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Aphrodite
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:25 AM
L. DAVENPORT/A. Parra Santonja

6-4, 6-2

An interview with:

LINDSAY DAVENPORT

THE MODERATOR: Questions for Lindsay, please.

Q. Your first opponent, you knew her name began with a K and ended in 'ova'. What did you know about this one?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Definitely knew who this player was. I hadn't seen her play tons of tennis before. I saw her play a little bit on clay at Roland Garros, but obviously a lot different. She came out hitting the ball pretty hard. I was maybe just a little bit on my heels in the beginning, not expecting that much of an aggressive play from especially probably a claycourt player and Spaniard. You know, I just felt like it took me a while to get going. You know, my last two matches, until I've been able to get that lead in the first set in the break, then I feel like I play really well. But, you know, I'm definitely going to have to do something to try to get off to a quicker start in the next match.

Q. Does it bother you as a veteran player, you're cruising along at 5-Love, you get loose, double-fault, couple backhands, don't close it out the way you want to? Do you let that slide and say, "It just happened," or you want to kick yourself?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: I mean, kick yourself a little bit. It's -- you know, no matter what the score is, you shouldn't be able to lose your concentration. That's would be one of the things I've done well this whole summer, is no matter what the score was, playing really solid, playing really tight tennis where there's no loose errors. Today it definitely went off a little bit in the second for those two and a half games. More importantly, was able to right the ship at 5-2 and still get out of there. Yeah, that hasn't happened to me very much at all this summer. I'm going to have to try to not let that happen again.

Q. How did you feel today?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Yeah, felt better. Really felt like in the beginning of the match I wasn't really inside the court or being very aggressive. Took me about middle of the first set till I really felt like I was a little bit more -- hitting with authority and moving forward.

Q. Is that partly when you're in a big, empty stadium early in the morning, is it hard to get revved up?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I've been practicing early so I thought I'd be really ready to go on point one. It took a few more games. I don't know. Maybe I'll have to do some sprints before I go out there or something next time.

Q. Some people might take it personally. When you say 11 o'clock in the morning, somebody's later on, you know there's not going to be anybody there. Do you care much?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: I think it's the best time to play. I'm going to be home by like 1:45 (laughing). So, no, I think it's great. I mean, some players are more morning people than others. I mean Graf used to love to play really early. I don't really care too much. But when it's over, I'm happy that it's only 12:30 when I walked off the court and not waiting around all day after a men's match and, you know, here all the time.

Q. Not too many people in the stands.

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Doesn't bother me. I just want to get the match over with and have a victory.

Q. Are you amused by the attention of Serena's outfits this week or is it expected?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I'm not -- 'amused' is probably a good word. I'm not shocked. She is definitely wearing some stuff we haven't seen before (smiling).

Q. Are you irritated at all by your seeding here?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I understand it. I, you know, was more irritated that this is the fourth Grand Slam of the year that I got bumped to 5 because of special seeding purposes, so it's a little disheartening. You know, when I got my special ranking I was only given one Grand Slam. I didn't get to use all my tournaments, and they took it away from me and said, "Okay, you've had three months." Definitely made it eight months for these players now. Just wish that the rules were fair across the board and not changed every time that the tour wants to change a rule for a player.

Q. Have you asked anybody about it?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Oh, yeah (laughing).

Q. What was your response?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I didn't really get a good response. I didn't really get any. So I just, you know, just got to roll with the punches.

Q. Are you especially irritated because you're bumped to a 5, which puts you out of the Top 4?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Well, there's obviously a big difference between 4 and 5. I mean, that's probably the biggest difference you can get in draws. And, you know, I totally understand the special seedings and I rolled with it in Australia, rolled with it at the French when I got the 5, rolled with it at Wimbledon. Then finally in the summer I'm like, "Since you guys didn't even let me use eight tournaments, you expired it on me, didn't let me carry it over to Australia, just a little confused why we've gotten -- some players get to use it for every Grand Slam." "Oh, well, the rule changed." You know, I don't know. They just kind of make them up as they go. But you do have to beat every player to win, and I knew that. I look forward to hopefully fulfilling that no matter who you play.

