I remember when Venus was coming to the net against Lena D in the Miami match, and Lena was just killing her, exposing Venus's weakness of her not being able to get down for the low volleys. Venus coming to the net is basically just a bluff play.

Great point about Agassi though.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 19th, 2004, 09:51 AM
Good post. I think Hingis and Henin are certainly among the most talented players in recent decades. Physically they have a disantvantage compared to most of the other girls. They are smaller and are not as strong. Yet,they compensate for it with a superior technique,a great tennis mind and by being so crafty.


Capriati & davenport are the most pure ball strikers out there as was Evert :) Martina H Could do everything Baseline game & Net game & was so smart Steffi had the most athletic talents out there awesome..Seles had great mental strength & the ability to take the ball on the rise The Williams sisters are good athletes too Most of the top players today can do it all well um but Elena D's Serve(2nd especially) is pretty bad......Momo is a great natrual talent but her mental strength is lacking...Henin is very talented & has a Courier like work ethic..point being theyre very talented in different ways:)
Go Jenny!:)

Mr_Molik
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:08 AM
1. mauresmo
2. hantuchova
3. dokic
4. dementieva
5. dulko

timray
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:33 AM
1) S. Kuznetsova
2) Justine HH
3) Serena Willliams
4) Anastasia Myskina
5) Petrova

Players like Venus williams, Sharapova, Amelie Mauresmo and Davenport, are tall and powerful, they show less talent just because they use a lot their size and power for wining matches.

jochem
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:46 AM
capriati - for reaching a GS SM at age 15 or so? (but I do not like her)
schnyder - very gifted player, but lacks power for top-10 ranking
henin-H - that backhand for sure
mauresmo - same as henin
sharapova - winning wimbli aged 17, but we'll have to see about her...

any comments?

aime
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Talking about talent, no power, mental strenght.... I choose:
Mauresmo
Henin
Miskyna
Schnyder
Davenport

teigetje
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:53 AM
1. Serena W
2. Kim C
3. Jennifer C
4. Lindsey D
5. Venus W

jochem
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:57 AM
I meant to so Semifinal for Capriati :)
but isn't hard work during practises, taking advantage of opponents weaknesses, talent as well?

jochem
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:03 AM
hai aime,
talking about mental strenght, I loveeeeeeee Myskina btw, I think her weakest part is her mental side... she led HH in Athens 5-1 in third set and lost because of nerves 8-6, she as a result of that lost in round two in NY and now in Bali...

Allez-H
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:09 AM
No particular order:
Patty:amazingly talented,if she hadn't had those personal problems she would have been a topfive player for sure and would've been contesting for Slamtitles

Justine:At Wimby 2001 I realised one thing:that girl has everything.Or let me put it in away a Belgian commentator once said:Justine is a pure diamond with one rough edge: physical strenght.And at that time it was true but she worked on it and look at the succes she has now.I always used to think that Justine was playing in the wrong generation,but she showed that if you work hard you'll always fit in.She can do stuff to the ball that no-one can.You ask her to execute a shot and she'll do it in the most perfect way.Sometimes it's just pure genious.Her most beautiful shots are BTW :BH,dropshots,halfvolleys :drool: and lobs....

Amelie:Same as Justine,can do everything with the ball but her strenght is 'natural',she didn't/doesn't have to work as hard as Justine on that part of the game.But OTOH she lacks mental strenght.The day that'll master her own mind,it'll be difficult to stop her.

Serena:If you can do so many things next to your tennis and not concentrate on tennis 100% like most of players do,and still dominate the Tour like she did,then believe me you're talented....

Though one but I would say Venus:Based on pure talents that girl has alot of potential and eventhough she already won 4 Slams an Olympics medal and tons of other tourneys she still hasn't fullfilled her potential entirely.It's a pity tht the last couple of years she doesn't seem to find the right form consistantly.

Crazy_Fool
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:46 AM
1) S. Kuznetsova
2) Justine HH
3) Serena Willliams
4) Anastasia Myskina
5) Petrova

Players like Venus williams, Sharapova, Amelie Mauresmo and Davenport, are tall and powerful, they show less talent just because they use a lot their size and power for wining matches.
Haha, i used to think this as well ;)

But watch Davenport or Sharapova, they're not where they are because they are tall, their groundstrokes are world class. Mauresmo does not even have that much power really, so not sure why you put her there. I don't understand why you put Petrova in your list when she is tall, and Serena is extremely powerful as well :confused:

potty
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:54 AM
1 Patty
2 Martinez
3 Amelie
4 Myskina
5 Loit

Daniel
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:56 AM
CLijsters
Myskina
Davenport
Sharapova
Justine

NicoMary
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:11 PM
1)Hénin:worship: (=hingis:worship: :eek: )just so talented
2)Vénus:hearts: THE athlet
3)Pierce:hearts: POWER
4)Kournikova:hearts: (=Sharapova:worship: )Body, smart, and pace
5)Serena:eek: Just the most terrific game ever

Loughyunijen
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:17 PM
1. Justine henin hardine - has to be the ne of the best...shes a great mover...got a strong serve.....and red hot back hand, closely followed by a hot cross court forehand! What she lacks in power she makes up in sped and court coverage!

2. Lindsay Davenport - She would have been my number 1 if it had not have been for one huge exception....court coverage/movement...to be a great tenis player this has a huge effect! Lindsay has the best serve in the womans game......power AND placement....comming from 6" 2 1/2 you are goona get accuracy! She has a devestating backhand and a constatnt forehand. Also she has great hands at the net and volly's beautifully.....surely this is natural talent....especially standing at 6" 2 1/2!?!?! But not just that....she is the cleanest sriker of the ball on the tour......closely followed by sharopova......we all know who we have to thank for that.....go lasdorp!

3. Jennifer Capriati - was a toughy to go 2nd or 3rd...but i think 3rd is just for natural ability. a huge ad for Jen is her court coverage and athelisim....she does that great...but how much is it natural???? surely should would have had to work at that...i mean she is not the slimist of the players. Her serve is good , with power, her fore hand has got to be her strongest part of her game then her bank hand.

4. Maria sharapova - great court coverage. great serve. back hand and fore hand good. She's only 4th because her game is not complete.....compared to todays players she has a weaker game because she hasnt developed fully as a player yet! she'll get there! lacks consistancy.

5. Kim Clijsters - Great of both fore and back hand wings.......grear power and precsion. Serve is good....but clijsters has awesome court coverage (just like leyton!!)....and gets every ball back....thast great natural athletisim! She has great will power and mental strength!

Mariangelina
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:28 PM
I can't define "talent" too well, so:

Athleticism:
1. Serena Williams
2. Elena Dementieva
3. Venus Williams
4. Amélie Mauresmo
5. Justine Henin-Hardenne

How hard they can whack a fuzzy yellow ball:

1. Serena Williams
2. Lindsay Davenport
3. Maria Sharapova
4. Venus Williams
5. Elena Dementieva

Finesse and Variety:

1. Amélie Mauresmo
2. Patty Schnyder
3. Justine Henin-Hardenne
4. Conchita Martinez

Pathetic attempt at "all-around":

1. Amélie Mauresmo
2. Justine Henin
3. Serena Williams
4. Elena Dementieva
5. Karolina Sprem

Jen'sFan
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:32 PM
How can anyone put Clijsters in there!! She is not natural at anything, apart from doing the splits but whats that got to do with tennis!!!!!

*Karen*
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:34 PM
I think Davenport's the most talented. Apart from movement her games almost perfect, she never misses a shot.

Even though they're my least faviourite players I can also admit that Justine and Amelie are number 2 and 3.

Jen at number 4. Never know what would've happpened if she didn't have that gap in her career.

Then Svetlana number 5. Never seen her until a couple of weeks ago but very impressed with all aspects of her game.
That's my top 5.

Then I'd say Serena/Venus/Maria/Vera in no particular order. They are naturally more powerful than the rest.

