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alfonsojose
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:02 PM
When Kim got it in 2003, they showed a lot of links, pictures. There's no mention at all now, Why? :mad:

www.wtatour.com

Josefina
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:10 PM
I don`t know what happens, but she`s already THERE !

Cur Prv Name/Country Rank Pts Qual Pts Tours
1 (2) MAURESMO, AMELIE FRA
4527.00 1480.00 18
2 (3) MYSKINA, ANASTASIA RUS
4155.00 1491.00 20
3 (4) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY USA
4057.00 1385.00 15
4 (1) HENIN-HARDENNE, JUSTINE BEL
4004.00 1309.00 13
5 (6) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS
3368.00 1289.00 22
6 (9) KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS
3014.25 1101.00 21
7 (5) CLIJSTERS, KIM BEL
2815.00 837.00 10
8 (8) CAPRIATI, JENNIFER USA
2598.00 1004.00 14
9 (7) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS
2570.00 783.00 18
10 (11) WILLIAMS, SERENA USA
2273.00 730.00 9

Spunky83
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:12 PM
"Ups! Seems like we´ve forgotten something...";)

aliceb
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Yeh, I thought that was strange as well, it's already been updated today, what with the results from Bali, but nothing about the new no 1

hablo
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:56 PM
It's sort of a diss towards Momo and that's not fair. :o

The WTA created the rankings to have the number one be the most consistent and she reflects that. :bounce: :lol:

They have got to decide what they want!! A player who gets number one by winning slams and tier I, or a number one who wins more tournaments, whether it be Tier one, tier two, slams, etc.

You know that the system they have now satisfies them in the sense that they want the top girls to show up to every tournament and they want to make tons of money. . . ;) :lol: :lol:

If they want the number one to reflect who has achieved the most, then there are gonna have to get their priorities right!!! No need to diss Momo cause their priority is to make the girls play a gazillion tournaments, only to have them injured and then complain about the lack of depth. . . blah blah blah. . . :eek: :rolleyes:

alfonsojose
Sep 13th, 2004, 08:47 PM
If they don't like the system, change it. But Amelie is the no. 1 and i think she deserve more

treufreund
Sep 13th, 2004, 09:56 PM
This is very shameful and insulting. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :( :( :( :(

griffin
Sep 13th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Makes them look like weenies, too, imo.

"Ack! Being criticized! Must ignore issue so it will go away!"

Not the first time they've let one of the players twist in the wind, and it probably won't be the last.

ys
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:43 PM
They are just embarrassed of this obvious ranking disaster.. They should have just declared that there is no deserving #1 at this time..

MinnyGophers
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:46 PM
this is just outrageous. They are discrediting and totally disrespectful of Mauresmo, when it is not even her fault. Fuck them.
That is not fair to her, and I hope they get even more criticized for that.
She got to number 1 by THEIR system, and the least they can do is to acknowledge that she is.
i'm very angry and bitter right now. should i continue? I just feel she was robbed. They must be temporarily insane.

ys
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:49 PM
She got to number 1 by THEIR system, and the least they can do is to acknowledge that she is.
They will acknowledge it. They will be seeding her above everyone else for some while.

But putting her on the same list as 14 previous greats is something they should not do. She is not in their league. Calling her a top-ranked player is enough honour.

darrinbaker00
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:53 PM
I make no bones about the fact that I don't care for Mauresmo too much, but the WTA Tour dissing her like that is as wrong as a three-dollar bill. It reminds me of the WNBA: they know they have gay players and gay fans, but they refuse to acknowledge their existence. Make no mistake about it, ladies and gentlemen, Mauresmo's sexual preference has almost everything to do with it.

Rocketta
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:54 PM
Ok, doesn't the #1 get a picture with a funky floral #1 and stuff? :confused:

If so, is that what everyone is upset might not have happened? Maybe the web master is just slow and hasn't got it up? I hope that's it.

