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Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:17 AM
Muckity Muck UP!!! :fiery:

If they say "the fear is nolonger there for the other players" or "They nolonger think she's invincible...blah blah blah", one more time.. :shout:

Ok we get it....We got it the first hundred times it was said. Can you now think of something else to say? Do you have anything to say about the points of the actual match? :rolleyes:

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:18 AM
They coulda talked about Sharapova.... oh wait, they did that too. :tape:

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:19 AM
They coulda talked about Sharapova.... oh wait, they did that too. :tape:
ova and ova...:tape:

did I see a highlight of the Wimbledon win during Venus' match? :unsure:

The Crow
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:19 AM
:lol: :kiss:

CJ07
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:20 AM
it is annoying

Kabezya
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:22 AM
I just hate the talk about the "aura" being gone and whatnot because it implies that the other players simply didn't believe in themselves, and that Venus and Serena won only on intimidation. That type of talk always takes away from all involved.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:22 AM
ova and ova...:tape:

did I see a highlight of the Wimbledon win during Venus' match? :unsure:
I know I didn't.

I really wish they both shut the fuck up. They make it look as if she is bush league against Lindsay. While I admit that Lindsay at this point is playing better, didn't Lindsay have to win her tiebreak 9-7 in the first set. Though Venus had no business playing a tiebreak after being up 5-2 in the first set, at least she closed hers out 7-4.

gweeny
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:23 AM
It is insane. I am beggining to just tune them out. I think Ted feeds on whatever Tracy says. And after he gets one idea in his small brain. He keeps on harping over it again and a again.

It's like they think the viewers are stupid or deaf. We all know Venus did not play well. but to keep repeating it, is just insane.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:23 AM
this was the first time I almost cut the volume off...I mean between Venus' making me want to pull my hair and hearing that useless comment over and over was becoming too much for me..:scared:

bmxbandit
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:23 AM
ova and ova...:tape:

did I see a highlight of the Wimbledon win during Venus' match? :unsure:
A couple of times...According to media, Sharapova is the second coming. :tape:

kiwifan
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:24 AM
I miss the "Tracy days" when every time Venus hit a ball out it was because she didn't play Juniors. :)

The Queen has some interesting comments about feeling good for the first time since her injury.

Despite Tracy's complaints, I enjoyed watching the scrappy serve and volley of Chanda v. the on and off passing shots of Queen Vee. :cool: :cool: :cool:

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:24 AM
I know I didn't.

I really wish they both shut the fuck up. They make it look as if she is bush league against Lindsay. While I admit that Lindsay at this point is playing better, didn't Lindsay have to win her tiebreak 9-7 in the first set. Though Venus had no business playing a tiebreak after being up 5-2 in the first set, at least she closed hers out 7-4.
Yes, because serving/being broken 3 times for the set *IS* more respectable than a 9-7 tiebreaker.... :shrug:

I don't get your logic to paint your faves tiebreak win as "better", sorry.

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:24 AM
OMG Rocketta I was going to start a thread with the same topic. I am tired of hearing about the aura, it is very nauseating. Ted and Tracy are getting on my last nerves with their commentary.

Famu_lady
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:24 AM
Agree 100%! Them had me cursing and talking to a darn TV. Those two make me sick!

switz
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:26 AM
i'll be sure to tell them to shut the when i see them next.

maybe if venus produced some tennis worth watching they would have something else to talk about.

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:26 AM
this was the first time I almost cut the volume off...I mean between Venus' making me want to pull my hair and hearing that useless comment over and over was becoming too much for me..:scared:
I had to turn it off for a while. The combination with Venus making errors, and Tracy and Ted repeating that the players don't fear them anymore, and the aura bull was too much. It was like a broken record.:mad: :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:26 AM
Yes, because serving/being broken 3 times for the set *IS* more respectable than a 9-7 tiebreaker.... :shrug:

I don't get your logic to paint your faves tiebreak win as "better", sorry.
ok, you win!! Please don't turn this into a figure out Lizchris logic thread please! :p

Black Mamba.
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:28 AM
They were pretty bad as usual, but one thing Tracy said that stuck with me was that Vee really needs to go out and find someone to help her improve her forehand and her serve. There is no excuse for what we saw tonight, for a player as talented as Vee there is no excuse for not fixing her game. I really believe if she would improve her game she has the speed strength and raw talent to win more majors and be top 5 easy.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:28 AM
i'll be sure to tell them to shut the when i see them next.

maybe if venus produced some tennis worth watching they would have something else to talk about.
maybe if Chanda had played some tennis worth watching she would've won the match? :o

Now are you happy? Is that what you wanted? :)

switz
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Yes, because serving/being broken 3 times for the set *IS* more respectable than a 9-7 tiebreaker.... :shrug:

I don't get your logic to paint your faves tiebreak win as "better", sorry.

she always does that ie compare completely unrelated scores/results/performances and draws wide reaching conclusions from them.

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:29 AM
ok, you win!! Please don't turn this into a figure out Lizchris logic thread please! :p
Honey, that'd be WAY more than just a 1 thread issue. ;)

tennisiscool
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Lindsay won the second set 6-2 while Venus won the second set 6-3 . Venus lost a game more than Lindsay so that means .................................................. .............nothing :)

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:30 AM
They were pretty bad as usual, but one thing Tracy said that stuck with me was that Vee really needs to go out and find someone to help her improve her forehand and her serve. There is no excuse for what we saw tonight, for a player as talented as Vee there is no excuse for not fixing her game. I really believe if she would improve her game she has the speed strength and raw talent to win more majors and be top 5 easy.
You're right!! There's no reason V isn't winning Slams. But this has been the case for years.... hopefully someday she'll actually do something about it. ;)

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:30 AM
They were pretty bad as usual, but one thing Tracy said that stuck with me was that Vee really needs to go out and find someone to help her improve her forehand and her serve. There is no excuse for what we saw tonight, for a player as talented as Vee there is no excuse for not fixing her game. I really believe if she would improve her game she has the speed strength and raw talent to win more majors and be top 5 easy.
yeah but she may never and we may have these moments for the rest of her career it's in Venus' hands..

I don't mind that comment because it was/is constructive but the "no aura", "don't fear anymore" comments are frankly useless and pointless. :sad:

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Lindsay won the second set 6-2 while Venus won the second set 6-3 . Venus lost a game more than Lindsay so that means .................................................. .............nothing :) :haha: *dead

Butchwax
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Muckity Muck UP!!! :fiery:

If they say "the fear is nolonger there for the other players" or "They nolonger think she's invincible...blah blah blah", one more time.. :shout:

Ok we get it....We got it the first hundred times it was said. Can you now think of something else to say? Do you have anything to say about the points of the actual match? :rolleyes:


Tracy is right on the money. Not only is no one afraid of the Williams sisters anymore they canít even hold a post press conference that makes any sense. I think she sounded punchy just like Serena did after loosing being taken to school by Maria.
No, Iím afraid Tracy is telling it just how it is.

gweeny
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:33 AM
They were pretty bad as usual, but one thing Tracy said that stuck with me was that Vee really needs to go out and find someone to help her improve her forehand and her serve. There is no excuse for what we saw tonight, for a player as talented as Vee there is no excuse for not fixing her game. I really believe if she would improve her game she has the speed strength and raw talent to win more majors and be top 5 easy.
That was the only smart thing Tracy said all night. Her forehand is sooooooooo bad, it is annoying to watch it dumped into the net. I don't know much about playing tennis, but if it is a technique that can be fixed, then why don't you get an expert.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:34 AM
Yes, because serving/being broken 3 times for the set *IS* more respectable than a 9-7 tiebreaker.... :shrug:

I don't get your logic to paint your faves tiebreak win as "better", sorry.

Like I said, Venus wasn't playing well tonight and she should not have been broken as much as she did, but she won didn't she?

tennisiscool
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:34 AM
Like I said, Venus wasn't playing well tonight and she should not have been broken as much as she did, but she won didn't she?
and so did Lindsay who you had predicted to lose to Bovina :)

GoSandrine
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:35 AM
Bring back Bud and Mary!!! :drink:

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:36 AM
Bring back Bud and Mary!!! :drink:
I really like Bud with his cooky self and atrocious pants...:eek: :dance: :yeah:

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:36 AM
Tracy is right on the money. Not only is no one afraid of the Williams sisters anymore they canít even hold a post press conference that makes any sense. I think she sounded punchy just like Serena did after loosing being taken to school by Maria.
No, Iím afraid Tracy is telling it just how it is.

She also told us that Sharapova was playing very well, but who is in thr fourth round and who is out of the singles competition?

BTW, why did anyone have to be afraid of the sisters anymore. If the others played with more confidence previously, they would have better results against the sisters.

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:37 AM
That was the only smart thing Tracy said all night. Her forehand is sooooooooo bad, it is annoying to watch it dumped into the net. I don't know much about playing tennis, but if it is a technique that can be fixed, then why don't you get an expert.
Exactly. I did not even mind that comment, because it is true. However, the constant repeating of the same thing got on my nerves. The aura crap was driving me crazy. Ted and Tracy did not even talk about the match and tell you what Venus needed to do or what Chanda needed to do. It was like two gossipy teenagers behind the booth making negative comments every other point.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:37 AM
and so did Lindsay who you had predicted to lose to Bovina :)
So I was wrong aobut that, but I was right about this match and the Maria/Mary match.

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:39 AM
So I was wrong aobut that, but I was right about this match and the Maria/Mary match.
And I was right about the Kostanic/Sprem match.....

Black Mamba.
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:39 AM
Aura and all that crap doesn't mean crap if you can't hit basic shots to win. Vee and Serena use to win not so much because of fear, but because they were way more consistant and their shots didn't break down as much. It is almost sad when all players have to do is wait and let you miss. I watched Serena's match and no offense but her opponent wasn't doing anything special she was just getting lots of shots back and let Serena self destruct.

switz
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:40 AM
maybe if Chanda had played some tennis worth watching she would've won the match? :o

Now are you happy? Is that what you wanted? :)

well i completely expected you to say something stupid like that. it's funny how you and many other fans can go on about how venus is playing crap blah blah blah but then as soon as a non hardcore fan (by no means a 'hater') says it you attack a completely unrelated player.

sure it's annoying but the reality is that all commentators all around the world repeat themselves. it's not just tracy saying venus has lost her 'aura' - the australians are saying it repeatedly as well. they did the same with sharapova at wimbledon with her background and the same with venus and serena when they first broke on tour. most of them aren't the greatest linguists the world have ever seen and they just say those sort of things over and over again because they have nothing else to say. i'm simply saying that if venus played well it might give them a chance to be positive.

anyway i'm really not in the mood for an argument with you because they never get anywhere so bye.

ps. chanda's tennis was a million times more entertaining.

Tratree
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:40 AM
Ted and Tracy do need a major dose of STFU most of the time. However, my issue is what the HELL was Venus smoking when she said this was the best she had played since her injury? Did I misunderstand her? Cuz that was not a benchmark match. She won the big points and made it through, but it was a bit on the ugly side.

"Topaz"
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:41 AM
Be prepared; Tracy will do the same thing again next time Venus or Serena plays. I remember one season not long ago, as regards Seles, Tracy kept on talking and talking about the stabbing as if it happened the day before. I dunno if it's due to lack of material or research, whenever she puts her hand on something, she hangs on and on to it untill she drives you nuts. And her nasal voice doesn't help either.

spokenword73
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:41 AM
Venus has had other coaches, (Billie Jean, Zina Garrison). She is a grown woman, if
she and Serena wanted another coach I am sure they would have had one by now.
What do they have, ten GS between them? What the heck would another coach do, get them ten more? The only thing the two dumbell commentators said tonite that made any sense was perhaps the death of Yetunde is bothering the sisters more than we know.:sad:

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Ted and Tracy do need a major dose of STFU most of the time. However, my issue is what the HELL was Venus smoking when she said this was the best she had played since her injury? Did I misunderstand her? Cuz that was not a benchmark match. She won the big points and made it through, but it was a bit on the ugly side.
I don't think she said she played well. I think she said this was the first time she felt normal on the court. I think she meant physically but that's a guess.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:45 AM
Ted and Tracy do need a major dose of STFU most of the time. However, my issue is what the HELL was Venus smoking when she said this was the best she had played since her injury? Did I misunderstand her? Cuz that was not a benchmark match. She won the big points and made it through, but it was a bit on the ugly side.
Venus never said that this was her best match; I belive that she said she was satisfied with pulling out a win when her back was against the wall because let's face it; a few months ago, she would not have had a win like this, even agiainst a top twenty player like Chanda.

GoSandrine
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:45 AM
Ted and Tracy do need a major dose of STFU most of the time. However, my issue is what the HELL was Venus smoking when she said this was the best she had played since her injury? Did I misunderstand her? Cuz that was not a benchmark match. She won the big points and made it through, but it was a bit on the ugly side.
I completely agree with you. That was a very odd comment by Venus. :confused:

I guess she needs to keep thinking positively about her game or Lindsay will make quick work of her. Either that or she's in denial.

GoSandrine
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:46 AM
I believe she said she was playing as well as she had when she was at her best. Ok. will somebody please roll back the tape? :p

harloo
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Venus did not say she was satisfied with the way she played tonight. She said this was the first time she felt normal and that was injury related.

She is not in denial about the way she performed tonight. :rolleyes:

Black Mamba.
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:49 AM
Tracy and Ted keep talking about aura and invincibility, but if I recall Vee and Serena won because they could hit shots consistently and their shots didn;t break down as much. Last time I checked aura and invincibility didn;t improve your forehand or serve

switz
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:49 AM
i just thought and to be honest i don't think she played that poorly. she had bad patches but i found it a pretty decent match to watch. i do think chanda played a very aggressive match and she just needed to volley a bit better and get some more free points on her serve. venus played the big points well tonight and that isn't something she has done very much lately. it wasn't great, but i saw signs that she was getting back. i think chanda played a game that surprised venus a bit as well because she basically said to her "if you miss a serve i'm attacking on every point and you'll have to beat me". it could have been much closer if chanda broke for 4-1 or venus didn't make that backhand at 4-3 in the tiebreak so i think she did well.

mr dude
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:49 AM
yep, those two white ppl are annoying as hell. why don't they get a sista or a brotha in da boof? lol

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:51 AM
well i completely expected you to say something stupid like that. it's funny how you and many other fans can go on about how venus is playing crap blah blah blah but then as soon as a non hardcore fan (by no means a 'hater') says it you attack a completely unrelated player.

sure it's annoying but the reality is that all commentators all around the world repeat themselves. it's not just tracy saying venus has lost her 'aura' - the australians are saying it repeatedly as well. they did the same with sharapova at wimbledon with her background and the same with venus and serena when they first broke on tour. most of them aren't the greatest linguists the world have ever seen and they just say those sort of things over and over again because they have nothing else to say. i'm simply saying that if venus played well it might give them a chance to be positive.

anyway i'm really not in the mood for an argument with you because they never get anywhere so bye.

ps. chanda's tennis was a million times more entertaining.
First off you're completely wrong if you think Tracy wasn't going to say that numerous times even if Venus came out and played fantastic.

If that was all you were simply saying then why didn't you say it like that as opposed to a snide comment? :shrug:

Stefwhit
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Tracy is right on the money. Not only is no one afraid of the Williams sisters anymore they canít even hold a post press conference that makes any sense. I think she sounded punchy just like Serena did after loosing being taken to school by Maria.
No, Iím afraid Tracy is telling it just how it is.
It's not a matter of whether you agree with her or not. To me, the bigger issue is that there isn't another viewpoint being represented. As tennis fans, we are subject to the same narrow-minded views and after a while they tend to get tired. I'm sorry but Tracy is a hater, unless of course the topic is Maria Sharapova... :rolleyes: Trust me my friend, it's no coincidence that if your a fan of Maria's then you're probably a fan of Tracy.

Funny thing about Tracy and Maria- Take away making it to number one, I see them having very similar careers.

FYI... I'm not even a Venus fan, but all the sudden I find myself really rooting for her. I think this is the very first time I ever wanted Venus to beat Lindsay- can't wait to hear what they'd say about that, hopefully we'll find out.

Kabezya
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:56 AM
Tracy and Ted keep talking about aura and invincibility, but if I recall Vee and Serena won because they could hit shots consistently and their shots didn;t break down as much. Last time I checked aura and invincibility didn;t improve your forehand or serve

Exactly.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:56 AM
Tracy's new name should be Tracy "broken record" Austin..:p

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:02 AM
Tracy and Ted keep talking about aura and invincibility, but if I recall Vee and Serena won because they could hit shots consistently and their shots didn;t break down as much. Last time I checked aura and invincibility didn;t improve your forehand or serve
hmmm, maybe they don't think Venus and Serena won on talent but on people being scared? Remember how they use to talk about how the girls were intimidated and insinuating that their wins were partially due to this like this was exclusive to a Williams' sister. Like people playing Monica, or Steffi, or Hingis in their height weren't intimidated. :rolleyes:

mykarma
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:08 AM
this was the first time I almost cut the volume off...I mean between Venus' making me want to pull my hair and hearing that useless comment over and over was becoming too much for me..:scared:I watched the match, but had the talking heads on mute. I couldn't take it any more.

