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Volcana
Sep 16th, 2004, 02:35 AM
We know why American Blacks vote 90% Democratic.

The Republican Party is the Conservative Party in the USA now.
And American Blacks share so many of our values. The centrality of faith. A distrust in government grown too large. A belief in the importance of education.

Why are you not with us? We know.

As George Bush often says, 'we will no tolerate terrorists, and those who support them'. So we know why you don't support us, despite the fact that our values are so similar. American Conservatism was, for much of the last century and a half, a movement that included 'terrorists, and those who support them'.


Where we did not actively participate, we condoned.
Where we did not condoned, we 'understood'.
And, in the vast majority of cases, we did NOT push to find the terrorists, arrest the terrorists and jail the terrorists.
We, at best, stood by, 'understanding the terrorists, while they killed your children, for a hundred years. When you tried to defend yourselves, we jailed and killed you, and made speeches about 'Blacks preying on whites' and ads about 'Willie Horton', when you tried to defend yourselves.


We understand that American Conservatism has a lot to answer for and a lot to prove, where American Blacks were concerned. For most of the past 150 years, we were NOT the party of Law and Order. We were the party of Lawlessness and Terrorism. We don't ask you to support us now. All we ask is that you watch us, as we ACTIVELY attempt to redress the wrongs we've done. Those terrorists still living, we will find, arrest and prosecute. Those elected officials, and the police officers, who collaborated with the terrorists, will also be found, arrested and jailed. Where those terrorists and collaborators are deceased, their names and their crimes will not only be made public, they will be PUBLICIZED. We understand that American Blacks would be fools to take us at our word when we say, 'We aren't terrorists anymore'. We've said it so many times. So, I say to you, my fellow Americans, DON'T believe us. WATCH us. Watch us PROVE ourselves to you. We understand that the burden of proof lies on us.

Dana Marcy
Sep 16th, 2004, 03:29 PM
Tell me something I don't already know. LOL :angel:

OUT!
Sep 16th, 2004, 03:37 PM
The small print hurts my eyes. I read the first line so maybe the Conservatives are catering to the other 10%. It's not a crime for a black person to be conservative (is it?, lol). In fact, political diversity within a social groups can be a positive thing. But like I said, cannot comment until print is a bit larger.

"Sluggy"
Sep 16th, 2004, 03:39 PM
Its too small to read volcana, can you clean it up a bit?

Volcana
Sep 16th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Its too small to read volcana, can you clean it up a bit?Fascinating. On my PC, that shows as stanard size print. I changed the font from New Times Roman to Verdana increased the font size. How is it now?

*JR*
Sep 16th, 2004, 09:02 PM
Fascinating. On my PC, that shows as stanard size print. I changed the font from New Times Roman to Verdana increased the font size. How is it now?RU the one who created those 30+ y.o. memo's from dubya's National Guard CO that CBS is still trying to figure out? :lol:

Volcana
Sep 17th, 2004, 03:12 AM
RU the one who created those 30+ y.o. memo's from dubya's National Guard CO that CBS is still trying to figure out? :lol:I wish. But I would have gotten the font right.

ico4498
Sep 17th, 2004, 03:44 AM
All we ask is that you watch us, as we ACTIVELY attempt to redress the wrongs we've done. Those terrorists still living, we will find, arrest and prosecute. Those elected officials, and the police officers, who collaborated with the terrorists, will also be found, arrested and jailed. We understand that the burden of proof lies on us. funny stuff. whats the source, comedy central?

Volcana
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:36 AM
funny stuff. whats the source, comedy central?I'm appalled that you could doubt the sincerity of the American Conservative movement. Next you'll be calling the War on Terror itself a farce. The problem is, people like you hate America.:fiery:

Infiniti2001
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Hopefully, not too many people are stupid enoiugh to fall for that load of doo doo. A distrust of government grown too large? Let's see: WHO has the largest deficit of history? The Republicans babble on about how bad terrorism is but they have done exactly ZERO to make this country safer. In fact, I can think of about ten things at least they've done to make us LESS safe. Let's hope John Kerry mentions them in the debates. :fiery:

Volcana
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
Hopefully, not too many people are stupid enoiugh to fall for that load of doo doo. A distrust of government grown too large? Let's see: WHO has the largest deficit of history? The Republicans babble on about how bad terrorism is but they have done exactly ZERO to make this country safer. In fact, I can think of about ten things at least they've done to make us LESS safe. Let's hope John Kerry mentions them in the debates. :fiery:There is a considerable difference between 'Traditional Conservative Values' and the 'Neo-Con' values of the Bush administration.

