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TennisVSTennis
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:01 PM
Before winning the slams, Kuznetsova has a far worse records than Dokic and Hantuchova.
And Sharapova on grass is not nearly as good as Dokic on clay or Hantuchova on hardcourt.

Dokic has won 2 Tier I events before she turned 19 and Hantuchova won one of the biggest event on tour at 18. It's too bad they peaked at a year where Serena and Venus were at their peak and just about everyone else was out of contention in slams. Sharapova and Kuznetsova are lucky to have such a weak group of top 3 present for them to surprise everyone.

I think if Hantuchova and Dokic are at their peak this year, they could also have been slam winners.

Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Dokic got to SF(best GS result), but got thrashed by Davenport. Hantuchova got to QF and got beaten. Thats not really close enough to winning a slam.

So I don't think they were good enough.

callado
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:08 PM
no.....

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Maria just got lucky that's all. I have to watch Kuznetsova a little more to determine if she got lucky also. Dokic and Hantuchova I do not think they will ever win a slam. But that's just my opinion on Dokic and Hantuchova.
maria just got lucky? i'd like to see someone else beat hantuchova, frazier, sugiyama, davenport, and serena williams all in a row... and in fact CRUSH serena williams, 2 time defending champ.

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:14 PM
dokic and hantuchova are victims of their own inner turmoil. that's the difference between them and sharapova and kuznetsova, who both seem to have everything in place.
dokic and hantuchova have tons of game, and they're still young. let's see if either can fully resurrect their games. then, they're certainly just as capable as sharapova and definitely kuznetsova.

Russia Rules
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:15 PM
maria just got lucky? i'd like to see someone else beat hantuchova, frazier, sugiyama, davenport, and serena williams all in a row... and in fact CRUSH serena williams, 2 time defending champ.

Ignore the scum! Its called jealousy, it happens A LOT on message boards.

Maria had a harder draw at wimbledon than most other GS winners.

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:16 PM
Serena was way off from her best, and we all know it.
think what you may. serena only won a couple of games on what some consider to the the biggest stage in tennis, she was often pushed far beyond the baseline and hitting off her back foot simply because she ran into a stronger player. maria didn't let up, and serena never saw a softball like she did many many times from amelie. sharapova was just in another league in that tournament.

Wiggly
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Dokic: NO!

hantucho will wins Wimbleon or US Open in 2005 or 2006

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Jelena needs to pick up her game a ton to win a grand slam.

Emptiness
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:18 PM
So you are saying no one really wins if their opponent is not "100%"? If Serena and Venus were the champions you think they are they should of been able to beat "lucky" players like Sharapova.

Serena and Venus were very dominate in their eras but that era is over. I wish people would stop using that excuse. You are not going to be 100% every match you play thats part of the game.

I don't think Dokic or Hantuchova are capable of winning slams in their current level of play..

Freakan
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:22 PM
I think they both have pretty good chances and I believe Jelena will come back SOOO MUCH stronger after all this crap in her life

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Yea, I would also like to see them going after Serena and Venus when they are both 100% healthy if they could do that and win then I will give them full credit for the win but not other wise.
whenever they lose, they are (by their claims or the claims of their fans) below 100%. so it's impossible, and it's bullshit. if venus and serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players and not be beaten into the ground by them... :rolleyes:

Hant Hant
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:24 PM
Obviously Hant and Dokic will dominate the next several years. Hant will win 15 grand slam titles and Dokic will also win 15 and then they will win 30 women's doubles titles together!

flyingmachine
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Sorry Dokic and Dani fans but I have to say NO.

vogus
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:41 PM
The thread starter is living in the past (2001-02, to be exact). Dokic and Hantuchova are yesterday's hot young stars. Their time came and went in the blink of an eye. I seriously doubt that either will ever challenge for a GS title. It will be enough for them to stay on the tour and have decent careers.

Stefwhit
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:13 PM
whenever they lose, they are (by their claims or the claims of their fans) below 100%. so it's impossible, and it's bullshit. if venus and serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players and not be beaten into the ground by them... :rolleyes:
It's interesting that you say "if Venus and Serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players..." Hearing you say that implies that at this time, both Vee and Serena are currently not as good as they once were, that's why they're getting "beaten into the ground". The irony there is that that's exactly what 'SOME' fans mean when they say that they're not at 100% ...

But where you really start contradicting yourself is when you play it both ways-

You then make this point:
i'd like to see someone else beat hantuchova, frazier, sugiyama, davenport, and serena williams all in a row... and in fact CRUSH serena williams, 2 time defending champ.
After reading this it sounds as if you consider beating Serena, or as you say, crushing Serena at Wimby, a feat worthy of praise and accomplishment. I mean the whole point of that comment from you in the first place was to show that Sharapova didn't have an easy draw and the fact that she was able to beat "SERENA" at Wimby, especially the way that she did, made it even more impressive.

Well, which is it???? :confused: :confused: If Serena isn't truly that great than why is it sooooo impresive that Maria beat her- excuse me, crushed her??

Please correct me if I'm wrong but you've got me a little confused. It seems like you're saying that presently Serena isn't as good as she was, but when you want to talk about how great Sharapova is you then use Maria's win over her as the ultimate proof of how good Maria really is- which doesn't make any sense...

You're logic seems to be just as screwed up as the logic you accuse some William's fans of having.

Crazy_Fool
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:18 PM
No for Dokic, her game isn't that great anymore.

For Daniela, it is a possibility if she just turns up to a slam and everything works for her, all the shots she attempts go in etc. She doesn't really play percentage tennis right now, so i would say its unlikely.

CJ07
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:19 PM
Hantuchova never really beat anybody special outside of Martina Hingis. And thats after Hingis's downfall, so that really wasn't special either.

As for Dokic, well she had wins over Top Top players in their hayday (Venus, Capriati, Hingis etc.) so she has a bit more game...even though it is one dimensional.

Sharapova and Kuznetsova are better than those two because they have obvious weapons and are sounder mentally.

But if you put Dokic and Hantuchova where those two where in their draws, they'd probably win too

conrado
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Daniela is very determined to come back on the top where she belongs and i think it's a matter of time she will fully recover her game. Remember where Dementieva was two years ago when she even didn't pass second round at USopen and now she reached the final. I don't know whether Daniela win GS or no but she will return to the top ten for sure.
Jelena has a different kind of problems including her personal live and burnout as a player, but after a long break i think she will renew her potential just like Jennifer Capriati did, I hope so. :)

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:59 PM
It's interesting that you say "if Venus and Serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players..." Hearing you say that implies that at this time, both Vee and Serena are currently not as good as they once were, that's why they're getting "beaten into the ground". The irony there is that that's exactly what 'SOME' fans mean when they say that they're not at 100% ...

But where you really start contradicting yourself is when you play it both ways-

You then make this point:

After reading this it sounds as if you consider beating Serena, or as you say, crushing Serena at Wimby, a feat worthy of praise and accomplishment. I mean the whole point of that comment from you in the first place was to show that Sharapova didn't have an easy draw and the fact that she was able to beat "SERENA" at Wimby, especially the way that she did, made it even more impressive.

Well, which is it???? :confused: :confused: If Serena isn't truly that great than why is it sooooo impresive that Maria beat her- excuse me, crushed her??

Please correct me if I'm wrong but you've got me a little confused. It seems like you're saying that presently Serena isn't as good as she was, but when you want to talk about how great Sharapova is you then use Maria's win over her as the ultimate proof of how good Maria really is- which doesn't make any sense...

You're logic seems to be just as screwed up as the logic you accuse some William's fans of having.
nothing about this quote... "if Venus and Serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players..."
says that they aren't as good as they once were. it merely states that people say that they aren't as good as they once were when in fact that may not be true. it could just be that the other players have caught up, which is definitely what i think the case is. serena went through early round wimbledon just as usual, and mauresmo played a tough match, and serena got through.
and about maria crushing serena, that's only impressive because she absolutely destroyed the 2 time defending champion in her first grand slam final appearance. it wouldn't have mattered who it was. serena wasn't as good (not nearly as good) as maria was that day. what was impressive about maria's win is that she had 5 wins in a row over tough players, the win against serena was no more important than the others. i never said that it was "the ultimate proof of how good Maria really is". show me where i said that...
the thing is, i can't believe you are defending someone who says "i'll only give credit to an opponent when she beats venus or serena at 100%", but in fact, great players win matches all the time when they aren't 100%, and everytime i've seen venus or serena lose, there's always a reason that follows which "indicates" how they weren't at 100%. so it's ridiculous. no one can ever beat them in some people's eyes.

DEETHELICK
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:58 PM
I've always been impressed by Dokic's mental fortitude and its a shame its gone where it has. She used to be so 'together'.

Daniela also has great shots, very nice game overall, but she is mentally weak IMO.

Jelena has made only 1 SF, Daniela has never got there. Until they can play conistent tennis, they have little chance of winning a Slam. And both need their fitness to be at a peak level.

Chances of winning Slams:

1) Kim
2) Elena D
3) Amelie

GAP

4) Dokic
5) Hantuchova

kabuki
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:10 PM
Sorry, no. The competition is just so much better. But you never know. Just look at Majoli. And, if I see Dani cry DURING a match again, I'm gonna barf.

faboozadoo15
Sep 18th, 2004, 11:30 PM
no offense, but i'd put dokic's chances just a tad lower than amelie's. amelie will consistently go farther, but jelena plays mental fortitude type tennis and if she plays a good 2 weeks, she gets the trophy. with amelie, it's more dodgy. she needs someone to choke more than she does or just completely not show up.

jenny161185
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:16 AM
I think If everything is in place in Dannis game and mind the she can definately win slams , Id love to see her get everything together and play the tennis that shes capable of

beauty_is_pink
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:26 AM
Daniela needs to get work done mentally, her game is slowly coming back as we can see, the only thing is the mental part. she needs to get that done.
im rooting for her always man, she'll get some GS under her belt soon :yeah:

cartmancop
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:26 AM
Dokic- No.... It's sad to say but she seems to have wasted her talent with her numerous personal problems. A few years ago I would have said that she had a possibility, but now with the Russians, Belgians and WS all on tour @ one time it's highly unlikely that she will ever get a draw that is favorable enough for her to win.

Hantuchova- Possible I think if it happens, it won't happen until '06 or '07, by then presumably Davenport & Capriati will be gone, so there will be some vacant space near the top & with improved fitness I think she has the talent to take her to a GS title.

Gowza
Sep 19th, 2004, 02:18 AM
dokic needed to get to a slam final early on like clijsters and henin did, i think she is still a chance to get a one off grand slam, that is if she can ever get her game back together. she might become a patty schnyder type player, can beat the best on her day but can also lose to some pretty bad players. i dont give her much of a chance to win a slam but i think their is a small chance of a one off slam.

hantuchova, not sure atm, still needs to get her game back in order. she is hitting ok its just mental now especially with those 3 setters. she has the game if she can fix it mentally to win a couple of slams.

vogus
Sep 19th, 2004, 03:35 AM
Hantuchova- Possible I think if it happens, it won't happen until '06 or '07, by then presumably Davenport & Capriati will be gone, so there will be some vacant space near the top & with improved fitness I think she has the talent to take her to a GS title.

by '06-'07, there will be 6 or 8 new stars on the tour who are just as good today's Davenport and Capriati. I think winning a slam then will be tougher, not easier, than now. I think Dokic's chances to come back and win a GS, while slim, are better than Dani's. Dokic is stronger than Dani mentally and also stronger physically.

JLDementieva
Sep 19th, 2004, 05:10 AM
Two years ago, I believed that Daniela will be winning a GS within a couple of years. But instead of improving, she hasn't gone the other way. If Daniela can go back to the way she was playing, I think she has a great chance to win. I also believe that her problem is mental, if she can get that out of the way, I would look for her to win in a couple of years.

Shane54
Sep 19th, 2004, 05:23 AM
maria just got lucky? i'd like to see someone else beat hantuchova, frazier, sugiyama, davenport, and serena williams all in a row... and in fact CRUSH serena williams, 2 time defending champ.
Thank you! Maria you are awesome!

~|Naomi|~
Sep 19th, 2004, 06:24 AM
Dokic got to SF(best GS result), but got thrashed by Davenport. Hantuchova got to QF and got beaten. Thats not really close enough to winning a slam.
Well prior to the US Open, Kuznetsova had only been to one QF and was thrashed by JHH, so that isn't really close enough either. But she has done it.
Both have the ability and potential however the slams should have more depth in them next year making it tougher, but they both could do it.

Sam L
Sep 19th, 2004, 08:56 AM
Maria just got lucky that's all. I have to watch Kuznetsova a little more to determine if she got lucky also. Dokic and Hantuchova I do not think they will ever win a slam. But that's just my opinion on Dokic and Hantuchova.
She's a lucky bitch. Let's see if she can back it up.

CooCooCachoo
Sep 19th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Dokic :rolleyes: No.

Rohin.
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Daniela can but she is at least a year away from making GS semi's quarters etc.. in regularity..

There should never be any doubt she has the talent and work ethic she just needs some mental stability and confidence.

*Karen*
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:11 AM
I think they are just as talented as Sharapova and Kuznetsova and they've both been ranked higher. I don't know if they'll ever get far enough in a slam. It's true to say though, that Maria and Svetlana hadn't been any further than Daniela and Jelena before they won there slams, so you never know.

bandabou
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:12 AM
nothing about this quote... "if Venus and Serena were half as good as some people think they are then they should be able to beat lucky players..."
says that they aren't as good as they once were. it merely states that people say that they aren't as good as they once were when in fact that may not be true. it could just be that the other players have caught up, which is definitely what i think the case is. serena went through early round wimbledon just as usual, and mauresmo played a tough match, and serena got through.
and about maria crushing serena, that's only impressive because she absolutely destroyed the 2 time defending champion in her first grand slam final appearance. it wouldn't have mattered who it was. serena wasn't as good (not nearly as good) as maria was that day. what was impressive about maria's win is that she had 5 wins in a row over tough players, the win against serena was no more important than the others. i never said that it was "the ultimate proof of how good Maria really is". show me where i said that...
the thing is, i can't believe you are defending someone who says "i'll only give credit to an opponent when she beats venus or serena at 100%", but in fact, great players win matches all the time when they aren't 100%, and everytime i've seen venus or serena lose, there's always a reason that follows which "indicates" how they weren't at 100%. so it's ridiculous. no one can ever beat them in some people's eyes.


So even when you go out and say Serena´s over the hill, she´s done....still a win over her is considered a major achievement?! Interesting...

aime
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Maria S got lucky winning Wimbledon this year, as for Sveta I think she'll do even better. I don't think Dani and Jelena will ever win a GS, don't get me wrong- Dani is one of my fav, her game is sometimes good but it's a long shoot ... a GS!
As for Jelena, I really like...her face, she's pretty!

Sam L
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Daniela can win a slam if she puts her mind to it. Physically she's getting there.

TennisVSTennis
Sep 20th, 2004, 03:51 AM
I think they are just as talented as Sharapova and Kuznetsova and they've both been ranked higher. I don't know if they'll ever get far enough in a slam. It's true to say though, that Maria and Svetlana hadn't been any further than Daniela and Jelena before they won there slams, so you never know.
I believe they are no less talented than Maria and Sveta as well.
Maria and Sveta never had noticable upsets like Daniela and Jelena did. And the commentators were a lot more hyped about Daniela and Jelena than they do with the pre-slam-win Maria and Sveta.
Jelena did get far reaching Wimbledon SF losing to Lindsay. And it's not the injured Lindsay Maria beat in her SF, it was the real Lindsay who won that Wimbledon a few days later.
And Daniela reached her first slam QF losing to the full-power Serena in Wimbledon, and once again, not the easy Serena Maria beat in her Wimbledon final. Hantuchova would have walked over that Serena and won Wimbledon too. And she lost again to Serena in US Open, and that's the invincible 02 edition of Serena she faced. If Maria and Svetalena were playing against the true 2002 form sisters in the slams, they have no chance winning slams.

vogus
Sep 20th, 2004, 05:45 AM
the people who think Hantuchova is going to win a slam are all seriously kidding themselves.

RatedR Superstar
Sep 20th, 2004, 06:27 AM
the people who think Hantuchova is going to win a slam are all seriously kidding themselves.

someday you will eat your words :(

Daniela have the talent, she was rank number 5 back then, but things just went ugly,if you were in her shoes you would have retire by now,..Daniela is on a comeback,if she could control her emotions, she will be in the top 10 again soon and she will win a GS!!!!

vutt
Sep 20th, 2004, 06:31 AM
Dani could not manage past QF in GSs even in her prime time.

And last but not least, Daniela have been in WTA finals only 3 times in her life with only ONE win...