Q. Not too many reasonable people would debate special rankings, but special seeding, what is the point of that?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Well, it helped me out a ton in 2002. It helped me get back on my feet after being off the tour for a long time, especially after having a pretty tough surgery. And, you know, I just thought that there should be maybe, you know -- I was given three months and then it was clearly I was denied to use it again. This time it just seemed they've gotten about seven or eight months. So, you know, I agreed with the special seeding. When I agreed with it, I didn't know that the length of time would be so long. But, you know, it was invaluable to me in my comeback, and I'm very grateful that they did that for me in 2002.

Q. How does this year feel different to you than in the past few years?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: I think, you know, last year it was a tough Grand Slam when we didn't have either Venus or Serena. It was, you know, I think even the crowd was a little bit affected by it, the people watching TV. I mean, this year you've got all the players playing except for Kim. A little bit more excitement going. For me, personally, I feel like I'm in a great position, that I've done everything that I could possibly do to be ready to play here and do well, and now you just see what happens. I'm excited but know that I've got some really tough matches coming up, especially next round; I play Bovina who's a very good player. I'm going to have to start to play well. But I feel great about how I've gotten to this point.

Q. When you look behind you at sort of the state of women's tennis in America, what do you see? What do you see on the horizon?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Yeah, I mean, the last few years it's been a lot of focus obviously on Venus and Serena the most and also Jennifer, myself, and even Chanda, we've had five really solid players, four in the Top 10 almost the whole time. Unfortunately, haven't really felt like that next crop has come up to say like, "Oh, okay, we're going to be Top 30 for a little while, then move into the Top 10." So, you know, you hope that some of the girls are going to break through to be above, like I said, a Top 30 player, Top 20, because obviously Jennifer and I are now 28, you know. Venus and Serena are obviously still young, but you still want to see new girls go in there. I haven't seen too much yet. I mean, I hope it kind of changes and out of nowhere a couple girls come up.

Q. Is that maybe a by-product of Title IX, now that there are so many other sports, that girls can go get scholarships, play in the pros?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, it definitely could be. There's a lot more opportunities for female athletes. You can see that at the Olympics with softball, basketball, soccer. But sometimes I think in tennis it's just cyclical. Whatever group comes up, I mean, the men in the early '90s had one of the best groups ever in the Courier, Sampras, Agassi era. You also had players like Todd Martin, Mal Washington, who were really solid with that whole group. We're just kind of waiting for the next group to come up, and hopefully they come up together out of nowhere next year (laughing). I don't know, though...

thelittlestelf
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:30 AM
I don't blame her for not being thrilled with the seeding. I'd be pissed!

Knizzle
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:31 AM
I didn't know they cut her off after 3 months. :eek:

tennischick
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:31 AM
so Lindsay feels that Serena was given a better injury deal than she was. veddy interesting...

thelittlestelf
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:32 AM
so Lindsay feels that Serena was given a better injury deal than she was. veddy interesting...
Interesting, but true!

PointBlank
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:33 AM
Who was her first opponent again?

Greenout
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:33 AM
Thank you LD for having the guts to say the WTA are shit, and change
their rules to suit whatever agenda they have. :yeah:

Hant Hant
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:35 AM
I don't blame Lindsay at all. This really affects her, but she is a strong person so she'll have success no matter what. That's the important thing.

treufreund
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:36 AM
well said and yet not mean-spirited. :D

franny
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:38 AM
The thing though that I thought is that in her three months, Lindsay played like 6 tournaments not including grand slams, whereas Serena has played like 6 tournaments over a span of 8 months. I always thought that Davenport lost her special seeding because it was the end of the season and they wouldn't let her carry it over to the new season, which would explain things more. But now I find out, straight from Lindsay, that they told her that it was because she had "already used it for three months," that peeves me off. I would be pissed if I were Lindsay too, she should punch someone for it.

WtaTour4Ever
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:39 AM
I definitely see where she is frustrated. I'm assuming hers ran out at the end of the year or something, is that why she couldn't use it in Austrailia??

Black Mamba.
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:41 AM
I know some people may think Lindsay is taking shott at Serena but sheis by no means taking shots at Serena she is just frustrated about how shady the WTA is. In fact her and Serena have a good relationship.

DEETHELICK
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:44 AM
Bravo Lindsay. The rules sure have changed and I wonder what motivated that change.

WtaTour4Ever
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:48 AM
So was it really the time frame or was it the # of tournys .....b/c I actually thought I remember her special seeding/ranking being extended b/c she was doing so well, semi's and final's of almost every tourny? If she played the 6-8 tourny in three monthes time then it would be more understandable.

jojoseph
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:50 AM
L. DAVENPORT/A. Parra Santonja

6-4, 6-2

An interview with:

LINDSAY DAVENPORT


Q. Have you asked anybody about it?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Oh, yeah (laughing).

lol

SelesFan70
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:59 AM
5 tournaments...Majors included...is MORE than enough for ANY top player to get back in form.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:19 AM
I don't blame her for not being thrilled with the seeding. I'd be pissed!She's totally right about the seeding, and it's been happening to her for years. At Wimbledon in '98 or '99 they bumped her from #2 to #3 to seed Steffi above her.

Rocketta
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:34 AM
So was it really the time frame or was it the # of tournys .....b/c I actually thought I remember her special seeding/ranking being extended b/c she was doing so well, semi's and final's of almost every tourny? If she played the 6-8 tourny in three monthes time then it would be more understandable.
She got it for 7 tournaments and they wouldn't let her use it for the year-end championship or exstend it to the next season...She gives two reasons in her interview when she says..

You know, when I got my special ranking I was only given one Grand Slam. I didn't get to use all my tournaments, and they took it away from me and said, "Okay, you've had three months."
then she says

Then finally in the summer I'm like, "Since you guys didn't even let me use eight tournaments, you expired it on me, didn't let me carry it over to Australia, just a little confused why we've gotten -- some players get to use it for every Grand Slam."
which makes it seem like it was the end of the season that was the reason they expired it. :shrug:

dreamgoddess099
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:04 AM
5 tournaments...Majors included...is MORE than enough for ANY top player to get back in form.
Not when you are defending points. How do you improve your rank if you don't recieve points for winning a tournament just because you won it last year?

VRULES
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:24 AM
They cut her off after 3 months because she already played 8 tournies.

Stanford, Acura, New Haven, US Open, and like 3 fall tournies, so she used it quickly.

clonesheep
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:32 AM
WTA also changed the rule for Maria Sharapova, allowing her to play more tournamemnts than the AER normally permits.

I guess they will again change the rule or format of this year's year-end championship, maybe throw a couple of wild cards for Kim and Venus. I am 100% sure they will bend the "top-8 only" rule if Serena or Maria Sharapova doesn't make top 8 at the end of the year. (This is however not entirely a criticism; Serena and Maria do draw the crowd and increase TV rating, which is not a bad thing for tennis.)

Mase
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:33 AM
I'm not mad at her.

Knizzle
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:35 AM
The whole thing about the special ranking seeding rule is that what happens to each individual player is up to the WTA. So one player A may get something that player B doesn't.

tenn_ace
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:53 AM
another classy interview from Linds... :bounce:

Leo_DFP
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:38 AM
"Q. Are you irritated at all by your seeding here?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I understand it. I, you know, was more irritated that this is the fourth Grand Slam of the year that I got bumped to 5 because of special seeding purposes, so it's a little disheartening. You know, when I got my special ranking I was only given one Grand Slam. I didn't get to use all my tournaments, and they took it away from me and said, "Okay, you've had three months." Definitely made it eight months for these players now. Just wish that the rules were fair across the board and not changed every time that the tour wants to change a rule for a player.

Q. Have you asked anybody about it?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Oh, yeah (laughing).

Q. What was your response?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: You know, I didn't really get a good response. I didn't really get any. So I just, you know, just got to roll with the punches.

Q. Are you especially irritated because you're bumped to a 5, which puts you out of the Top 4?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Well, there's obviously a big difference between 4 and 5. I mean, that's probably the biggest difference you can get in draws. And, you know, I totally understand the special seedings and I rolled with it in Australia, rolled with it at the French when I got the 5, rolled with it at Wimbledon. Then finally in the summer I'm like, "Since you guys didn't even let me use eight tournaments, you expired it on me, didn't let me carry it over to Australia, just a little confused why we've gotten -- some players get to use it for every Grand Slam." "Oh, well, the rule changed." You know, I don't know. They just kind of make them up as they go. But you do have to beat every player to win, and I knew that. I look forward to hopefully fulfilling that no matter who you play."

Very well said. :worship:

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:41 AM
sorry, but i wouldnt want Serena to come in my draw with a seeding of 20 or whatever she was ranked a couple of months ago.

Andy T
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:36 AM
5 tournaments...Majors included...is MORE than enough for ANY top player to get back in form.
That may be true but the problem with the ranking system the WTA use is that if a player only has a few tournaments on her account, her ranking plummets and she needs to play a lot to get back to a high ranking. As we've seen, playing a lot after an injury lay-off is not a good idea, so I think it is better to have a longer period for a special ranking/seeding. Maybe there should be two phases, say three months where the player has the ranking she held before and three more where a ranking is calculated on the basis of where she was before the injury and where she has got to since her return. In any case, the slams are free to seed as they wish. Lindsay has been extremely unlucky (with Myskina gone, she is now the de facto 4th favourite in her quarter of the draw, though, so it's worked out ok this time).

GoldenSlam
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:54 AM
There will always be unfairness in the world. Serena and Venus are just more popular.
And they'll get special treatment, so eat it up Lindsay, and live with it:).

Jeff
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:07 AM
Poor Lindsay. She really is the most overlooked player on tour.

GoDominique
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:14 AM
The WTA is lame. :) Go Lindsay!

dreamgoddess ... please don't talk about the ranking system. It makes you look even more stupid. :)

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 12:09 PM
Serena's last two: Final/Quarter-Final
Lindsay's last two: Semi-Final/Fourth Round

:confused:
Who mentioned Serena's name? I think he/she was talking about Venus...:confused:

bandabou
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:01 PM
I can understand somebody being mad if it was like Venus..but Venus has no special seeding and doesn´t deserve it anymore either..hasn´t done much with it anyways.

But I don´t think ANYBODY can say that Serena hasn´t done well with her special seeding, ranking or whatever. NO way.

Plus Serena has played mostly majors during her return and those don´t count when discussing special seedings no?!

Crazy_Fool
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:06 PM
One rule for one, a different rule for another :rolleyes:

Nice interview ;)

VeeNMaria4Eva
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:17 PM
Rules change... So what?

Jennifer's wife
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:30 PM
dont nobody critisize jen for her amount of 'you knows' anymore!!! :p

the special seeding/ranking thing is bollocks. if a player is good they can work their way up from like outside the top 100 and beat whoever they need to on the way

pokey camp
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:30 PM
Nice Lindsay interview. Classy as usual. I found this bit about morning matches interesting: Q. Some people might take it personally. When you say 11 o'clock in the morning, somebody's later on, you know there's not going to be anybody there. Do you care much?

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: I think it's the best time to play. I'm going to be home by like 1:45 (laughing). So, no, I think it's great. I mean, some players are more morning people than others. I mean Graf used to love to play really early. I don't really care too much. But when it's over, I'm happy that it's only 12:30 when I walked off the court and not waiting around all day after a men's match and, you know, here all the time.

Q. Not too many people in the stands.

LINDSAY DAVENPORT: Doesn't bother me. I just want to get the match over with and have a victory.
It seems she prefers the morning matches too. I don't blame her. Get in, do your job, get out. Though I suspect that sort of no-frills attitude is part of the reason that she is the most "overlooked top player on tour." Not a lot of flash there. :)

pokey camp
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:36 PM
dont nobody critisize jen for her amount of 'you knows' anymore!!! :p
Ha! I was thinking the same damn thing. But really, Jen will always be the Queen of You Know. I swear girl can fit 6 or more into one simple sentence.

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:49 PM
Who mentioned Serena's name? I think he/she was talking about Venus...:confused:

then i suggest you read again because Serena was definitely mentioned :)

bandabou
Sep 3rd, 2004, 02:51 PM
then i suggest you read again because Serena was definitely mentioned :)


You said it....

Jennifer's wife
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:07 PM
Ha! I was thinking the same damn thing. But really, Jen will always be the Queen of You Know. I swear girl can fit 6 or more into one simple sentence.

you know, youre right, jen is like u know the queen, but like you know lindsey did you know kinda get a few like you knows in there!


5...im coming close! :D

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:21 PM
5...im close to coming! :D

:kiss:

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:33 PM
Serena's last two: Final/Quarter-Final
Lindsay's last two: Semi-Final/Fourth Round

:confused:
ok the quote you replied to from Aphrodite was about giving Venus a bad name, yet you're talking about Serena...so yeah I read it again, and I'm still right

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:34 PM
you know, youre right, jen is like u know the queen, but like you know lindsey did you know kinda get a few like you knows in there!


5...im coming close! :D
LOL I think Jennifer's "you know"s are wonderful!

Jennifer's wife
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:41 PM
you know, so do i! :kiss:

SJW- u is naughty, you know? :kiss:

pokey camp
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:59 PM
you know, youre right, jen is like u know the queen, but like you know lindsey did you know kinda get a few like you knows in there!


5...im coming close! :D
:slow clap: Nice effort. :) Maybe Queen Caps will grant you a fiefdom.

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:04 PM
ok the quote you replied to from Aphrodite was about giving Venus a bad name, yet you're talking about Serena...so yeah I read it again, and I'm still right

how is she a bitch umgh, umgh looks like someone is on there period, i am sorry u give venus fans a bad name umgh and venus an serena havent done much of anything in slams,no more than lindsay who has been consistent. Lard ass, wow i can smell the shit coming out of your mouth. Shit for brains stop giving venus names a bad name, and get over your period Lard ass :fiery:

highlighted for the slow, illiterate and argumentative

and no, you're not right, and you never were. Serena was mentioned, ok? :)

Jennifer's wife
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:06 PM
she can like grant me whatever she likes! u know?! :hearts:

!<blocparty>!
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:11 PM
Lindsay :worship:

harloo
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:27 PM
Serena barely plays, and Lindsay played the bulk of her alloted tournaments in that 3 month span, but simply was not allowed to carry it over to next season. So she got bumped down a seed, well tough shit. It's not like she is playing tough players early anyways. Whatever Lindsay.:rolleyes:

Loughyunijen
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:38 PM
I really think some of you guys were being harsh with Lindsay she is one of THE nicest player's on the court.......prove.............winning the WTa palyer's player's award twice where by player's vote the winner. Lindsay has alot of respect from all players on the court.......i definately think she was hard done to by the seedings this year, especially at the US Open.........we all know she is one of the overlooked players on the tour if not teh only overlooked plater..............and the thing is...........she probably knows it too...........and she isn't bothered and doesn't make a big public fuss about it........because that is who she is. She comes to teh court....does her job.....and goes home. There's is more to life than tennis....and Lindsay Davenport knows it!

Full respect to Lindsay Davenport.......the most balanced and down to earth player on the Tour!

P.S VENUS FAN - Lindsay davenport and her "Lard Ass".......come on give me a break.....have you seen her this year she's fit and healthy....and looking good.

