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Rtael
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:06 PM
Hey all....was just reading Ipek Senoglu's diary on her website and she had alot of bad things to say about the string of chinese challengers in the spring....

here's the excerpt


rushed back from China last Monday in order to make it to the qualies of Wimbledon Doubles. I played four tournaments in China, 25000-Beijing, 25000-Tongliao, 25000-Wulanhatoe and then 50000-Bejing.http://www.ipeksenoglu.com/images/focus.jpg
I had been to China for a week in November, 2003 for a tourny and had enjoyed my time. However, this last trip has been quite an experiance which I am delighted to survive! Its been a time of struggle, fights!!!, lies, cheating, getting a sick tummy, having the same dinner for 10 nights, running away from one spitting person and facing another.

Language was the biggest problem as most of the time when we had problems, the translators would not translate correctly. Maybe they were afraid of their superiors or just didnt get it. It felt like all the foreigners throughout the tournaments became closer and closer as this was the only way to survive and not lose our minds and patience, as they were very often both tested.

I have been playing professional tennis for 1.5 years now and I have not yet seen such unprofessional manners in tournaments as I did in these tournaments. I must admit though the last tournament was as good as a tourny could get in China, which I think was due to the professionalism of the referee.

During our struggle in China, we (the foreign players) had bad calls in favour of the Chinese players. To be fair, I thought this was normal as it happens everywhere in the world. Umpires just give the call in favour of that country's player when in doubt. However, what I witnessed in China was just unbearable. I had code violations awarded to me and, when asked why, the umpire would answer, "Because I want to" or "You said a bad word" when I hadn't! Basically it was our word against theirs and guess who won??? I remember in my quarterfinal match in Wulanhatoe, I had to play a let each time I won the point for long periods in the match. It was just horrible. I just find it sad as I dont think with this attitude they will get anywhere.

As days passed by with struggle, there was much worse than the bad calls. We have had players who were threatened with a knife, doctors who brought a band-aid when asked for ankle tape, no toilets or toilets you could not use due to unbearable dirt and smell. I remember once having to do it in the bushes as I had to play in the next ten mins.... ! I have had people spit on my court as I was playing and on my foot as I was walking on the street.. When one of the Chinese coaches was smoking in the indoor courts and I asked him politely not to, he inhaled and blew the smoke right into my face. I just could not believe how rude the men were to their women. You'd be in a queue or in an elevator and they'd just push you out of the way.. I guess this is nothing compared to the shock I had when I saw people spit onto the carpet in the lobby of the four star hotel we were staying in..

On the other hand, I met many smily faces on the streets. I guess China has a lot of learning to do until olympics.


http://www.ipeksenoglu.com/news.html#2

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:12 PM
:eek:

esquímaux
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:13 PM
Que horible :eek:! What can be done about this :scared::o?

jlamire
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:14 PM
Que horible :eek:! What can be done about this :scared::o?
Not a lot I'm afraid...that's the Great China!

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:15 PM
Wow

grmbl
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
wtf

GoDominique
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:23 PM
What the ...

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:36 PM
Que horible :eek:! What can be done about this :scared::o?
Easy, cancel these tournaments next year........
But I mean, if she wasnt satisfied with the conditions she played in, she could have left China right after she loses. You are in Asia now, and it'll happen. Hsieh once told me that in Korea the line judges are bad too. It's not like they are racist or anything, they just want their fav's to win. She is lucky that she is not calling the points by herself. Complain all she wants, there will always be people available to take her spot:).

FanDeJen
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:38 PM
a friend of mine told me something similar.. he says that even women spit ...everywhere! even inside buses, subway, hotels, etc...

Kart
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:40 PM
I've never been to China but I would imagine that it's always difficult to adapt when you're in a foreign country, particularly somewhere like China. Just because people act in a manner to which you're not accustomed doesn't make it wrong. If you don't like it, leave and don't go back.

rated_next
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:48 PM
Easy, cancel these tournaments next year........
But I mean, if she wasnt satisfied with the conditions she played in, she could have left China right after she loses. You are in Asia now, and it'll happen. Hsieh once told me that in Korea the line judges are bad too. It's not like they are racist or anything, they just want their fav's to win. She is lucky that she is not calling the points by herself. Complain all she wants, there will always be people available to take her spot:).
why should she have to leave early?? she planned her schedule and wanted to compete in a series of tournaments in china - saves money

anyway, i brought up this topic in the challenger forum

2ace2
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:50 PM
Maybe spitting is a sign that they like you in China ;)

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:00 PM
why should she have to leave early?? she planned her schedule and wanted to compete in a series of tournaments in china - saves money

anyway, i brought up this topic in the challenger forum
Oh yes....we know:).......And I believe us Chinese have explained all we needed to say there as well;).

rated_next
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:05 PM
you have ;)

GoDominique
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:14 PM
:cuckoo:

Rtael
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:16 PM
to Ipek Senoglu:

Shut up Bitch, you are exactly the kind of person that the world doesn't need. Stupid, whiney, ignorant and pretentious acting. If you're going to complain about it why play in the first place, these people are paying you to play tennis and all you do is bitch about them. I think you should be banned from playing tennis and it would probably be better for the world if you were banned from living.
:lol: Speaking of banned from living....


Anyway, anywhere else in the country I would agree but this a tennis tournament indirectily run by an international organization, and none of the players at an international event like this should be getting treated like shit. The WTA should have an official at each tournament not from the country the tourny is held in.

XaDavK_Kapri
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:18 PM
I wonder why I'm not surprised :shrug:

XaDavK_Kapri
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:20 PM
Easy, cancel these tournaments next year........
But I mean, if she wasnt satisfied with the conditions she played in, she could have left China right after she loses. You are in Asia now, and it'll happen. Hsieh once told me that in Korea the line judges are bad too. It's not like they are racist or anything, they just want their fav's to win. She is lucky that she is not calling the points by herself. Complain all she wants, there will always be people available to take her spot:).
Yeah, they want their faves to win! BIG FUCKING DEAL. They are supposed to be NEUTRAL employees. You can be patriotic all you want. Is that a reason to lose respect and all your judgement ? :cuckoo:

rated_next
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:21 PM
to Ipek Senoglu:

Shut up Bitch, you are exactly the kind of person that the world doesn't need. Stupid, whiney, ignorant and pretentious acting. If you're going to complain about it why play in the first place, these people are paying you to play tennis and all you do is bitch about them. I think you should be banned from playing tennis and it would probably be better for the world if you were banned from living.
OMG!!!!! :eek: :cuckoo:

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:27 PM
:lol: Speaking of banned from living....


Anyway, anywhere else in the country I would agree but this a tennis tournament indirectily run by an international organization, and none of the players at an international event like this should be getting treated like shit. The WTA should have an official at each tournament not from the country the tourny is held in.
This is the challenger we are talking about, most players call points themselves, sometimes even at 50K level.

GoDominique
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:30 PM
This is the challenger we are talking about, most players call points themselves, sometimes even at 50K level.
I was at a $10K last week and they had chair umpires who were calling points.

Pengwin
Sep 3rd, 2004, 11:31 PM
that's why he said 'sometimes'

Sharapova's_Boy
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:13 AM
OMG that's horrible. :eek:

esquímaux
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:19 AM
to Ipek Senoglu:

Shut up Bitch, you are exactly the kind of person that the world doesn't need. Stupid, whiney, ignorant and pretentious acting. If you're going to complain about it why play in the first place, these people are paying you to play tennis and all you do is bitch about them. I think you should be banned from playing tennis and it would probably be better for the world if you were banned from living.
Let me guess... you are either Chinese or one of the linesman ;)

GoldenSlam
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:39 AM
Let me guess... you are either Chinese or one of the linesman ;)I'm Chinese, but you dont have to be Chinese to not like that kind of attitude:).
Who likes a player who bitches all the time anyways, you can get up and leave, but you didnt, so be quiet:rolleyes:.

esquímaux
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:42 AM
I'm Chinese, but you dont have to be Chinese to not like that kind of attitude:).
Who likes a player who bitches all the time anyways, you can get up and leave, but you didnt, so be quiet:rolleyes:.
Be quiet Jack_Duckworth :ras:

ZAK
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:42 AM
I'm Chinese, but you dont have to be Chinese to not like that kind of attitude:).
Who likes a player who bitches all the time anyways, you can get up and leave, but you didnt, so be quiet:rolleyes:.
When someone spits on you and blows smoke in your face, you have a right to complain. Normal people don't do that to people

GoldenSlam
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:48 AM
When someone spits on you and blows smoke in your face, you have a right to complain. Normal people don't do that to peopleThen leave China and never come back, dont play there 4 weeks in a row and then complain. I'll give her Beijing, but 3 weeks in a place she doesnt like, that is a long time. And i dont like anyone bad mouthing China:o.
We are fun and loving too, but when you live under poverty, it's less easier...

ZAK
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Then leave China and never come back, dont play there 4 weeks in a row and then complain. I'll give her Beijing, but 3 weeks in a place she doesnt like, that is a long time. And i dont like anyone bad mouthing China:o.
We are fun and loving too, but when you live under poverty, it's less easier... So poverty gives you an excuse to be mean. This doesn't happen at the tournaments in Nigeria, and they are much poorer. Ipek is trying to make a living thats why she was there

GoldenSlam
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:00 AM
So poverty gives you an excuse to be mean. This doesn't happen at the tournaments in Nigeria, and they are much poorer. Ipek is trying to make a living thats why she was thereNot an excuse to be "mean", but a reason for the less than comfortable environment.And she is complaining about the calls she didnt get, maybe it's because they are not her calls in the first place, and she is just trying to find scapegoat to blame it on:rolleyes:.

I know there are places in China that can seem unlivable for Westerners, especially for some who travel around the world, but they should feel lucky that there are actually people in China that can pay to have these tournaments.
Instead of complaining, just enjoy the money, and dont come back next year.:o.

ashwu
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:10 AM
there are many foreigners live in china, and there are several big tournaments including the shanghai master cup located in china. sure some people will have some problem. and yes, there are some stupid spitters. but don't be bombastic! we have 1400000000 population and you can't expect they all have good manners. it's like you walk through a big city like new york, you can't guarantee you won't be robbed. i am just sick and tired to read people wrote 'i'm not surprise' or 'that's typical china'. come here yourself before you say something like that.
and you can see that girl got some welcome but only typed one line about it... i understand she's mad, and lean to complain instead to be fair. it's normal. but when you read this kind of stuff, don't take it so serious.

XaDavK_Kapri
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:15 AM
there are many foreigners live in china, and there are several big tournaments including the shanghai master cup located in china. sure some people will have some problem. and yes, there are some stupid spitters. but don't be bombastic! we have 1400000000 population and you can't expect they all have good manners. it's like you walk through a big city like new york, you can't guarantee you won't be robbed. i am just sick and tired to read people wrote 'i'm not surprise' or 'that's typical china'. come here yourself before you say something like that.
and you can see that girl got some welcome but only typed one line about it... i understand she's mad, and lean to complain instead to be fair. it's normal. but when you read this kind of stuff, don't take it so serious.
That's a better comment than a few of the posters here trying to defend China. I understand your point. Sorry if my comments have been rude, I guess I don't know your country as well as I should. But you guys don't make it look like we're welcome there... :shrug:

ashwu
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:22 AM
That's a better comment than a few of the posters here trying to defend China. I understand your point. Sorry if my comments have been rude, I guess I don't know your country as well as I should. But you guys don't make it look like we're welcome there... :shrug:
hehe, you are welcome here i'm sure. especially in big cities like beijing, we love to see our guests happy here:bounce:

Veritas
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:35 AM
However, this last trip has been quite an experiance which I am delighted to survive!

Interesting.

Its been a time of struggle, fights!!!, lies, cheating, getting a sick tummy, having the same dinner for 10 nights, running away from one spitting person and facing another.

Appalling.

Language was the biggest problem as most of the time when we had problems, the translators would not translate correctly. Maybe they were afraid of their superiors or just didnt get it.

Take note that there are many words in English that do not have a direct Chinese translation.

It felt like all the foreigners throughout the tournaments became closer and closer as this was the only way to survive and not lose our minds and patience, as they were very often both tested.

Compared to what the Japanese went through in the Asian Cup finals, Caucasian personnels had it easy.

I have been playing professional tennis for 1.5 years now and I have not yet seen such unprofessional manners in tournaments as I did in these tournaments.

China does not have a lot of experience with hosting international events. Cultural clashes are inevitable.

I must admit though the last tournament was as good as a tourny could get in China, which I think was due to the professionalism of the referee.

Hmm. I thought she did not enjoy the "biased" calls made by the referees.

During our struggle in China, we (the foreign players) had bad calls in favour of the Chinese players. To be fair, I thought this was normal as it happens everywhere in the world. Umpires just give the call in favour of that country's player when in doubt. However, what I witnessed in China was just unbearable. I had code violations awarded to me and, when asked why, the umpire would answer, "Because I want to" or "You said a bad word" when I hadn't! Basically it was our word against theirs and guess who won??? I remember in my quarterfinal match in Wulanhatoe, I had to play a let each time I won the point for long periods in the match. It was just horrible. I just find it sad as I dont think with this attitude they will get anywhere.

Indeed. These tournament organisers have a lot to learn.

As days passed by with struggle, there was much worse than the bad calls. We have had players who were threatened with a knife, doctors who brought a band-aid when asked for ankle tape, no toilets or toilets you could not use due to unbearable dirt and smell.

Disgraceful.

I remember once having to do it in the bushes as I had to play in the next ten mins.... !

I do not believe for a second that there are no toilets in China.

I have had people spit on my court as I was playing and on my foot as I was walking on the street..

These people do not represent the entire Chinese population as a whole. They are an ignorant minority.

When one of the Chinese coaches was smoking in the indoor courts and I asked him politely not to, he inhaled and blew the smoke right into my face. I just could not believe how rude the men were to their women. You'd be in a queue or in an elevator and they'd just push you out of the way..

I am not surprised. I find that Chinese men are generally more sexist than their Caucasian counterparts. However, I believe Caucasian women are generally treated worse than Chinese ones.

I guess this is nothing compared to the shock I had when I saw people spit onto the carpet in the lobby of the four star hotel we were staying in..

I do not believe this is common, especially in a four star hotel. Chinese authorities are generally very strict in controlling behaviour at wealthy places. They do not like to give the Chinese a bad name to foreigners. Caucasians especially.

I guess China has a lot of learning to do until olympics.

Do not be foolish. The CCP is not stupid. The whole world will be watching and China will not let anything bad happen to foreigners.

I must admit, the behaviour of the Chinese crowd at the Asian Cup finals towards the Japanese was disgraceful. I do not expect to see this kind of behaviour at Beijing '08.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:36 AM
I think Ipek complaining about the toilets was just a slight misunderstanding abd ignorance about the culture where she was staying. Apparently the toilet issue was in Wulanhonte (sp?), which is a verryyyy remote part of China right near Mongolia. I'm pretty sure the people there were used to toilets like that and it wasn't a big deal, while for a Westerner it would be a little shocking.

Everything else though, the spitting, shitty line calls, threatening a player with a KNIFE...all of that is just completely unacceptablle. Apparently all the non-Chinese players at the tournaments banded together and wrote a letter of complaint to the WTA...so either they just won't have the tournaments next year or there will be a WTA official there to supervise everything.

As far as the line calls...you do call your own lines for the most part at lower level tournaments, but if a player is screwing you over, you can have an UNBIASED referee come down and officiate the rest of the match. That's how it works right down to club level tournaments. It's pretty disgraceful when the hired officials are so biased towards their own countrywomen.

mr dude
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:43 AM
When someone spits on you and blows smoke in your face, you have a right to complain. Normal people don't do that to people
no you don't, it's not a democracy lol

ashwu
Sep 4th, 2004, 04:51 AM
Do not be foolish. The CCP is not stupid. The whole world will be watching and China will not let anything bad happen to foreigners.

I must admit, the behaviour of the Chinese crowd at the Asian Cup finals towards the Japanese was disgraceful. I do not expect to see this kind of behaviour at Beijing '08.
ccp again?:mad: you forget we are actually PEOPLE just like you who live here?!
and it's US who want to welcome the world to come here!!!

yeah football nuts... shame:tape: but that will only happen to japanese:devil: yeah, we still hate them:p they never regret what they have done to us.:mad: but if you are from other countries, it will be totally difference;) . look at the iraq football team, i'm sure they still miss china when they were in greece.

Veritas
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:04 AM
ccp again?:mad: you forget we are actually PEOPLE just like you who live here?!

I was referring to the CCP making it a national priority to clean up China so they can show off to the whole world how much China has advanced. I was not referring to the behaviour of the general population.

and it's US who want to welcome the world to come here!!!

The U.S. is not the only country jumping on to invest in China's red hot economy.

yeah football nuts... shame:tape: but that will only happen to japanese :devil:

I am not surprised. I find that many mainland Chinese people are very racist towards the Japanese.

yeah, we still hate them :p

I have met some Chinese people who do not share this hatred. However they are usually the ones who have been educated in the West.

they never regret what they have done to us. :mad:

You do not have any proof. It is true that the Japanese have not officially apologised or compensated for the crimes they committed in WWII. However, that is not to say that every single Japanese person on this planet do not regret or sympathise with the victims who have suffered.

but if you are from other countries, it will be totally difference ;)

What I saw at the Asian Cup made this obvious.

look at the iraq football team, i'm sure they still miss china when they were in greece.

I am sure the Iraqi team had a ball.

Hayato
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:09 AM
Well said Ipek!! :)

clonesheep
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:34 AM
I have some sympathy for Chinese people. They are great people who are victims of bad traditions that need reform. The cases of spiting on carpet and puffing smokes at a stranger's face are actually true and common, from what I heard. But people who have lived under an authoritarian rule for too long are inevitably reluctant to stand up and criticize any accepted social norms. At the end, everybody suffers. I think this will change when China becomes more democratic in the future.

esquímaux
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:36 AM
Well if it's like that, thank goodness the players got out before having their feet bound.

SerialKiller#69
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:45 AM
That's horrible. She made it sound like she's in an asylum.Freaky. :lol:

sarza
Sep 4th, 2004, 10:31 AM
thats nasty shit. I would moan if i was ipek too :mad:

Fantastic
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:48 PM
Good on Ipek for speaking out. However, that should not deter other players from visiting the country. They have to judge for themselves.

Veritas
Sep 4th, 2004, 03:57 PM
I have some sympathy for Chinese people.

I do not.

They are great people who are victims of bad traditions that need reform.

Chinese 'traditions' do not promote spitting or other such bad behaviour. Although I do believe a lot of work is needed to tone down the racism and improve gender relations.

The cases of spiting on carpet and puffing smokes at a stranger's face are actually true and common, from what I heard.

You heard wrong. It is not common. There are many peasants who do this occasionally. But overall not many Chinese people act so barbarically.

But people who have lived under an authoritarian rule for too long are inevitably reluctant to stand up and criticize any accepted social norms.

Indeed.

At the end, everybody suffers. I think this will change when China becomes more democratic in the future.

Democracy was never a part of China's past or present. It might very well not happen in the future. China's population is far too big for an effective democratic system to work.

sarza
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:37 PM
bump for evren :)

Tenisci
Sep 4th, 2004, 05:58 PM
all the people who says bitch and anythıng else are all all bitches. ıf there doesn't happen all these bad thıngs, she won't complaın. now shut up and clap for ıpek for reaching 3rd round in us open

sarza
Sep 4th, 2004, 06:01 PM
well said evren :D i will clap for ipek and of course her doubles partner LAURA for getting in the third round :D

Darop.
Sep 4th, 2004, 06:07 PM
I'm too lazy to read it all, someone plz explain why ur all shocked :crying2:

sarza
Sep 4th, 2004, 06:11 PM
I'm too lazy to read it all, someone plz explain why ur all shocked :crying2:


well personally i find it quite shocking and discusting to be spat on :rolleyes:

Tenisci
Sep 6th, 2004, 08:24 AM
Ipek Said To Me That People Misunderstood Her And Only She Wanted To Shere Some Information With Others By A Few Sentences.

sarza
Sep 6th, 2004, 10:25 AM
I didnt understand i think she was totally correct in saying what she did and i for one am glad she shared the information :D

t_fan
Sep 6th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Que horible :eek:! What can be done about this :scared::o?
Just wait a couple of decades. Or centuries.

Tenisci
Sep 7th, 2004, 08:01 AM
THIS ARTICLE WERE TAKEN FROM US OPEN NEWS ARCHIVE :

One in a Million: Ipek Senoglu
by Brad Falkner
Monday, September 6, 2004

When most people think of the pioneers of women's tennis, names like Gibson, King, and Navratilova come to mind. Ipek Senoglu is the latest addition to the women who make a difference and inspire others. Like her predecessors, Senoglu is trailblazer heading down the road less traveled.

Turkey's number one tennis player Senoglu first made history in June 2004 when she was accepted into the women's doubles qualifying for the Wimbledon championships. Though she did not advance into the main draw of Wimbledon, she did make it into the history books as the the first Turk ever to play in a qualifying tournament for a Grand Slam event.

Just like her game, Ipek kept moving forward and by the US Open, she had risen high enough into the rankings to gain direct entry into the doubles main draw, thus writing her own place in the history books.

"I want to show the children in my country that if they follow their dreams, anything is possible. In my country, people have a tendancy not to believe in themselves, they need to see somebody do it first," said Senoglu. "But it's so hard to travel on a road that has not been traveled on."

Widely regarded as a sport for the wealthy in Turkey, tennis is becoming more popular among the society as a whole. With the rapid growth in the number of courts available and the cost of playing going down, the sport is moving in the right direction. That said, Senoglu still believes that a lack of interest and, most importantly, lack of sponsorship in Turkey has added a few bumps in the road.

"I grew up with the words, 'Tennis players don't come from Turkey,'" Senoglu said. "There are still so few people in Turkey playing tennis at a world-class level. The general attitude is that it cannot be done, the people just don't believe in themselves."

Senoglu first picked up a racquet when she was 14. A gifted athlete, whose first love was basketball, she had to give up playing hoops due to a knee injury. That same year, she won the under-14 Turkish tennis championships in Istanbul. The coaches who had seen her play invited her to play at their club in Istanbul. "I stopped playing basketball full time and shifted my attention to tennis," Senoglu said.

That single-minded focus led to a full ride scholarship at Pepperdine University in Malibu, Calif., where she bacame a three-time All-American and reached the NCAA semifinals in doubles two consecutive years (2000-2001). It was during this time when she first met her US Open doubles partner Laura Granville.

"I knew that she was a great player from playing against her in college. I love playing with her, she's a smart player," Granville said. "She's just a really cool girl and a lot of fun to be around. I hope to play with her more in the future."

Spend five miutes with Senoglu, whose smile is omnipresent, and it becomes clear that she's a warm individual with a playful nature. After practice, Senoglu, Granville, Shenay Perry, and Granville's father are having a bite to eat. After Mr. Granville waxes poetic about a favorite line from a classic movie (that none of the girls have seen or even heard of), Senoglu says with gentle laugh, "Mr. Granville, please give me a hug."

In the often-prickly social culture of the WTA, Senoglu's presence is a breath of fresh air. There is no haughty air about her. She is a humble, good-natured, charming young woman with a wonderful sense of humor. One can only hope that her positive attitude will be infectious.

"When I first got to the US Open, I didn't even know how to get a practice court. Anastasia Myskina's coach Jens Gerlach had to show me how to do it," chuckles Senoglu.

Senoglu does not have a coach and regularly travels alone on the tour. Her father has joined her in New York for companionship and encouragement. Her support group this week also includes former Pepperdine teammate and current assistant women's assistant coach Cintia Tortorella. Tortorella is not surprised by Senoglu's recent success.

"In college she was always saying that she wanted to go pro and we all thought that she should do it," says Tortorella. "It helps too that she's so independent."

Senoglu turned pro after college and her results on the satellite circuit have led to a steady climb in the world rankings. The current WTA listing has her at number 313 in singles and 117 in doubles. She is the higest-ranked Turkish player in the history of tennis.

Senoglu recalls her first Grand Slam experience at Wimbledon earlier this year, "When I asked the officials how much the deposit was for the practice balls, the lady smiled at me and said 'Honey, you're in a Grand Slam now.'"

She plays for the love of the game and plans to step up her fitness level in the fall and continue to play both doubles and singles.

"Two years ago people laughed at me and said, 'You'll never play a Grand Slam.' Now they're asking me, 'When are you playing?'"

A PHOTO FROM US OPEN :

sarza
Sep 7th, 2004, 09:45 AM
thanks Evren it a nice article :kiss:

"Sluggy"
Sep 7th, 2004, 10:09 AM
[QUOTE=Rtael]Hey all....was just reading Ipek Senoglu's diary on her website and she had alot of bad things to say about the string of chinese challengers in the spring....

I just could not believe how rude the men were to their women. You'd be in a queue or in an elevator and they'd just push you out of the way.. I guess this is nothing compared to the shock I had when I saw people spit onto the carpet in the lobby of the four star hotel we were staying in..



Fascinating but not surprsing post Rtael. Thats just horrible man. Unbelievable. Are they really that Sexist and nasty? Maybe we should send the radical feminists to China for a little visit, theyd come back more appreciative of Western Men! :rolleyes: They'll come back wanting to create "Mens Appreciation Parades"!

The Guilty
Sep 7th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Great article Evren :) I hope Ipek keeps having success :worship:

kucharoo
Sep 11th, 2004, 01:08 PM
:(

bis2806
Sep 11th, 2004, 03:09 PM
china has always been a dirty place, no shock

Experimentee
Sep 11th, 2004, 04:46 PM
This has already been discussed ages ago in the challenger forum.
What the players were complaining about was the challenger in Wulanhuote, which is a very remote place in Inner Mongolia. It is not at all representative of the rest of China, especially a big city like Beijing that some people are worried about. Most other tournaments in Beijing and Shanghai have been successes, with the players having nothing but positive things to say about them.

Tenisci
Sep 12th, 2004, 10:44 AM
Sure You Are Right Experimentee

ex hopman
Sep 12th, 2004, 05:55 PM
but that will only happen to japanese:devil: yeah, we still hate them:p they never regret what they have done to us.:mad: but if you are from other countries, it will be totally difference;) .
hey hey hey!
be nice to us!

as you mentioned about the chinese people that "do not judge the whole country by the action of one person or small groups of people".
Now you are judging us!! :sad:

It's ok that you can still hate us... but I learned the history and I feel sorry about what happened!! so don't include all of japanese as your "they", plz!

Also, our soccer players didn't do whatever you still hate us about!
and i didn't do it too! don't hate me just because I am Japanese!! (well, I am 7/8 of Japanese tho...)

peace! :wavey: