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shap_half
Aug 19th, 2004, 05:58 PM
This is a BIG IF because Myskina and Mauresmo are going to be TOUGH competitors and will surely give Justine a hard time if she has to face both of them.

BUT IF SHE DOES WIN, what does that really say about tennis?

She has not played in 4 months and goes on to defeat two Top 5 players and the current RG champs in the Olympic Games???

skanky~skanketta
Aug 19th, 2004, 05:59 PM
serena came back and won miami....i dont know.

shap_half
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:00 PM
serena came back and won miami....i dont know.

To defeat noone save Dementieva.

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:00 PM
It means what we all know, JHH is an excellent player and likes being #1.

UDiTY
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:01 PM
That Justine is STILL the best player in the world despite her lay-off.

I want to see a match against her and Lindsay:hearts:

But she's still got a couple tough matches with Mysky and Momo before this "if" becomes true.

shap_half
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:02 PM
So Myskina's and Sharapova's wins? Lucky to not have Justine in the draw? Lindsay's wins? Lucky to have had Justine ill?

I'm not picking a fight with anyone, but IF Justine wins, I'm going to start looking at those wins not meaning ANYTHING going into the USO.

lizchris
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:03 PM
That Russian women can't win big titles on the summer hardcourts.

tennisIlove09
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:05 PM
That Russian women can't win big titles on the summer hardcourts.
Last time I checked, Mauresmo was French

WtaTour4Ever
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:05 PM
I'm impressed with her so far. I would say that she took the time off that she needed and did not come back to early.

gentenaire
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Don't jinx her, Myskina and Mauresmo aren't pushovers.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:08 PM
That Russian women can't win big titles on the summer hardcourts.
neither can Serena or Venus :p

Lady
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:08 PM
As you said, that's a BIG IF! ;)

alwayshingis
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:08 PM
IF Justine wins, I'm going to start looking at those wins not meaning ANYTHING going into the USO.

Ugh, stop doing what Serena and Venus fans have done to Justine fans in the past. Don't sink to that level. All wins are valid and the US Open should be interesting.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:09 PM
i have a feeling momo will win...hope alicia takes her out.

tennisIlove09
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:09 PM
neither can Serena or Venus :p
but the difference is, the sisters HAVE. The Russians have not...as of yet. Probably change at the Open, the way the Russian girls have been playing at the majors though.

Crazy_Fool
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:11 PM
I'd wait to see if it happens first. I mean Justine has not played anyone decent yet, we'll see how she gets on tomorrow.

alwayshingis
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:13 PM
I'd wait to see if it happens first. I mean Justine has not played anyone decent yet, we'll see how she gets on tomorrow.

Pierce is very decent and beat Venus, but I know what you mean.

Hagar
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:13 PM
If she wins, it means that she is still what she was before: one of the best tennis women in the world.

buscemi
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:14 PM
What does it say? Let's see. The Olympics are on a very fast hard court. The French Open was on a slow court. Wimbledon was on a fast court, and the 2 finalists (and one semifinalist) in that event were not in the Olympics. The one player dominating on the hard courts this summer is not on the Olympics either. The other player who Henin-Hardenne beat on the other Grad Slam final on rebound ace is not here either.

Of course, let's see how the next matches pan out.

JustineTime
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:18 PM
BUT IF SHE DOES WIN, what does that really say about tennis?

She has not played in 4 months and goes on to defeat two Top 5 players and the current RG champs in the Olympic Games???
I tihnk the more pertinent question is:

What does that REALLY say about Justine? ;)

:hearts:

:woohoo:

But these two upcoming matches will be her toughest yet, and will say more about what kind of shape Justine's actually in, IMO. :)

shap_half
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:19 PM
Ugh, stop doing what Serena and Venus fans have done to Justine fans in the past. Don't sink to that level. All wins are valid and the US Open should be interesting.

I'm saying BIG IF. I mean if Justine can defeat 2 Top 5 players in a row, that says an awful lot about the situation, dont't you think?

Spunky83
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:20 PM
It´s says that Justine is just the best and greatest tennis player right now, nothing else...and that she´s back 100%, great effort after such a long illness!

buscemi
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:21 PM
I'm saying BIG IF. I mean if Justine can defeat 2 Top 5 players in a row, that says an awful lot about the situation, dont't you think?

Well, there's also the fact that Myskina may be injured and that Mauresmo tends to choke in big matches.

buscemi
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:22 PM
It´s says that Justine is just the best and greatest tennis player right now, nothing else...and that she´s back 100%, great effort after such a long illness!

Lindsay Davenport may not agree with you on that one.

Helen Lawson
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:22 PM
It means Justine isn't going to take any guff off these broads!

wongqks
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:06 PM
but the difference is, the sisters HAVE. The Russians have not...as of yet. Probably change at the Open, the way the Russian girls have been playing at the majors though.

So you allow Williams a few years to win one of those american hardcourt, but only allow like 2 years for the russian to win one, ;last time I checked the russians has only been in contention since two eyars ago, give me a break

harloo
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:11 PM
It´s says that Justine is just the best and greatest tennis player right now, nothing else...and that she´s back 100%, great effort after such a long illness!
Nah, it says the tour is still lacking competition. All the other top players are injured or playing half assed. I think H-H winning would be bad for women's tennis because it will continue to give credence to the snicker's that the other women on tour are not good enough and the depth on tour is horrible.

I really hope Myskina or Amelie could win it because if H-H does you will hear the male commentators blasting the women's tour again.

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:15 PM
that she has fully recovered from her Mono...and that she is still the best in the bizz right now. Thing with a virus is that once you get your rest, you can keep training, you don´t lose any of your abilities..

turt
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:19 PM
that she has fully recovered from her Mono...and that she is still the best in the bizz right now. Thing with a virus is that once you get your rest, you can keep training, you don´t lose any of your abilities..
That's what I've been saying since before the Olympics... When she will be back on the court, she'll still be a contender...

It looks like she plays quite good, even though Carlos Rodriguez says Justine is at 70% maximum right now...

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:28 PM
That's what I've been saying since before the Olympics... When she will be back on the court, she'll still be a contender...

It looks like she plays quite good, even though Carlos Rodriguez says Justine is at 70% maximum right now...


Uhum...I don´t think she´s fully top either yet, but her situation is different from the situation Serena was and is in now. When you have surgery and specially on your knee, I think it affects your preparation more than if you have a virus. A virus when you´re recovered than you´re recovered..but with a surgery, you almost always lose a step, are less confident and are more suspectible to setbacks.

kiekeboe
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Wait and see, time will tell ;)

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:36 PM
That's what I've been saying since before the Olympics... When she will be back on the court, she'll still be a contender...

It looks like she plays quite good, even though Carlos Rodriguez says Justine is at 70% maximum right now...

:lol: When have you ever heard the JHH camp say she was 100% :lol:
It's definitely nice to have her back.

lizchris
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:04 PM
neither can Serena or Venus :p
Venus Williams:

1999 USO doubles
2000 USO singles
2000 Sydney singels
2000 Sydney dobules
2001 USO singles

Serena Williams:

1999 USO singles
1999 USO doubles
2000 Sydney dobules
2002 USO singles


And what?

lizchris
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Last time I checked, Mauresmo was French
I wasn't talking about her.

*kaz*
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I won't be to surprised if Justine wins. Even though she hasn't played she's been in full training for a few months.

GoDominique
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:08 PM
Venus Williams:

1999 USO doubles
2000 USO singles
2000 Sydney singels
2000 Sydney dobules
2001 USO singles

Serena Williams:

1999 USO singles
1999 USO doubles
2000 Sydney dobules
2002 USO singles


And what?
And 2004?

sarza
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:13 PM
It´s says that Justine is just the best and greatest tennis player right now, nothing else...and that she´s back 100%, great effort after such a long illness!

yeah im with you on that :)

Hant Hant
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Justine is hotttttt

Truthwillout
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:24 PM
There are still two (tough) matches to go through for her to carry off the gold. I sure want this to happen but I don't want to count my chickens yet. However, I agree if she does manage this, it will again prove what a fantastic champion she is. Now, I'm still anxious to see if she can take a long match with endless rallies, the kind of stuff Myskina can give her. If she can overcome this type of hurdle then and only then shall we be sure that she's really fully recovered. Whatever happens I'll be very happy she's had fun and exhilaration while proving she's still a force to reckon with.

faste5683
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:33 PM
[QUOTE=harloo
I really hope Myskina or Amelie could win it because if H-H does you will hear the male commentators blasting the women's tour again.[/QUOTE]

Who gives a shit what the "male" commentators say?

:haha:

:wavey:

le bon vivant
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:39 PM
It will mean that Justine is truly the number one player in the world and she deserves it. If she can beat Myskina and Mauresmo who has had her number lately, and win a tournament as huge as the Olympics in her first tournament back, then she most likely would have beaten Venus as well.

It says nothing bad about women's tennis, for afterall, she is the number 1 player in the world. If anything, it speaks positively on Justine's disclipline and training regimen.

The Crow
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:44 PM
She hasn't even played a top 5 player yet, so I don't see the need for this thread at the moment :confused:

fammmmedspin
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:49 PM
If she wins it will suggest the rankings pretty much reflect the current ability of the top players and the number 1 has her viral problem under control,. If she loses it will mean the rankings pretty much reflect the ability of the top players.

.ivy.
Aug 19th, 2004, 08:59 PM
So Myskina's and Sharapova's wins? Lucky to not have Justine in the draw? Lindsay's wins? Lucky to have had Justine ill?

I'm not picking a fight with anyone, but IF Justine wins, I'm going to start looking at those wins not meaning ANYTHING going into the USO.

THANK YOU!

selking
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:25 PM
why do matches always have to determine the status of tennis? If she wins she is playing the best

MinnyGophers
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:32 PM
I really believe the WTA we have right now including an healthy Serena and Venus ( and hopefully Kim soon) is the deepest we've had in the history of tennis. And Justine is still the best player in the world right now, as she proved it by reaching the SF and hopefully the Finals of the Olympics. So I don't think her winning tells anything about the tour but about her deserving the tile of number 1 in the world.

Geisha
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:48 PM
I think if Justine wins and even if she doesn't, that Women's tennis is at a lower point that what it has every been at. I mean, I miss the days in 2001 where Martina Hingis, Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams, Monica Seles, Serena Williams, Anna Kournikova and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario were all playing each other consistently and were all in the top 10. That is when Women's tennis was at it's peak.

Now, you have two players that made tennis- Venus and Serena Williams, constantly injured and not playing well. You have Justine and Kim who play beautifully, but don't really bring much to the sport. Lindsay doesn't have enough flash to open the tennis doors. Martina, Arantxa, Anna, Monica, Conchita, Mary are practically not playing- or playing decent.

The Russians don't really do much in the Western World. I mean, Maria did a ton of talkshows in America, but she's the only one. Anastasia, Nadia, Vera, Elena D., Elena L., can't really bring tennis up.

Amelie Mauresmo is as boring as wood, so there is just not much that tennis can do. Even the men's game is suffering.

MinnyGophers
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:53 PM
I think if Justine wins and even if she doesn't, that Women's tennis is at a lower point that what it has every been at. I mean, I miss the days in 2001 where Martina Hingis, Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams, Monica Seles, Serena Williams, Anna Kournikova and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario were all playing each other consistently and were all in the top 10. That is when Women's tennis was at it's peak.

Now, you have two players that made tennis- Venus and Serena Williams, constantly injured and not playing well. You have Justine and Kim who play beautifully, but don't really bring much to the sport. Lindsay doesn't have enough flash to open the tennis doors. Martina, Arantxa, Anna, Monica, Conchita, Mary are practically not playing- or playing decent.

The Russians don't really do much in the Western World. I mean, Maria did a ton of talkshows in America, but she's the only one. Anastasia, Nadia, Vera, Elena D., Elena L., can't really bring tennis up.

Amelie Mauresmo is as boring as wood, so there is just not much that tennis can do. Even the men's game is suffering.

I kinda agree with you, but I really believe that these kind of players ( today's) that will make tennis much more popular. The old times were great, but it lacked the drama, the divas and everything. You have a great story in each players, and this is why I really think is attracting people to watch. Tennis has become much more popular nowadays. The russians. I think they do bring culture to the tennis world, especially in the US. People finally discovered that tennis was not played only in the US :lol:

Martian KC
Aug 19th, 2004, 09:57 PM
If she wins, it means that she is still what she was before: one of the best tennis women in the world.

*gasps*:eek: I'm speechless.

Doc
Aug 19th, 2004, 11:03 PM
If Justine wins it doesn't bring any bad reflection on Women's Tennis. It just shows that the current No 1 has made a good recovery from her illness. She could have come back in poor form, but from her early round results, she seems ready to fight at a high level.

Whether Justine remains at No 1 depends more on her progress in the US Open and beyond.

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:49 AM
It means what we all know, JHH is an excellent player and likes being #1.

I agree. It doesn't deter or say anything about the quality of Amelie
or Myskina or the tour. It simply means that the BOSS is the same player
she was earlier in the year, and a true solid number 1.

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:52 AM
There are still two (tough) matches to go through for her to carry off the gold. I sure want this to happen but I don't want to count my chickens yet. However, I agree if she does manage this, it will again prove what a fantastic champion she is. Now, I'm still anxious to see if she can take a long match with endless rallies, the kind of stuff Myskina can give her. If she can overcome this type of hurdle then and only then shall we be sure that she's really fully recovered. Whatever happens I'll be very happy she's had fun and exhilaration while proving she's still a force to reckon with.


Agree again here too. Hasn't won the medal yet! I'm simply
thrilled to see her play this confidently and looking superb rather
than gangly like clay court 2004.

:)

Greenout
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:55 AM
BRAVO! Congrats!

This is the first pure "anti-JHH" thread of the week.

If she should win, it's bad for women's tennis.



:haha:

Welcome back- Dr. Faust of the WTA!!!!!!!! ;)

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:56 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

VeeNMaria4Eva
Aug 20th, 2004, 12:56 AM
Why discussing about something that hasn't happened???

It's like saying, "If Mashona Washington wins the US Open, what does it say about womens tennis?".

GoldenSlam
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:12 AM
It means Justine is invincible and is quite justified as a #1 player for the past year despite the absence of the sisters.

GermanBoy
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:16 AM
It shows the players have to much respect for Henin-Hardenne... :o

cartmancop
Aug 20th, 2004, 01:23 AM
I don't think it says anything really bad about the tour but shows how strong Justine is & what she is capable of when she gets on a roll.