If that's not it then yeah they need to be ashamed of themselves. It's not for them to decide who's deserving or an exciting #1 it's just up to them to treat everyone the same. :(

ys
Sep 13th, 2004, 11:59 PM
Make no mistake about it, ladies and gentlemen, Mauresmo's sexual preference has almost everything to do with it.
:haha:, :rolls: Inferiority complex... Paranoya.. Any other names? :haha:


Honestly, I do not expect them to change ranking systerm. What I expect them to do is to separate the concept of "top-ranked player" and the concept of "#1 player in the world" ( which would require both being "top-ranked" and Slam success ), turning the former into historically insignificant and making the latter a special honour and special record list. They could make that change like tomorrow and apply it right away.. That's what I would do..

MinnyGophers
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:00 AM
Ok, doesn't the #1 get a picture with a funky floral #1 and stuff? :confused:

If so, is that what everyone is upset might not have happened? Maybe the web master is just slow and hasn't got it up? I hope that's it.

If that's not it then yeah they need to be ashamed of themselves. It's not for them to decide who's deserving or an exciting #1 it's just up to them to treat everyone the same. :(

everybody and their mothers knew that Mauresmo would be number 1 when Lindsay lost.
I really believe that the WTA is doing it on purpose to keep in under wrap.
Why? No idea.
But it's fucking outrageous. It's not even a matter of if she deserves it or not. It's a matter that she is the NEW NUMBER 1, so they can at least acknwledge and show it pubicly.

darrinbaker00
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:10 AM
everybody and their motheres knew that Mauresmo would be number 1 when Lindsay lost.
I really believe that the WTA is doing it on purpose to keep in under wrap.
Why? No idea.
But it's fucking outrageous. It's not even a matter of if she deserves it or not. It's a matter that she is the NEW NUMBER 1, so they can at least acknwledge and show it pubicly.
I think it has everything to do with Mauresmo being openly gay. I'd bet a million dollars that if Larry Scott had his way, all gay players on tour would still be in the closet, because they aren't marketable to the "mass sporting audience" (translation: straight men). I hope the WTA Tour proves me wrong and corrects its mistake.

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:16 AM
Momo played by the WTA Tour rules and become #1 on the computer for the first time this week. The least they could do is report this news on their official website. It's not Momo's fault she plays full time and most of the other top player haven't been able to. Momo has been made to feel like an outcast by some people because of her sexual preference and that is wrong. For the WTA Tour to make her feel like an outcast because they aren't happy she became #1 without winning a grand slam singles title is totally unprofessional and unacceptable. :(

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Ok, doesn't the #1 get a picture with a funky floral #1 and stuff? :confused:

If so, is that what everyone is upset might not have happened? Maybe the web master is just slow and hasn't got it up? I hope that's it.

If that's not it then yeah they need to be ashamed of themselves. It's not for them to decide who's deserving or an exciting #1 it's just up to them to treat everyone the same. :(


Exactly! :yeah:

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:24 AM
Momo played by the WTA Tour rules and become #1 on the computer for the first time this week. The least they could do is report this news on their official website. It's not Momo's fault she plays full time and most of the other top player haven't been able to. Momo has been made to feel like an outcast by some people because of her sexual preference and that is wrong. For the WTA Tour to make her feel like an outcast because they aren't happy she became #1 without winning a grand slam singles title is totally unprofessional and unacceptable. :(

Plus, she was injured during the Australian Open, or else, who knows. she might have been able to go further . . . :fiery:

It's a pity how they are dealing with Momo's ranking! :rolleyes:

vettipooh
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:28 AM
Yeah, where is Momo's cake in the shape of a #1? i looked for the picture of her celebration. What the heck! They don't like Momo? When it was Kim and Justine most recently. they were all over the place......weird.

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:32 AM
Clijsters got to #1 and hadn't won a grand slam in the process. The WTA Tour really dropped the ball here mainly because they have probably hurt Amelie and made ehr feeling bad about becoming #1.

hab, you make a good point about Amelie getting injured during the Australian Open. That was very unfortunate.

We all know the WTA ranking systems needs some tweaking. But a player who becomes #1 for the first time should be celebrated and not snubbed.

WTF Tour
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:32 AM
There reason why there is no mention because Mauresmo doesn't deserve to have it, plain and simple. Who cares if she's winning Tier I finals? The fact of the matter is she's reached 3 QF's and 1 SF in Grand Slams this year and hasn't even reached the final of a Slam since 1999, to give Kim credit she was at least reaching SF's of slams.

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:35 AM
Clijsters got to #1 and hadn't won a grand slam in the process.

Clijsters made it to two Grand Slam finals and two Grand Slam semis. She also won YEC. That was the second/third best GS record of the year. Mauresmo is a pretty much a Grand Slam nobody. I.e. she can't beat other players when they are at their best. Period. WTF has she got to do with being #1?

treufreund
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:36 AM
amelie has played some great tennis all year long. the fact that it happened in other major tournaments does not nullify the great tennis she has played!

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:49 AM
Clijsters made it to two Grand Slam finals and two Grand Slam semis. She also won YEC. That was the second/third best GS record of the year. Mauresmo is a pretty much a Grand Slam nobody. I.e. she can't beat other players when they are at their best. Period. WTF has she got to do with being #1?


She has got everything to do with number one : she was the most consistent. Not her fault that other players also got injured. If you go by your logic. You would have to put asterik next to a few former number ones : juju got to number one when Serena and Venus were injured, Davenport, I think got to number one while Capriati had one some slams, etc.

They have the ranking system set up so that players won't just show up for the grandslams but to other tournaments as well. so that way money can be made. That's the system deal with it. Plus if the grand slam winners are such great players than they should be winning tons of other tournaments, that way they get the top ranking!!! ;) :lol: :lol: :p

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:54 AM
I don't see what's your problem is.. She will be top-seeded as logn as she is top-ranked.. That is the only mandatory honour reserved for top-ranked players. No one promised more than that. It is entirely at the discretion.

William Hunt
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:00 AM
Mauresmo did win Berlin , Rome & Montréal. And she was in the final in Sydney, Amelia Island and the Olympics. On top of that 2 Semi Finals, 4 Quarter finals and never early exits . I'd say tha'ts a pretty fine achievment, she deserves to be at her current rank, although the injury of Justine did play a big role.

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:00 AM
I don't see what's your problem is.. She will be top-seeded as logn as she is top-ranked.. That is the only mandatory honour reserved for top-ranked players. No one promised more than that. It is entirely at the discretion.


The problem : lack of acknowledgement of her achievement ;) :lol: :lol:

~ The Leopard ~
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:01 AM
Rules are rules. Amelie got to number 1 fair and square under the rules that applied to everyone. For one reason or another, no one else managed to do better than she did overall, under those rules, over these past 52 weeks. It may be a closer thing than was the case in the past, but she's still done it, it's a huge achievement, and it should be celebrated. I'd say the same thing if it was a player I don't much like, like Capriati. They should all be treated fairly. If Cappy ever gets back to number 1, give her her goddamn cake, ceremony, and press publicity.

I get the impression from lots of little things that whoever runs the wta's site doesn't much like Momo. And it's not just her; it applies to a greater or less extent to all the non-American players unless they are tall, blonde and called Sharapova. Still, I think it applies to Momo more than most. When will they learn that, for the good of the tour, they need to market all their stars at every opportunity?

Someone seems to think that Momo is not charismatic, or not a good image for the WTA to project. Presumably this is because she is not American and doesn't look like a model. Most of us know that she is actually one of the charismatic players on the tour, but you only get her charisma if you get her whole personality, which includes the fact that she is openly gay. Perhaps it's thought that that won't go down well in middle America.

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:02 AM
The problem : lack of acknowledgement of her achievement ;) :lol: :lol:
Acknowledgement by whom? :confused:

WTA acknowledged it here..
http://www.wtatour.com/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

What else do you want?

Wiggly
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:04 AM
I think French media said a lot of "She is the best,etc" so I think WTAtour don't have to said it and they don't have many things to say about her, no big palmares.....

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:05 AM
Rules are rules. Amelie got to number 1 fair and square under the rules that applied to everyone. For one reason or another, no one else managed to do better than she did overall, under those rules, over these past 52 weeks. It may be a closer thing than was the case in the past, but she's still done it, it's a huge achievement, and it should be celebrated.

Then celebrate.


I'd say the same thing if it was a player I don't much like, like Capriati. They should all be treated fairly. If Cappy ever gets back to number 1, give her her goddamn cake, ceremony, and press publicity.

I found nothing about cake, ceremony and publicity in WTA rules.

Anything else is at their discretion as a commercial company. If something is good for their business, they'll do it. If not .. then not..

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:06 AM
Acknowledgement by whom? :confused:

WTA acknowledged it here..
http://www.wtatour.com/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

What else do you want?

you mustn't check out the WTA site very often or you would know what was done for Venus, Clijsters, Justine, among others. . . :rolleyes:

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:07 AM
you mustn't check out the WTA site very often or you would know what was done for Venus, Clijsters, Justine, among others. . . :rolleyes:
Perhaps. WTA is a company that makes money. That's their purpose. They perhaps did what they thought would averagely bring them money.. Capitalism.. you know..

poldame
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:20 AM
i have send a comment via "http://www.wtatour.com/thewtatour/contact/".

i suggest that a lot of people send comment there

Poldame

fammmmedspin
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:23 AM
They ought to give the girl her due. it isn't even if she was ahead by a couple of points - its nearly a 10% lead.

Ironically the ranking figures from the WTA do suggest about the only way out of the current situation without creating sillier situations by vastly increasing GS points would be to move to a system that just counted quality points. Myskina would just be number 1 with those and your ranking would reflect who you beat. You could get non GS winners s number 1 under that system too though- although you probably would have to win an lot of other tournaments. Risky though. Might be better to keep it as it is and accept that Momo wins more than the GS winners.

MinnyGophers
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:36 AM
Acknowledgement by whom? :confused:

WTA acknowledged it here..
http://www.wtatour.com/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

What else do you want?
we can clearly see that you dislike Mauresmo. But she is a new number 1 , so she should be treated like EVERYBODY else. Who gives what you or what people thnk of her? They should at least announce it. It IS a big deal in the world of tennis.

MinnyGophers
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:38 AM
don't you people think that if there was a better way to rank players, it would already have been implemented???
These people created a system, and if they used it for thirty years, why change it now?
This is just bullshit. You guys jealous that Mauresmo got to number 1? Then take it out on your favorite players for being injured, or for not playing well enough to be in front of her, not on Amelie who is just trying to win games.

gossipcom
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:53 AM
They haven't done their notes and netcords yet - I'm waiting for that because it will have the details of the full race to the WTA Championships, no 1 position, US Open and also the next points to be dropped, etc.

SzavayFi
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:57 AM
What i comepletely dont understand is....................Justine had more points than Anastasia going into the US OPEN, Justine goes rather in the tournament than anastasia and yet justine goes to number 4 and anastasia goes to number 2???? some please explain!

ys
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:58 AM
we can clearly see that you dislike Mauresmo. .
What else can you clearly see? :rolls: Tell us, or wise one.. :haha: :smash:

gossipcom
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:22 AM
Noodely, it's because Justine won the tournament last year therefore had more points to defend - when they start a new tournament, last year's points get taken away and are replaced by this year's points.

Therefore the base points of Myskina were higher than Henin-Hardenne.

Fingon
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:32 AM
don't you people think that if there was a better way to rank players, it would already have been implemented???

by the WTA?:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

These people created a system, and if they used it for thirty years, why change it now?

the system has nothing to do with what it was 30 years ago, it used to be an average system that would heavily penalize first round losses, they changed it as a way to get the top players to play more.

This is just bullshit. You guys jealous that Mauresmo got to number 1? Then take it out on your favorite players for being injured, or for not playing well enough to be in front of her, not on Amelie who is just trying to win games.
it's not Amelie's fault, that's true but the system is fucked up, the way to fix is not to try to ignore it, but to hire someone with half a brain to design a proper system.

They don't even need it, go back to the average system

MinnyGophers
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:43 AM
What else can you clearly see? :rolls: Tell us, or wise one.. :haha: :smash:


i can also clearly see that it is only because Mauresmo is number 1 that you now scream that the rankings are fucked up.
I wonder what you would have said if Davey was number 1. I mean if she was number 1 then she deserves it. But the system wouldn't be screwed up now does it? Even though it is still the same way and Amelie would be really not far behind Lindsay anyway? :rolleyes:

MinnyGophers
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:51 AM
by the WTA?:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

the system has nothing to do with what it was 30 years ago, it used to be an average system that would heavily penalize first round losses, they changed it as a way to get the top players to play more.

it's not Amelie's fault, that's true but the system is fucked up, the way to fix is not to try to ignore it, but to hire someone with half a brain to design a proper system.

They don't even need it, go back to the average system

but each system have their bad side. If you go back to the aveage system, then most players would just play the slams and what would the WTA gain from it also?
this is all good, but until you people find a better system that would suit every player, you can't go screaming that it is screwed up. Because if they had a better way, they woud do it, for the love of money and publicity heck they would do it. But until then, give Momo her due.

BK4ever
Sep 14th, 2004, 03:42 AM
its a total disrespect to Momo and the wta should be ashamed of themselves. whether u agree that she deserves the #1 or not, she earned it playing by their rules and should be acknowledged like all the others before her...its not like she is the first player to get to #1 without a slam...and it doesnt matter that Kim got to 2 finals etc...the bottom line is that both her and Amelie are SLAMLESS...

Mariangelina
Sep 14th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Their system is fucked up, but it is very hard to find one that is not. All the players know how the ranking system works. Amélie got the most points. Therefore, it's just sloppy and stupid to ignore her just because they don't want to get criticised again. ys, I don't care if you like Amélie or not. Pretend this was Anastasia who just became #1. It is ridiculous for there to be a change in the #1 ranking and for there to be no mention except on the rankings list. Every other change of #1 has been heavily publicised. And Amélie may not deserve to be #1 by your criteria, whatever they are, but she does by the WTA Tour's criteria, which are getting the most points over one year. This being the WTA Rankings, not the YS Rankings, you'd think they'd acknowledge her.

I think it's mostly fear of being roasted again like they were over Clijsters, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some homophobia involved, as well as a bias against players who are not bleached blonde and "nubile" by the average straight white American sports-watching male's standards.

Greenout
Sep 14th, 2004, 11:34 AM
Checked the site. It's so weird, the WTA are afraid.

Linnie
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:16 PM
It's in this week's Notes & Netcords: http://www.wtatour.com/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=/media/notesandnetcords/editions/2004/sep13.pdf

I still think they should've mentioned it on the website :(

Momo (and Lindsay) qualified for the YEC! :D :worship: ;)

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:37 PM
It's in this week's Notes & Netcords: http://www.wtatour.com/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=/media/notesandnetcords/editions/2004/sep13.pdf

I still think they should've mentioned it on the website :(

Momo (and Lindsay) qualified for the YEC! :D :worship: ;)
LOL @ how they start the article...."Playing solid tennis all year"...wtf?? That's the best they could do? :lol:

Sonja
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:42 PM
Their system is fucked up, but it is very hard to find one that is not. All the players know how the ranking system works. Amélie got the most points. Therefore, it's just sloppy and stupid to ignore her just because they don't want to get criticised again. ys, I don't care if you like Amélie or not. Pretend this was Anastasia who just became #1. It is ridiculous for there to be a change in the #1 ranking and for there to be no mention except on the rankings list. Every other change of #1 has been heavily publicised. And Amélie may not deserve to be #1 by your criteria, whatever they are, but she does by the WTA Tour's criteria, which are getting the most points over one year. This being the WTA Rankings, not the YS Rankings, you'd think they'd acknowledge her.

I think it's mostly fear of being roasted again like they were over Clijsters, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some homophobia involved, as well as a bias against players who are not bleached blonde and "nubile" by the average straight white American sports-watching male's standards.
I completely agree. The point is she's No. 1 and the first No. 1 not to be heavily publicized. The omission is obvious. Regardless of their reasons why i.e., the rankings system, lack of slam, not American, not Barbie, lesbian is irrelevant. She should have the same level of publicity/respect they've had for their other No. 1's.

fleemke³
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:46 PM
It's a true shame nothing is mentioned on the site ... totaly disrespectfull!!

~ The Leopard ~
Sep 14th, 2004, 03:09 PM
Let 'em know how you feel. I sent an e-mail, but I suppose I'll get no response.

bubble
Sep 14th, 2004, 05:05 PM
OMG what a disgrace for them not to mention about Amelie's less obvious acheivements.

they probably took them the whole weekend to come up with this (New No. 1 Qualifies for WTA Tour Championship) title so as to put Amelie's new No. 1 success in the backseat.

poor Amelie.... it's not her fault :(

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Well said the Leopard, hab and BK. ys is left scrambling! :eek: :bolt: The point is that Mauresmo became #1 on the computer for the first time in her career to little or no fanfare and that's just wrong. Momo played the system like everyone else did. Whether she deserves to be ranked #1 at this time is irrelevant because she is whether peopel like it or not. It's not Momo's fault Serena Williams was out 8 months and Justine henin got a viral infection. I hope Mauresmo wins a grand slam singles title in the future becauase that will feel so much better to her than making #1 for the first time and have the WTA Tour be embarrassed by that. :o Momo deserves better from the WTA Tour.

Amelie Mauresmo is a beautiful tennis player to watch in an era of Big Babe power tennis! :D Her stylish flowing game is from the heavens and tennis needs natural tennis players like her. :)

Infiniti2001
Sep 14th, 2004, 05:26 PM
That's just wrong!! :o I was watching CNN Headline News earlier and saw the announcement scrolling by-- of course they added " #1 even without a slam" UGH.

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Infiniti, Marcelo Rios made the #1 ranking in men's tennis in 1998 even without winning a grand slam singles title. But the ATP Tour recognized his accomplishment. I remember Lindsay Davenport saying how strange it would be for Rios to become #1 without winning a grand slam. But he did become #1 and he didn't win a grand slam. The ranking system is far from perfect and tennis knows it. Players like Mauresmo should enjoy becoming #1 for the first time instead of being made to defend themselves for it. Amelie has been unlucky with injuries for a long time. :( It's time she stared having lady luck on her side and maybe this is the start of that. :)

Sonja
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:01 PM
well well well, look who's on the front page now... www.wtatour.com

griffin
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Day late, and a dollar short. They're still pf's.

pla
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I am not at all an Amelie fan BUT she is #1 and she should have all the attention her predecessors had.

Fingon
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:26 PM
but each system have their bad side. If you go back to the aveage system, then most players would just play the slams and what would the WTA gain from it also?

that's the first problem, the rankings are not meant to encourage players to play, they have to reflect as accurately as possible the level of players, if they want to force players to play more they have other means, using the rankings is stupid.

And the WTA doesn't have to gain anything from it, that's not what the rankings are for.

this is all good, but until you people find a better system that would suit every player, you can't go screaming that it is screwed up. Because if they had a better way, they woud do it, for the love of money and publicity heck they would do it. But until then, give Momo her due.
I don't get that claim that if there was a better system the wta would have it. That's assuming the WTA's executives are genious and think things through, it's the other way around actually.

The tour is in terrible shape because of the WTA, stupid schedule, stupid ranking system, stupid ads campaign, since Larry Scott took over the WTA has been in a downfall, and you tell me they would use a better system if there was one?

the average system is a far better system, it's not perfect but it's a lot better than the actual one, and if the top players don't play much, the wta needs to analyze why they don't, or maybe they like to have all top players injured all the time whatever.

The WTA loves money, that doesn't mean they are capable of making money, it's a poorly managed corporation, with very short sight, believe me, if I was a WTA's shareholder I would vote to kick the current management out.

The WTA should start by hiring a CEO that knows about corporate governance, and knows how to manage a business, evaluates performance and makes the necessary corrections. He/she doesn't even need to know about tennis, they need to know about business, can have advisors on tennis.

It's a matter of time until the Europeans get fed up with the highly americanized wta, that seems to care only about american players and give them special privileges, we need a new Billie Jean King to kick things off, I really think they should start over with a new entity that has no links to the current WTA and none of its executives.

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:41 PM
What are pf's Griffin? Hi Sonja! :wavey: It's a bit funny that I just repped you 2 becauase I didn't even know you 2 had repped me. Maybe I havve ESP. ;)

I don't know what to say about the ranking controversy anymore except that discussing it at this point is like a cat chasing it's tail. :cat: We just go round and round.