Lemonskin.
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:09 AM
Living in Australia we don't get the commentary that most of you guys do... we get bloody Mark Woodforde. It sucks! We used to have Tony Trabert (who was an american) and he was cool. Always informed, informative, and unbiased. Woodforde massively takes sides and it's annoying.

We also have Kerryn Pratt, Fred Stolle and John Newcombe who are pretty good.

mykarma
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:10 AM
Yes, because serving/being broken 3 times for the set *IS* more respectable than a 9-7 tiebreaker.... :shrug:

I don't get your logic to paint your faves tiebreak win as "better", sorry.I didn't get that from her post but I've been known to be wrong.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:17 AM
I didn't get that from her post but I've been known to be wrong.
What I meant was Venus caused her own problems by making silly mistakes (she had three chances to close out the set), but notice when she really needed to close out the match, she did it at 7-4 in the tiebreak, not 9-7, 8-6, 10-8...

The same in the second set. When she broke back, she won the game (and match) at either love or 15.

Jarrett
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:25 AM
Where is Pam with you need her?

(yes, I went there. :lol: :tape: )

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:33 AM
Living in Australia we don't get the commentary that most of you guys do... we get bloody Mark Woodforde. It sucks! We used to have Tony Trabert (who was an american) and he was cool. Always informed, informative, and unbiased. Woodforde massively takes sides and it's annoying.

We also have Kerryn Pratt, Fred Stolle and John Newcombe who are pretty good.
I think the tennis channel has good neutral commentators...They are kind of boring but they try to concentrate on the actual match and they are way more neutral in their commentary.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:34 AM
Where is Pam with you need her?

(yes, I went there. :lol: :tape: )
Pam can make you hot there's no doubt about it but she's not nearly as broken a record as Tracy. Pam may say the same thing every match but she doesn't say it over and over just once or twice. ;)

Jarrett
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:40 AM
LOL, I agree about the TTC commentators being neutral. Katrina Adams is okay, but gets a little too excited when some hits a winner. I mean how many times can she say "WHOA!" loudy into the mic. Corina was pretty good too.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:44 AM
LOL, I agree about the TTC commentators being neutral. Katrina Adams is okay, but gets a little too excited when some hits a winner. I mean how many times can she say "WHOA!" loudy into the mic. Corina was pretty good too.
lol, no doubt TTC commentators have their own issues but I think they are improving...and neutrality is a good place to build from. :)

Infiniti2001
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Screw Tracy :tape: If it were one of her pet players, she'd be going on about how well she was doing in spite of injuries and her sister's murder and how BRAVE she was :rolleyes:

Tratree
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:04 AM
If Venus said it was the best she felt or most comfortable, then cool. I thought she was saying it was the best she had played. I had it on the TV, but I wasn't paying full attention, so I was like "Whuh???"

WF4EVER
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:18 AM
You'll have to forgive Ted; he goes whichever way the sewage is flowing.

As for that Trautwig guy in the studio. Can he know any less about tennis? The fucker last night wouldn't stop calling Serena Venus; when he was advertising Roger vs Baghdatis he's saying you'll see the big serve of Andy Roddick. His knowledge of tennis is really near zero.

BTW do the people at USA think they're doing Andy a favour by always announcing him and his big serve. Is that really all the game that he's got? Geez.

Wenddy
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:19 AM
Venus won and that's good. Did anyone hear what Tracy said, that Serena made so many unforced e and she did not know how t construct points. Tracy is a real bitch. I remember her in 97 US Open, I taped all of Venus matches, and she really saying things about Venus at that time, that would you dislike her, Venus was just 17 years old, like Marie. The difference in Tracy comments then about Venus and now about Marie, tells the story about America.

vettipooh
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:36 AM
You really have to pity commentators like Tracy(and Pam,and MJF).Bottom line--they don't like the sisters and will use every opportunity to convince the other players and themselves, that blah blah, about aura,invincibility and domination.They know every player is back at their hotel room watching and waiting(regardless of what Lindsay said) for one of the sisters to fall.Once she starts mouthing that crap, I simply turn my vol. to mute.More enjoyable that way!!!!!

samn
Sep 5th, 2004, 09:18 AM
hmmm, maybe they don't think Venus and Serena won on talent but on people being scared? Remember how they use to talk about how the girls were intimidated and insinuating that their wins were partially due to this like this was exclusive to a Williams' sister. Like people playing Monica, or Steffi, or Hingis in their height weren't intimidated. :rolleyes:

Where were you in 1990-91 when Graf kept losing and all any commentator would ever say was that the other players who used to be terrified of playing (and being beaten 1 and 0 by) Graf were no longer scared of her. Oh, and there were numerous mentions of how she had lost that intimidation factor especially after Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario said "We're not scared of Steffi anymore." The same thing happened to Navratilova after her period of domination. All she had to do was lose a couple of matches, and you'd have all the "experts" saying she was no longer the player she used to be.

Pamela Shriver
Sep 5th, 2004, 10:17 AM
Will somebody please tell Tracy and Ted to Shut the
OOooo let me tell Tracy! Ooo let me!

bandabou
Sep 5th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Hmmm....Tracy better focus on how the annointed greatest ever by her: Maria Sharapova couldnīt get past the third round and had to play three-setters in ALL her matches. THAT is what tracy needs to explain.

We already know the sisters suck. That ainīt news..all they do: is keep winning.

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 5th, 2004, 10:55 AM
Ted and Tracy do need a major dose of STFU most of the time. However, my issue is what the HELL was Venus smoking when she said this was the best she had played since her injury? Did I misunderstand her? Cuz that was not a benchmark match. She won the big points and made it through, but it was a bit on the ugly side.
Venus didn't say it was the best she's played!!!! She said it's the most NORMAL she's felt since her return from injuries and there's been alot of obstacles in her way but she's just fighting through them. Maybe she meant she felt like her old powerful self, and it could be true cause she did pound 37 winners. But her serve was just off and her forehand let her down at times. If Venus says that's the most normal she's felt, then I believe her. :hearts: :kiss: :hearts: :kiss:

We don't know the full extent of what Venus and Serena have gone through, and to listen to thoose fuckers go on and on about how they've lost their aura and that players are no longer intimidated is just fucking annoying :( :mad:.

SerialKiller#69
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:33 AM
I just hate the talk about the "aura" being gone and whatnot because it implies that the other players simply didn't believe in themselves, and that Venus and Serena won only on intimidation. That type of talk always takes away from all involved.

You have to admit though, the 'intimidation' factor also helped them a lot. Because of that said aura of Williams' Domination, the sisters' opponents were believed to have already lost their matches even before they set foot on court. Even though the sisters weren't playing that well, they still manage to get through. But now, the sisters are constantly pushed, challenged, forced to uplift the level of their play. Thanks to some players who showed that "NO" player is invincible, and that each player has some sore spots to attack at.

bandabou
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:37 AM
Itīs cool though...the more they get tested the better they will become. Come on, bring it on.....they can handle it.

adidas11
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:48 AM
Although I agree with some of the anti-Tracy comments and find her repetitive at times, I actually do enjoy her as she brings her own perspective and insights to the game. To her credit, she did mention ( I believe during the Venus / Chanda match) the Williams sister's loss of their older sister, and how it's been largely untalked about, discussed in the media. It's an interesting point to bring up, as it undoubtedly has affected them in ways we can't even imagine. It is said that it takes about a year (or even 2) to really get over a loved one's death. Here they were, injured and having lost a sister, and everyone just expected them to return mentally and physically the same (or even better).

Bright Red
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:38 PM
The loss of aura statements didn't really bother me. What bothered me is that they really didn't have anything nice to say about Venus...at all. And while they were very kind to Chanda when talking about the tournaments/Challenges she funded with her own money, they gave Venus no love.

And to add salt to injury, Ted makes a stupid remark about Venus' comments in her on-court interview after the match. If they're on today, I'm going to treat them like I do McEnroe and mute the TV.

Joana
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:46 PM
ok, you win!! Please don't turn this into a figure out Lizchris logic thread please! :p
I would, but there's no http://www.wtaworld.com/ubb/icons/icon4.gif next to the thread title, so I'm not inspired.

