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Volcana
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:58 AM
It's adequate, but compared to Lindsay's right now, well, I'm a bit concerned.

It just seemed to me that Lindsay is hitting really cleanly right now. She hit some short angle winners today almost casually. Her serve wasn't as devastating as it has been at her VERY best, but it was very solid. And i admit Bovina isn't a line painter, but she hits hard, and Lindsay wan't having much trouble reaching her shots to make returns.

Venus wasn't painting the lines today, made 40+ UEs and had an awful first serve percentage (51%). I visualize Lindsay lining up return those 80 mph, high bouncing topspin 2nd servers from Venus and I cringe. What's the gain of 'free points' on your first serve if you're virtually giving away points on your second?

Venus CAN play well enough to beat Lindsay on Monday. I just haven't SEEN it for a while. Well, I guess I'll cross my fingers and pace around the living room for the whole match as usual.

tennisIlove09
Sep 5th, 2004, 06:02 AM
I have no expectations anymore with Venus. I'm just thrilled she's reached the fourth round without the loss of a set or a new injury. Whatever happens on Monday, happens. I know she'll try her best, and that's all I ask for.

tennisiscool
Sep 5th, 2004, 06:02 AM
After a long time Venus will go into a 4th round GS match where she isn't the favorite to advance. I agree with some people here that very few people have beaten Venus thrice in a row but Lindsay could do it on Monday if Venus plays the way she has in the US open so far :)

Volcana
Sep 5th, 2004, 06:03 AM
After a long time Venus will go into a 4th round GS match where she isn't the favorite to advance. I agree with some people here that very few people have beaten Venus thrice in a row but Lindsay could do it on Monday if Venus plays the way she has in the US open so far :)She'llplay better. I just hope it's enough better.

Go VEE!

kaki
Sep 5th, 2004, 08:28 AM
Just hope she won't be tight

Williams Rulez
Sep 5th, 2004, 09:22 AM
I have no expectations anymore with Venus. I'm just thrilled she's reached the fourth round without the loss of a set or a new injury. Whatever happens on Monday, happens. I know she'll try her best, and that's all I ask for.yup... as long as she tries her best, i'll be happy... :)

villa
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:42 AM
What i noticed about Venus last night is that when she is on the defensive she has no problems hitting big forehands and hitting the court. Most of her mistakes came when she was pressing and returning no pace balls in the middle of the court. Her movement was excellant last night- vintage venus.
Lindsay will give her that pace and will make her run which is what venus loves. Players have won playing just defensive tennis before esp. against slow movers like lindsay and venus can out defend anyone.

Venus has been winning ugly this whole tournament and i saw nothing in either lindsay's match or hers to suggest she can't win ugly again.

pigam
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:49 AM
Davenport will have to play a smart match to beat Venus, IMO.

bandabou
Sep 5th, 2004, 12:54 PM
One thing I find odd....for the in-form player Lindsay´s supposed to be, I expected her to have an easier road than she has had so far. Lindsay really hasn´t DOMINATED in any of her matches...go look back, none of those matches were matches where it was all about Lindsay.

spokenword73
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:00 PM
I think the winner of this match will be who wants it more.
Hopefully Venus!:worship:

Sportfan
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:06 PM
I have no expectations anymore with Venus. I'm just thrilled she's reached the fourth round without the loss of a set or a new injury. Whatever happens on Monday, happens. I know she'll try her best, and that's all I ask for.
I completely agree :worship:

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:20 PM
One thing I find odd....for the in-form player Lindsay´s supposed to be, I expected her to have an easier road than she has had so far. Lindsay really hasn´t DOMINATED in any of her matches...go look back, none of those matches were matches where it was all about Lindsay.

I didn't expect Lindsay to have an easy time against Boivna and that is why I thought she (Bovina) would beat her. But from what I saw in the match, Lindsay was hitting winners of of Bovina that will not be winners off of Venus, if she moves the way she moved last night. Anohter thing was that when Bovina was serving deep, Lindsay was not able to return, something Venus will be able to capitalize on, but she has to get her first serves in. Also, Venus was winning much more on her second serve in the first set of her match than she normally does and if she is able to do the same tomorrow, Lindsay may have a problem.

Lindsay is the favorite, but this is no slam dumk for her.

Bright Red
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:28 PM
I can see how some might worry. However, we've been watching Venus and Lindsay against other players. How they play against each other is what's going to tell the story.

Venus has beaten Lindsay many times before without having even close to an error free game. She knows Lindsay's game very well (which has always been rather clean), and can run down anything Lindsay hits. On the flip side, obviously, Lindsay knows Venus' game well.

From my recollection, the Lindsay's last two wins were achieved pretty much by sending the ball to Venus' forehand--which reliably gave out. IMO, Venus has a good shot against Lindsay more than anything if she can manage her own forehand a little better than last night.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:31 PM
I have no expectations of a Venus win tomorrow. To be quite frank, I was happy with a win over Chanda.

It's sad - this is the first time that I can ever remember actually expecting Venus to lose :(


Was it just me or was she acting way wierd last night? Talking to herself on court and then being so open after the post-match interview. I hope she's ok.

V-MAC
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:39 PM
Venus was really FIRED UP last night, all the fist-pumping and the major reaction after she clinched the 1st set surprised me coz Vee is ususally so passive on court.This might be a good thing though coz Vee needs that spark back, maybe Chanda has ignited it. Venus said in her post-match interview that the match was the first time she has really felt "normal" on court this year. I know she made alot of errors during that match but really we must credit Chanda for playing pretty awesome tennis.Tactically she played a smart match for a set and a half with her net play but eventually Vee cracked onto it and drilled passing shots right at Chanda forcing errors from her.Vee did really well to turn around the second set coz Chanda was constantly at her, posing tons of problems. I think this match could be the launching pad for the return of 'Vintage Venus' as someone already mentioned.

Amanda
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:49 PM
I noticed that Venus was really "out there" during the interview. She exlained that she was happy to be playing injury free and winning a tight match. I believe that she was really overjoyed to get to face Lindsay in the next round...everyone is looking forward to their next match up.

I like that Venus was so emotional during the match- :bounce:

tennnisfannn
Sep 5th, 2004, 02:00 PM
It is logical to assume Lindsay the in form player will win this coz venus has been losing matches every which way. But tennis isn't mathematical. Players match up differently and quite frankly venus has always seemd comfortable with lindsay's game. But then again Venus isn't the same player but like someone already mentioned the final against Lindsay in stanford, which was so close it could have gone either way, Venus had a whopping 73 errors.
Alot has happened since then though, Lindsay has won 20 matches on the trot, that is a bucket load of confidence she is riding. Venus is in the 4th round thaough I am sure not many people expected her to survive mandula let alone chanda, but she has won two tie breaks and won a match in which she was making tonnes of errors, she is obviously picking up her game on the important points.
I don't think this is a shoe in for lindsay but it will be an intriguing match. I hope Venus can pull this one out.
On a side note, anyone notice how in this slam there have barely been any blow outs or bagels which we see with in the early rounds of a slam. The easiest first rounds were won by molik and myskina and they were gone in the next. I say the rest of the tour came to play. The matches have been entertaning.

Crazy_Fool
Sep 5th, 2004, 02:00 PM
I think Venus can win this game, but she is not gonna win the game playing like she did last night. It really was absymal, how many bps, game points, did she choke away :confused:

It was getting beyond ridiculous. Her forehand was totally a joke for the most part, her errors weren't going for winners most of the time either, just simple balls back in court. I can't believe how bad she's looking :sad:

I hope she can pick it up, because we are in for some match.

V-MAC
Sep 5th, 2004, 02:14 PM
:mad: people aren't giving any credit to Chanda though. She played an impressive match for a player who's form has been quite poor lately.Her tactics I think caught Venus off-guard coz Vee isn't really used to her opponents constantly rushing to the net as tennis these days is really more just a baseline battle.so Venus might have made alot of errors but Chanda had alot to do with that.hope Chanda can really build on this performance :bounce:

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:00 PM
:mad: people aren't giving any credit to Chanda though. She played an impressive match for a player who's form has been quite poor lately.Her tactics I think caught Venus off-guard coz Vee isn't really used to her opponents constantly rushing to the net as tennis these days is really more just a baseline battle.so Venus might have made alot of errors but Chanda had alot to do with that.hope Chanda can really build on this performance :bounce:Chanda did play well last night, especially in the beginning of the second set, but what I am sick and tired of are people not giving Venus any credit for one of the few players getting to the fourth round withtout dropping a set, something contenders Jennifer, Amelie and Justine cannot claim. Yes, her first set wins were either 7-5 or 7-6, but the fact that she has been able to win the two tiebreakers without that much effort is a good sign to me. Believe me, if she was playing that bad, she'd be out by now.

Infiniti2001
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:07 PM
What i noticed about Venus last night is that when she is on the defensive she has no problems hitting big forehands and hitting the court. Most of her mistakes came when she was pressing and returning no pace balls in the middle of the court.
Her movement was excellant last night- vintage venus.
Lindsay will give her that pace and will make her run which is what venus loves. Players have won playing just defensive tennis before esp. against slow movers like lindsay and venus can out defend anyone.

Venus has been winning ugly this whole tournament and i saw nothing in either lindsay's match or hers to suggest she can't win ugly again.



Exactly!! I think she is doubting herself and being overly cautious and that brings on the errors. Her self esteem is low and the the likes of Tracy Austin is not helping :rolleyes:

Freewoman33
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:10 PM
I believe in Venus and think she will win tomorrow.

Venus moves better than Elena, which means she'll be able to get a lot of Lindsay's balls back (providing she cuts down on the UEs).

Venus needs to get a lot of her first serves in because if she gives Lindsay a lot of second serves to look at, she can kiss the match goodbye.

BigTennisFan
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Don't you all know that unless you say that Venus is playing perfectly, regardless of how she's actually playing, that you are FAKE fans? :mad:

Foot_Fault
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:33 PM
Chanda did play well last night, especially in the beginning of the second set, but what I am sick and tired of are people not giving Venus any credit for one of the few players getting to the fourth round withtout dropping a set, something contenders Jennifer, Amelie and Justine cannot claim. Yes, her first set wins were either 7-5 or 7-6, but the fact that she has been able to win the two tiebreakers without that much effort is a good sign to me. Believe me, if she was playing that bad, she'd be out by now.
Liz...we actually agree on something!
Venus hasn't lost a set...playing Gutsy and Gritty Tennis...she's feeling good, and will eventually hit her stride, lets hope it's at this tournament.

Good Luck in the next round.

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:36 PM
The way to defeat Lindsay is too exploit her movement, and this is why both sisters had alot of success defeating Lindsay in the past. Lindsay is confident because of the recent wins over them which was more of their level being down than her beating them.

Venus cannot do what she did against Chanda. Her serve must be accurate, and her forehand must hold up the entire match. Lindsay will go to her forehand repeatedly which is a strategy she used at the BOTW.

When you think about it, for the whole summer noone has been able to exploit Davenport's movement. H-H, and Kim Clijsters and the Williams use to be the players who did it. However, H-H has been out, Kim is still healing, and the sisters have not been playing well at all this summer.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Liz...we actually agree on something!
Venus hasn't lost a set...playing Gutsy and Gritty Tennis...she's feeling good, and will eventually hit her stride, lets hope it's at this tournament.

Good Luck in the next round.

If Venus' attitude is great, she is healthy and she can minimize her weaknesses, I say she can beat Lindsay. People seem to forget that if not for the injury Venus suffered at Los Angeles when playing Lindsay, she may well beaten her 6-0, 6-2 or 6-0.

V-MAC
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:45 PM
I believe in Venus and think she will win tomorrow.

Venus moves better than Elena, which means she'll be able to get a lot of Lindsay's balls back (providing she cuts down on the UEs).

Venus needs to get a lot of her first serves in because if she gives Lindsay a lot of second serves to look at, she can kiss the match goodbye.

you know what I think Venus has been working on her second serve. In her match against Uberoi I definitely noticed that Venus was hitting her second serves alot deeper than usual.

V-MAC
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:47 PM
If Venus' attitude is great, she is healthy and she can minimize her weaknesses, I say she can beat Lindsay. People seem to forget that if not for the injury Venus suffered at Los Angeles when playing Lindsay, she may well beaten her 6-0, 6-2 or 6-0.

very true, Vee was really on a roll in that match before disaster had to strike :mad:

Elldee
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:49 PM
But to exploit Lindsay's movement Venus has to paint the lines of the court and change direction a lot which is just asking for unforced errors. Although Lindsay's movement isn't great because she's tall and kind of stocky, she does have a large arm span.

DEETHELICK
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I loved seeing Venus so fired up. She wanted that win. The hunger that has been missing for a while is starting to come back. She stepped up to the plate when required.

Its that forehand that I'm seriously worried about. It was ugly. At one point she 2 winners and 19 UEs (and this was into the 2nd set).

Lindsay's FH is huge, much more consistent and can really break down Venus' forehand.

I WANT Venus to reach the final (Lindsay/Mary would be okay too) vs Jennifer or Elena D.

Good luck to all ladies concerned.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:03 PM
you know what I think Venus has been working on her second serve. In her match against Uberoi I definitely noticed that Venus was hitting her second serves alot deeper than usual.
Venus HAS been working on her second serve and the stats tell that. Her wiining % on her second serve in her three match has been averaging at about 50%, so if Lindsay is depending on her second serve breaking down, she may be in for a surprise.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:07 PM
I loved seeing Venus so fired up. She wanted that win. The hunger that has been missing for a while is starting to come back. She stepped up to the plate when required.

Its that forehand that I'm seriously worried about. It was ugly. At one point she 2 winners and 19 UEs (and this was into the 2nd set).

Lindsay's FH is huge, much more consistent and can really break down Venus' forehand.

I WANT Venus to reach the final (Lindsay/Mary would be okay too) vs Jennifer or Elena D.

Good luck to all ladies concerned.

Venus' forehand started to break down in the latter part of the first set because before she started messing up, her forhand was fine. But when she broke Chanda in the second set to get back on serve, her forehand was working again.

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:11 PM
But to exploit Lindsay's movement Venus has to paint the lines of the court and change direction a lot which is just asking for unforced errors. Although Lindsay's movement isn't great because she's tall and kind of stocky, she does have a large arm span.
I don't think you she has to paint the lines, she just have to stay in a rally long enough to get Lindsay off balanced, and that is by moving her around. If you hit to the middle of the court or try to play first strike tennis with Lindsay you will lose. Lindsays strokes and serve are very consistent and does not break down much.

thelittlestelf
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Venus hasn't played her best yet---she's played well enough to get to the 4th round without dropping a set. That's all I ask of her.