Richard Nixon started the EPA, for example.

American Blacks a very conservative on a wide range of issues.

Most oppose abortion.
Most oppose gay marriage.
Most favor religion being involved with government.
Most favor men being the (public) head of the family.
Most favor a strong military.

The one area where Amrican Conservatives and American Blacks differ is on how America treats Blacks. American Blacks favor American Blacks voting more. American Conservatives are actively involved in suppresing Black voter turnout. American Blacks favor a strong American Black political leadership. American Conservatives have been actively involved in murdering members of the American Black political leadership. American Blacks favor government programs to offset white privilege in American society, American Conservatives oppose government programs to offset white privilege in American society.

Take race off the table, and American Blacks would BE American Conservatives. That's one reason why Conservatives keep saying things like 'you're playing the race card'. Well guess what, race is one of the most significant issues in the United States, and one that most determines your opportunities in life. It's an issue that needs to be raised over and over and over. If you want to differ with me on how to address it, fine. But anyone suggesting that it need not be talked about is just sacrificing their own credibility.

tennisjam
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:53 PM
Politics... :rolleyes:

Sam L
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
American Conservatives don't like blacks. That's fact.

Sam L
Sep 17th, 2004, 01:06 PM
We know why American Blacks vote 90% Democratic.
And that other 10% thinks they're white. Condi, Powell. :tape:

*JR*
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:08 PM
American Conservatives have been actively involved in murdering members of the American Black political leadership.What??? (And the racist St. Louis businessman who "put out a contract" on Martin Luther King for example was probably a Klan type, not a "mainstream conservative").

Sam L
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:25 PM
What??? (And the racist St. Louis businessman who "put out a contract" on Martin Luther King for example was probably a Klan type, not a "mainstream conservative").
I think they're the same.

*JR*
Sep 17th, 2004, 06:23 PM
I think they're the same.UR confusing "result with intent" here. You can make a reasonable case (which is fair game for debate, of course) that conservative policies are bad for minorities. But unless that's the intent of such policies, its not true racism.

CJ07
Sep 17th, 2004, 06:48 PM
And that other 10% thinks they're white. Condi, Powell. :tape:
:rolleyes:

I honestly think Black people mostly only vote Democratic because of the Civil Rights Act. I'd be suprised if 50% even stopped and listen to what the Republicans have to say

Volcana
Sep 19th, 2004, 10:51 PM
What??? (And the racist St. Louis businessman who "put out a contract" on Martin Luther King for example was probably a Klan type, not a "mainstream conservative").I was actually referring to several hundred (recorded lynchings and church bombings. And yes, those would be 'mainstream' conservatives. Lynchings used to be advertised. People put ontheir Sunday best to go watch Blacks be burnt at the stake. I actually posted a whole thread about this, with pictures, a couple months ago.

Go to google and type in 'lynching'. There's a LOT of literature on the subject. There used to be a photo essay called 'Without Sanctuary' available for internet viewing. You'd have to buy that now. It's available through Amazon for about 40 bucks.

I'll try to find my old thread.

*JR*
Sep 19th, 2004, 11:16 PM
I was actually referring to several hundred (recorded lynchings and church bombings. And yes, those would be 'mainstream' conservatives..... Very out of context. Mainstream conservatives haven't been in this category for decades, much as I disagree with them on various issues.

Stamp Paid
Sep 20th, 2004, 01:32 AM
:rolleyes:

I honestly think Black people mostly only vote Democratic because of the Civil Rights Act. I'd be suprised if 50% even stopped and listen to what the Republicans have to say
Why would the Civil Rights Act make blacks vote Democratic? The Civil Rights Act was pushed and passed by the Republican-led Congress in the 60s.

Blacks vote Democratic because of the Democrats' social and economic policies, the state of the black community during Reagan's Republican administration, and because Republicans have never (until recently) reached out for the Black vote, and have rarely been behind issues that affect Blacks directly.

Its not that black people are just ignorant of the Republican's message, so they vote democratic. If you would think that not even 50% of blacks stop daily and listen to the Republicans, then YOU'RE the ignorant one.http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/tape.gif

Volcana
Sep 20th, 2004, 02:55 AM
Very out of context. Mainstream conservatives haven't been in this category for decades, much as I disagree with them on various issues.COMPLETELY in context. An awful lot of Black voters have been ALIVE for decades, including me. And many of us have living parents, as I do. And of course, many American conservatives have been alive for decades. And the murderers are, in many cases, still alive and well, if elderly. The church bombers, and those who plotted with them and funded them, are in many cases alive and well.

I want those people in prison.

A 20 year old who bombed a church in 1964 may be a 60 year old now, but he's still a criminal who's never paid for his crimes. We don't forget, and we don't forgive, any more the the Jews forgive the Nazis.

Further, the same people who murdered, who bombed churches, are the same people, or are supported by the same people, who practice housing and job discrimination and voter supression. Lynchin and murdering were pure and simple terrorism. And the people today who protect those who commintted those acts support terrorists, pure and simple. Call me 100 years from now, and I'll concede all those terrorists are now dead.

But almost half a million Blacks across this country didn't get disenfranchised last election by a disinterested party. They got disenfranchised by MAINSTREAM conservatives.

American Conservatives need to EXPOSE, and CONDEMN, and where possible PROSECUTE the terrorists who were so firmly a part of their movement. "We don't do that anymore' isn't good enough. American Blacks don't trust you , and have very, very good reason not to trust you. Youmay have heard of the 'Mississippi Burning' trial. Well, inthe search for the bodies, the FBI found seven OTHER murdered Blacks. Nobody was ever prosecuted for those murders. Recorded lynchings were occurring up to almost when Nixon was elected, almost all without anyone ever being charged.

We know who our enemies are. It's not like they ever bothered to hide their political affiliation.

*JR*
Sep 20th, 2004, 11:54 AM
Volcana, I totally agree about the need for justice, however belated (as with Byron be la Beckwith, convicted in his final years for killing Medgar Evers 30+ years earlier). But the Klan were mainly "good ole' boys" who who worked in factories, farms, stores, auto-repair shops, etc. (Not the "Country Club set").

Look @ the George Wallace campaign of 1968 and you'll see that it appeared rather populist on economics. These folks viewed themselves as "champions of the working class" (and one of their issues going back @ least to the 30's was "preventing competition from cheap Negro labor").

And LBJ relied heavily on Senate Republican leader Everett Dirksen's yes, mainstream conservatives, to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. The old (southern) Democratic warhorses like Stennis, Sparkman, Eastland, Russell, etc. wanted no part of it.

Volcana
Sep 22nd, 2004, 03:21 AM
Volcana, I totally agree about the need for justice, however belated (as with Byron be la Beckwith, convicted in his final years for killing Medgar Evers 30+ years earlier). But the Klan were mainly "good ole' boys" who who worked in factories, farms, stores, auto-repair shops, etc. (Not the "Country Club set").The Klan had more than it's share of the wealthy as well, including several Senators and Congressmen and state officials. It was an organization that crossed social lines. White socila lines that is.(One of thier victims mother won almost alll of their belonging in a lawsuit a few years back. Included in that were membership lists.) As for 'justice', I think that's out of reach. But I want names. And I want those names attached to crimes. And I want the names of the people who protected those criminals. Public 'shaming' isn't nearly as good as life imprisonment, but ya gotta be pragmatic.Look @ the George Wallace campaign of 1968 and you'll see that it appeared rather populist on economics. These folks viewed themselves as "champions of the working class" (and one of their issues going back @ least to the 30's was "preventing competition from cheap Negro labor").It WAS populist on economics. WHITE populist. The fact that Blacks were citizens deserving of equal protection under the law and equal economic opportunity was defintiely something he ran AGAINST.And LBJ relied heavily on Senate Republican leader Everett Dirksen's yes, mainstream conservatives, to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. The old (southern) Democratic warhorses like Stennis, Sparkman, Eastland, Russell, etc. wanted no part of it.Everett Dirksen was NOT a Conservative. And, if you follow the link provided (http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/iht319648.html), you'll read a run down of exactly how he handled the Conservatives in order to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He had gather the votes necessary to overcome a filibuster that REPUBLICAN Conservatives supported just as DEMOCRATIC Conservatives had. His support came from Republican and Democratic moderates and liberals. You'll note I specified 'Conservatives', NOT 'Republicans'. Republicans used to run the spectrum from Liberal to Conservative, as did Democrats.

Conservatives were nearly united, across party lines, in their opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965.