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raquel
Sep 16th, 2004, 03:48 PM
I saw a thread on MensTennisForums about this. Roger Federer was number 1. Here are the top 20 Juniors at year end 1999. Most we know, but where are the rest? It just shows a junior top 20 is one thing but making it in the seniors is a big step.

SINGLES

1. Lina Krasnoroutskaya, Russia Injuries holding her back
2. Daniela Bedanova, Czech Rep Did well, but slumped majorly
3. Virginie Razzano, France Dropped out of top 100, but climbing back up
4. Aniko Kapros, Hungary Steadily climbing
5. Maria Emilia Salerni, Argentina Disappeared? Anyone know what Pitu is doing now?
6. Iroda Tulyaganova, Uzbekistan Injuries taking her out of the game for over a year. Any comeback talk?
7. Eleni Danilidou, Greece Consistent top 30, but no major breakthrough
8. Katarina Basternakova, Slovakia Who? Any news post 1999?
9. Lenka Dlhopolcova, Slovakia Again, what happened after 1999?
10. Ivana Abramovic, Croatia Top 10 junior, but no major senior success. Where is she now?
11. Lubormira Kurhajcova, Slovakia Top 100
12. Scarlett Werner, Germany Anything??
13. Ansley Cargill, USA Made top 100
14. Laura Granville, USA Made top 30, slumping this year
15. Hannah Collin, Great Britain She has really struggled in seniors. Playing British Futures this week
16. Gisela Dulko, Argentina In contrast, Dulko is in Bali QFs. Good 2004.
17. Michelle Gerards, Netherlands What is she doing now?
18. Melissa Dowse, Australia Anything?
19. Natalie Grandin, South Africa ????
20. Monique Adamczak, Austria Any news

A few top 20's in the seniors game but that's all. Dulko is looking good for the future. Lina K as well if she gets fit again. Anyone know what the less known girls are doing now?

DOUBLES

1. Daniela Bedanova, Czech Rep
2. Virginie Razzano, France
3. Flavia Penneta, Italy Flavia is doing well this year, won her first title
4. Maria Emilia Salerni, Argentina
5. Roberta Vinci, Italy Plays a lot of Challengers, good doubles player
6. Aniko Kapros, Hungary
7. Iroda Tulyaganova, Uzbekistan
8. Erica Krauth, Argentina Any news?
9. Katarina Basternakova, Slovakia Top 10 singles and doubles, but where is she now?
10. Natalie Grandin, South Africa
11. Sarah Stone, Australia ???
12. Aniela Mojzis, South Africa 2 South Africans in top 20 but now Amanda Coetzer has gone neither have filled the gap
13. Ansley Cargill, USA
14. Martina Babakova, Slovakia Recognise the name, any news?
15. Galina Fokina, Russia The Russians are all over the top 100, but where did Galina go?
16. Gisela Dulko, Argentina
17. Laura Granville, USA
18. Lubomira Kurhajcova, Slovakia
19. Lina Krasnoroutskaya, Russia
20. Eva Birnerova, Czech Rep

None of these juniors have really made it in the big time yet, so who do you think is most likely to break top 10 one day or have they already missed the boat 5 years after their juniors success?

Harju.
Sep 16th, 2004, 04:09 PM
Pitu is back at 25K Ashland this week. ;)

brunof
Sep 16th, 2004, 04:38 PM
Lenka Dlhopolcova I believed suffered from an eating disorder, but is planning on returning.

Although I have only gone to two challenger events I was lucky enough to see Nathalie Grandin of South Africa. I guess I wasn't aware she did well on the junior circuit. She is currently ranked inside the top 200, but I believe she is good enough to do much better, if she gets into better shape. She mixed up the ball well and had some decent shots making ability, but the extra weight she carries around isn't helping her cause.

*Karen*
Sep 16th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Many people who are junior age play on the main tour.

vogus
Sep 16th, 2004, 06:39 PM
I feel like the importance of ITF junior rankings is a bit overrated. Check the converse - how many of the current Top 50 players on the WTA Tour were never Top 20 in the ITF Juniors? I suspect at least half. That gives you something to think about. Just because you're a top ITF junior doesn't mean you'll make in on the tour. And just as importantly, just because you're NOT a top ITF junior, doesn't mean you WON'T make it on the tour.

©@®eLess
Sep 16th, 2004, 07:48 PM
1. Lina Krasnoroutskaya 109
2. Daniela Bedanova 387
3. Virginie Razzano 113
4. Aniko Kapros 65
5. Maria Emilia Salerni 204
6. Iroda Tulyaganova NR
7. Eleni Danilidou 30
8. Katarina Basternakova NR
9. Lenka Dlhopolcova NR
10. Ivana Abramovic 223
11. Lubormira Kurhajcova 70
12. Scarlett Werner 652
13. Ansley Cargill 205
14. Laura Granville 69
15. Hannah Collin 479
16. Gisela Dulko 35
17. Michelle Gerards 258
18. Melissa Dowse NR
19. Natalie Grandin 157
20. Monique Adamczak 306

This generation has a curse. What pathetic rankings!!!!!!!

ZAK
Sep 16th, 2004, 07:57 PM
I feel like the importance of ITF junior rankings is a bit overrated. Check the converse - how many of the current Top 50 players on the WTA Tour were never Top 20 in the ITF Juniors? I suspect at least half. That gives you something to think about. Just because you're a top ITF junior doesn't mean you'll make in on the tour. And just as importantly, just because you're NOT a top ITF junior, doesn't mean you WON'T make it on the tour.
I agree, but an interesting fact is that 8 of the top 10 (all except myskina and serena) WERE top 20 juniors

Joana
Sep 16th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Top juniors of 1999-2000 are a bit of a lost generation. However, top juniors 2001-2002 have done much, much better - Kuznetsova, Sharapova, Zvonareva, Golovin, Dulko, Bartoli, Jankovic, Kirilenko, Casanova, Harkleroad... Some are already GS winners and they all made to at least top 50.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 16th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Im surprised not a lot of them have done something minor or major on the tour except for exceptions in the list like dulko,daniilidou,krasnoroutskaya

Shenay La Soul
Sep 16th, 2004, 10:42 PM
I could see Kapros in the Top 15. I'm hoping it comes true because I am a fan.

Tripp
Sep 16th, 2004, 10:44 PM
Pitu came back this week at Ashland $25K, after a great beginning of the year (SF at a WTA and a final run in a 50K).
Erica Krauth is ranked 138 in the doubles ranking and she is rising. This week she is playing with Jasmin Woehr in $75K+H Bourdeaux, after losing in the first round of Qualies.

go hingis
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Eleni has been in a little slump this year and the end of last but I still think if she gets the confidence she's got the game.

cartmancop
Sep 17th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Did V&S ever play ITF Juniors, if so what were their results?

brunof
Sep 17th, 2004, 02:47 AM
I could see Kapros in the Top 15. I'm hoping it comes true because I am a fan.
Isn't Kapros the one that has a serve which rivals Dementieva?

Shame she never won in Quebec.

switz
Sep 17th, 2004, 02:57 AM
i remember dulko played in a junior world tournament in australia at my club - white city - it was her and salerni. i thought she must have been a different player when i saw her getting good results this and last year because she was not a very good junior at all. she was losing to players salerni was demolishing. salerni was by far the best player their but her game hasn't switch over to the women's tour well while gisela has really come on in leaps and bounds

Mr_Molik
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:11 AM
monique adamczak is australian not austrian :mad: and she is on the challenger circuit
great thread by the way :)

Elvira
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Dulko is by far the best out of all these players (except for maybe Krasnoroutskaya), and would be the first to make the top 20 out of them. Krasnoroutskaya has huge potential and should be at least top 20 long ago, but she has lots of injuries and now is getting married....

SelesFan70
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Bedanova was just way too skinny last time I saw her on TV. But she did have that odd win over Seles at the US Open... :(

SM
Sep 17th, 2004, 05:49 AM
yeah i remmeber watching salerni on tv in that juniors tournament :)...they showed the final is that where she played dulko? my memory of it is very vague

i think the abc broadcast it, a junior female tennis tournament isnt good for the ratings of the commericla broadcasters lol

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 17th, 2004, 07:30 AM
V&S never really played that much on the ITF Junior Tour...just like they don't play that much on the WTA Tour, but Papa Rich wanted to get them ready for the big time and not burn them out.

Brian Stewart
Sep 17th, 2004, 08:06 AM
I think it shows there is no direct correlation between junior and senior success. If you go back over the last 25 or 30 years, and just look at the top, say, 2 or 3 players from all of those years, you'd get very much a mixed bag. Some were very succesful pros, some moderately successful, and some with little to no success.

This issue was touched on during this summer's TV coverage (not sure if it was the USO, or earlier). The point they made was that a game which is successful in the juniors will not necessarily work in the seniors. In particular this applied to counterpunching. Someone who can run down a lot of balls, and keep it in play with consistent, loopy shots can be very successful in the juniors. This is because the bigger hitters usually haven't grown into their games (or their bodies). They can hit hard, but don't have the control or consistency they need. The handfull of big hitters who do develop consistency at an early age, turn pro at an early age.

Now, move on up to the pros, and you'll find the big hitters with the consistency to keep the rally going against the counterpunchers until they can seize the initiative. The whole situation has inverted. Whereas in the juniors, it was the power player making the early errors and growing increasingly frustrated, in the pros, it is the counterpunchers being pushed around the court until they tire physically and mentally.

It all depends on the individual player. Compare it to baseball. Some players tear up the minor leagues, dominating at A, AA, and AAA levels, putting up gaudy stats. Then they get to the majors, and can't hit their weight, simply because they can't adjust to the faster pace. Others have good, if unspectactular, minor league numbers, but become all-stars in the majors.

Some players can adjust to the pace of the game as they move up slowly, level by level, and can continue doing so up to the highest levels. Others have a certain barrier, beyond which they can't adjust. And likewise, each player has certain styles of opponents they find easier to play, and certain ones that give them fits. For some juniors, most of the top 100 pros fall into the latter category, and they can never make the transition.

And then there's the mental aspect. Some can't handle the pressure of competing for a livelihood. It's one thing to compete for nice junior trophies, it's quite another when you have to win to pay the bills; when your coaching and transportation costs are no longer covered by a national federation. Some players continually "play up" in the juniors, to give themselves a safety net in case of failure. When you get to the pros, this is it. There is no higher age group to protect your ego. You have just as much pressure as everyone else. In some cases, more. Some players are highly successful juniors, and get used to being in finals every week, and winning most. Now you're on a tour where the worst player you'll run into in a main draw is better than the best player you faced in juniors. Now you get a new experience: losing. Quite often. At least half your matches. It can do quite a number on the confidence in the early going. Some players never recover from this. Even worse, some grab a brief bit of early success, capitalizing on some nerve-wracked veterans, before they are hit with a reality check. "Hey, these players aren't so tough!" BOOM! Loss, loss, loss, loss, loss... yes, they are.

So, to quote emminent philosopher Yogi Berra. "You can sum it up in one word: 'you never know!'" We never know who's going to successfully adjust to the pro ranks and who won't, until they do (or don't). If you have any old tennis magazines, go back and look at some of the players touted in "players to watch out for" forecasts. You'll find the same mix over a period of years. Some were very successful, some moderately so, and some not so. That's why whenever some announcer laments the lack of Americans in the upper echelons of the junior rankings at any given moment, I don't get overly concerned.

TennisVSTennis
Sep 17th, 2004, 08:23 AM
I saw a thread on MensTennisForums about this. Roger Federer was number 1. Here are the top 20 Juniors at year end 1999. Most we know, but where are the rest? It just shows a junior top 20 is one thing but making it in the seniors is a big step.

Daja won a title in 2000. Lina on the other hand turned pro at 16, they did show talents.
It was not as bad as the 2000 juniors where an 18 year old Maria ended #1 of the year, and seeing how "under-achived" she is right now makes me worry about Flipkens.
It is always a big step to go pro, that's why many go into NCAA instead.
For a 17 year old #20 junior player to go pro, it almost means no future for the girl.
But juniors arent that important anyways, after all, there are those who excel without playing any pros.

broncosven
Sep 17th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Melissa Dowse played in Seniors for a couple years and from WC's reached the 2nd round of aussie opem twice but retired soon after at about age 22-23

had a high rank of high 300's

and like Mr Molik said Monique Adamzack is still around and her ranking is rising after being out for most of 2003 and parts of 2004

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Brian........ the juniors have come on alot since the old days
the competetion is of a pretty high standard and you dont get many moonballers.

Most of these girls hit the crap out of the ball and thats how they all play
soon most of these will progress onto the WTA tour
and when they do the standard of the WTA will be alot, lot higher

thats why these days these kids been pushing the top players (see US Open this yr).


1999 has been an unfortunate yr
Eleni, Daja, Iroda all made top 20 and slipped back a little in case of Eleni (but for Iroda and Daja is been horrible in contrasting circumstances)
Lina had a good yr in 2001, then injury sent her back towards 200, 2003 she picked up again and was top 25 start of this yr and again more injuries and illness sends her out of top 100 again :(

Gisela Dulko was one of the new kids in 1999 jrs, her junior time was more in 2000 and 2001, even then she wasn't a major brightlight, but a pretty steady player.

Scarlett Werner played Fed Cup 2-3 yrs ago for Germany but i think she has now quit.
Basternakova rtd shortly after finishing jrs

Experimentee
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:22 PM
Why would anyone retire straight after playing juniors? Was she injured?

Helen Lawson
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:57 PM
It's the same with the Oscars. In the 30's, they gave out child Oscars for outstanding child performance. Most flopped as adults. We had Judy Garland who won a child Oscar for The Wizard of Oz. Though she never won a real Oscar, she became legendary. Shirley Temple won another child Oscar, she was brilliant as a child, a huge box office draw, but her acting career as a teen and adult was nothing to write home about. Most of the other child Oscar winners never did anything, so they discontinued the award.

Daniel
Sep 17th, 2004, 11:45 PM
Dulko shoulds finish 2004 with a good ranking maybe top 30. if not still good season for her so far :)

darrinbaker00
Sep 18th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Did V&S ever play ITF Juniors, if so what were their results?
Venus was 63-0 in USTA Southern California sectional play, but she and Serena never played any international junior events.

Gowza
Sep 18th, 2004, 02:13 AM
razzano did get injured and is on the comeback. lenka d, eating disorder but back on the comeback. lina, injuries plus wedding.

Slumpsova
Sep 18th, 2004, 08:56 AM
it's shame that none of them dominating the tour these days :sad: .