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Andrew.
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:07 AM
NEW HAVEN, Connecticut
August 19, 2004

The Pilot Pen Tennis Tournament suffered major blows on the last day that players could enter. Six players on the main draw entry list withdrew, including Ai Sugiyama and former top four player Jelena Dokic.

Anne Worcester, the Pilot Pen's tournament director, had extended a wildcard to former world number one Venus Williams. The wildcard was declined by Williams, who will now be heading to Flushing Meadows to prepare for the US Open.

The highest ranked player to receive a wildcard was American Lisa Raymond, a quarterfinalist at this year's Australian Open.

GoldenSlam
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:09 AM
I hope Dokic is skipping US Open too.
Good luck recovering Venus....it's US Open, dont repeat the slam results you had this year.

jirobkk
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:16 AM
Hope Tammy can make the main draw.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:19 AM
I hope that LILIA gets a WC or even AMY if she does well in CINCI...they may just "extend" the WC to her if that happins... ;)

Andrew.
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:19 AM
According to another article I just read, Marissa Irvin and Ashley Harkleroad were given the other main draw wildcards. Flavia Panetta, Tanasugarn and Chladkova will be the top seeds for qualifying.

SzavayFi
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:20 AM
awww JELENA!

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:24 AM
Once I saw Sugiyama was in the medal round for doubles, I knew she was going to withdraw. I also hear that Molik withdrew yesterday and if Myskina is entered in Pilot Pen, she may wihtdraw too.

What I don't understand is why Venus declined a wildcard:rolleyes: . Lord knows she could use the extra play to fine tune the kinks in her game.

Andrew.
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 AM
Once I saw Sugiyama was in the medal round for doubles, I knew she was going to withdraw. I also hear that Molik withdrew yesterday and if Myskina is entered in Pilot Pen, she may wihtdraw too.

What I don't understand is why Venus declined a wildcard:rolleyes: . Lord knows she could use the extra play to fine tune the kinks in her game. Myskina isn't entered.

Havok
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 AM
I knew Jelena was gonna pull out.:( I hope she actually does something at the Us Open without any practice on hardcourts prior to the event, but in all seriousness, I just want her to show up at the damn event. :tape:

pcrtennis
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:27 AM
I guess I should have expected this from Ai....She's got some Gold to win there in Athens!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:36 AM
:mad::sad: Jelena

Andrew.
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:38 AM
Here is a much better article:

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) -- The Pilot Pen Tennis Tournament gave its three wild cards Thursday to Olympic player Lisa Raymond and two other Americans, while it lost other players to the Olympics and injury.

No. 40 Raymond, who is also a top-ranked doubles player, enters the tournament on a wild card, along with No. 80 Mashona Washington and No. 91 Shenay Perry.

Some players who planned to compete, including No. 13 Ai Sugiyama of Japan and No. 15 Paola Suarez of Argentina, dropped out of the tournament because they were still playing in the Olympics by the time of the entry deadline.

Other players withdrew because of injury and illness. No. 18 Karolina Sprem of Croatia and No. 34 Jelena Dokic of Serbia both pulled out because they said they needed more time to rest before the U.S. Open. No. 46 Tara Pisnik of Slovenia dropped out because of a neck injury.

Players who are taking the places of the dropouts include No. 42 Jelena Jankovic of Serbia, and No. 48 Tamarine Tanasugarn of Thailand.

Meanwhile, Carolyn McVeigh, 14, of New Canaan, was given a wild-card entry into the qualifying draw.

Play begins with qualifying rounds Friday. The finals are scheduled for Aug. 28 at the Connecticut Tennis Center at Yale.

esquímaux
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:42 AM
I knew Jelena was gonna pull out.:( I hope she actually does something at the Us Open without any practice on hardcourts prior to the event, but in all seriousness, I just want her to show up at the damn event. :tape::hug::lol::wavey:

Have you answered my PM from MTF? :hehehe::angel:

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:58 AM
:hug::lol::wavey:

Have you answered my PM from MTF? :hehehe::angel: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave: :wazzup:

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:00 AM
[QUOTE=Andrew.]Here is a much better article:

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) -- The Pilot Pen Tennis Tournament gave its three wild cards Thursday to Olympic player Lisa Raymond and two other Americans, while it lost other players to the Olympics and injury.

No. 40 Raymond, who is also a top-ranked doubles player, enters the tournament on a wild card, along with No. 80 Mashona Washington and No. 91 Shenay Perry.

