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rightous
Sep 13th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Suarez and Ruano Pascual have now won their 7th GS title, and have reached 12 GS finals. In comparsion to other great doubles teams, Gigi and Zvereva and Shriver and Navratilova how do they compare?

Zhao
Sep 13th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Shriver n Nvratilova r still the best in doubles history... they were basically impeccable during their time... Suraez/Pascual's love for the doubles game definitely win the hearts of all of us over but they still have to win a couple more GS n Tier1 titles to be ranked among the best...

they r in the history books though... the first team to win 3 straight US Open titles since open era :yeah:

anabel
Sep 13th, 2004, 01:47 PM
Sure they are one of the best couples in history.. :yeah:

rommel99
Sep 13th, 2004, 02:12 PM
they should be.. plus they should get extra points for playing diferently not the typical serve and volley game in doubles..

Sammm
Sep 13th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Yes, they are one of the greats. i'd be even more convinced if they beat Serena and Vee on a grass court :)

clonesheep
Sep 13th, 2004, 03:43 PM
It's too soon to tell. In fact, if Clijsters and Sugiyama were still together and competeing on a regular basis, the VRP/Paola team would not have won as many slams as they did.

SerenaSlam
Sep 13th, 2004, 04:00 PM
It's too soon to tell. In fact, if Clijsters and Sugiyama were still together and competeing on a regular basis, the VRP/Paola team would not have won as many slams as they did.
same thing about Kim/Ai can be said about them, if Venus/Serena were together, really none of these players would most likely be winning slams. :rolleyes:

they still have the best records ever in doubles

jrm
Sep 13th, 2004, 04:18 PM
Top single player also represents top doubles player but nowaday top single players rarely play doubles

Davenport Rock$
Sep 13th, 2004, 04:33 PM
You know that word game that people would play where someone would say a word, then the next person would say the first thing that came to mind? Well, in the good ole days, if someone said "doubles"; the response would be "volley"

Nowadays you got all of these baseliners playing because serve and volleyers are dead, so most of the time both players back, or one up and the other back. Most baseliners don't even serve and volley in doubles (go figure).

My point is, this makes Ruano/Suarez appear very boring. People were excited when the saw all four players at the net slamming volleys at each other. Teams like Nav/Shriver, Novotna/Sukova, King/Casals and Natasha and Gigi. I don't think Vivi and Paola are comparable to the best yet, but their style of play could be hurting them.

I laughed so hard at the Ruano/Suarez vs Martinez/Husarova match. Paola doesn't volley too well, but she's the one at the net most. Ruano volleys well, but doesn't serve and volley and hangs back a lot. Martinez is crazy, she doesn't do anything but stay back and hit moonballs, IN DOUBLES :rolleyes: . The only person on court that played premier doubles was Husarova, and I didn't even know who she was, lol... but I was impressed with her! :angel:

Daniel
Sep 14th, 2004, 08:41 AM
Vivi and Paola :yeah:

Alvarillo
Sep 14th, 2004, 09:37 AM
Venus and Serena haven't played doubles, they play 2 singles at the same time .... ;)
Vivi & Paola is one of the best teams in history!!!!!!!

Caz
Sep 14th, 2004, 09:56 AM
Yeah, I think so. Their dominance in the slams over the past few years is quite simply amazing. As for the point that they don't play a conventional doubles style, I think the fact that they can play doubles the way they do and still be, indiscutably, the best team in the world, just makes their achievements even greater. Personally, I would place them behind teams such as Navratilova/Shriver and Fernandez/Zvereva, as I think there were more top doubles teams around in their time to challenge them. Having said that, though, you can't beat teams that aren't there, so we'll never know if Vivi/Paola would have been as dominant with as many top teams consistently around as those other two teams had to face. As things stand they are one of the best teams ever and have already made their mark on history to prove it! :worship: Vamos Vivi & Paola!!! :D :worship:

broncosven
Sep 14th, 2004, 10:14 AM
Definately

also add to that list Stubbs and Raymond ???

thelittlestelf
Sep 14th, 2004, 10:46 AM
Yes, definitely :yeah:.

Greenout
Sep 14th, 2004, 10:48 AM
Gigi/Natasha were wonderful. You can't even compare the two.
Sorry, they were out of this world. Personality, personality, and
unbelieveable skills. ASV/Jana, and the Hingis/Jana pairings were
the last great teams.

Wojtek
Sep 14th, 2004, 10:53 AM
No. They are great team but their volleys are very, very poor. They are the best deffensive doubles in history but they aren't the best.

Giga and Natsha were amazing. Also Navratilov/Shriver were much better than Vivi and Paola.

Jakeev
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Got to give credit to Virginia and Paola for taking doubles seriously and being successful so far in their careers.

But folks you have to admit, the game of doubles is just not what it used to be. The top players don't play both events weekly the way they used to.

Does this mean Paola and Virginia would not have done so well? Perhaps not, but I think they have been lucky that in some respects doubles just is not as important to the top players as it used to be.

Doraemon
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:10 PM
I think it's got a lot to with how serious the top players are about playing doubles.

Caz
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:21 PM
Got to give credit to Virginia and Paola for taking doubles seriously and being successful so far in their careers.

But folks you have to admit, the game of doubles is just not what it used to be. The top players don't play both events weekly the way they used to.

Does this mean Paola and Virginia would not have done so well? Perhaps not, but I think they have been lucky that in some respects doubles just is not as important to the top players as it used to be.Yeah, I would tend to agree, but then, on the other hand, we have no idea how successful they may or may not be if they were faced with the same amount/level of competition as some of the other teams in the past. Maybe they would be able to adapt their game to compete with more competition, maybe not. For that reason, I don't think you can really compare teams or players of different eras, cos there are just too many variables; to be the best team of your era you can only prove that you are better than the other teams of your era. I think Vivi/Paola are undoubtedly the best team of this decade so far (and I'm not saying other teams, such as the Williams's or Kim/Ai, for example, couldn't be better, if they played more, but we'll never know, cos they don't) but I don't think it is possible to make fair comparisons between different eras, as no-one will ever really know.

Helen Lawson
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:35 PM
Got to give credit to Virginia and Paola for taking doubles seriously and being successful so far in their careers.

But folks you have to admit, the game of doubles is just not what it used to be. The top players don't play both events weekly the way they used to.

Does this mean Paola and Virginia would not have done so well? Perhaps not, but I think they have been lucky that in some respects doubles just is not as important to the top players as it used to be.
This is my senitment, bravo to them, but if even a few of the top singles players consistently played doubles, they beat them, like Kim and Ai, and even Petrova/Shaughnessy, though I know little about doubles.

Jakeev
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I would tend to agree, but then, on the other hand, we have no idea how successful they may or may not be if they were faced with the same amount/level of competition as some of the other teams in the past. Maybe they would be able to adapt their game to compete with more competition, maybe not. For that reason, I don't think you can really compare teams or players of different eras, cos there are just too many variables; to be the best team of your era you can only prove that you are better than the other teams of your era. I think Vivi/Paola are undoubtedly the best team of this decade so far (and I'm not saying other teams, such as the Williams's or Kim/Ai, for example, couldn't be better, if they played more, but we'll never know, cos they don't) but I don't think it is possible to make fair comparisons between different eras, as no-one will ever really know.
Oh I agree and I am definitely not comparing them to the great teams of the past. And who knows, if the WTA does begin to shorten the season, we might see more players come back to doubles in the future.

switz
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:00 PM
they've achieved a lot and you can't take that away from them but i don't think it can argued that they are one the great teams. they do lose quite often against strong teams and i think in many ways they have benefitted from a lack of depth in the doubles game and the fact that even when singles players do play it is usually on and off and they don't tend to stick with the same partners.

i can't see them competing with nav/shriver, gigi/zvereva playing anywhere near their peaks.

they're fun to watch but i believe if the game was full of top singles players and strong volleyers like in men's doubles they would not have achieved so much.

on records on alone they definitely put themselves up their.

RoanHJ
Sep 14th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Suarez and Ruano Pascual have now won their 7th GS title, and have reached 12 GS finals. In comparsion to other great doubles teams, Gigi and Zvereva and Shriver and Navratilova how do they compare?


I don't think Suarez and Ruano Pascual are any where near as great as Pam and Martina or Gigi and Natasha. I don't think they're even as good as Brough and du Pont or Marble and Palfrey. They're a good team but let's face it the top players are not playing doubles as often as they use to. I think Venus and Serena would beat Suarez and Ruano Pascual, but they don't play that much any more. I love playing and watching doubles but sadly the game is pretty second rate right now among the pros.

Gandalf
Sep 14th, 2004, 03:40 PM
I agree with what many people said here, if some of the top players decided to play doubles in a regular basis, I don't think that VRP/Suarez would be winning all that match...I don't think they are better than Williams/Williams, Davenport/Raymond, or better than Hingis/Kournikova were. So basically they are filling the top spot in a period of low(er) level.

CooCooCachoo
Sep 14th, 2004, 03:42 PM
They are the greatest for me :hearts:

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2004, 03:43 PM
Just taking advantage of the weak field. Don´t think they´re one of the top top teams in history as I don´t think they could beat ANY team on any given day. There are still plenty teams that eventhough they don´t play consistently OWN Vivi/ Paola: Kim/Ai, Venus/Serena and even Meghann/Nadia...

propi
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:54 AM
I don't think they're guilty for the other players don't play doubles... plus it's always tiring listening to people justifying themselves with "ifs". This is real world, not an alternative reality... some talk about Nadia/Megham... yep they did great this year and beat Vivi and Poli several times this year... but is it Vivi and Poli's fault that that team doesn't qualify for Grand Slam finals????
They are taking advange of lower quality bullshit :yawn: .... we could say the same about so many GS single champions :rolleyes: is someone's fault that player X isn't playing well??
Their volleys suck and whatever... I don't give a sh?t as long as their results continue like this... you won't like their kind of game in doubles... others don't like power tennis in singles... everything a question of taste, but people seem to forget about this
Let's be realistic, their results speak by themselves... are they one of the best teams ever??? definitely. The best... not yet
Last but not least... remember being successful in singles doesn't always mean being successful in doubles:wavey:

Lemonskin.
Sep 15th, 2004, 05:59 AM
Maybe, but Sharapova/Kirilenko will quickly become the best ever... ^_^

LucasArg
Sep 15th, 2004, 06:23 AM
Well said Propi! :wavey:

Caz
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:53 AM
I don't think they're guilty for the other players don't play doubles... plus it's always tiring listening to people justifying themselves with "ifs". This is real world, not an alternative reality... some talk about Nadia/Megham... yep they did great this year and beat Vivi and Poli several times this year... but is it Vivi and Poli's fault that that team doesn't qualify for Grand Slam finals????
They are taking advange of lower quality bullshit :yawn: .... we could say the same about so many GS single champions :rolleyes: is someone's fault that player X isn't playing well??
Their volleys suck and whatever... I don't give a sh?t as long as their results continue like this... you won't like their kind of game in doubles... others don't like power tennis in singles... everything a question of taste, but people seem to forget about this
Let's be realistic, their results speak by themselves... are they one of the best teams ever??? definitely. The best... not yet
Last but not least... remember being successful in singles doesn't always mean being successful in doubles:wavey::wavey: Great post!! :D I wanted to give your good reputation, but apparently your many of the many people I'm not allowed to give reputation points to anymore until I give them to other people! :confused: ;) I agree completely with what you say, and if I have to hear one more "what if" or "if only" arguement on this board ... well ....!! lol!! :rolleyes: ;) :p

rhz
Sep 15th, 2004, 08:17 AM
Yes, they are one of the best teams ever

ALPHA
Sep 15th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Ruano-Pascual/Suarez are def. one of the most successful doubles-teams.

The question, if they are one of the "best" teams out there is much more hard to answer. My request: define the word "best" at first, before you start to create rankings.


I know, Ruano-Pascual/Suarez play a game-style, which is unfortunately common sence nowadays - not a real aggressive way to play doubles. Personally, I prefer different game-styles as well. But fact is - they are successful the way they play the game. And that's the key point for most.

Last point: Sure, there are few marque doubles teams out there these days - no Williams/Williams, no Spice Girls, no Davenport/Morariu, no Raymond/Stubbs to be seen in doubles draws. BUT, it's no fault of Ruano-Pascual/Suarez. Yes, they fill in the top-spot. But they do convincingly and the "IF's" (won't have as many titles as they have to their record, IF other top-teams were around) needs prove, which nobody can provide us with.

Ruano-Pascual/Suarez earned every title they won and earned every ranking point they scored 100%.

Billabong
Sep 15th, 2004, 03:50 PM
The Spice Girls were simply AWESOME!!!!!! Martina could win in doubles with anyone (ex: Lucic, Sukova, Pierce, Schett...) and she won 9 GS in doubles:D!

Pamela Shriver
Sep 15th, 2004, 06:27 PM
Suarez and Ruano Pascual have now won their 7th GS title, and have reached 12 GS finals. In comparsion to other great doubles teams, Gigi and Zvereva and Shriver and Navratilova how do they compare?
They're good. But they aint as good as Marti and me. I mean, I was handicapped, I was carrying Martina.

MAURO
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM
they are a great couple
one of the best of the history

probably one day they get a spot in the Hall of Fame of tennis

Zhao
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:18 PM
they may not be as good as some of the teams mentioned
but i think at the end of the day pple look at the no. of title they won
n 7 Grand Slam titles is definitely a great achievement :yeah:

Pengwin
Sep 15th, 2004, 07:26 PM
They're very smiley and that's one of the reasons they're a great team

fammmmedspin
Sep 15th, 2004, 10:14 PM
They are well up there in the second rank. Then you have to look at Natasha and Gigi and Martina and Pam though and you see they still have a few more years of results to go to get near their figures

jrm
Sep 15th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Suarez - top doubles player but do you see her at the net during her singles matches and if she does, does she look like top doubles player?

cartmancop
Sep 15th, 2004, 11:41 PM
No, I think they are just the best team currently playing. If V&S, Ai & Kim, or two of the top Russians play together regularly, I think Ruano Pascual & Suarez would have a very hard time winning many more majors.

shap_half
Sep 16th, 2004, 12:29 AM
I even think that the Anna/Martina team is slightly better
But then again martina is sooo fabulous she can win with anyone

Circe
Sep 16th, 2004, 06:01 AM
well i think in the final analysis results are what matter. i dont like their style of play and its sad that womens doubles should be played like this, certainly doesnt win a lot of fans, but from their point of view its what works and gets them titles.