WorldWar24
Sep 19th, 2004, 02:06 PM
1 Dokic
2 Hingis
3 Dementieva
4 Hantuchova
5 Schnyder
6 Zvonareva

crazillo
Sep 19th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Finesse game:

1. Schnyder
2. Martinez
3. Farina-Elia
4. Maleeva
5. Zvonareva/Myskina

Power:

1. Serena
2. Lindsay
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Kuznetsova/Mauresmo

tennismaster8820
Sep 19th, 2004, 03:43 PM
1. Justine Henin - she has so natural game, you can't teach that backhand!
2. Serena Williams - so strong and athletic
3. Lindsay Davenport - the best striker of the ball, it looks so easy
4. Patty Schnyder - has all the finese, unusual type of play
5. Maria Sharapova and Karolina Sprem - great talents for the future, both hit ball so hard and are great movers

timray
Dec 24th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Haha, i used to think this as well ;)

But watch Davenport or Sharapova, they're not where they are because they are tall, their groundstrokes are world class. Mauresmo does not even have that much power really, so not sure why you put her there. I don't understand why you put Petrova in your list when she is tall, and Serena is extremely powerful as well :confused:

better?

1) Justine HH
2) Anastasia Myskina
3) Serena Willliams
4) Maria Sharapova
5) S. Kuznetsova

greenfunkTHREE.
Dec 24th, 2004, 08:11 PM
1.Amelie Mauresmo, she's just talented. the hands. really great.

2.Anastasia Myskina, i read an article on her. and her coach said she has the best backhand on the wta. :eek: how true? i dont know.

3.Svetlana Kuznetsova, Sveta's really talented. she's cool hits the ball well except for the occasional balls which go awry.

4.Maria Sharapova, no doubts. even Navratilova thought she was talented.

5.Justine Henin-Hardenne, She's the best, she does everything almost perfect.

Philip
Dec 24th, 2004, 09:06 PM
born natural talent:

Patty Schnyder
Monica Seles
Venus
Serena
Jennifer Capriati

in no particular order there.

special mention: Anastasia Myskina, Lindsay Davenport, Kim Clijsters, Justine Henin.

Geez.. all players who are able to reach top 10 must have some natural born talent anyway...

SpikeyAidanm
Dec 24th, 2004, 09:40 PM
1) Bovina
2) Schnyder
3) Serena
4) Schwartz
5) Henin-Hardenne

Lady
Dec 24th, 2004, 09:53 PM
What are find really funny about this thread as how many 1st posts here were made by posters who are banned right now! :lol:

j_dementieva27
Dec 24th, 2004, 09:57 PM
1. Justine Henin-Hardenne
2. Amelie Mauresmo
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Serena Williams
5. Elena Dementieva

SzavayFi
Dec 24th, 2004, 09:59 PM
Hmm, Venus, Serena, Hantuchova, Schnyder, and Petrova :)

Teemu
Dec 24th, 2004, 10:11 PM
1. Sharapova
2. both Williams'
4. Dementieva
5. Ana Ivanovic!

PointBlank
Dec 25th, 2004, 05:40 AM
I think Venus has NATURAL talent to play .. and you can tell when she plays .. Serena worked her ass off to get to the top .. I think she worked to her tennis skills .. not born talent

timray
Dec 25th, 2004, 03:32 PM
Many people posted here deferent answers, how do one spot a talented, skilled tennis player?

Players who won big titles while they were young are usually identified as natural talented players.
Players, who won titles in a more mature age, are usually identified as players who worked hard on their skills.

_Cell-chuk
Dec 25th, 2004, 04:01 PM
1. Patty
2. Henin
3. Mauresmo
4. Conchita
5. Capriati
If Anna is not retired then I would definitely put her up in the top3

TonyP
Dec 25th, 2004, 04:10 PM
1. Serena Williams
2. Henin-Hardenne
3. Maria Sharapova
4. Myskina
5. Patty Schnyder (always has to be one great under achiever on such a list.)


All time (Open era)

1. Hingis
2. Goolagong
3. Serena
4. Sabatini
5. Mandlikova

By natural talent, I mean just plain athletic talent which allowed them to have great control over their bodies, great hand/eye coordination and great natural instincts for what to do on court.

Others piled up better stats than the all time five I picked, either through superior power, harder work, longer careers or other advantages and some of this list probably didn't care about tennis as much or something.

But they could walk out on the court, pick up a racket and do things with it some of these greater players could not. They are in general the players who are the most fun to watch.

Greenout
Dec 25th, 2004, 04:19 PM
Interesting... Hmm.

1) All the 1-handed backhand players are naturally talented. None of them
were taught how to do it, they decided themselves that they felt comfortable
with it. Justine, Amelie, Sly Farina ...

2) Venus/Serena- You can tell they're naturally talented because some
of their shots are not text book perfect. There's alot of dangling arms,
too heavy swings. I don't know how anybody can say they were
made. It's all natural, and still quite raw.

3) Lindsay, is a natural hitter of the ball. The timing is perfect, and this
has more to do with her than any form perfecting.

4) Capster. She is another player that is all talent, and not much
form perfection practice. All the shots and awareness is from her own
capacity. It's not from doing drills. The only thing that can even be
called forced in her game is getting her to get in buffer shape. The
footwork doesn't look like it's drilled into perfection. It's all Capster, and
not about the coaching.

5) Patty- The very fact that she's a lefty tells you how talented she is.
They do not teach lefty tennis- it's not even a desired trait.

*Honorable mentions- Vampire and ED; but not Sharapova. Why?
Sharpy is all coaching, drilling, and training. Obviously, Vampire and
ED aren't. The ground strokes are all natural- and it's not even text book
perfect looking- yet with their speed and timing it works.

The most natural players are the ones that do not look polished. JHH's
1-handed backhand is not the textbook variety. If you watch her she sort
of rocks backwards to gain speed. This is not the ideal way to do it. Even
Amelie's backhand isn't perfect.


*Sorry to say this, and I do like Maria; but she's very manufactured.
The Sampras serve, the Venus like hitting from the back. You can
even name the players that her coaching team have taken aspects of
their traits from.

Smackie
Dec 25th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Greenout, how do you know what I think?!

First off, how could people put Maria S down as talented? She is the most moulded player of all. She is good but not borned talented.

Justine is talented but not as talented as Mauresmo. Justine works her arse off to get to where she is, plus her will to be perfect.

Serena and Venus are not the top talented player. Their physical attributes and training by Richard made them who they are.

I do think Amelie and Patty (among those mentioned) are quite talented but no one can match Hingis in this department. She is........well, talent.

VS Fan
Dec 25th, 2004, 11:01 PM
Hmmm...

What the HELL is "natural talant"????

ALL the women in the top 20 worked their butts off to become pro tennis players, whether by their own desire or the desires of their parents or coaches.

I remember Richard Williams (who reportedly fathered two girls to make them tennis players) saying back in 1999 that while tennis came rather easy for Venus, that Serena struggled greatly in the shadow of her older sister. He said that the game came naturally for Venus, but Serena had to work really hard to try to keep up.

He surmised at that time that Serena eventually would become the more successful player due to her hard work, but acknowledged that Venus, it she put her mind to it could beat anybody if she would take the game more seriously.

In other words, If Venus had worked even half as hard as Serena did on her game,
She just might be holding NINE slam titles to Serena's ONE.

There is no substitute for working hard on your game and improving as you play.