P.P.S VENUS FAN - Do you a recall a 3 setter at Bank of West recently??.......GO LINDSAY!

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:47 PM
Lindsay said what it is!!!!! She said it boldly,very honest and classy at the same time. Now if she is not right, then WTA can give their response back.

GO LINDSAY!!!! You surely can give WTA a better future!!!!

mykarma
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:52 PM
how is she a bitch umgh, umgh looks like someone is on there period, i am sorry u give venus fans a bad name umgh and venus an serena havent done much of anything in slams,no more than lindsay who has been consistent. Lard ass, wow i can smell the shit coming out of your mouth. Shit for brains stop giving venus names a bad name, and get over your period Lard ass.:fiery:Why would a comment by one person who happens to be a Venus fan, give Venus fans a bad name by a comment that person made? There are quite a few people on this board that continue to put all of the Williams sisters fans in one big ball. Please try an remember that each person is an individual, with their own opinion, no matter who their favorite is.

Loughyunijen
Sep 3rd, 2004, 04:59 PM
Queenlindsay - couldnt agree more..............honesty and integrity!

i would like to see the WTA's response!


GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S GO L.i.N.d.S

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:05 PM
highlighted for the slow, illiterate and argumentative

and no, you're not right, and you never were. Serena was mentioned, ok? :)
ok you know that his whole post was about venus right? hence the whole "you give Venus fans a bad name."

and yes I was right, especially when I said Lindsay would kick Venus's and Serena's ass this summer...sorry bout that, but you'll get used to it in time :lol:

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:18 PM
ok you know that his whole post was about venus right? hence the whole "you give Venus fans a bad name."

and yes I was right, especially when I said Lindsay would kick Venus's and Serena's ass this summer...sorry bout that, but you'll get used to it in time :lol:

in case you didn't realise, i responded DIRECTLY to the part where he said "venus and serena havent done much of anything in slams,no more than lindsay who has been consistent", to which i pointed out that Serena has done more in the two slams that SHE has played this year than Lindsay has done in the same two slams. did you honestly not see that? :) didn't think so, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did.

you were not right about what we were discussing, you were wrong, and upon that being pointed out to you, you change the subject completely onto something i have never discussed with you :confused: the typical example of someone who has made themselves look foolish due to failing to read the post properly. and re. Lindsay's wins, i'm sure you would love for me to respond with "ner ner ner my fave is better than yours", keeping consistent with your immature tone, but not only do i love Lindsay, not only am i better than that, and not only does tennis mean very little to me in the context of my life, but i don't give a fuck</lil john>. thank you :cool:

DA FOREHAND
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:34 PM
I didn't know they cut her off after 3 months. :eek:
it doesn't carry over into the next year...had she comeback in april...she would have been able to use special seeding for rest of year.

I don't understand why that's so hard to fathom.

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:45 PM
in case you didn't realise, i responded DIRECTLY to the part where he said "venus and serena havent done much of anything in slams,no more than lindsay who has been consistent", to which i pointed out that Serena has done more in the two slams that SHE has played this year than Lindsay has done in the same two slams. did you honestly not see that? :) didn't think so, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did.

you were not right about what we were discussing, you were wrong, and upon that being pointed out to you, you change the subject completely onto something i have never discussed with you :confused: the typical example of someone who has made themselves look foolish due to failing to read the post properly. and re. Lindsay's wins, i'm sure you would love for me to respond with "ner ner ner my fave is better than yours", keeping consistent with your immature tone, but not only do i love Lindsay, not only am i better than that, and not only does tennis mean very little to me in the context of my life, but i don't give a fuck</lil john>. thank you :cool:
ok in this case you are right, I honestly didn't know you were responding directly to the part about Venus AND Serena's results, maybe you should have quoted just that part instead of the whole thing.

and I'm not about "my fave beat yours" blah blah either because I like S/V as well but I feel sometimes like its ok for Williams fans to do that but when they lose it's only because of their bad play or injuries or whatever.

you "love" Lindsay, yet tennis isn't a big part of your life? either that's very contradictory or you live one very sad life. Tennis is a big part of my life, hence why I love Lindsay. At any rate, I don't give a fuck about you either, so it's mutual ;)

!<blocparty>!
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:53 PM
it doesn't carry over into the next year...had she comeback in april...she would have been able to use special seeding for rest of year.

