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Stefwhit
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:18 AM
I was scanning Justine's profile and I noticed her AMAZING :eek: record against the Russian players. I don't know this for a fact, but I wouldn't be surprised if she has the most impressive record against the Russian players.

Justine vs:
Bovina- 6-0
Anna K- 4-0
Zvonereva- 3-0
Krasnoroutskaya- 2-0
Likhotseva- 2-0
Safina- 2-0
Douchevina- 1-0
Panova- 1-0
Kuznetsova- 5-1
Dementieva- 6-1
Myskina- 6-2

42 WINS- 4 LOSSES

The Russian contingent better watch of for Justine "The Russian Killer"...

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:25 AM
Actually Lindsay Davenport was the Russian terminator:)....
And Venus was too until last year.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:27 AM
Wait until Justine plays Maria, then her record will become slightly less impressive!

Lady
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:38 AM
Well, she's 1-0 against Masha, off course, it was just an exibition! ;)

pigam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:40 AM
Mmmm. it is quite impressive, but a lot of other topplayers have impressive results againt the Russians. You gotta admit a lot of those wins date back from before their really big break true. AND I'm never @ ease when Justine has to play:
Myskina
Kuznetsova
Dementieva
...
:unsure:

Lady
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:42 AM
I was scanning Justine's profile and I noticed her AMAZING :eek: record against the Russian players. I don't know this for a fact, but I wouldn't be surprised if she has the most impressive record against the Russian players.

Justine vs:
Bovina- 6-0
Anna K- 4-0
Zvonereva- 3-0
Krasnoroutskaya- 2-0
Likhotseva- 2-0
Safina- 2-0
Douchevina- 1-0
Panova- 1-0
Kuznetsova- 5-1
Dementieva- 6-1
Myskina- 6-2

42 WINS- 4 LOSSES

The Russian contingent better watch of for Justine "The Russian Killer"...

You forgot Nadia Petrova!

Justine is something like 4-0 against her! ;)

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:44 AM
I would SOOOOOOO love it if Justine v Maria in US Open QF!!!

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:51 AM
I would SOOOOOOO love it if Justine v Maria in US Open QF!!!
And I hope Justine kicks her butt then.

Greenout
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:23 AM
Kimmy's record is pretty good too. I think this explains why they can't
get to number 1.

Lemonskin.
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:30 AM
She'll have a loss to Maria after the QF's :D

Allez-H
Sep 3rd, 2004, 12:01 PM
Just take a look at her opponents when she won Toronto last year.She became Russian champ that week ;)

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:08 PM
Maria fans need to get over themselves.

Maria couldn't beat anyone leading into the USO and struggled against everyone she's faced now that she is in the Open.

The Crow
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:18 PM
Maria ... struggled against everyone she's faced now that she is in the Open.
Opposed to Justine you mean? :p

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:27 PM
Justine's notorious for her poor early round plays. And Justine is #1.

The Crow
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:29 PM
Well Masha's still in it, so we'll see...

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:31 PM
Maria is not as good on hardcourts yet but will improve very quickly, but she's definately a better grass court player than Justine.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:33 PM
Maria is not as good on hardcourts yet but will improve very quickly, but she's definately a better grass court player than Justine. Bullshit, and she will prove it next year when she's not sick.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:35 PM
Bullshit, and she will prove it next year when she's not sick.

how many opportunities has Justine had already to win wimbledon? Is it 4 or 5 attempts? How many wins?

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:39 PM
how many opportunities has Justine had already to win wimbledon? Is it 4 or 5 attempts? How many wins? They never played against eachother on grass. So until they play on grass against eachother and Maria wins, you can't say she's better!

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:41 PM
They never played against eachother on grass. So until they play on grass against eachother and Maria wins, you can't say she's better!

Well in that case you can't say Justine is better on any other surface than Maria! Agreed?

