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kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:23 AM
I have to say, that I am becoming a greater fan of Venus Williams. When she was dominating, it was hard for me to root for her, because she just made it look so easy. Things seemed to come so easily to her on the tennis court. Today, I think she is perfectly positioned for what I hope will be a Cinderella comeback story.

Let me go back for a moment. When Steffi was totally dominating the tour, I was not a terribly big fan, because she just usually thrashed her opponents in half and hour; no drama, no excitement, no emotion. After her late nineties knee and back problems, a lot of people wrote Steffi off. When she came back and won RG and made the Wimbledon finals, I was completely thrilled. She went out on her own terms, as a winner.

When Jennifer imploded in the early nineties, I was very dissapointed about it. To see her come all the way back, win three GS titles and reach #1 was so amazing and gratifying. (Her current status is a completely different thread) It was so improbable, that it made for high drama and emotion.

In Venus' case, she has been (don't kill me for this, please) humbled by the last few years. She is a well rounded, well spoken, mature young woman. The question now is, will she turn her tennis around? Do not count her out. She has much less a distance to come back than Steffi or definitely Jennifer did. She is still one of the top players. But now that she has shown that she is not a tennis goddess, but all too human like the rest of us, it is easier for me to root for her.

Good luck at the US Open, Venus.

jean_genie
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:30 AM
Nice post. I was flipping through that book by their former hitting coach and he talked about how "resistant" to change she is but when she gets it in her head or hits rock bottom and decides, then she can make changes.

Venus has been a pro for 10 years and somewhere around the tour for the last 15 years, so she's allowed to hit a rough patch. It's just hard to see, knowing what she's capable of achieving. But, since I'm a fan, I'll just keep rooting for her and hoping that she fixes that second serve, gets a new hitting partner/coach/stroke production person to help her make that forehand consistent and does what she needs to do to be on top. Until then, fingers crossed.

Hey, maybe she'll ask for a WC into Pilot Pen to get some more matches in before the OPEN.

Heeves23
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:32 AM
lok kabuki.. I felt the exact same way about Pete Sampras. When he started losing like that one year when he was shocked at wimbledon(02 i think) i started to like him. Before that i always hated him. He suddenly became unboring after he started losing or something.

Kabezya
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:40 AM
Venus in the past year, especially going back to her injury during the Wimbledon final has given countless reasons to see the person behind the racket. For some who saw that, what we're seeing now is just re-affirming that individual and player, person growing into the beautiful person we knew was there to begin with. I wish her nothing but luck in the future with happiness to boot.

Black Mamba.
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:57 AM
I give you props for staying the course because their are so many band wagon jumper fans it is sad.

tennnisfannn
Aug 19th, 2004, 03:49 AM
Every player is entitled to a bad season. As a Venus fan I look at the example of Lindsay who has been thru injuries and surgery and at 28 is playing so well and one sense there is still room for more. Venus will be back, the comeback has just been very tough. I have the same sentiments for Jen.
In perspective it makes serena's achievements since her comeback even more amazing. A super tier 1 win, a slam final and a few other good showings.
But go Queen vee, get your act together and quickly.

thelittlestelf
Aug 19th, 2004, 04:12 AM
I think Venus needs hype again to be more consistent. But I agree, Venus is perfectly pisitioned to make a comeback story. Go Venus!

Dana Marcy
Aug 19th, 2004, 05:31 AM
I have to say, that I am becoming a greater fan of Venus Williams. When she was dominating, it was hard for me to root for her, because she just made it look so easy. Things seemed to come so easily to her on the tennis court. Today, I think she is perfectly positioned for what I hope will be a Cinderella comeback story.

Let me go back for a moment. When Steffi was totally dominating the tour, I was not a terribly big fan, because she just usually thrashed her opponents in half and hour; no drama, no excitement, no emotion. After her late nineties knee and back problems, a lot of people wrote Steffi off. When she came back and won RG and made the Wimbledon finals, I was completely thrilled. She went out on her own terms, as a winner.

When Jennifer imploded in the early nineties, I was very dissapointed about it. To see her come all the way back, win three GS titles and reach #1 was so amazing and gratifying. (Her current status is a completely different thread) It was so improbable, that it made for high drama and emotion.

In Venus' case, she has been (don't kill me for this, please) humbled by the last few years. She is a well rounded, well spoken, mature young woman. The question now is, will she turn her tennis around? Do not count her out. She has much less a distance to come back than Steffi or definitely Jennifer did. She is still one of the top players. But now that she has shown that she is not a tennis goddess, but all too human like the rest of us, it is easier for me to root for her.

Good luck at the US Open, Venus.

That's very nice how you put it and how you compared Venus's slump to Steffi and Cappy. I have no faith in her right now and won't have any until she proves to me that she's focussed on tennis but that's nice that Venus fans like you do. :)

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 05:50 AM
That's very nice how you put it and how you compared Venus's slump to Steffi and Cappy. I have no faith in her right now and won't have any until she proves to me that she's focussed on tennis but that's nice that Venus fans like you do. :)

Despite that smiley face, your post has a ring of condescension, but maybe I have misinterpreted your intention. :)

Dana Marcy
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Despite that smiley face, your post has a ring of condescension, but maybe I have misinterpreted your intention. :)

I did mean that in a nice way. :) I wish I could be patient and not get mad at Venus but I can't. I'm just not happy with her attitude right now. :sad:

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:21 AM
I did mean that in a nice way. :) I wish I could be patient and not get mad at Venus but I can't. I'm just not happy with her attitude right now. :sad:

Don't worry. Venus is just fine.

Philbo
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:26 AM
Go Venus!! Im feeling very sympathetic toward her...

Couver
Aug 19th, 2004, 06:31 AM
In a way I understand what your saying, but when something like this happens it usually means a player is going down hill.

Now no one sees Venus as a threat at all and so they have no problem not hating her.

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:22 PM
In a way I understand what your saying, but when something like this happens it usually means a player is going down hill.

Now no one sees Venus as a threat at all and so they have no problem not hating her.

When something like what happens? A loss in a big tournament to a player she should have probably beaten? If so, this is not the first time (Please see AO, RG, W). Venus is definitely struggling, but I still see her as a threat in any tournament. For me, it is not a question of "not hating her," but rather growing in my esteem for her.

DelMonte
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:38 PM
She is still one of the top players. But now that she has shown that she is not a tennis goddess, but all too human like the rest of us, it is easier for me to root for her.

Good luck at the US Open, Venus.

Your post is very interesting and I am sure it comes from a good place. However, I find it somewhat frustrating that we as human beings (because it's not just you) find it difficult to relate to and sympathise with people who are extremely successful at what they do.

Why is it that if someone is 'too' good or 'too' successful or 'too' dominant, they loose our respect and sympathy? And why do they (re-)gain it when they start becoming less successful, particularly if they remain essentially the same person.

Why does (relative) failure make Venus more sympathetic, more 'human like the rest of us'? Is it because she can be pitied now and is pity a good basis upon which to support an individual athlete?

PLEASE do not take this as an criticism of or attack on you or your post. As I said before, I think this is basic human psychology.

I guess I am merely disturbed by the notion that a struggling Venus seems to be more appealing and sympathetic to people than a confident and dominant Venus.

Anyway, thank you for your post.

DUNEMAN
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:44 PM
I have to say, that I am becoming a greater fan of Venus Williams. When she was dominating, it was hard for me to root for her, because she just made it look so easy. Things seemed to come so easily to her on the tennis court. Today, I think she is perfectly positioned for what I hope will be a Cinderella comeback story.

Let me go back for a moment. When Steffi was totally dominating the tour, I was not a terribly big fan, because she just usually thrashed her opponents in half and hour; no drama, no excitement, no emotion. After her late nineties knee and back problems, a lot of people wrote Steffi off. When she came back and won RG and made the Wimbledon finals, I was completely thrilled. She went out on her own terms, as a winner.

When Jennifer imploded in the early nineties, I was very dissapointed about it. To see her come all the way back, win three GS titles and reach #1 was so amazing and gratifying. (Her current status is a completely different thread) It was so improbable, that it made for high drama and emotion.

In Venus' case, she has been (don't kill me for this, please) humbled by the last few years. She is a well rounded, well spoken, mature young woman. The question now is, will she turn her tennis around? Do not count her out. She has much less a distance to come back than Steffi or definitely Jennifer did. She is still one of the top players. But now that she has shown that she is not a tennis goddess, but all too human like the rest of us, it is easier for me to root for her.

Good luck at the US Open, Venus. :wavey: Thank you, reminded me of all those lean years, when Vee kept loosing to Martina and how much I hated that "Chuckie" grin on Martinas face, and when finaly the grin was replaced by a frown. I loved her then :hearts: and I love her now. :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: USO, VEE, still in love :kiss:

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:59 PM
Your post is very interesting and I am sure it comes from a good place. However, I find it somewhat frustrating that we as human beings (because it's not just so) find it difficult to relate to and sympathise with people who are extremely successful at what they do.

Why is it that if someone is 'too' good or 'too' successful or 'too' dominant, they loose our respect and sympathy? And why do they (re-)gain it when they start becoming less successful, particularly if they remain essentially the same person.

Why does (relative) failure make Venus more sympathetic, more 'human like the rest of us'? Is it because she can be pitied now and is pity a good basis upon which to support an individual athlete?

PLEASE do not take this as an criticism of or attack on you or your post. As I said before, I think this is basic human psychology.

I guess I am merely disturbed by the notion that a struggling Venus seems to be more appealing and sympathetic to people than a confident and dominant Venus.

Anyway, thank you for your post.

Interesting point. I believe it is the hotshot who stumbles and is tested and RETURNS that is the classic plot that humans like. (See the majority of Tom Cruise's movies: Days of Thunder, Color of Money, Jerry Maguire...) That is not a list of my favorite movies, but is apparently a concept that appeals to most. Maybe I was just indoctrinated into this early as a child, really it is not that dissimilar from the classical literary hero construct.

lizchris
Aug 19th, 2004, 02:04 PM
I still say Venus needs additonal coaching and I hope she wasn't sitting next to Brad Gilbert for nothting.

boggs570
Aug 19th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Your post is very interesting and I am sure it comes from a good place. However, I find it somewhat frustrating that we as human beings (because it's not just you) find it difficult to relate to and sympathise with people who are extremely successful at what they do.

Why is it that if someone is 'too' good or 'too' successful or 'too' dominant, they loose our respect and sympathy? And why do they (re-)gain it when they start becoming less successful, particularly if they remain essentially the same person.

Why does (relative) failure make Venus more sympathetic, more 'human like the rest of us'? Is it because she can be pitied now and is pity a good basis upon which to support an individual athlete?

PLEASE do not take this as an criticism of or attack on you or your post. As I said before, I think this is basic human psychology.

I guess I am merely disturbed by the notion that a struggling Venus seems to be more appealing and sympathetic to people than a confident and dominant Venus.

Anyway, thank you for your post.

Great post and well constructed. I thought about the same thing why is it that when Vee was dominant everyone hated her but not she is not winning they sympathize with her? I cannot comprehend that thinking.

Experimentee
Aug 19th, 2004, 02:29 PM
The opposite of a fairweather fan? :lol:

kabuki
Aug 19th, 2004, 02:39 PM
Great post and well constructed. I thought about the same thing why is it that when Vee was dominant everyone hated her but not she is not winning they sympathize with her? I cannot comprehend that thinking.

People love an underdog.

topspin
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Good thread! :) :)