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TennisVSTennis
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:36 PM
After playing since January, do you still consider her under-ranked?
She was last year skipping a large part of 2004, thus she fell out of top 10.
But this year coming back with 8 tournaments of special seeding, and having won 21 straight and a Tier I title, she has better records in some aspects than some of the top 10 player (Jennifer has no title this year), she is still out of top 10.

Even though I would give her a break and say like Mary Pierce, she has not been healthy for the whole year, but she is just plainly not up to par.
So I wouldnt call her under-ranked if she falls out of top 10 year end ranking.

JonBcn
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Jen's never won many titles - she's only got 14 to show for almost 15 years on the circuit. But as three of them are Grand Slams and one is an Olympics, I dont think you can count her out either.

I'd say that both of them deserve to be ranked where they are based on this years performances, but both are capable of much better.

vettipooh
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Tsk, tsk tsk.......all this obsession with Venus and Serena! let it go guys. Let's talk about something new!!! :rolleyes:

CJ07
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Venus is underranked in the sense that she is far better than a Top 15 ability, but her results suggest someone who is ranked 8-10

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:56 PM
Hmmm....her play at the majors have been dissapointing, but she did win a tier I and reached another final, sooo...

VW#1
Sep 18th, 2004, 06:59 PM
For someone who has played under par, virtually everyone in the top 10 has 5-7 tournaments more than either Williams Sister. It's been said time and time again, if the Sisters played as much as everybody else they'd easily be in the top 10. There are lots of people who are currently only in the top 10 because they play a lot of tournaments. I think if the players could only play 12 tournaments a year, including slams, I think the top 10 would be vastly different. Not their fault, but it is undeniable that if either Sister even at their current level played as much as everyone else they are easily in the top 10.

Infiniti2001
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Hmmm....her play at the majors have been dissapointing, but she did win a tier I and reached another final, sooo...

:tape: :rolleyes:

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:15 PM
:tape: :rolleyes:


:confused:

thelittlestelf
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Judging by her results this year, no she wouldn't be under-ranked.

Judging by her ability and past results, yes way under-ranked.

fammmmedspin
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:03 PM
For someone who has played under par, virtually everyone in the top 10 has 5-7 tournaments more than either Williams Sister. It's been said time and time again, if the Sisters played as much as everybody else they'd easily be in the top 10. There are lots of people who are currently only in the top 10 because they play a lot of tournaments. I think if the players could only play 12 tournaments a year, including slams, I think the top 10 would be vastly different. Not their fault, but it is undeniable that if either Sister even at their current level played as much as everyone else they are easily in the top 10.
Obviously if they are sick and don't play they don't get points. The idea that others play more to get ahead of them is pretty untenable though. You could argue that if the sisters played more they would do less well not least because they would injure themselves even more - but lets forget that argument. The facts say something different anyway. Venus has played 13 tournaments this year - Capriati and Henin have played fewer. Momo has played the same and Sharapova has played 14 as has Davenport. Myskina is only one ahead at 15. Myskina woud still have nearly twice Venus's points if she had played the same number of tournaments as Venus and Sharapova would still be ahead of her if Venus scored her average number of points equalling Sharapova's tournament total. You are running out of people in the top 10 venus might replace by this stage - Sveta and Serena have clearly done better too. You can be ranked in the top 10 by playing rarely but not if you don't do well enough when you do play.

Crazy_Fool
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Not under ranked at all, no. For her ability maybe, but its not about ability, its about results.

vogus
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:46 PM
if Venus finishes out of the Top 10 that will be really amazing considering that she was the most dominant player on the tour during the spring. It says a lot about how awful her results have been during the rest of the year.

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Just hasnīt produced the goods at the big ticket events....simple as that.

StarDuvallGrant
Sep 18th, 2004, 10:05 PM
Venus is underranked in the sense that she is far better than a Top 15 ability, but her results suggest someone who is ranked 8-10

Agreed.