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lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:15 AM
Please go get Lindsay in the next round!

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:17 AM
I expected Venus would win this match. I didn't think it'd be so ugly. But she's really going to have to cut down the errors if she wants to get to the quarterfinals.

thelittlestelf
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:18 AM
What a hideous match. HIDEOUS! Although, I'm glad Vee picked up her game ever so slightly at the end. And I'm also glad she ended the last set with a 40-15 hold instead of going to like 48392049032 deuces!

Her forehand... good God. Just dumping easy forehands into the net or sending them like 10 feet long.

Anyway, she will REALLY have to pick up against Lindsay who is playing great if she wants to make a run here.

But anyway, although it wasn't a great match, you made it through and I'm proud of you as always Vee!
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lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:19 AM
I expected Venus would win this match. I didn't think it'd be so ugly. But she's really going to have to cut down the errors if she wants to get to the quarterfinals.
I agree with that, but the match wasn't as bad a Tracy made it out to be. The differential in Venus' winners/UE's was -9 (37-46, I think). Tracy's darling, Maria, made about the same amount of UE's. The difference: Venus is still in the tournament and just bumped her down to number seven in the Champions race.

tennisiscool
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:20 AM
I expected Venus would win this match. I didn't think it'd be so ugly. But she's really going to have to cut down the errors if she wants to get to the quarterfinals.
:lol: you forgot , I was right !!!!

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:21 AM
I wasn't really paying much attention to Tracy, but it was pretty crap in terms of quality. But, Venus wins and she'll go against Lindsay now.

fammmmedspin
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:22 AM
Why on earth was chanda net rushing? She can beat Venus in a rally - her forehand was better and Venus has yet to show she can either rally very long or keep on going for 3 sets without breakingdown. Why end it quickly when you gain from making the points and the match longer and when Venus's balls keep on shooting by you with "stay back" written on them?

CJ07
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:23 AM
I actually rather Venus play crap now, than play crap later.

Because those 6-1 6-1 wins followed by losses strategy didn't work

ico4498
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:25 AM
Vee!

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:26 AM
Why on earth was chanda net rushing? She can beat Venus in a rally - her forehand was better and Venus has yet to show she can either rally very long or keep on going for 3 sets without breakingdown. Why end it quickly when you gain from making the points and the match longer and when Venus's balls keep on shooting by you with "stay back" written on them?
Venus' backhand is better and that was the difference in the match, I think.

QuicKyMonSter
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:27 AM
chanda:sad:

GoSandrine
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Too bad for Chanda who had chances in both sets but couldn't come up with the goods when she needed to. :sad: She obviously still has some rust to shake off but she did crack some sensational winners which is a good sign. :) :hug:

Congrats Vee :kiss: She'll definitely need to pick up her game and cut down the UEs if she expects to beat Lindsay.

Black Mamba.
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:32 AM
I really think Vee needs to improve her game by hiring a new coach to help with her forehand and serve. Vee is way to talented to struggle in every match, with her speed, strength, shot making ability there is no reason why she shouldn't win more, but her serve and forehand are such liabilities that they cost her matches.

raquel
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:34 AM
Why on earth was chanda net rushing? She can beat Venus in a rally - her forehand was better and Venus has yet to show she can either rally very long or keep on going for 3 sets without breakingdown. Why end it quickly when you gain from making the points and the match longer and when Venus's balls keep on shooting by you with "stay back" written on them?
I agree, did she have a death wish? There were times when she was running in after anything, even to the Venus backhand. When she rallied and kept it deep to Venus's forehand, she was getting errors.

I think Venus is doing well to win a match like that despite all the errors. It really is down to Venus - hits errors like tonight and it's close or cut down errors and she would win pretty easy. Errors kept Chanda close, and her net rushing didn't help her when she should have played for more errors by hitting deep to the forehand.

treiber04
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:36 AM
I just love all this credit for Chanda :rolleyes:

"Topaz"
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:47 AM
Chanda was playing the net very well, and that really bothered Venus. Davey won't be able to do that.

Good win, Vee.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:49 AM
I just love all this credit for Chanda :rolleyes:
No one is saying that Chanda didn't play well, especially at the net where she is better than Venus anyway, but let's face it, when Venus needed to win crucial points in the second set, she did it and that is why she won the match.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:51 AM
Chanda was playing the net very well, and that really bothered Venus. Davey won't be able to do that.

Good win, Vee.
Another thing I saw in Lindsay/Elena B. match that Lindsay may have a problem with Venus is if Venus will be able to make big first serves. Lindsay had a problem at times with trying to return some of Elena B.'s first serves.

Janet
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:56 AM
Man you guys are so hard on venus, some of you guys sound just like annoying tracy she has to find a ne w coach people give it up both sisters won't find another coach, and why should they you all forget who bought them to them TOP (Mom & Dad)......and if I was in their shoes I would not give up my parents for no one else......Because they have done damn good in the game of tennis even if they are not dominated any more so what they still have done damn good.............so that topic is getting boring, yes I know she had a hard fight with Chanda but she came out with a win be happy for her know she will move on to hot lindsay we will all see the out come, so I will be cheering on my girl VENUS all the way!!

mykarma
Sep 5th, 2004, 03:58 AM
I agree with that, but the match wasn't as bad a Tracy made it out to be. The differential in Venus' winners/UE's was -9 (37-46, I think). Tracy's darling, Maria, made about the same amount of UE's. The difference: Venus is still in the tournament and just bumped her down to number seven in the Champions race.Tracy is so annoying I watched the match on mute. You'd think she was the best that ever played the game.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:02 AM
Tracy is so annoying I watched the match on mute. You'd think she was the best that ever played the game.

I put it on mute when Venus was serving, because they had something shitty to say every time she served, even when she was serving for the match.:rolleyes:

esquímaux
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:04 AM
Great tourney fore Chanda; at least compared to last year's fiasco. The draw looked workable leading up to this match, and thankfully Chanda won a couple rounds. It's a shame she had to lose to that, but of course Venus was expected to win the match. Rubin had moments of brilliance and eventually fizzled out. Good luck with her knee and such (the commentators mentioned that another operation is being considered for this fall; interesting to see whether Chanda packs it up or goes through another rehab). Credit to Venus for tightening up on the errors and letting Chanda choke away the 2nd set. Good luck next round Lindsay.

lizchris
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:06 AM
I am really surprise that you guys did not make comments about Vee's post match interview but then again most of you guys here are 17 or younger and probably that comment went right over your heads. That comment she made said it all.

To me, she seemd very happyn to have dug down deep for the victory when she let it slip away by having her serve broken.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:27 AM
I am really surprise that you guys did not make comments about Vee's post match interview but then again most of you guys here are 17 or younger and probably that comment went right over your heads. That comment she made said it all.
What do you think she meant cause I don't really know?

esquímaux
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:28 AM
Well she beat Chanda again, so I guess that's normal?

VeraNuVirgosFan
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:30 AM
Keep it going all the way, Venus!!

(I saw this match live on TV from 5-5 in the 1st set; and this was the 1st match I saw from this US Open).

Kabezya
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:33 AM
What do you think she meant cause I don't really know?

I took it as emotion. I haven't seen this Venus in a long time. I think that was some of the pre-injury stuff she may have been talking about. During the match, that's what got me the most excited and believing that Venus would pull it out.

tennnisfannn
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:35 AM
Will someone please tell me what Venus said in her interview?

Smackie
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:39 AM
She is playing ...ok. It's better to play crap in this match and won and reflect on the errors than winning it 6-0 6-1 and too late to think when Lindsay powering down winner after winner. Though, her forehand has left much to be desired....

GO VENUS!

vettipooh
Sep 5th, 2004, 04:51 AM
Great win for Vee.Huge confidence booster.All hail to Chanda for giving her a workout and a run for her money.......but as much as I like and support Vee's efforts, that kind of sloppy and erratic play is NOT going to work against Lindsay. She needs to work on that first serve real hard tomorrow and get her game together,otherwise she'll have me singing the blues.

WF4EVER
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:02 AM
Although Venus was down 1-4 against Uberoi in the previous round she played a good match thereafter to get the win. The only real problem I had with her in that match was her failure to convert on her bp chances.

This match against Chanda was GHASTLY. Oh, sure, she hit some nice forehands but she missed ten times as many and she made no adjustments (as Serena did versus Golovin) to make sure that forehand would stop going into the net. She said some time ago that she prefers to hit it long than into the net. Well, in that case, she's right back where she started.

Venus served for the first set THREE times! OMG! That was pathetic. Three times you can't hold serve??? In fact she lost her serve four times in a row, from her first attempt to win the set to her first service game of the second set. I wasn't too alarmed about her getting broken early because I knew she would have a lot of opportunities to break Chandra's serve, but I worried that she wouldn't be able to hold her serve even if she broke.

Venus still has some serious issues with her game. I know she'd like to think all she needs is to be injury-free but she's fooling herself and a lot of other folks, too.

I saw bits of Lindsay's last two matches and I've seen some chinks in the armour. She doesn't like being challenged, and frankly, Venus that played Chanda will offer no challenge to Lindsay.

I really wouldn't be surprised if she gets from Lindsay what Serena got in the Acura(?) final; a total blow-out.

Venus' game has a long way to go, especially in the area of consistency. Against Uberoi she was very steady but against Chanda she was very erratic. And credit to Chanda, she played a good game but made some very untimely errors. Lindsay knows Venus' game inside out and will exploit her weaknesses mercilessly. At 12-12, she knows this is her chance to whip Venus again, and perhaps retire with that advantage intact.

If Venus beats Lindsay I would be truly shocked; I have no faith in her. Anyone who fails to admit that she had a weakness that needs strengthening is in serious denial. Venus' failure to seek assistance for her severely lacking forehand suggests to me that she does not want to be her best. I heard Tracy saying how hard she was working and how much she wants to get better; I'm not convinced that she does.

To her credit she has not lost either of the tie-breakers she found herself in this tournament and in this match she held serve to win it. Now if she could only sharpen up that forehand she'd stand such a better chance of beating the people she's used to beating.

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Man you guys are so hard on venus, some of you guys sound just like annoying tracy she has to find a ne w coach people give it up both sisters won't find another coach, and why should they you all forget who bought them to them TOP (Mom & Dad)......and if I was in their shoes I would not give up my parents for no one else......Because they have done damn good in the game of tennis even if they are not dominated any more so what they still have done damn good.............so that topic is getting boring, yes I know she had a hard fight with Chanda but she came out with a win be happy for her know she will move on to hot lindsay we will all see the out come, so I will be cheering on my girl VENUS all the way!!
Whatever. Look I'm a diehard fan and I will be cheering but sloppy play is sloppy play. Lindsay is playing much much much better than venus at the moment which is why she beat her twice in a row this summer.

Venus has lost severe ground in her game all you have to do is watch the tapes of matches from 2001 2002 and even 2003 to see that she has lost several steps.

Maybe its her company, maybe its her boyfriend but whatever it is she is not doing well and needs to figure out the problem and address it. Her forehand is BAD BAD BAD and her second serve is crap.

She could get away with it before because her confidence was high and her other shots took slack off her weaker ones but when the confidence dips and the other shots get good not great her two weaknesses become glaringly apparent.

The fact is she will not win playing like she did tonight against lindsay no matter how much we want her to.

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:19 AM
Who the fuck cares whether you have faith in Venus or not as long as she and her family have faith in her then no one else matters. So that long drawn out thread of yours is useless. Save it for someone who cares.
you are an idot. it takes more than faith. You have to go out there and put the time in to train practice get better work on weaknesses do strength training etc etc.

havent you heard? God helps those who help themselves, remember?

esquímaux
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:27 AM
havent you heard? God helps those who help themselves, remember?
Bah, so that explains it.

WF4EVER
Sep 5th, 2004, 05:32 AM
Who the fuck cares whether you have faith in Venus or not as long as she and her family have faith in her then no one else matters. So that long drawn out thread of yours is useless. Save it for someone who cares.
If you don't like what I had to say........................ deal with it!

Sam L
Sep 5th, 2004, 08:00 AM
Let's go V

Chance
Sep 5th, 2004, 10:38 AM
Cybelle, well said!

Venus :) pity Venus vs Lindsay is only a fourth round match....

faste5683
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:03 AM
And how the hell do you know she's not doing that. jhh apparently does it but she was still taken to 3 sets twice in her matches. You goddamn so call fans can never be satisfy. If you do not like how she plays do not watch her plain and simple. You all keep talking the same shit each time she plays aren;t ya all tired of that repetitive garbage yet. I would have to say that you are the one who is the idot.

Well, maybe it's because "jhh" (Justine) is only playing her second tournament in 4 months?

Now, let's get back to Vee. Despite the glaring forehand problem (a hitch in the raquet- back motion), there were a lot of positives in this match.

1: Her backhand was killer :eek:

2: She served well when she needed to.

3: Her movement was fantastic. Both players were so quick about the court.

That first set was the most enjoyable women's effort I've seen at the Open so far.

:wavey:

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:09 AM
The thing is, every player has a rough day :rolleyes:. Tonight Venus was a bit off....does this mean that Lindsay will crucify her :confused:? Isn't it possible she will raise her level of play against the next opponent?