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:43 PM
Well in that case you can't say Justine is better on any other surface than Maria! Agreed?
Agreed, except for that exhibition :)

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:46 PM
Who did Maria play at Wimbledon. I'll tell you something, SWP, if Maria had to play Venus or Serena the way they were playing when they beat Justine, Maria would have lost 6-0 6-0. And if the Serena Maria played this year was playing Justine the last three years, Justine would have 3 Wimbledon titles.

Maria has got nothing on Justine. Nothing.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:46 PM
Agreed, except for that exhibition :)

Ooh, i knew you would u would say that, getting desperate? ;) Anyway if Justine is to play Maria in the QF in this US Open, we can garantee its gonna be a good and exciting match!

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:48 PM
Ooh, i knew you would u would say that, getting desperate? ;) Anyway if Justine is to play Maria in the QF in this US Open, we can garantee its gonna be a good and exciting match! IF they both get there, I hope they do.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:49 PM
Who did Maria play at Wimbledon. I'll tell you something, SWP, if Maria had to play Venus or Serena the way they were playing when they beat Justine, Maria would have lost 6-0 6-0. And if the Serena Maria played this year was playing Justine the last three years, Justine would have 3 Wimbledon titles.

Maria has got nothing on Justine. Nothing.

Prove it. No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final, it was a flawless and invinsible performance. You know it and everyone does. Justine has 0 wimbledon titles, but she's won 3 on other surfaces which is good acheivement. I'm just stating facts, and you cannot prove anything!

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:51 PM
Prove it. No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final, it was a flawless and invinsible performance. You know it and everyone does. Justine has 0 wimbledon titles, but she's won 3 on other surfaces which is good acheivement. I'm just stating facts, and you cannot prove anything!
Justine has the variation and adaptation, that Serena was missing.

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:03 PM
Prove it. No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final, it was a flawless and invinsible performance. You know it and everyone does. Justine has 0 wimbledon titles, but she's won 3 on other surfaces which is good acheivement. I'm just stating facts, and you cannot prove anything!

Neither could you. Maria was no invicible in that final nor was she flawless. She played a mediocre Serena and a defeated Lindsay to get that title. You actually believe that if Maria played Serena of '02 that Maria would still come out the winner? Are you an idiot?

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:11 PM
Neither could you. Maria was no invicible in that final nor was she flawless. She played a mediocre Serena and a defeated Lindsay to get that title. You actually believe that if Maria played Serena of '02 that Maria would still come out the winner? Are you an idiot?
Your just a sad loser who cannot face the facts. Grow up! She beat a Serena who thrashed Capriati 6-1 6-1, if Serena's mediocre, what's Capriati?

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:15 PM
Your just a sad loser who cannot face the facts. Grow up, you little bitch!She beat a Serena who thrashed Capriati 6-1 6-1, if Serena's mediocre, what's Capriati?
The fact is that Maria won from a mediocre Serena, far away from her play in 2002.
Capriati is also miles away from her best play.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:18 PM
The fact is that Maria won from a mediocre Serena, far away from her play in 2002.
Capriati is also miles away from her best play.

Thr fact is she DEMOLISHED the player who has dominated tennis for the past 3-4 years in the final! Serena only made 10 unforced errors and 1 double fault,(both less than Maria) which shows she didn't mess up, she just got outplayed in every department.

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:19 PM
Your just a sad loser who cannot face the facts. Grow up! She beat a Serena who thrashed Capriati 6-1 6-1, if Serena's mediocre, what's Capriati?
Face the facts: Maria got lucky, and won. Noone is contesting she won, but idiots like you are trying to make it bigger than it is. Just becasue she won doesn't say anything, but that she won. She's not better than anyone you claim she's better than just because she won Wimbledon.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:24 PM
Thr fact is she DEMOLISHED the player who has dominated tennis for the past 3-4 years in the final! Serena only made 10 unforced errors and 1 double fault,(both less than Maria) which shows she didn't mess up, she just got outplayed in every department.
So you are absolutely sure she would have beaten Justine in the final?

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:24 PM
Face the facts: Maria got lucky, and won. Noone is contesting she won, but idiots like you are trying to make it bigger than it is. Just becasue she won doesn't say anything, but that she won. She's not better than anyone you claim she's better than just because she won Wimbledon.
6-1 6-4, lucky? So by what margin do you have to win by for it not to be lucky? :confused: ALL I'm just saying she won wimbeldon and fully deserves her title, you're the one saying she wouldn't have won if she was playing Serena of 2002, now how can you prove that?

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:25 PM
So you are absolutely sure she would have beaten Justine in the final?

iIm not sure if Justine would have got to the final. If she did, and assuming Maria played the exact same way she did against Serena, then YES!

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:26 PM
6-1 6-4, lucky? So by what margin do you have to win by for it not to be lucky? :confused: ALL I'm just saying she won wimbeldon and fully deserves her title, you're the one saying she wouldn't have won if she was playing Serena of 2002, now how can you prove that? Sorry but you said: "No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final". So that relates to everybody, including Justine.
How can you prove that!

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:27 PM
I can't prove that but nor can you claim that she's better than Justine on grass just because she won Wimbledon nor can you prove that she would have beaten anyone she faced that day. Let's face it Serena of 04 is nowhere near the Serena of 02. So yes my claim has atleast some validity to it whereas yours are thoughtless bias.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:32 PM
I can't prove that but nor can you claim that she's better than Justine on grass just because she won Wimbledon nor can you prove that she would have beaten anyone she faced that day. Let's face it Serena of 04 is nowhere near the Serena of 02. So yes my claim has atleast some validity to it whereas yours are thoughtless bias.

Serena of 2002 WOULD have beaten Maria 6-0 6-0, not biased? :rolleyes: well I'm just saying I don't think the difference between Serena of 2002 and 2004 would have been able to change a 6-1 6-4 defeat into a win, maybe a closer match but you cannot say anything else as we just don't know.

Lady
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:35 PM
Ju fans, why do you even fight with that SWP, who "joined" this board in August just for trolling purposes! :confused:

justine&coria
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:36 PM
6-1 6-4, lucky? So by what margin do you have to win by for it not to be lucky? :confused: ALL I'm just saying she won wimbeldon and fully deserves her title, you're the one saying she wouldn't have won if she was playing Serena of 2002, now how can you prove that?
Of course she won Wimbledon and she deserves her title.
But how can you say that she's a better grass court player than Justine ? :confused: Martinez won Wimbledon : is she a better grass court player than Justine or even Sharapova ?

The Serena and Venus of this year are definitely not as good as last year or as 2 years ago.
Serena's serve was definitely off the day she played Sharapova. She was making tons of errors. When Serena beat Justine last year, she was playing almost perfect.
Two years ago Serena beat Mauresmo 1 and 1 to reach the finals and beat Venus. This year, she could have lost to Mauresmo, who wasn't even playing good.
Of course, it's not a proof that Serena isn't the same dominant player she was. But if you believe that Sharapova beat an on-Serena that day, then you're hiding yourself the truth.
Sharapova might have won against an on-Serena : I'm not saying the opposite. But during that finals, Serena wasn't even near her best.

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:37 PM
First of all, everyone knows that I don't have a particular affinity towards Serena, but to say that the difference between Serena of 02 and 04 would not change that scoreline to a win is inane. Did you see Serena in 02?

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:38 PM
Ju fans, why do you even fight with that SWP, who "joined" this board in August just for trolling purposes! :confused:
Like to have some fun ;)

justine&coria
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:39 PM
I don't think the difference between Serena of 2002 and 2004 would have been able to change a 6-1 6-4 defeat into a win, maybe a closer match
:lol: :lol: :lol: You're so funny !!
Serena used to beat Lindsay easily and she recently got thrashed by her in 2 sets.
It's just an example.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:41 PM
Ok, the argument shall finish here. If Maria is not better on grass than Justine, then Justine is not better than Maria on other surfaces.

Shap half, you think the difference betwwen Serena of 2002 and 2004 would have changed 1-6 4-6 to 6-0 6-0?

MinnyGophers
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:43 PM
the way i'm reading it:
Maria won Wimbledon WOAAH
Justine won USOpen, Roland Garros, and AO. Don't cry Justine, it is still a good achievement.

justine&coria
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:44 PM
Ok, the argument shall finish here. If Maria is not better on grass than Justine, then Justine is not better than Maria on other surfaces.

Shap half, you think the difference betwwen Serena of 2002 and 2004 would have changed 1-6 4-6 to 6-0 6-0?
OMG: don't you understand that he was exagerrating because you were talking nonsense.

It might have been 6-2 6-2 (for Serena of course). :tape: :tape:

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:44 PM
Ok, the argument shall finish here. If Maria is not better on grass than Justine, then Justine is not better than Maria on other surfaces.



winning Wimbledon doesn't make you better than anyone. Is she also better on grass than Capriati and Clijsters? Those two have never won Wimbledon.

And it's quite clear that Justine is better than Maria on ALL OTHER SURFACES (and that includes grass). You are dellusional.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:45 PM
the way i'm reading it:
Maria won Wimbledon WOAAH
Justine won USOpen, Roland Garros, and AO. Don't cry Justine, it is still a good achievement.
Don't forget the Gold Medal ;)

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:45 PM
OMG: don't you understand that he was exagerrating because you were talking nonsense.

It might have been 6-2 6-2. :tape: :tape:

1-6 4-6 to 6-2 6-2! :tape:

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:45 PM
Ok, the argument shall finish here. If Maria is not better on grass than Justine, then Justine is not better than Maria on other surfaces.

Shap half, you think the difference betwwen Serena of 2002 and 2004 would have changed 1-6 4-6 to 6-0 6-0?

The possibility of that scoreline is there. And that was clearly an exaggeration because you can't seem to see straight.

justine&coria
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:45 PM
OMG: don't you understand that he was exagerrating because you were talking nonsense.

It might have been 6-2 6-2 (for Serena of course). :tape: :tape:
I want to add that my last sentence was just a joke. :)

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:48 PM
winning Wimbledon doesn't make you better than anyone. Is she also better on grass than Capriati and Clijsters? Those two have never won Wimbledon.

And it's quite clear that Justine is better than Maria on ALL OTHER SURFACES (and that includes grass). You are dellusional.

Where's the proof? I'm not the one saying Maria better on Clay and Hardcourts. How can you prove that Justine is better than Maria on grass? What has she won on grass? She's had 5 years. :tape:

MinnyGophers
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
Don't forget the Gold Medal ;)

see Justine? You still have the gold medal. Now here's a kleenex.

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:50 PM
You are dellusional if you really think that just because Maria's won grass is enough to validate your opinion of who is better. That's it. Point blank.

Do you really think that a healthy Justine this year would not have won Wimbledon? I mean it is speculation, but when she was healthy, she only lost one match.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:50 PM
Where's the proof? I'm not the one saying Maria better on Clay and Hardcourts. How can you prove that Justine is better than Maria on grass? What has she won on grass? She's had 5 years. :tape:
Again, you're the one saying: "No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final". First prove that!

justine&coria
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:52 PM
1-6 4-6 to 6-2 6-2! :tape:
It might be possible : Justine once got thrashed by Clijsters 6-2 6-1. And one year later, Justine beat Clijsters 6-0 6-4.

You know, it was just a joke : I truly believe that Sharapova could have beaten Serena, when Serena is near her best.
But what annoys me is the behaviour of some Sharapova-fans, including you, who think that Sharapova is the best-ever, because she won the "most prestigious/difficult GS".

When I watched the finals against Serena, I was rooting for Sharapova, and when she won, I was happy. But when I came on this board, and found that some of her fans behaved the way I told before, it really annoyed me.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:53 PM
Again, you're the one saying: "No one would have beated Maria in that wimbledon final". First prove that!