*JR*
Sep 14th, 2004, 07:41 PM
but each system have their bad side. If you go back to the aveage system, then most players would just play the slams and what would the WTA gain from it also?Why the "all or nothing" you imply? Simply average the points from all events played, but divide by (17?) if the # played is less.That way you penalize anyone who wants to do basically Slams, a few Tier I's, a couple of (mandatory) Tier III's if Gold Exempt, and just exo's besides that. Want to reward durability? Fine, give some bonus points (per round won) once the magic # (17 or whatever) isexceeded.

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:09 PM
yeah what are pfs? :scratch:

hablo
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:25 PM
well well well, look who's on the front page now... www.wtatour.com


Well, it's about time they mentioned something about Momo.

I'll even overlook the fact that it was a day late!! :rolleyes: ;) ;) :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:29 PM
well well well, look who's on the front page now... www.wtatour.com (http://www.wtatour.com/)
but I still don't see any pics where they held a small ceremony or celebration. :rolleyes:

the cat
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Rocky, maybe pf's are personal fouls? :confused: ;)

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Rocky, maybe pf's are personal fouls? :confused: ;)
Haha, more like Pissant F^ckers...;)

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:37 PM
Haha, I just found out what pf's are....:lol:

and well I was a little closer than the cat...:eek: :eek: :angel:

tennisfan22
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:38 PM
pathetic fucks ? :confused:

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:40 PM
pathetic fucks ? :confused:
eh, close but no cigar. :p

tennisfan22
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:50 PM
eh, close but no cigar. :p

tell us already lol :p

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:59 PM
tell us already lol :p
haha, I would but Griffin didn't say it in the thread and well I don't know if she want's it said. Besides people guessing is so much more fun......:devil:

It could mean Petulant Flatuences..:p

Dawn Marie
Sep 14th, 2004, 09:00 PM
pussy fuckers?

Phuck farts?



This is a diss to Momo. She deserved what everyone else recieved.

volta
Sep 15th, 2004, 12:17 AM
"Ups! Seems like we´ve forgotten something...";)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hy2pt0
Sep 15th, 2004, 02:31 AM
Yeah, and those short paragraphs did not even really deal with her becoming number one, they concentrated qualifying for the wta tour championships.

MinnyGophers
Sep 15th, 2004, 03:31 AM
Yeah, and those short paragraphs did not even really deal with her becoming number one, they concentrated qualifying for the wta tour championships.
they probably got flamed for not having anything on amelie being number 1, so they figured that three sentences on her being number 1 will suffice :rolleyes:

VW#1
Sep 15th, 2004, 04:54 AM
While I think it is very mean, almost cruel for the WTA to not acknowledge that Amelie Mauresmo is the new number one, I can totally see their standpoint. How would you feel if the "best" in your company or sport or whatever was someone widely considered to be a choker and has never won the sports pinnacle achievement? I understand how Mauresmo fans feel, but we must be reasonable here. Mauresmo has had a good year, but when I think about the last number ones, even Clijsters, they didn't have a good year they had a stellar year. And no I wouldn't have a problem with davenport returning to number one because her 3 slams and numerous other titles have shown she has paid her dues to the sport. And for people to say it's becuase she's a lesbian is absolutely ridiculous, and I say that as a bi sexual person. Don't start using that as an excuse to why bad things happen, especially in this case when they are SEVERAL other reasons why the WTA could be acting this way. It's the same as using race for an excuse, it's almost never true in this day and age. If critics have to accept that Mauresmo got to number one the fine, but except that people are treating her this way cause she doesn't deserve it, not because she's lesbian.

griffin
Sep 15th, 2004, 02:16 PM
While I think it is very mean, almost cruel for the WTA to not acknowledge that Amelie Mauresmo is the new number one, I can totally see their standpoint. How would you feel if the "best" in your company or sport or whatever was someone widely considered to be a choker and has never won the sports pinnacle achievement? I understand how Mauresmo fans feel, but we must be reasonable here. Mauresmo has had a good year, but when I think about the last number ones, even Clijsters, they didn't have a good year they had a stellar year. And no I wouldn't have a problem with davenport returning to number one because her 3 slams and numerous other titles have shown she has paid her dues to the sport. And for people to say it's becuase she's a lesbian is absolutely ridiculous, and I say that as a bi sexual person. Don't start using that as an excuse to why bad things happen, especially in this case when they are SEVERAL other reasons why the WTA could be acting this way. It's the same as using race for an excuse, it's almost never true in this day and age. If critics have to accept that Mauresmo got to number one the fine, but except that people are treating her this way cause she doesn't deserve it, not because she's lesbian.

No one is saying they need to herald her as the best thing since the discovery of fermentation, just that they give her her due for having earned THEIR number one ranking. It's the WTA's JOB to promote the tour and its players, yet the wire services gave her more coverage then the WTA itself did.

They had an opportunity to frame this conversation in a positive light: they could have acknoweldged that the rankings aren't perfect and at the same time said that Mauresmo's rise to #1, coupled with having 4 different champions at the Slams, is indicative of how even and competitive the field is now. (I know I don't need to remind V & S fans of the days when having a clearly dominant player or two was seen as "bad for tennis" - you'd think people who complained about that would be thrilled now :rolleyes: ) Instead, by dodging the issue, they look like a bunch of bumbling idiots and cowards who won't even stand by their own standards.

The could have put the focus or at least remind people of what Mauresmo DID accomplish, rather than what she's missing. Instead, they chose to let her twist in the wind. Which is indefensible, imo.

Don't tell me that if Dani, or some skinny little blond who's all too happy to pose provocatively for men's magazines, had gotten to #1 the same way Momo did, that she wouldn't have gotten more props from the tour. I don't think this is the sole reason for the way they failed to promote their new number one (see "bumbling idiots" "cowards" "pig fuckers"), but yes I do think the fact that she's an out lesbian makes them think she's less marketable and thus less worthy of the attention. And if you don't see that, all I can say is denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

*JR*
Sep 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Griff, I think the only meaningful comparison would be to when Kim became "the other Slamless #1". (I truly don't recall how much they hyped that or didn't).

Rocketta
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:54 PM
Don't tell me that if Dani, or some skinny little blond who's all too happy to pose provocatively for men's magazines, had gotten to #1 the same way Momo did, that she wouldn't have gotten more props from the tour. I don't think this is the sole reason for the way they failed to promote their new number one (see "bumbling idiots" "cowards" "pig fuckers"), but yes I do think the fact that she's an out lesbian makes them think she's less marketable and thus less worthy of the attention. And if you don't see that, all I can say is denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Hey there's another pf. :p

Anyway you're correct this dis is not about being deserving of the #1 position cause if it was Anna K or even Maria Sharapova.....There would've been a huge celebration and she would've been called the savior of tennis by the WTA didn't matter if she had a slam win or not. They don't think Momo is marketable or they may even think she's a detriment to the sport. They rather sell the girls as sex objects over athletes. It's one thing if the girls themselves wants to exude sex appeal and another for the establishment to buy into it and only be willing to market that one view of the female athlete. :rolleyes:

hingis-seles
Sep 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
There's an article on Sharapova attending the premiere of "Wimbledon: The Movie", but not one on Amelie rising to the top. :rolleyes:

the cat
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Amelie should be commended for being a different kind of person in a selfish tennis world. :) And I don't mean she's different because she's gay. Amelie is different because she's not one of these marketed and hyped players that gets too much publicity too soon. She seems kind and low key in a tennis world that's all about me. And I appreciate that in Momo. We all know Momo's merit for being the new #1 ranked women's tennis player is debatable. But what's not debatable is the poor way the WTA Tour treated Amelie after she made it to #1. :D She deserves to be recognized for making it to #1 and for being the first French woman to ever hold the #1 ranking. That's important to Mauresmo because it's a historic moment in French tennis. Amelie played the WTA Tour's ranking system and became #1. She doesn't need a parade to celebrate becoming #1. But a nice congratulatory message from the WTA Tour or a new #1 plaque from the WTA Tour signifying her accomplishment would have been appropriate.

Well I guess Griffin's meaning of pf's is out of the bag. :eek: ;)