Some players who planned to compete, including No. 13 Ai Sugiyama of Japan and No. 15 Paola Suarez of Argentina, dropped out of the tournament because they were still playing in the Olympics by the time of the entry deadline.

Other players withdrew because of injury and illness. No. 18 Karolina Sprem of Croatia and No. 34 Jelena Dokic of Serbia both pulled out because they said they needed more time to rest before the U.S. Open. No. 46 Tara Pisnik of Slovenia dropped out because of a neck injury.

Players who are taking the places of the dropouts include No. 42 Jelena Jankovic of Serbia, and No. 48 Tamarine Tanasugarn of Thailand.

Meanwhile, Carolyn McVeigh, 14, of New Canaan, was given a wild-card entry into the qualifying draw.

Play begins with qualifying rounds Friday. The finals are scheduled for Aug. 28 at the Connecticut Tennis Center at Yale.[/QUOTE Does anyone see a TREND with the WCs from this tourney and the US open ?? :eek: :confused:

rockbottom
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:17 AM
That's a smart move from Venus. She thought it over and realizes she would not want to get a whippin from Sharapova.

GoldenSlam
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:20 AM
Well, Maria is the last of her concern, there are worse top 10 players in the draw which Venus has yet to beat this year. Hopefully she will get to upset some top 10 players in US Open.

pcrtennis
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:24 AM
That's a smart move from Venus. She thought it over and realizes she would not want to get a whippin from Sharapova.

In Hong Kong Venus won in easy straight sets...Venus would make Sharapova cry and walk off the court again if she played her... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mr_Molik
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:02 AM
alicia better have withdrawn

Havok
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:14 AM
:hug::lol::wavey:

Have you answered my PM from MTF? :hehehe::angel:Yes I did Mr. Check your e-mails.:p

rockbottom
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:08 AM
In Hong Kong Venus won in easy straight sets...Venus would make Sharapova cry and walk off the court again if she played her... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:That was like a year ago laughing man.

thelittlestelf
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:19 AM
That was like a year ago laughing man.

That was in January after Venus was out of tennis competition for months, cocky man.

rockbottom
Aug 20th, 2004, 05:10 AM
That was in January after Venus was out of tennis competition for months, cocky man.And it was an exhibition match...clitoris man.

stevenPRIDE
Aug 20th, 2004, 05:33 AM
good news for jen, come on jen keep your title!

steve.

pcrtennis
Aug 20th, 2004, 05:42 AM
And it was an exhibition match...clitoris man.


Let's not bring the maturity level down too much... :rolleyes:

Lapin
Aug 20th, 2004, 10:20 AM
No. 46 Tara Pisnik of Slovenia dropped out because of a neck injury.



Tara? :confused: :p ;)

Poor Tina, I hope she recovers soon from that car accident, such bad luck...

Andrew.
Aug 20th, 2004, 10:22 AM
The following players have moved into the main draw as of today:

Jelena Jankovic (No. 42) of Serbia, Tamarine Tanasugarn (No. 48) of Thailand, Claudine Schaul (No. 50) of Luxembourg, Denisa Chladkova (No. 54) of Czech Republic, Magui Serna (No. 65) of Spain, and Akiko Morigami (No. 68).

Lemonskin.
Aug 20th, 2004, 10:24 AM
Easier for Sharapova to do well, then!

jenny161185
Aug 20th, 2004, 10:33 AM
Jen isn t playing is she???

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Once I saw Sugiyama was in the medal round for doubles, I knew she was going to withdraw. I also hear that Molik withdrew yesterday and if Myskina is entered in Pilot Pen, she may wihtdraw too.

What I don't understand is why Venus declined a wildcard:rolleyes: . Lord knows she could use the extra play to fine tune the kinks in her game.


Liz, Venus is still injured. I will really be surprise if she plays in the Open. She's still undecided.

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:51 PM
Liz, Venus is still injured. I will really be surprise if she plays in the Open. She's still undecided.

boggs will you just stop already!

If you've got something to say, say it!
Stop with the dangling of a carrot here and
there and spill it if you know something, please!

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:57 PM
Liz, Venus is still injured. I will really be surprise if she plays in the Open. She's still undecided.
If she is still injured, then why did she go to Athens when she could have withdrawn before the deadline?

As of now, she didn't say she wasn't playing, so until that happens, stop playing games.

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:58 PM
boggs will you just stop already!

If you've got something to say, say it!
Stop with the dangling of a carrot here and
there and spill it if you know something, please!
He doesn't know a damn thing because when I sent him a PM about what is allegedly wrong with Venus, he did't send me a PM.

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:00 PM
He doesn't know a damn thing because when I sent him a PM about what is allegedly wrong with Venus, he did't send me a PM.

Ditto!

Jorn
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Tina :sad: get well soon!!

But good Magui is playing here!!

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:19 PM
boggs will you just stop already!

If you've got something to say, say it!
Stop with the dangling of a carrot here and
there and spill it if you know something, please!

I am not dangling any carrots Kabuke I am just telling you guys what you need to be aware of and what little I know. I will not be giving out any important information that I was told in confidence. I am just telling you what I am allow to say and no more.

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 PM
I am not dangling any carrots Kabuke I am just telling you guys what you need to be aware of and what little I know. I will not be giving out any important information that I was told in confidence. I am just telling you what I am allow to say and no more.
Well, what little do you know?

Is she still injured?

Is she really undecided about playing the Open?

What about Serena?

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 PM
I am not dangling any carrots Kabuke I am just telling you guys what you need to be aware of and what little I know. I will not be giving out any important information that I was told in confidence. I am just telling you what I am allow to say and no more.

Then, you were just better off keeping it
to yourself in the first place!

Sorry, but telling us Venus is still injured
(getting our attention and concern) and
may not play the Open but, I can't tell you
the rest of what I know, that is "dangling" a carrot.

Glenn
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Flavia!
Stop tiring yourself!

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Then, you were just better off keeping it
to yourself in the first place!

Sorry, but telling us Venus is still injured
(getting our attention and concern) and
may not play the Open but, I can't tell you
the rest of what I know, that is "dangling" a carrot.

Exactly!

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:26 PM
If she is still injured, then why did she go to Athens when she could have withdrawn before the deadline?

As of now, she didn't say she wasn't playing, so until that happens, stop playing games.

Ofcourse she did not say she wasn't playing. I said she was undecided Venus made a commitment to Zina to play in the Olympics and she stuck to that commitment. We all know that Vee is hard headed that is why she's in the predicament she's in now with injuries which started in Warsaw and got progressively worse at '03 Wimbeldon. She was told not to play in the French Open and she did not listen. She felt an obligation to play Wimbeldon and she's still paying the price for that.

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:27 PM
Ofcourse she did not say she wasn't playing. I said she was undecided Venus made a commitment to Zina to play in the Olympics and she stuck to that commitment. We all know that Vee is hard headed that is why she's in the predicament she's in now with injuries which started in Warsaw and got progressively worse at '03 Wimbeldon. She was told not to play in the French Open and she did not listen. She felt an obligation to play Wimbeldon and she's still paying the price for that.
Do you mean she is still suffering from a torn abdominal muscle?

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:27 PM
He doesn't know a damn thing because when I sent him a PM about what is allegedly wrong with Venus, he did't send me a PM.

As I said before I got your PM but I am not giving out important information that I was told in confidence I am only telling you the information I was told to give out.

Dave B
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:34 PM
As I said before I got your PM but I am not giving out important information that I was told in confidence I am only telling you the information I was told to give out.

I am confused. Why are you privy to information on Venus' health?

Furthermore, why would Venus just not say anything in interviews?

Furthermore, why has she not been taking injury timeouts?

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:34 PM
As I said before I got your PM but I am not giving out important information that I was told in confidence I am only telling you the information I was told to give out.

Our point is, if it was given to you
in such confidence then, why are you telling
us anything? Nothing against you but, it's as if
you're toying with people, ala "I know something you don't know".

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:36 PM
I am confused. Why are you privy to information on Venus' health?

Furthermore, why would Venus just not say anything in interviews?

Furthermore, why has she not been taking injury timeouts?
Good point.

I don't doubt that her wrist is probably a little sore, but I think she had gotten over the sprain.

New
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Dokic!!! :sad: When are you coming back??? :sad:

As for Venus... it's her decision, stop harping on it... I'm sure she has her reasons for withdrawing... anyway, it's US Open next... let us not forget the tournament winners before Wimbledon all crashed out ... Mary, Srichaphan and Sveta...Maybe it's a good thing to rest... :)

But I think Lindsay will win and still advance well in the US Open :bounce:

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:46 PM
I am confused. Why are you privy to information on Venus' health?

Furthermore, why would Venus just not say anything in interviews?

Furthermore, why has she not been taking injury timeouts?

When was the last time you heard Venus or Serena commented about their health in any interview? You will hear other players doing that but not V or S.
I never said I was privy to information on Vee's health.

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:46 PM
Do you mean she is still suffering from a torn abdominal muscle?

Liz, I never said she was still suffering from a torn abdominal muscle.

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:48 PM
Our point is, if it was given to you
in such confidence then, why are you telling
us anything? Nothing against you but, it's as if
you're toying with people, ala "I know something you don't know".


I am only telling you what you need to know. Confidential info I keep to myself. Anyway, I have nothing more to say surrounding V&S.

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Liz, I never said she was still suffering from a torn abdominal muscle.
boggs, with such vagueness you must be aware
of how you're coming off and sending mixed signals.

lizchris
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:51 PM
I am only telling you what you need to know. Confidential info I keep to myself. Anyway, I have nothing more to say surrounding V&S.
I don't think you should have said anything in the first place.

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:08 PM
I don't think you should have said anything in the first place.


You are right I should not have said anything.

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:12 PM
You are right I should not have said anything.

You really shouldn't have.
We don't know wheather you're telling the
truth or just lying and seeking some attention.

Venus is a grown woman and no matter the
circumstance she'll do what she feels she needs to.

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:23 PM
You really shouldn't have.
We don't know wheather you're telling the
truth or just lying and seeking some attention.

Venus is a grown women and no matter the
circumstance she'll do what she feels she needs to.

I do not need attention and I do not lie. From now on I will keep all info to myself be it important or not.

Dave B
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:31 PM
When was the last time you heard Venus or Serena commented about their health in any interview? You will hear other players doing that but not V or S.
I never said I was privy to information on Vee's health.

Here is where you say you are privy:

I am only telling you what you need to know. Confidential info I keep to myself. Anyway, I have nothing more to say surrounding V&S.

You are implying that you know something through some source of information that others are not priviledged too. Venus and Serena do talk about there injuries when people ask about them. They also usually retire and withdraw...more than most players. What does Venus stand to gain by keeping her injury a secret? Accept she would of course make sure and tell one semi-trustworthy watworld poster :rolleyes:

Paneru
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:32 PM
I do not need attention and I do not lie. From now on I will keep all info to myself be it important or not.

Good for you! :wavey:

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:38 PM
Here is where you say you are privy:



You are implying that you know something through some source of information that others are not priviledged too. Venus and Serena do talk about there injuries when people ask about them. They also usually retire and withdraw...more than most players. What does Venus stand to gain by keeping her injury a secret? Accept she would of course make sure and tell one semi-trustworthy watworld poster :rolleyes:

No, they do not talk about their injuries what they would say is "I'm doing o.k, or that's another issue" things like that. When they withdraw that is when you usually here about the injuries but never in a press conference do they talk about their injuries. Please tell me when was the last time you ever heard them discuss their injuries in a press conference.

Dave B
Aug 20th, 2004, 02:48 PM
No, they do not talk about their injuries what they would say is "I'm doing o.k, or that's another issue" things like that. When they withdraw that is when you usually here about the injuries but never in a press conference do they talk about their injuries. Please tell me when was the last time you ever heard them discuss their injuries in a press conference.


When Venus had her ongoing Abdominal Strain she talked about it after almost every match...shockingly, maybe Venus hasn't talked about her injury because she is fine. I dunno about you, but I trust Venus is telling the truth when she says she is healthy, like she has recently. Besides, I still have no idea why:

1. She wouldn't have withdrawn/taken an injury timeout. Venus has in the past played past an injury like you clim she is doing her, but she at least took injury time outs, and even when she didn't she was completly honest with the media about her injury.

2. You know this information and nobody else does. This confuses me the most. If you were close enough to recieve this information, it is very unlikely you would be a wtaworld poster, and if you were to spill something you would certaintly do it to the media where you could make some cash. Plus it is doubtful you would spill that she had an injury, but what kind of injury is confidential. That is silly! Why would you stop? You have already spilled the important information if it is valid, why suddenly make a big deal about the kind of injury, like it makes a difference? Maybe so you can claim that what you were talking about is the next injury Venus has???

3. Could Venus really be seeing a doctor/getting professional advice on an injury wherever she goes/seeing trainers with no spill except one WTA world poster?

4. I still have no idea why Venus would bother lieing to the media over and over again and taking steps to hide an injury....

boggs570
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:12 PM
When Venus had her ongoing Abdominal Strain she talked about it after almost every match...shockingly, maybe Venus hasn't talked about her injury because she is fine. I dunno about you, but I trust Venus is telling the truth when she says she is healthy, like she has recently. Besides, I still have no idea why:

1. She wouldn't have withdrawn/taken an injury timeout. Venus has in the past played past an injury like you clim she is doing her, but she at least took injury time outs, and even when she didn't she was completly honest with the media about her injury.

2. You know this information and nobody else does. This confuses me the most. If you were close enough to recieve this information, it is very unlikely you would be a wtaworld poster, and if you were to spill something you would certaintly do it to the media where you could make some cash. Plus it is doubtful you would spill that she had an injury, but what kind of injury is confidential. That is silly! Why would you stop? You have already spilled the important information if it is valid, why suddenly make a big deal about the kind of injury, like it makes a difference? Maybe so you can claim that what you were talking about is the next injury Venus has???

3. Could Venus really be seeing a doctor/getting professional advice on an injury wherever she goes/seeing trainers with no spill except one WTA world poster?

4. I still have no idea why Venus would bother lieing to the media over and over again and taking steps to hide an injury....

My dear everybody is not money hungry. If I am told something in confidence that is where it will stay with me alone. I will tell you the little stuff that is mostly already known but nothing else. Haven't you heard in many of Vee's press conference when she is asked about her injuries she would always say "that is another issue or I will rather not talk about it". She's not lying she's just saying she is fine. The girls do not talk about their injuries.

Dave B
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:00 PM
My dear everybody is not money hungry. If I am told something in confidence that is where it will stay with me alone. I will tell you the little stuff that is mostly already known but nothing else. Haven't you heard in many of Vee's press conference when she is asked about her injuries she would always say "that is another issue or I will rather not talk about it". She's not lying she's just saying she is fine. The girls do not talk about their injuries.

First of all, you are not telling people little things they already know. Nobody else knows she is injured except for you supposidly. You did break confidence if a secret has been told.

In http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=129125:

Q. Are you a hundred percent healthy?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I'm feeling well, thank you. Feeling well.

Is in her interview after her loss, which you asked for.


This has been the curxe of what she has said. I don't think most players walk around saying "I have no injury everyone", she has answered the questions peole asked of her. If you insist that she would lie about her injury stauts then I still don't understand why:


1. She wouldn't have withdrawn/taken an injury timeout. Venus has in the past played past an injury like you clim she is doing her, but she at least took injury time outs, and even when she didn't she was completly honest with the media about her injury.

2. You know this information and nobody else does. This confuses me the most. If you were close enough to recieve this information, it is very unlikely you would be a wtaworld poster, and if you were to spill something you would certaintly do it to the media where you could make some cash. Plus it is doubtful you would spill that she had an injury, but what kind of injury is confidential. That is silly! Why would you stop? You have already spilled the important information if it is valid, why suddenly make a big deal about the kind of injury, like it makes a difference? Maybe so you can claim that what you were talking about is the next injury Venus has???

3. Could Venus really be seeing a doctor/getting professional advice on an injury wherever she goes/seeing trainers with no spill except one WTA world poster?

CoryAnnAvants#1
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:13 PM
Meanwhile, Carolyn McVeigh, 14, of New Canaan, was given a wild-card entry into the qualifying draw.


:eek: :o You have got to be kidding me. Carolyn lives ten minutes away from me...she won the 18-and-under sectionals last month, but New England is also one of the weakest sections in the country. She's very good for her age, but she isn't even among the top 60 in 18-and-under nationals. She'd be one of the pack in 10K qualies...if she gets more than a game against anybody in the draw I'd be shocked.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:20 PM
:eek: :o You have got to be kidding me. Carolyn lives ten minutes away from me...she won the 18-and-under sectionals last month, but New England is also one of the weakest sections in the country. She's very good for her age, but she isn't even among the top 60 in 18-and-under nationals. She'd be one of the pack in 10K qualies...if she gets more than a game against anybody in the draw I'd be shocked.
I take that back she drew a 35 year old semi bagel-girl in the first round:o. She actually has a shot.

And I'm fuckin PISSED I'm at college right now BTW...this qualifying draw is so good...so many good matches I'd love to see, as well as a few bagel girls in action...

SharapovaKixA$$
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:35 PM
jelena :cry:

i hope she does something in the USO