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John.
Sep 15th, 2004, 03:45 PM
One of the best players of the early 90's not to win a slam.

After her heroics against Sabatini in the Quarters of the 93 French and then the easy win over Arantxa in the semis, it seemed fate was finally smiling on her. But Graf, too good in the final set.

Steffica Greles
Sep 15th, 2004, 03:52 PM
Completely, and it's a shame she didn't play into her 30s. She disappeared from the tour at the end of 1999 when it looked like she was still capable of beating anybody.

A lot of respect for Mary Jo. Played intelligent tennis and was nervy, but tough.

miranda_lou
Sep 15th, 2004, 04:16 PM
GOOD LORD!!! I thought Mary Jo had died or something.:eek: I don't like the title of this thread.:tape:

Mary Jo retired at the right moment. There was no way she could win against the new crop of players. The girl was good but she was no Steffi Graf.:angel: I do wish she had won a major though.:rolleyes: I rooted for her in the FO final against Steffi (even though I love Steffi) because I wanted Mary Jo to win a Slam. She played brilliantly but fell shot in the end.:kiss: :hearts:

*JR*
Sep 15th, 2004, 04:21 PM
Mary Joe (yes, with an e) ;) is now married to Monica's IMG agent, Tony Godsick.

the cat
Sep 15th, 2004, 04:23 PM
You scared me with the title of this thread! :eek:

TimBo
Sep 15th, 2004, 04:43 PM
She was a really smart player. The top players really hated to see her in their half of a draw coz at moments she played soo well.

buscemi
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:06 PM
The best match I ever saw Mary Joe play was against Seles in the SF of the '91 Australian Open. Monica came out on fire, as usual, and she took the 1st set from Mary Joe 6-3 (I think). Then, Mary Joe played the best set of tennis I have ever seen her play, and she steamrolled through Monica 6-0 in the 2nd set. The final set was a very tense affair with both women playing graet. Monica eventually won 9-7 in the 3rd set, but not before saving a match point. Monica then went on to win the F against Novotna pretty easily, starting her great GS run.

Loughyunijen
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:41 PM
guys....does anybody know what the story was behind davenport and mary joe'e big bust up was?? I heard they were great mates, but know i read they are just "ok" something happened and i dont know what, or who's fault it was?

Can anyone shed some light?

buscemi
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:44 PM
guys....does anybody know what the story was behind davenport and mary joe'e big bust up was?? I heard they were great mates, but know i read they are just "ok" something happened and i dont know what, or who's fault it was?

Can anyone shed some light?

From what I remember, they were doubles partners. Lindsay got word that Mary Joe was reducing her match play and thus decided to switch doubles partners. The only problem is that she apparently didn't tell this to Mary Joe. Mary Joe I think said that she read about Lindsay's decision in the paper or something and was angry about it. Maybe someone remembers better than I do.

Loughyunijen
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:47 PM
From what I remember, they were doubles partners. Lindsay got word that Mary Joe was reducing her match play and thus decided to switch doubles partners. The only problem is that she apparently didn't tell this to Mary Joe. Mary Joe I think said that she read about Lindsay's decision in the paper or something and was angry about it. Maybe someone remembers better than I do.


ahh its just i heard an interview sayig they were detting back on track...so to speak...so i thought it must have been something terrible!

I wonder why lindsay just didnt ring her and tell her!?? strange!

Pamela Shriver
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Remembering Mary Jo
NAh, I'm still trying to forget her.

miranda_lou
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:32 PM
(yes, with an e) http://wtaworld.com/ubb/wink.gif is now married to Monica's IMG agent, Tony Godsick.
I think we all know she's married, has one child and is expecting (or just had) her second child with Godsick.:angel: But thanks for telling us.:rolleyes:

Mary Joe
Actually, it's Maria Jose!!!

Wenddy
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:33 PM
She's not dead. Change that title.

fluffydreamcloud
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:46 PM
I never really saw her at her best. I remember watching her against Steffi at OZ in 1999 (correct me if I'm wrong!) and Steffi just won 6-4 final set (she went onto lose to Monica in the QF in a great match!) Still I was really impressed and could see how she could be dangerous when she was younger.

lizchris
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:50 PM
This is a very ridiculous and stupid thread. It makes it seems as if Mary Joe, who is expecting a baby any day now, died when she has not and thought I don't care for her as an analyst, this is very insensitive to her fans who will look at the title of this thread and come to the same conclusion I did.:fiery: :mad:

cellophane
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:05 PM
I was so :mad: when she got injured in the '99 US Open match with Venus after totally dominating her in the 1st set and then meekly lost the next two. :mad: :sad: She was on track to win that match... and after that it was all done.

buscemi
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:07 PM
I was so :mad: when she got injured in the '99 US Open match with Venus after totally dominating her in the 1st set and then meekly lost the next two. :mad: :sad: She was on track to win that match... and after that it was all done.

Yeah, that sucked. Wasn't it raining, she wanted play halted, the chair refused, and the she slipped on the wet surface and got injured?

cellophane
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Yeah, that sucked. Wasn't it raining, she wanted play halted, the chair refused, and the she slipped on the wet surface and got injured?
Yep, that's exactly what happened. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :sad:

buscemi
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Yep, that's exactly what happened. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :sad:

Yeah, and she never won another match in her career, right? That was really too bad.

cellophane
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Yeah, and she never won another match in her career, right? That was really too bad.
Yep, that's why I am so pissed. I am not too sure if this was her last match, I think she did play a couple of tournaments after that - just checked, yes she played Fildersadt that year and lost as a wild card to Dechy and then made a 1 tournament comeback next fall in Shanghai. It sucks even more, because she was playing awesome at the time; and that was a big match against Venus in the 4th round, so, of course, nobody knows how much further she could have gone in that draw. I am not sure if she made any official announcement about her retirement though.

tommystar
Sep 15th, 2004, 09:35 PM
Hi!

I've found this at the itf-database! :eek:

FERNANDEZ, Mary-Joe (USA)

Shanghai China, P.R.
WT 14 Oct 2000 to 22 Oct 2000 Entry : WC Hard (O)
32 L Tamarine TANASUGARN (THA) 5-7 4-6

Is it true, or some mistyping?

spencercarlos
Sep 15th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Hi!

I've found this at the itf-database! :eek:

FERNANDEZ, Mary-Joe (USA)

Shanghai China, P.R.
WT 14 Oct 2000 to 22 Oct 2000 Entry : WC Hard (O)
32 L Tamarine TANASUGARN (THA) 5-7 4-6

Is it true, or some mistyping?
True

William Hunt
Sep 15th, 2004, 11:04 PM
Oh , Mary-Joe Fernandez, how I miss her : I was a huge fan of her at the time, she was one of my favourites and she won an olympic gold.

Unfortunately she was involved in a drugs scandal, testing positive just befor Barcelona '92 for pseudoephedrine, it blew me away when I heard the news.

In that same period Carl Lewis, Joe De Loach (200 mt. gold medal in Seoul), Andre Philips (400 m. hurdles) and soccer player Alexi Lalas all tested positive, but it was covered up and discovered much later, after the Olympics. This drug scandal that involved several famous American athletes, including Mary-Joe, put sport in a bad spotlight at the time. Unfortunately it also destroyed part of Mary-Joe's reputation. I still like her and miss her though.

I doubt that she could have been competitive with the current players, but I guess we will never know, at the time she was certainly a very talented player.

xcrtbckhnd
Sep 15th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Mary Joe is still one my favorite all-time players. Classic form on both sides, but her forehand was just perfect - both her shots were featured in Tennis Magazine at different times. That match against Venus was very sad, but I also remember even better her win against Serena at the FO where she handed Serena her only 6-0 set in a WTA tour singles event - this record still stands! Then MJ went and played doubles, got injured and withdrew before her next singles match! So tragic. I miss her on the tour a ton, but at least we still get to hear her in the commentary booth. She has a fabulous life now with a house in Key Biscayne and I think now she also has a house somewhere else with Tony (Detroit or somewhere?). She seems really happy with her life. For me, she was one of the classiest players ever. Gracious in winning and defeat. Somewhat of a Chris Evert clone, but Chrissie is another of my favorites too, so no problem there.

xcrtbckhnd
Sep 15th, 2004, 11:36 PM
Oh yeah, and does anyone else remember how cute MJ was with her superstition to never step on a line between points? She always had to skip over the lines after a point. It was so funny!

Albireo
Sep 15th, 2004, 11:44 PM
Oh , Mary-Joe Fernandez, how I miss her : I was a huge fan of her at the time, she was one of my favourites and she won an olympic gold.

IIRC, she won two golds in doubles with Gigi and, I think, a bronze in singles in '92.

Unfortunately she was involved in a drugs scandal, testing positive just befor Barcelona '92 for pseudoephedrine, it blew me away when I heard the news.

In that same period Carl Lewis, Joe De Loach (200 mt. gold medal in Seoul), Andre Philips (400 m. hurdles) and soccer player Alexi Lalas all tested positive, but it was covered up and discovered much later, after the Olympics. This drug scandal that involved several famous American athletes, including Mary-Joe, put sport in a bad spotlight at the time. Unfortunately it also destroyed part of Mary-Joe's reputation. I still like her and miss her though.

The "scandal" involving Fernandez was a total non-issue and shouldn't be held against her; she was completely cleared of any wrongdoing in the matter.

I doubt that she could have been competitive with the current players, but I guess we will never know, at the time she was certainly a very talented player.

Wertheim considers her the most talented player not to have won a Slam. While I don't entirely agree-- I think, say, Judith Weisner had more talent than Fernandez-- it's a shame she didn't manage to win one of the three Slam finals she was in. Had she beaten Seles in that Oz SF, she would likely have beaten Novotna in the final. But that's all "coulda, woulda, shoulda" at this point. In the end, her brittleness was her undoing.

xcrtbckhnd
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:10 AM
One gold, one bronze. MJ competed in only one Olympics I believe.

Mattographer
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Actually, she competed two Olympics in Barcelona and Atlanta and won two gold medals for doubles with Gigi Fernandez and one bronze medal from singles in Barcelona.

rhz
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:26 AM
One gold, one bronze. MJ competed in only one Olympics I believe.
No, she won 2 golds and 1 bronze. She played in both the 92 and the 96 games.

She should have won 4 medals, unfortunately, she lost to Novotna for the bronzze Medal match in Atlanta.

xcrtbckhnd
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:28 AM
Thanks for the correction. I should have known that! 2-time gold medalist Mary Joe Fernandez!!! Sounds nice, doesn't it!?!?! Even with no Grand Slams, she always has that achievement to be proud of.

rhz
Sep 16th, 2004, 02:55 AM
Thanks for the correction. I should have known that! 2-time gold medalist Mary Joe Fernandez!!! Sounds nice, doesn't it!?!?! Even with no Grand Slams, she always has that achievement to be proud of.
wrong again, she did win a few grand slam titles. although they were doubles!

one with Fendick, and i think she won a couple with Davenport!

plus she was a 3 time grand slam finalists

Gandalf
Sep 16th, 2004, 07:24 AM
I used to like Mary Joe's style of play when she decided to play aggresively, but sometimes she just sent the ball back with no risk at all (like at the AO'97), and it was incredibly boring to watch. But when she decided to take more risks (like against Monica in FO'97, or at the Olympics'96) she was a joy to watch.

This said, although she could have won more, she had some serious flaws in her game: the serve was just OK, the overheads were horrendous, and the volleys were nothing spectacular. And she never really bulked up in order to have more endurance. Of course, she compensated this with a great forehand and backhand.

She got really unlucky in '99, and I think she could have gone on for a couple of seasons.

But I will never forgive her for beating Gaby at the French Open in '93.

tommystar
Sep 16th, 2004, 10:14 AM
True

Thank you! I still wondering why it wasn't a bigger news Mary Joe on tennis court again!! :shrug:

irma
Sep 16th, 2004, 10:20 AM
Mary Joe was working on her body and strength in 93 though but then she got sick and was out for a while (I think she had surgery too). She still had some good results afterwards, but maybe less consistent!

rhz
Sep 16th, 2004, 11:48 AM
She's my all time favourite. I think her career had been like Mauresmo in singles, where both could have done better if only they are not injured all the time.

geojango
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:44 PM
chi-chi rodriguez

Albireo
Sep 16th, 2004, 02:34 PM
This said, although she could have won more, she had some serious flaws in her game: the serve was just OK, the overheads were horrendous, and the volleys were nothing spectacular. And she never really bulked up in order to have more endurance. Of course, she compensated this with a great forehand and backhand.

MJF missed more easy overheads than any player I've ever seen. You just knew when she was waiting for a short defensive lob to come down that she was going to dump it into the net.

Fernandez' best weapon throughout her career was her brain; it's the primary reason she managed to stay in the game when the Big Babes took over. She didn't have Hingis' instinctual "feel" for the game, but she could make adjustments, during a point or throughout a whole match, better than anyone in the game throughout most of her career.



But I will never forgive her for beating Gaby at the French Open in '93.

It's amazing, in retrospect, how well-played that match was from 6-1, 5-1 Sabatini. Yes, Sabatini choked like a dog on several occasions, but Fernandez still had to play her best to get back into it, and their play was often of tremendous quality. Everyone thought MJF would be toast against ASV in the semis, and she played one of the best matches of her career to win it easily.

Like a lot of people at the time, I was absolutely sure that MJF would win that tournament after the semifinal match she played. I think she was even convinced of that herself (it didn't help that Carillo kept harping on the comparisons with Michael Chang's '89 run to the title). But as Elena Dementieva just found out, no-one is destined to win anything, no matter how much they seem to deserve to win. And Fernandez never really recovered from losing that squeaker to Graf-- IIRC she never did beat Graf, not even once-- just as Sabatini never recovered from losing to Graf at Wimbledon in '91, and never really recovered from losing to MJF at Roland Garros.

John.
Sep 16th, 2004, 02:59 PM
It would appear I have upset a few people with the title of this thread, and for that I apologise. :bowdown:

Dana Marcy
Sep 16th, 2004, 03:02 PM
One of the best players of the early 90's not to win a slam.

After her heroics against Sabatini in the Quarters of the 93 French and then the easy win over Arantxa in the semis, it seemed fate was finally smiling on her. But Graf, too good in the final set.

Sorry but I don't know if I would call that heroics because Gaby's choking big time helped Mary Joe come back. Also wasn't Mary Joe up 4-2 in the final against Steffi?

Kart
Sep 16th, 2004, 06:27 PM
I liked Mary Joe.

She was the queen of shock results - she took out a lot of big names when they were playing their best.

There's a strange gap in my memory around May 1993 and I can't remember what her form was like that month but aside from that I enjoyed watching her.