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Veritas
Sep 12th, 2004, 05:48 AM
Ugh! I am :sad: and :mad: and :fiery:

I honestly believed Elena had a chance to take her first GS title. What happened? :(

But it made me wonder - is Elena's serve also tiring her out as well? Not only is it a danger to her service game, it's also sapping her energy as well. I reckon that a stronger and more accurate Elena serve would've saved her from going through those three-set tank battles, ala Maurasemo-QF and Capriati-SF, and helped preserve her energy for later matches as well . Her serve is dangerous - to herself and not necessarily her opponents.

I agree that it's late for her to start from scratch. But the longer Elena ignores this vital part of her game, more heartbreaking losses will follow. OTOH, I was watching the match and it seemed that it's really the ball toss that needs work. Her service motion isn't bad. It just seems that her swing is awkward because she throws the ball too far to the right-hand-side. It forces her right arm to move more to the right and at the same time drive the ball into the service square.

Everyone close to Elena needs to push her hard. This isn't a joke anymore, it's practically killing her.

xanctus
Sep 12th, 2004, 06:27 AM
she definately needs to fix her service toss...I was hoping so much that she can win this USopen...argggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

Chunchun
Sep 12th, 2004, 08:22 AM
:crying2:

hilde26
Sep 12th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Yeah. I agree with you. Owing to her soft serve, she have to try hard to narrowly defend her game and have to break opponents' serve game more often than other players who have effective serve. This way of matches have made her too much exhauseted.
I think she doesn't use her upper back muscles effectively. Her serve mechanism looks like too much elegant. And I think she doesn't stretch and bend her back powerfully when she hits a ball making serve.
Perhaps Lena is #1 in breaking opponent's serve game. When she makes a little improvements on her serve, she could be #1 on tour.

Stephieva
Sep 12th, 2004, 04:42 PM
yes..the big factor that Lena lost cos' of her serve..:sad:
Her groundies can match well with Sveta...
But her serve put her in the defensive position all the time...
Anddd Lena wasn't moving well last night...

Anyway...me thinks Lena knows her only obstacle to win GS is her serve..
If she REALLY wants to win one..
she will improve it...I believe she will. :)

DEETHELICK
Sep 12th, 2004, 04:52 PM
I believe she'll improve the serve too. Its waiting to be unleashed in a match.

C'mon Elena, you CAN do this!!! :)

jingspocket
Sep 12th, 2004, 05:09 PM
yes annoying once again, she can only go up from this, relax some more and be 100% fit. :angel:

JLDementieva
Sep 12th, 2004, 05:26 PM
It makes me kind of worried actually. If the other players saw this final yesterday, they will know how to attack Elena's serve now. And if everyone starts to return like Kuznetsova did yesterday, then Elena will have a hellish time trying to hold serve out there. I really hope by next year, her serve will be up there!

Stephieva
Sep 12th, 2004, 05:45 PM
If the other players saw this final yesterday, they will know how to attack Elena's serve now. And if everyone starts to return like Kuznetsova did yesterdayme thinks...
everyone knows it already...
Only who can do it...
Momo tried...Jenn tried...but they couldn't do it as Sveta..

me thinks another player who can do it is "Masha"...
With this serve...Lena will have damn difficulty to beat both of them..

goldenlox
Sep 12th, 2004, 07:57 PM
I think a healthy Lena would have won. She wasn't the same player as the fighter who beat Capriati.
Lena needed another day off before the final.

Dementinator
Sep 12th, 2004, 10:05 PM
She will work on her serve believe me, its already slowly improving and then watch out!!

BoucharDRules
Sep 13th, 2004, 01:01 AM
Well, is it realistic to hope that Elena can develop an aggressive serve that she can use as a weapon? Or will we have to be content with a serve that just lands in play?

I didn' t think the serve was so much the problem against Svetlana. Elena got a lot of first serves in during the first set but she still lost the set quite handily.

Her serve did get worse in the second set, and prevented Elena from keeping control in the set. It's clear that Svetlana's powerful serve gives her a much better ability to come back from a deficit.

bubble
Sep 13th, 2004, 09:52 AM
I think Elena's serve is improving, she has made a mental effort to improve it but she still needs more time and confidence to execute on a regularly basis and also add more power and Omph to it.

With Olga's guidance, she is developing nicely to be an all-court player which is the right way to go to be on top against all the power bashers of today.
I am so happy to be reading recent articles describing Elena as an all court player rather than a one -dimension baseliner :)

Griswold_cn
Sep 18th, 2004, 07:36 AM
I wonder what will happen when Elena make a serve at 100mph on average.

Chunchun
Sep 18th, 2004, 09:33 AM
I wonder what will happen when Elena make a serve at 100mph on average.

she win 50% tournaments, 2GS, YEC, olympics, 10 lost in a year, world no.3

if thats 120 mph on average :
she win 80% tournaments, 3GS, YEC, olympics, 5 lost in a year, world no.2

if thats 130 mph on average :
she win all tournaments, 4GS, YEC, olympics, 0 lost in a year, world no.1

Mathijs
Sep 18th, 2004, 02:25 PM
she win 50% tournaments, 2GS, YEC, olympics, 10 lost in a year, world no.3

if thats 120 mph on average :
she win 80% tournaments, 3GS, YEC, olympics, 5 lost in a year, world no.2

if thats 130 mph on average :
she win all tournaments, 4GS, YEC, olympics, 0 lost in a year, world no.1
ED your totally correct :worship:, Lena will be unbeatable :yeah: :bigclap: :clap2:

Andy Mac
Sep 18th, 2004, 03:56 PM
noo offense but hse jsut wasnt good enough.......and her serve is brutal.....she really needs a better serve cuz that is basically embarrassing her....im not here to say bad things but i relaly thought she was gunna win adn woudl like to.....and its a shame..and she beat out jen cappy....who is one of my favs so

udachi Elena
Sep 18th, 2004, 04:55 PM
I think a healthy Lena would have won. She wasn't the same player as the fighter who beat Capriati.
Lena needed another day off before the final.
I agree!! Lena just needs our support, and she will win a slam very soon:)

max88
Sep 19th, 2004, 07:18 AM
yep..I do agree with that..she is consistant...

Griswold_cn
Sep 20th, 2004, 09:51 AM
she win 50% tournaments, 2GS, YEC, olympics, 10 lost in a year, world no.3

if thats 120 mph on average :
she win 80% tournaments, 3GS, YEC, olympics, 5 lost in a year, world no.2

if thats 130 mph on average :
she win all tournaments, 4GS, YEC, olympics, 0 lost in a year, world no.1


if 130 mph,she could be No.1 of ATP too.................

i think 130 mph is different to many ATP players

Chunchun
Sep 20th, 2004, 10:57 AM
if 130 mph,she could be No.1 of ATP too.................

i think 130 mph is different to many ATP players

what do u mean "different"? :confused:

ATP no.1? me think can't :scratch: cus federer has much more powerful

groundstrokes than the women

Mathijs
Sep 20th, 2004, 02:33 PM
yep..I do agree with that..she is consistant...
to consistant????? :confused: :unsure:, i think you mean inconsistant, cuz she's Incosistant yes, but consistant is good :D

Chunchun
Sep 20th, 2004, 03:08 PM
oh guys plsss stop replying this thread and let this thread sink

everytime when i c this thread.........:crying2: :bigcry: :sobbing: :hysteric:

slk45
Sep 24th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Well, one more post anyway. While Elena's serve presented her with difficulties, I think the problem with her thigh is what really cost her the match. She fell -- not exactly fell, but went down on that leg about 5 times during the match. That cost her the second set. If she'd won that, I think she'd have won the 3rd. :sad: