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Jakeev
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:15 PM
With Lisa and Martina now out of the Olympics, I am beginning to wonder if the American's poor performance in Athens is a warning sign of things to come in the next 10 years?

I have to be honest, I have been trying hard not to buy in to the opinions that the U.S. is losing it's clout in tennis. When several American veterans failed to get to any medal round of an Olympic event, it makes me wonder what is gonna happen in China in 2008 and in the future.

Am I just being paranoid? Or is this a serious issue that the USTA needs totally focus on. Maybe I am just sad for the lack of good results but either way it's an issue to think about.

*kaz*
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:18 PM
I totally agree. American women's tennis is going to be in trouble when Venus, Serena, Lindsay and Jen retire. In 5 years time I think all of them will be off the tour and I can't see who's going to take over. Atleast America still has some really good young players in the mens game.

GoDominique
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:20 PM
It is. But even without Athens it's not hard to predict that US tennis will be in trouble in a few years.

VeeNMaria4Eva
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:23 PM
Women's American tennis has been exceptionnal, with so many great players... Linsday, Jennifer, Venus, Serena, Monica, ... However it can't always stay that way. Let's just wait in 5 years, so many things can happen, and new U.S. stars might appear on the Tour.

Doc
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:24 PM
The new stars are just not appearing.

*kaz*
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:25 PM
It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.

mboyle
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:34 PM
American girls just don't have the work ethic that the Eastern European girls do. When Serena retires, that will be the death knoll for American women's tennis. By then, the Russians will have like 8 of the top 10 spots:o .

Joana
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:47 PM
It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.
What girls?

decemberlove
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:55 PM
It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.
why is it weird?

its part of the american dream.

the gov't doesnt pay for the training. its private companies. and they can do as they please. if they see a player with more talent and potential from a foreign country, why wouldnt they want to train them?

mboyle
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:56 PM
What girls?
:worship: I kept saying that in the US Open WC thing. Everyone was like, "blah blah blah Stevenson is so bad, she will be roadkill for everyone in the main draw blah blah blah, they should have given the WC to our "up and coming" players." I am sorry, but we have ZERO girls under 18 in the top 200. If you increase the threshold to under 20, that leaves us with three. We have no up and comers, no girls worthy of the cash and coaching recieved by hardworking talents like Vaidisova and Golovin.

Pureracket
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:01 PM
Well, it's this kinda what everybody on the board wants? The latest form of American dominance was the Williams Sisters. Their existence, along with JenCap's, totally brought out the madness. In fact, there are posters who have screen names that do nothing but post mean post about the Sisters (no other players have that issue on this board).

It seems hypocritical to start "clutching the pearls" now that you've done all you could to kill them off. . ..LOL!!!!!

loppy
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:12 PM
What girls?Steffi & Andre's girl ;)

Seriously, Monica & Martin N weren't born Amercians. That's an altrernate to growing your own talents. Could Maria be the next import?

loppy
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:18 PM
By the way, the Americans are spoiled by years of dominating the tour. We poor neighbours to the north have only one successful player in recent years and guess what - She played for FRANCE! :fiery:

Snuffkin
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:20 PM
To put the Olympics into context, the US team lost 2 of their top 2 players before events got underway. I'm not saying Serena or Jen would have won, but had they been fit, chances are one of them may have medalled.

As for the future, well, let's look at the current crop. Taking Lindsay out and leaving Jen, Venus and Serena, these guys are products not of a training system at national level, but of insistent fathers who pushed their kids in the absence of weekly lessons down the tennis club. In all honesty, can we say they came through a tennis system put forward by the USTA? No. Probably not. I know Jen had a USTA coach back in the early 90s but they got on the bandwagon long after she'd made her breakthrough.

Question for the Americans, what is your national programme like? Is it likely to produce future stars? Has it in the past? If not, is it possible that you got lucky with some strong-willed parents and reaped the benefits there? I'm not familiar with the system so that's why I'm asking.

Just a happy thought though, back in the mid to late 90s, Jen was elsewhere, Lindsay was yet to win big, Monica was out (and not yet a US citizen I think, not sure) and Venus and Serena were still to hit the tour. A few years later, you dominated the Slams winning 11 consecutive titles from the middle of 2000, unless my maths and memory are wrong. Anything can happen.

Also, do you think the potential talent is pushed aside by poor TV coverage or is there enough broadcasted to keep casual observers interested?

Joana
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:40 PM
Just a happy thought though, back in the mid to late 90s, Jen was elsewhere, Lindsay was yet to win big, Monica was out (and not yet a US citizen I think, not sure) and Venus and Serena were still to hit the tour. A few years later, you dominated the Slams winning 11 consecutive titles from the middle of 2000, unless my maths and memory are wrong. Anything can happen.


Yes, but, at that time V&S were already known. Venus played her first pro match at the age of 14 and won a set to #2 ranked player. People were already talking about them. Lindsay was a great junior player and she beat Sabatini in her first pro tournament, reaching the finals of WTA Championships in her first full year on tour. I don't see something like that happening now.

SzavayFi
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:43 PM
Yea womens tennis seems to sorta be dieing........but americas men are doing awesome here, My fave. Taylor Dent is in the semi's and mardy fish, an american is in the semi's too, but u never know if any girl might break through at any moment.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:51 PM
:lol: No..because Martina, Venus,Chanda and Lisa are not the future of american womens tennis..they are barely even the present..if Serena, Lindsay, Jennifer and Amy would have gone things would have been allot different..such a shame...

Stamp Paid
Aug 19th, 2004, 11:38 PM
:lol: No..because Martina, Venus,Chanda and Lisa are not the future of american womens tennis..they are barely even the present..if Serena, Lindsay, Jennifer and Amy would have gone things would have been allot different..such a shame...
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tenn_ace
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:02 AM
I'm sure there is another Martina N. or Monica somewhere in the world, so everything will be ok...

GermanBoy
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:49 AM
I really see that problem. Don`t want to think about Lindsay`s or Jen`s retirement. Can`t imagine what tennis will be without them. :sad: :sad: :sad:

We all should think positive. We German people thought tennis would be dead without Steffi and now we have Marlene Weingärtner. We were wrong, tennis isn`t dead, Germany is still a top nation in women`s tennis... :haha: :haha: :haha:

esquímaux
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:52 AM
Don't worry, as soon as moulton-levy and falcon mature, happiness will resume :angel:

GoldenSlam
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:02 AM
The best hopes America has are probably Jessica Kirkland and Carly Gullickson.
I dont think they have a chance to medal in Beijing though. Athens is pretty much the last chance for any American player except Serena to get a gold medal.

stenen
Aug 20th, 2004, 11:15 AM
The ironic thing is that the American players were pretty much the only tennis players who didn't sleep in the Olympic village but stayed at the hotel. See how well it went for Americans ;)

Doraemon
Aug 20th, 2004, 11:59 AM
Well American women's tennis may not be doing all too well recently.. but that's just relative. They were doing rather too well when there were like 6 Americans in the top 10 and lookin back at ten years ago, there was only 1 American top tenner (Davenport) so that's not the end of the world. Every country has its share of ups and downs and it's just the Americans happen to be on a down at the moment.

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:34 PM
To put the Olympics into context, the US team lost 2 of their top 2 players before events got underway. I'm not saying Serena or Jen would have won, but had they been fit, chances are one of them may have medalled.

As for the future, well, let's look at the current crop. Taking Lindsay out and leaving Jen, Venus and Serena, these guys are products not of a training system at national level, but of insistent fathers who pushed their kids in the absence of weekly lessons down the tennis club. In all honesty, can we say they came through a tennis system put forward by the USTA? No. Probably not. I know Jen had a USTA coach back in the early 90s but they got on the bandwagon long after she'd made her breakthrough.

Question for the Americans, what is your national programme like? Is it likely to produce future stars? Has it in the past? If not, is it possible that you got lucky with some strong-willed parents and reaped the benefits there? I'm not familiar with the system so that's why I'm asking.

Just a happy thought though, back in the mid to late 90s, Jen was elsewhere, Lindsay was yet to win big, Monica was out (and not yet a US citizen I think, not sure) and Venus and Serena were still to hit the tour. A few years later, you dominated the Slams winning 11 consecutive titles from the middle of 2000, unless my maths and memory are wrong. Anything can happen.

Also, do you think the potential talent is pushed aside by poor TV coverage or is there enough broadcasted to keep casual observers interested?


Agreed. The USTA is crap. They were grooming Lisa Raymond
as a huge star for the future in the mid 1990's! :lol:

We have to admit that the USTA had zilch in creating Venus, Serena,
Jen, Monica and even to some extent Chanda. These players came
out on their own. The USTA poked their head in their doors when
it looked to be the "real deal".

If we look at the second line- even Meg isn't much up with the USTA.
She's also a bit of a outsider.

Besides- Lindsay, MJF and Lisa Raymond, and
Stevenson. What has the USTA given us?


*Ashley Harkleroad hasn't lived up to expectations. Maria has! :p

bandabou
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:47 PM
And that is the sad part..the Americans didn´t appreciate the sisters. Sadly for them only now do they realise that the sisters were/are pretty much America´s only hope to have any top 10 players for the next couple of years.

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:53 PM
And that is the sad part..the Americans didn´t appreciate the sisters. Sadly for them only now do they realise that the sisters were/are pretty much America´s only hope to have any top 10 players for the next couple of years.


Let's face it Bandy. The Sisters "are" American tennis!

bandabou
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Let's face it Bandy. The Sisters "are" American tennis!


You said it...I hope they can regain their pre-injury forms and give us some more years of amazing display of athletiscism and great tennis.

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:21 PM
You said it...I hope they can regain their pre-injury forms and give us some more years of amazing display of athletiscism and great tennis.


Or hopefully Richard has got something up his sleeve and is
searching for new young charges. The USTA simply doesn't
have a clue in looking for talent.

kabuki
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Don't panic everyone. Tennis is just cyclical. I for one remember the doomsayers declaring the death of American men's tennis in the late '90's, and look how many young guys there are now. The girls are out there, they are just in the 12s and 14s right now. Remember all the Chrissy clones of the 80s? MJF and Jen are the preeminent representatives of that group, although you could throw Linds in there too. Now, think of the huge impact of the Williams sisters in tennis and all media. There will be an absolute boom of young American girls of all colors, shapes, and sizes loving tennis and dying to play. The next gen. is coming, don't worry.

bandabou
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:43 PM
Or hopefully Richard has got something up his sleeve and is
searching for new young charges. The USTA simply doesn't
have a clue in looking for talent.


:lol: Who knows who knows....

turt
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:15 PM
I'm sure there is another Martina N. or Monica somewhere in the world, so everything will be ok...
I know they're US citizens, but... you know what I mean... ;)

loppy
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:23 PM
When you can't beat them. Take them! :devil:

Experimentee
Aug 20th, 2004, 03:29 PM
The best hopes America has are probably Jessica Kirkland and Carly Gullickson.
I dont think they have a chance to medal in Beijing though. Athens is pretty much the last chance for any American player except Serena to get a gold medal.

Gullickson? She is a joke. Shes done nothing in the past 12 months! I doubt she has any chance to even make it to Beijing. Kirkland seems to be ok but nothing spectacular.
I really think Jamea Jackson is the best hope the US have got for a young talent, shes posted a few good results recently, been a long time since she had a bad loss. Shes definitely a top 50 talent.
But i dont see anyone of the calibre of the Williams sisters yet. After they retire the US will really struggle for top players, although they will have decent top 20 ones.