Common sense would tell you that it was Maria's day and nothing would have stopped her and it was also the most one sided wimbledon final since 1992! Also, do you really think Justine would have beaten Serena by 6-1 6-4 or more? :lol:

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:54 PM
Common sense would tell you that it was Maria's day and nothing would have stopped her and it was also the most one sided wimbledon final since 1992! Also, do you really think Justine would have beaten Serena by 6-1 6-4 or more? :lol: I don't claim anything, you do!
And yeah at her Indian Wells level that surely is possible.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:55 PM
It might be possible : Justine once got thrashed by Clijsters 6-2 6-1. And one year later, Justine beat Clijsters 6-0 6-4.

You know, it was just a joke : I truly believe that Sharapova could have beaten Serena, when Serena is near her best.
But what annoys me is the behaviour of some Sharapova-fans, including you, who think that Sharapova is the best-ever, because she won the "most prestigious/difficult GS".

When I watched the finals against Serena, I was rooting for Sharapova, and when she won, I was happy. But when I came on this board, and found that some of her fans behaved the way I told before, it really annoyed me.

What? Have I EVER said Sharapova is the best ever? ALL I said to start with was Maria is better than Justine on grass but Justine is better on Hardcourts and Clay. See so that is 2 surfaces to one, for Justine. Whats wrong with that?

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:57 PM
I don't claim anything, you do!
And yeah at her Indian Well level that surely is possible.

I'm not talking about you, i'm talking about Shap half.

shap_half
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:58 PM
The thing that's wrong with the statement is that it is not true.

and btw, the way justine was playing leading into the clay court season has lead me to believe that justine could have beaten serena along the lines of 6-2 6-2 the way serena played that day against maria.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:01 PM
If you had said Serena of 2002 MIGHT have beaten Maria, then i'd be fine with that. But you just had to say Serena of 2002 WOULD have beaten Maria easily, now thats not right.

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:03 PM
The thing that's wrong with the statement is that it is not true.

and btw, the way justine was playing leading into the clay court season has lead me to believe that justine could have beaten serena along the lines of 6-2 6-2 the way serena played that day against maria.

now thats better, as long you don't say WOULD, its ok.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:08 PM
now thats better, as long you don't say WOULD, its ok.
LOL talking about would's:

SWP: "No one WOULD have beated Maria in that wimbledon final"

:p

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:10 PM
LOL talking about would's:

SWP: "No one WOULD have beated Maria in that wimbledon final"

:p

I said that AFTER shap half said Justine WOULD have 3 wimbeldon titles if it wasn't for serena's 2002 form just to even things out. See how much that pissed you guys off?

Lady
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:35 PM
SWP just bad repped me calling me "Silly b***h", now that's a intelligent behavior! :rolleyes: :lol:

SWP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:41 PM
dunno why you bother repping me back, you've got hardly any rep pts.

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:41 PM
Comparing Maria to one of the greatest #1 player in the world is just a joke:o.
Slam trophies are over-rated, Maria is good on grass of course, but please, my grandma can beat Serena in the final the way Serena played, no offense, but Maria was lucky.

This only goes to prove if you get the aura, the Russians WILL BE afraid.
It's interesting to see how consistently Justine beats these Russians, especially in the last few years, there was a thread about Lindsay Davenport, the Russian terminator, and in that thread, Venus Williams and Justine HH both had great H2H records against the Russians. As long as you develop that #1 ranked player aura, you will beat them easy. Kim on the other hand never had that kinda of aura.....she was too nice:angel:.

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:48 PM
Well well SWP getting frustrated.

flyingmachine
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:08 PM
I think we will wait and see. ;) Hopefully Justine will kick Maria's ass once for all.

Allez-H
Sep 4th, 2004, 08:33 AM
Some people seriously underestimate Justines play on grass :scratch:

Stefwhit
Sep 7th, 2004, 03:29 AM
I may have been a bit pre-mature with this thread... who'd of thunk it??! I guess that's 'one' for the Russians (in a BIG WAY)...

Greenout
Sep 7th, 2004, 03:31 AM
Thanks for the jinx~! :(