I don't understand why that's so hard to fathom.

Well, it is pretty easy to understand why this is a talking point. The smallest things in tennis these days, tend to be big talking points on this board.

I don't think most Lindsay fans are that bothered to be really honest, and are only commenting on it because of what she said in her recent interview.

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 06:36 PM
Well, it is pretty easy to understand why this is a talking point. The smallest things in tennis these days, tend to be big talking points on this board.

I don't think most Lindsay fans are that bothered to be really honest, and are only commenting on it because of what she said in her recent interview.
True. If anything, it could be a blessing in disguise. It's almost like she's playing better as if to prove to herself and to those who seed her lower that maybe she deserved that higher seed. I think it's great motivation for her! :)

DeDe4925
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:15 PM
I don't see how the rules have changed. If her special ranking/seeding came at the end of the season, why would it carry over? I thought she got them for all the tourneys (7) she played, including whatever majors she entered. Serena hasn't used all hers up and why should she not be special seeded? I don't understand what Lindsay is talking about.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:19 PM
I don't see how the rules have changed. If her special ranking/seeding came at the end of the season, why would it carry over. I thought she got them for all the tourneys (7) she played, including whatever majors she entered. Serena has used all hers up and why should she not be special seeded? I don't understand what Lindsay is talking about.
Lindsay is talking about Grandslams!!! They are not included in the 8 tournaments. She only got 1 GS.

VS Fan
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:21 PM
Hmmm... I think the special seedings last for eight tourneys, EXCLUDING the Grand Slams.

The slams can seed however ther wish, regardless of rankings or special seeding.

The ONLY way seeding Serena lower, or any other top player could help is if you are lucky and she is placed well away from you in the draw. Then you just hope she gets knocked off.

However, If you are to be the champion of any slam event, you still have to beat seven other players, and it should NOT matter who they are.

The Crow
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:26 PM
Lindsay :yeah:

And why is it not carried over in the next year? :confused: Seeding is based on the past 52 weeks so, how does the end of the year has to do with anything? :confused:

Joana
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:08 PM
Please, enough with this meaningless arguments blah Venus this blah Serena that blah Lindsay this blah my fave is always right and can do no wrong and let's worship the ground she walks on and don't you dare something negative about her because she is a goddess or a queen or a princess or some other stupid thing like that.

SJW
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:38 PM
ok in this case you are right, I honestly didn't know you were responding directly to the part about Venus AND Serena's results, maybe you should have quoted just that part instead of the whole thing.

and I'm not about "my fave beat yours" blah blah either because I like S/V as well but I feel sometimes like its ok for Williams fans to do that but when they lose it's only because of their bad play or injuries or whatever.

you "love" Lindsay, yet tennis isn't a big part of your life? either that's very contradictory or you live one very sad life. Tennis is a big part of my life, hence why I love Lindsay. At any rate, I don't give a fuck about you either, so it's mutual ;)

i "love" Lindsay because she's a lovely lady who i've had the pleasure of meeting a few times. she's a very nice person. that's why i like her. "love" is maybe a bit too much, but she's a sweetheart and i'm glad that Serena (and maybe Venus...?) look up to her.

DeDe4925
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:42 PM
Please, enough with this meaningless arguments blah Venus this blah Serena that blah Lindsay this blah my fave is always right and can do no wrong and let's worship the ground she walks on and don't you dare something negative about her because she is a goddess or a queen or a princess or some other stupid thing like that.
I don't think that's the tone of the discussion. We were talking about seedings and special seedings and whether the rules changed between Lindsay's injury and Vee and Rena's.

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:46 PM
Please, enough with this meaningless arguments blah Venus this blah Serena that blah Lindsay this blah my fave is always right and can do no wrong and let's worship the ground she walks on and don't you dare something negative about her because she is a goddess or a queen or a princess or some other stupid thing like that.
agreed ;)

LindsayRulez
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:47 PM
i "love" Lindsay because she's a lovely lady who i've had the pleasure of meeting a few times. she's a very nice person. that's why i like her. "love" is maybe a bit too much, but she's a sweetheart and i'm glad that Serena (and maybe Venus...?) look up to her.
good reasons, it's hard not to like her

The Crow
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
I don't think that's the tone of the discussion. We were talking about seedings and special seedings and whether the rules changed between Lindsay's injury and Vee and Rena's.
lol and by coincidence most Lindsay fans in here are applauding Lindsay's interview and most Williams fans are critisizing it ;) But that's only natural I guess...

gweeny
Sep 3rd, 2004, 08:50 PM
I think Lindsay has always been treated as a less important star in her tennis career. I remember reading in the book Venus Envy how when she and Martina Hingis were boarding a plane, and how they allowed Martina to take her tennis rackets on the plane as a carry-on, and they didn't allow Lindsay to do the same.

I think because Lindsay has always been quiet and laid back, many people (media, WTA) have treated her as a "regular' tennis player. Instead of giving her some of the benefits of a 3-time grand slam tennis player.

I think Lindsay, should speak out if she thinks she is been treated unfairly. For the most part, Lindsay has been an ultimate professional throughout her career, and if she believes that she was treated unfairly, it probably is true.

Of course, I would love Venus to beat Lindsay (if they should meet), but if Lindsay wins the US open, I will be happy for her.

!<blocparty>!
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:02 PM
lol and by coincidence most Lindsay fans in here are applauding Lindsay's interview and most Williams fans are critisizing it ;) But that's only natural I guess...
;)

Yeah, and one Williams fans even went as far as calling her a f*****G B***H and commenting on her "large" ass because she gave her views - not really offending anyone, on a questions asked to her by the press.

bandabou
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:04 PM
lol and by coincidence most Lindsay fans in here are applauding Lindsay's interview and most Williams fans are critisizing it ;) But that's only natural I guess...


Because there has been plenty of ranting about it already..and because it seems like all the shots are directed at Serena...and that to me ain´t right.

DeDe4925
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:45 PM
lol and by coincidence most Lindsay fans in here are applauding Lindsay's interview and most Williams fans are critisizing it ;) But that's only natural I guess...
I haven't seen any Williams' fans critisizing Lindsay's interview, just what she said about the special seedings and it's really not a criticism, but a query into what she's talking about.

DeDe4925
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:52 PM
;)

Yeah, and one Williams fans even went as far as calling her a f*****G B***H and commenting on her "large" ass because she gave her views - not really offending anyone, on a questions asked to her by the press.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Crow is not partial. ;) :lol: :lol:

bis2806
Sep 4th, 2004, 11:44 AM
LOL I think Jennifer's "you know"s are wonderful!
You know, I think it's more like you know hilarious :lol:

Crazy_Fool
Sep 4th, 2004, 11:54 AM
I think Lindsay has always been treated as a less important star in her tennis career. I remember reading in the book Venus Envy how when she and Martina Hingis were boarding a plane, and how they allowed Martina to take her tennis rackets on the plane as a carry-on, and they didn't allow Lindsay to do the same.

I think because Lindsay has always been quiet and laid back, many people (media, WTA) have treated her as a "regular' tennis player. Instead of giving her some of the benefits of a 3-time grand slam tennis player.

I think Lindsay, should speak out if she thinks she is been treated unfairly. For the most part, Lindsay has been an ultimate professional throughout her career, and if she believes that she was treated unfairly, it probably is true.

Of course, I would love Venus to beat Lindsay (if they should meet), but if Lindsay wins the US open, I will be happy for her.
:worship: :worship: Best post for a long time ;)