Gowza
Dec 26th, 2004, 12:21 AM
anyone in the top 20 are extremely naturally talented, its one thing to work your butt off but if the talent isnt there you arent going to go as high as the top 20. there are different types of natural talent ie someone who has a very tennis mind and strategically is amazing and then there is the talent of being able to wack the ball as hard as you can and still get the ball in court long enough to win points and the talent of timing the ball well. for me hingis was right up there, and schnyder is up there as well, davenport times the ball extremely well so in terms of timing i put her up there. i think henin is probably the best all round talent, she has the power, the stragey, the speed, the volleys, her serve has got better and she is so small to add that she just amazes me how she can compete right up there with the best.

ktwtennis
Dec 26th, 2004, 01:14 AM
Monica is a current player, so definitely her!

mboyle
Dec 26th, 2004, 01:24 AM
how do we know? Every player we have ever seen has had the influence of a coach, and most of the players we would list have had far better coaching than players not listed. What is nature, and what is nurture?

fammmmedspin
Dec 26th, 2004, 01:25 AM
Problem is physically talented players often don't need strategy or inventive play, Some players have amazing shots born of real talent but beyond doing that well are very limited. Is Monica's game new and unique or predictable ? Does it depend when you watch? Is winning with great limitations more or less talented? Some players were just gifted - Hingis springs to mind. Others were clearly gifted but got to the top with weights and by working on shots - Justine and her serve springs to mind - which of those are more "naturally talented"? Is Justine natural or has she got there with enormous effort? Does being born big count as a talent and if it doesn't do you include speed or footwork or not? Is Sveta a big muscular blaster or an innovative all court player with amazing shots? Is Maria a trained blaster or the evolution of the big babe to something else?

Its all very arbitary. If I take out the physical giants, the players changed majorly by the gymn, the repetitive and the drilled, my list would include Myskina, Dementieva and Patty with Serena (recent model), Sveta and Maria being more muscular potential associate members and Vera as a potential club member. Momo probably belongs but her play just doesn't turn me on - . Justine and Francesca Schiavone probably belong too as they both have some amazing shots but they are probably in another class as they needed to build up the muscle to allow themselves to use their talent. Strange thing is Kim is is as good or better than most people on that list - which suggest she must have a hell of a lot of some sort of talent.

Venus Forever
Dec 26th, 2004, 01:28 AM
1. Venus Williams
2. Serena Williams
3. Justine Henin-Hardenne
4. Monica Seles
5. Amelie Mauresmo

Robbie.
Dec 26th, 2004, 01:37 AM
This is so difficult, because the concept itself is slippery.

All I will say is that I doubt many of us will see a better ball striker than Davenport in our life times. We have to appreciate her while she is still here. Her groundstrokes are sheer perfection.

Greenout
Dec 26th, 2004, 02:40 AM
JHH's example is interesting; but I think we forget that before she
became buffer there was WIMBLEDON 2001 final versus Venus.

Un-Buff JHH is still a top 5 player, not too sure if she would've won
the grand slams.

I'm not sure about Sveta because she plays too much like ASV and Steffi
now. I can't tell if this is from the Sanchez training camp or her own
stuff. Actually, IMHO Nadia Petrova could be the underated natural talent
above Maria, Sveta and Vera Z. She did win Junior RG in 1998, so obviously
that's the quality of play that's been there for ages. Again, a better volleyer
than some of the others Russians; but not refined or sharp enough yet.

Interesting topic!

spencercarlos
Dec 26th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Serena
Davenport
Mauresmo
Henin
Kuznetsova

Graf
Seles
Hingis
Sabatini
Schnyder

Greenout
Dec 26th, 2004, 02:53 AM
I just realized that if I name Petrova, then I would also have to
bring up Daniela H. We can't get success mixed up with the concept
of "natural talent".

Wouldn't Daniela have won WIMBLEDON if she
didn't have Nigel Sears as a coach, and had Maria's staff instead?

lauramariana
Dec 26th, 2004, 02:58 AM
1 - Amélie Mauresmo
2 - Gaby Sabatini :worship:
3 - Justine Henin
4 - Steffi Graf
5 - Chris Evert

moby
Dec 26th, 2004, 04:32 AM
There is no substitute for working hard on your game and improving as you play.
Melanie Molitor once said that there is no such thing as natural talent. She said that we might think Martina is a natural from the way she makes tennis look so easy, but it took a lot of practice at a very young age.

Prizeidiot
Dec 26th, 2004, 05:59 AM
Ohhh... I tend to disagree as in technical talent, which I think may be the focus of this thread. Most of the top players have physical and mental superiority, and big serves and groundstrokes, but as in the natural ability to be able to show great technique, it's a different story.

1) Vera Zvonareva: Seems to be very gifted, to bad its almost completely compensated
by her weak mentality
2) Kim Clijsters: Does everything well. A Very very technically sound player in all aspects, which can't be achieved without a lot of talent.
3) Martina Navratilova: I might put her higher, but I haven't seen that much of her. But her talent allows her to compete at age 47. Need I say more?
4) Alicia Molik: Has always had good technique, her whole game is "pretty" to watch. Just let down by her mind and inconsistency, until now maybe?
5) Emilie Loit: A bit of an odd choice maybe, but I can't help but be impressed by her. Not a powerful player, just wins through her ability to do everything well.

I left out a lot of the really top players due to my belief that they are the best through strength, serve and zinging winners. A lot of them, should the power play fail, do not have the talent to play differently with any good effect. (ie, mix up pace, volley more)
Mauresmo is another one I think has talent despite not being on my list.

TonyP
Dec 31st, 2004, 04:13 PM
I admire Melanie Molitor, but I think she is dead wrong about the natural talent issue and she herself is the best example of that. She herself was a pro for something like eight years. She had been playing probably her whole life before becoming a pro.

Obviously, she knows tennis inside out. Her success as a coach cannot be questioned.

So, if all it takes is constant practice, why wasn't she herself a grand slam winner and a world number one, or even a top ten player? She certainly had to know all the shots herself to be able to teach them to others.

I think it is simply because she didn't possess the physical skills. Luckily for her, she gave birth to a daughter who not only had the mentality to learn ALL the shots, but the physical skills to execute them. The thing is, while you can improve motor skills, you cannot manufacture them. Great reflexes, great hand/eye coordination, are genetically inherited trains only a few people are blessed with. In Martina's case, she got her's from Melanie and her father, who was also an athlete.

It is no fluke that many top athletes today are the children of athletes.

Melanie, like Brad Gilbert, is an excellent example of a mediocre player who becomes a great coach. Except Brad accomplished far more in his career than Melanie did in her's.

LesViolettes
Dec 31st, 2004, 11:19 PM
Let's see:

Justine Henin-Hardenne
Amélie Mauresmo
Venus Williams
Anastasia Myskina
Patty Schnyder

pinkfrog
Jan 1st, 2005, 12:18 AM
before i post my picks i have to question everybody who put anna k. on their lists. she never won a wta title and was only in 4 wta finals. how can you justify putting her on your list? right now there are only three players in the top 20 without a title, nadia petrova(12), karolina sprem(18), Francesca Schiavone(19). I think all three will win at least one title this year. so to put anna k. above any other player in the top twenty just doesnt make sense. now i know that there are players lower in the rankings who are more talented than players in the top 20 and just havent played enough to get the points need, so im not saying just the top 20 are talented.

okay now that im done ranting here's my list (in no order):
sharapova
serena
davenport
henne-hardenne
clijsters

CandyQueen
Jan 1st, 2005, 01:04 AM
1. Kim Clijsters - She is a wonderful player, all round game! She still manages to win even when injured...... :worship:

2. Jennifer Capriati - Great power player, she is still one of the best on tour despite injury :worship:

3. Maria Sharapova - At such a young age she has an amazing talent, still room for improvement in her game. When it is complete think how scarey of a player she will be :worship:

4. Elena Dementieva - Great player, has a shitty serve tho but is in the top 10, shows how much talent she has :) :)

5. Tatiana Golovin - Omg she is going to be a force to be recognised in the future! :D

Lemonskin.
Jan 1st, 2005, 04:04 AM
I suppose Momo, Justine, Masha S, Serena, Lindsay and Lena D in no order.

Lena is so very gifted with her game but her mental state hardly ever lets it shine.

wateva
Jan 1st, 2005, 05:53 AM
1) clijsters
2) myskina
3) henin
4) mauresmo
5) zvonareva