V-MAC
Sep 5th, 2004, 01:50 PM
Ye guys should switch to Sky Sports :) at least the comentators there aren't really annoying and repetitive.

maccardel
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:03 PM
Tracy is right on the money. Not only is no one afraid of the Williams sisters anymore they canít even hold a post press conference that makes any sense. I think she sounded punchy just like Serena did after loosing being taken to school by Maria.
No, Iím afraid Tracy is telling it just how it is.But what about Maria/Mary match where it seems like Mary was a new and upcomer and Maria was the veteran. I mean for crying out loud, the commentators seem to write you off after an injury or if you are not in the top 10, when they should be smarter to know that when you come back from injury, the player is suddenly replaced with players who were out there playing while they are rehabilitating. There is no common sense when some of these commentators open their mouths. There is none what so ever and it something that I have come to accept just like I accept that every match is not going to be entertaining and perfect tennis. I have also come to accept that every player is still human and when their adreline is rushing after a match, they are going to say somethings that would make wonder, but it is like the player won't have time to think about what they are really going to say.

But commentators who would have time to prepare for a match should actually write notes down and know what to say to pass time between play, and those two do not sound like they write anything down, instead ti sounds like they are reading from the same notes and repeating the same thing over and over, it's not my fault that Tracy and Ted didn't get a writer for their commentating, instead they were stuck with a teleprompter that repeated the same lines over and over.

Either you want to be a commentator or not, those two sometimes seem like they are attacking each other and it makes for good tv in this reality tv age, but it also makess them seem so amateurish and unprofessional. Especially Ted always putting Tracy down, I mean what is that?

But Tracy doesn't help things much because instead of trying to dictate the broadcast like Mary Jo or Mary Carillo would do, instead she is always double faulting against Ted with her not remaining quiet to his stupid comments. What she should do is to not respond even when he sound like he is talking to her, maybe then he would take a second to really focus on himself and those stupid comments and in the process will bring a different approach to the booth.

Like players have different styles, so should the commentators, but this is one doubles that is not working, too bad the big suits are in the backroom wondering what to do now that Maria S was eliminated.

I am still pissed that every night I came home from work, and instead of seeing Venus, I see Maria. Despite the fact that venus was the feature match. To think that a year ago, we were wondering why foreign players were not being shown on american tv as much, and now on a sat. afternoon where the number one female player is playing an american and the match is not shown instead we get to see Maria and Mary two foreign players play.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:11 PM
The loss of aura statements didn't really bother me. What bothered me is that they really didn't have anything nice to say about Venus...at all. And while they were very kind to Chanda when talking about the tournaments/Challenges she funded with her own money, they gave Venus no love.

And to add salt to injury, Ted makes a stupid remark about Venus' comments in her on-court interview after the match. If they're on today, I'm going to treat them like I do McEnroe and mute the TV.

That's typical and I was not surprised.

Tracy even called the match sloppy, which at times it was, but when you look at Venus' final stats, they were not that bad to be honest with you, but don't tell Tracy that.

WF4EVER
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:46 PM
I am in agreement about the stats not looking bad at all but having watched the match I really would've expected that they were much worse.

The 37 winners struck by venus was a real surprise to me and her service percentages weren't too bad, but again, watching the match you wouldn't have thought that.

Stefwhit
Sep 5th, 2004, 07:43 PM
I am in agreement about the stats not looking bad at all but having watched the match I really would've expected that they were much worse.

The 37 winners struck by venus was a real surprise to me and her service percentages weren't too bad, but again, watching the match you wouldn't have thought that.
Next time try watching the match with the MUTE button on. The power of suggestion can alter perception and that's my biggest gripe with Ted and Tracy.

I don't mind them offering their view and opinions, believe it or not I appreciate their perspectives- I would just love to hear differing views being represented because for everyone that agrees with Tracy there's someone disagreeing. A lot of the women announcers (in the States) seem to have personal feelings that really taint their commentary. I'm not the only person that picks up on feelings of resentment towards both Serena and Venus, and comparing apples to apples, the criticisms that they recieve are a lot more harsh than most other players. Everyone has their own biases- I'm cool with that, at the very least, Tracy and Mary Carrilo aren't fake. They don't try to pretend like they're fans of Vee and Serena, on the other hand do they have to be so obvious about it?