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jklense
Aug 17th, 2004, 02:21 PM
What web sites of your favourites - or any tennis player ;) -
do you think as most/least informative/attractive/fun/boring/you-name-it?

What do you consider to be mandatory features for such site?
What options do you like best?
What does annoy you there?
Do you need them at all?

What dream site could you imagine?

What about fan site as opposed to an official player's site?
Do you like any official one?
What are the most enjoyable things for a fan site that couldn't
be allowed at an official one? Why?

Did you ever participate in making/supporting such site?
What was the most merry/annoying/hard thing while doing it?

Let's share our opinions and experience here.

doris5085
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:02 PM
I think the most complete sites often have the ugliest layouts lol

jklense
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:05 PM
which ones?

Farina Elia Fan
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:06 PM
what do people think about mine???

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Farina Elia Fan - I think its good.

Helen Lawson
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:16 PM
None of them is as good as the one Ginger made in my honor.

esquímaux
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM
Chanda had a cool site, but a psycho chick hacked it and messed it up :unsure:

englishjenfan
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM
I think its alright/good but could do with more stuff on it!
*Emily*
ps i like ur sig frogburger!

englishjenfan
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:20 PM
this might be biased but jens is great check it out, sometimes it does go wrong though and the homepage does not all show up!
www.capriati.host.sk/
*Emily*

jklense
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:46 PM
...jens is great check it out, sometimes it does go wrong though and the homepage does not all show up!
www.capriati.host.sk/
*Emily*It's an interesting one. :worship:
And it started as a fan site obviously and then somehow Jen herself choose it as her official :cool:
Is it wide-spread? - i mean to raise the site's status...

jklense
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:49 PM
what do people think about mine???
Sorry, cannot check now :worship:, get 'Error: Daily Bandwidth Allocation Exceeded'.
It's hosting problem. Is this problem often at other sites, by your experience?

doris5085
Aug 17th, 2004, 04:27 PM
I obviously love Likhovtseva's website :hearts: :kiss: lol

doris5085
Aug 17th, 2004, 04:29 PM
this might be biased but jens is great check it out, sometimes it does go wrong though and the homepage does not all show up!
www.capriati.host.sk/
*Emily*

Yeah this site is pretty cool but there's something wrong (*sometimes*) with the menu/navigation bar to your left... :eek:

pcrtennis
Aug 17th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Ai Sugiyama's is really good, seems professionally done and updated!

Shaii
Aug 17th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Ai Sugiyama's is really good, seems professionally done and updated!

The website of Elise Tamaela seems also professionally done en has personal messages from Elise. The thing i like about this website is "location", were you can see were she is playing at the moment.

www.tamaela.nl

mostefan
Aug 17th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Oh, interesting thread and postings here, some sites as well :worship:
Could you posters please give links to the sites you mention :bowdown:
not everybody is so fluent in each and every...

Mark Spruce
Aug 17th, 2004, 07:38 PM
well mine

Just a few pics of Mary Pierce

www.mary-pierce.org (http://www.mary-pierce.org)

I am just learning how do make websites. So it is very basic, but basically i went for content.

regards

mark

englishjenfan
Aug 17th, 2004, 08:20 PM
It's an interesting one. :worship:
And it started as a fan site obviously and then somehow Jen herself choose it as her official :cool:
Is it wide-spread? - i mean to raise the site's status...

The webmaster "Ivka" is a very dedicated fan and she created the site, she then won sanex heroes comp by being the best reporter and she went to filderstadt where she met jen n told her about ther website she created,Ivka from then on met Jen a lot and they now keep in contact. Recently Ivka asked jen if it could be the official site and she agreed etc. I would say it is the most popular site about jen. Also Jen and her family visit the website a lot which is cool!
*Emily*
ps. yes the menu can go a bit weird!

treiber04
Aug 17th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Chanda had a cool site, but a psycho chick hacked it and messed it up :unsure:

:) I made a new one:

www.geocities.com/therubinsite/home.html updating it later tonight

doris5085
Aug 17th, 2004, 09:19 PM
:) I made a new one:

www.geocities.com/therubinsite/home.html updating it later tonight

I hope your not using the page builder ??? :confused:

Sarah<Kim-fan>
Aug 17th, 2004, 09:23 PM
I really like Kim's official site www.kimclijsters.be, but there's this other site about her, which I really like too: www.clijsterskim.org, I didn't make it myself, but whenever I look for something about Kim and I want to find it quickly I go there!
and on the men's site, I love www.roddickonline.com, mostly because you can send the pics on the site as e-cards :)

treiber04
Aug 17th, 2004, 10:27 PM
I hope your not using the page builder ??? :confused:


Why not?

Jorn
Aug 17th, 2004, 10:33 PM
www.barbara-schett.net is the best official site! imo. :)

also www.majamatevzic.com , Tinapisnik.com (Even not updated for long, and only in Slovenian)

Stamp Paid
Aug 17th, 2004, 10:34 PM
Venus and Serena's sites are waaaaaaaaaayyyy too pre-teen girly.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Aug 17th, 2004, 10:50 PM
http://www.mariaworld.net

Lucy
Aug 17th, 2004, 11:01 PM
http://www.mariaworld.net

yup! the best maria web site i've been to. :yeah:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Aug 17th, 2004, 11:03 PM
yup! the best maria web site i've been to. :yeah:
yup! By far the best!

doris5085
Aug 17th, 2004, 11:09 PM
Why not?

One day this stupid page builder is gonna cause you trouble :eek: Too many html codes for what is really needed...

Spunky83
Aug 17th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Yeah, www.roddickonline.com is definetly the best inofficial website, it has tons of pictures, videos and the webmasters always have like six news articles per day! That site rocks...then of course http://www.anastasia-myskina.com/index.php thank you very much Ola and the others, check it out, it´s way better than the better known myskina.com (no offense).

Most often I like the inoffical ones better, but http://www.justine-henin.be is definetly worth a look. It´s full of statistics (I love stats!), it´s always updated and the webmasters seem to be in close contact to Justine and her staff. There are a lot of pics, Justine regulary answers the fan´s questions (especially when she was ill), you can see the stats of every match she played in the last years (stats, stats, stats!), you can even give the matches grades for performance and suspense-factor...it´s really well made and it has a cool design.

At the moment the site also features the Olympic draw and you can see with one click which path the player has to get to the final (for every player) and how much points the player gathered. The draw is updated minutes after a match (doesn´t matter which one) ends.

All in all a perfect website!

cartmancop
Aug 17th, 2004, 11:36 PM
I know these 1st 2 are men's sites but I like how they are done.
1. Vamosrafael.com- Nadal's fans and operators of his website do a very good job with current info.
2. Andyroddick.com- same as above




I like the layout of venuswilliams.com but it is not always as current as the ones above.

MS
Aug 18th, 2004, 06:08 AM
What do you think about mine? (see signature). I learnt how to do basic things, but never worried about more complicated things! ;)

Lemonskin.
Aug 18th, 2004, 09:42 AM
http://www.mariaworld.net

an excellent site!

its pretty jam-packed full of info, articles and easily the most pictures anywhere

jklense
Aug 18th, 2004, 10:13 AM
Thanks to you all, posters :worship:
especially to englishjenfan and Spunky83 for their analysis and comments :wavey:
Sarah<Kim-fan> as well and others...
and i liked 'location' feature mentioned by Shaii.
I also look at other sites mentioned here, and comments by some other posters here are of help, thanks. :)

But, anyhow, :scratch: could you please give some more analysis,
not refer only, about features (un)wanted there :bowdown:

I noticed most of you mention 'update' feature often.
How important is it to you - what time gap do you think as appropriate
and when do you feel it sucks - say, 10 minutes after important match, a day,
a week after tourney, a couple of months or years maybe? :lol:
Is update feature enough to include just facts and figures, or you can't live
without the player's - or coach's maybe - feedback?

Roxers
Aug 18th, 2004, 10:28 AM
http://www.Safinator.com

http://www.Safinslides.com

http://home.iprimus.com.au/beethoven2001/marat/

Tompier
Aug 18th, 2004, 10:30 AM
well mine

Just a few pics of Mary Pierce

www.mary-pierce.org (http://www.mary-pierce.org)

I am just learning how do make websites. So it is very basic, but basically i went for content.

regards

mark

Mark, your website is simply the best ;) Great job.

Roxers
Aug 18th, 2004, 10:33 AM
www.dinarasafina.com

www.karolina-sprem.com

www.jelena-dokic.com

sharapovarulz1
Aug 18th, 2004, 10:53 AM
Maria.net is an outstanding website it has everything!!!

jklense
Aug 18th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Maria.net is an outstanding website it has everything!!!Sorry, did you mean www.mariaworld.net ? :confused:

Mark Spruce
Aug 18th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Mark, your website is simply the best ;) Great job.
THANKS DUDE !!!

regards

Mark

mostefan
Aug 18th, 2004, 07:45 PM
'update' feature... - what time gap do you think as appropriate...My fave's official site seems to lack update for more than a year at all, and 2+ years at most pages, so it begins to annoy a little :p
But I still hope... :) just try to get info elsewhere... :(

darrinbaker00
Aug 18th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Venus and Serena's sites are waaaaaaaaaayyyy too pre-teen girly.
AMEN! Somebody needs to tell their webmaster that some of the sisters' fans have Y chromosomes. ;)

jklense
Aug 18th, 2004, 08:43 PM
Mark, your website is simply the bestCould you be more specific please :confused: I like the site too, but honestly is its info - except pics - rich and up-to-date enough? Nothing personal, just wondering to understand :bowdown:

ktwtennis
Aug 19th, 2004, 12:30 AM
www.seles.co.uk (http://www.seles.co.uk) was great before it closed...

What do you think of mine (see sig)?

Grachka
Aug 19th, 2004, 01:06 AM
Saori's official site is nice to look at, but is only the latest results are updated, and the messages from her are not at all really, and its only in Japanese :( http://www.saori-obata.com

My Saori and Karen sites are OK, nothing spectacular, but it gets the information out there, now I just need more visitors ;)

jklense
Aug 19th, 2004, 07:57 PM
Justine's official site http://www.henin-hardenne.be does impress, it's so solid and up-to-the-minute.
Say, today's match result was there in less than 5 minutes, and the report on it appeared online not later than an hour after. It has its own H2H base, opponents profiles, rich statistics, fan zone with chats and - this bought me - an opportunity to ask Justine a question and often get an answer, many are there... And that famous diary - i'm not an expert but i do know only of the Belgian top players with these... At all, it seems to be an excellent site matching its owner status. Great job guys there! :yeah: :hatoff:
Continue investigating some others :)
Your analysis is welcome :bowdown:

*kaz*
Aug 19th, 2004, 10:03 PM
I only really use the forums. Jen's and Maria's are good. Dinara Safina's has to be one of the worst, but I think it's maybe still being built up.

doris5085
Aug 19th, 2004, 11:01 PM
I hope it's still being built up lol

selking
Aug 19th, 2004, 11:04 PM
i like www.monica-seles.com

Stephieva
Aug 19th, 2004, 11:58 PM
I hope LenaD official site will be re opened soon...:o
www.dementieva.ru (http://www.dementieva.ru) hasn't been update for ages...:rolleyes:

mostefan
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:22 PM
My 2 cents:

Williams sisters double-site http://www.venusandserenawilliams.com is somewhat strange and doesn't seem relevant for their level :shrug: Some good info is there among the other things, but this awful pink-and-yellow design... :tape: JustIncredible said of its pre-teen look and feel, I'd rather agree :(

http://www.anastasia-myskina.com has good team, Olga&Co :worship:
Content is rather interesting. Unfortunately this site has problems to be seen via a non-IE browser, with weird colours and so on. And that mysterious log-in feature :confused:
I hope it's just a lack of web-design experience and can be overcome later.

http://myskina.com is rather basic, it's OK by itself, but most of the links are broken :(

http://www.kimclijsters.be is not that strong as Justine's, it lacks stats, but it also has diary :yeah:
Some IE-attitude is abused also...

http://www.clijsterskim.be is somewhat better, but the most recent article is dated back to September 2003...

Some sites such as http://www.hingis.agava.ru while being devoted to great players and containing good materials such as videos at this case, do abuse banners and such, it annoys often and can distract of the content...
I'd prefer to see links to the articles being accompanied with dates...

http://www.vamosrafael.com contains many articles, good for the player he is often referred and commented in media, the site links to those.

Not analysis, sorry, just a fan opinion...

azza
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:25 PM
there was a veyr good site called

killingkim.com or something :shrug:

Anik
Aug 20th, 2004, 04:40 PM
Dinara Safina's has to be one of the worst, but I think it's maybe still being built up.

Thx for your honesty, i m trying my best to make a good website so I would like to have a more concrete explanation 'bout what you said with the intention of improving the site.

crazillo
Aug 20th, 2004, 05:12 PM
www.magdalena-maleeva.net

Her site is definitely cool, has improved a lot since February and is up-to-date, but I dont like the fact that the Gallery and Maggie Answers scetions arent updated very often somehow. The news are good though, there is always a link to her current tournament etc. :) :) :)

azza
Aug 20th, 2004, 07:18 PM
www.NicoleKriz.com (http://www.NicoleKriz.com)

doris5085
Aug 20th, 2004, 07:53 PM
Thx for your honesty, i m trying my best to make a good website so I would like to have a more concrete explanation 'bout what you said with the intention of improving the site.

I was DEFINITELY NOT talking about your website :)

*kaz*
Aug 20th, 2004, 09:02 PM
It was another Dinara site I was meaning aswell.

Anik
Aug 20th, 2004, 10:12 PM
oh sorry !! because Steffi4eva posted my website so I thought that you speak about my site !!

jklense
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:19 PM
A link to Perebiynis site was posted elsewhere, http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=3938219&postcount=1
It's rather nice. Banners are abused as it's often. The most thing I liked is a link to a forum unexpectedly following to - guess - right, the WTAworld.com :yeah:

SzavayFi
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:20 PM
i do like the Daniela Hantuchova official site.

jklense
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:38 PM
i do like the Daniela Hantuchova official site.Sorry for reminding, but please do not limit yourself by just claiming, give a link and some explanation what is good there - and what's not, maybe :)

Kacey
Aug 22nd, 2004, 06:52 PM
yeah, Daniela's site is nice, but it should have something that her other sites dont have, its not all that good....only special thing is that she "posts" there sometimes.

link: www.dhantuchova.com

plus, it doesnt always work, you might not all be able to see it, depending on where you are in the world, or something like that. :retard:
i cant see it right now....

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:39 AM
yeah, Daniela's site is nice, but it should have something that her other sites dont have, its not all that good....only special thing is that she "posts" there sometimes.
link: www.dhantuchova.comThe site is nice with pics, but many features are not OK, imho. Flash is abused. Stats and comments are announced but absent. :(
Forum is simplistic, it's obvious many so called Dani's postings are fake. It's common thing though, but I'm still ashamed for Dani, at this case. People there could have more respect to the girl. :mad:
Is the 'official' mark approved by Daniela herself? - no sign there... :confused:

aktennislove
Aug 23rd, 2004, 10:26 AM
Hi! What do u think about my Anna Kournikova Forever Site (AKFS), www.anna4ever.com ???
I would really like to get a Feedback!

saab95
Aug 23rd, 2004, 12:20 PM
I like english
http://www.anastasia-myskina.com/
and russian
http://www.sharapova.ru/

They update often, they have a lot of fresh info & photos on the sites & forums.
May be they need professional help to become official.
Young people have fresh ideas.

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 03:46 PM
What do u think about my Anna Kournikova Forever Site (AKFS), www.anna4ever.com ???For me, the site is rather interesting. I had problems with loading it from my place, and Flash seems to be over-dosed but maybe it's temporary, anyhow i didn't browse whole site yet... What bought me is Injuries and Exhibitions pages, i don't remember to see such at other sites... :)

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 03:51 PM
...Young people have fresh ideas.Could you please be more specific here?
Another thing, why wouldn't you share your experience as site builder? :bowdown: you obviously have done some sites... Btw, kindly correct links at your http://linastar.boxmail.biz/ site, some of them such as gotennis or Russian forum do need fixing...

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 06:54 PM
after posting in another thread, http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4035738&postcount=1 :worship:
Kindly look at the site of famous Chris Evert http://www.chrisevert.net :hatoff:
The site has a lot of tennis-related thoughts, some of them by Chris herself, it seems to be a sort of reading many of us wait for...

Kacey
Aug 23rd, 2004, 07:07 PM
The site is nice with pics, but many features are not OK, imho. Flash is abused. Stats and comments are announced but absent. :(
Forum is simplistic, it's obvious many so called Dani's postings are fake. It's common thing though, but I'm still ashamed for Dani, at this case. People there could have more respect to the girl. :mad:
Is the 'official' mark approved by Daniela herself? - no sign there... :confused:

no no no.....the site is approved by Daniela. these ppl gave the site to her as her b-day present in April. so its official ;)

and the posts by Daniela ARE her posts. the ones posted with the name "Daniela" are hers, with an exception of one post i think. the ones under "daniela hantuchova" arent. thats just some fan.

at least thats what i think, but they should really add some more special stuff to it.

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 07:17 PM
no no no.....the site is approved by Daniela...
and the posts ... with the name "Daniela" are hers...
at least thats what i think...Oh, thanks for clarifying, mate :worship:
I'll pay more attention then, some later...
Meanwhile, i'm still unsure on Dani's postings, it seems too easy to act on her behalf there, easier than that "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog" thing... ;)

Kacey
Aug 23rd, 2004, 07:28 PM
but Dani wouldnt lie to her fans!!! ;)

well, im pretty sure that the thread "From Daniela-thanks!" was really made by her. in fact, im positive. :)
i wish she'd say something interesting though.....instead of the same ol' "Thanks for supporting me guys!! means alot!!"

it gets a tad boring when she types that like, 5 times.... :angel:

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:01 PM
but Dani wouldnt lie to her fans!!! ;)Dani wouldn't but as i said anyone can act on her behalf, no authentication there, so it's trivial to abuse :sad:
I know some other forums with this 'feature', and they ARE abused...
Sorry mate, you are too light-hearted, it's not always that way out there, no offences please :wavey:
Why or why couldn't the webmasters make any filtering, authentication etc?
User-friendliness is not always good, alas :sad:

Kacey
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:22 PM
light-hearted? alrighty then.........

i KNOW most of those posts under her name arent her....but i know that at least two of those posts are. dunno why, i just do.

and...im a girl. ;)
sorry, but u keep calling me "mate" and its kinda manly.......sort of...... :p

jklense
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:35 PM
i KNOW most of those posts under her name arent her....but i know that at least two of those posts are. dunno why, i just do.
and...im a girl. ;)Sorry girl :bowdown: didn't notice, my fault... :o
Speaking seriously, it's not good at all when anybody can name him/her any player as Dani's there :sad:
It's OK for good fans to know or to feel maybe, but it's rather unsteady,
and there are examples of abusing your - and others - trust... :rolleyes:
And for others such guessing may lead to false conclusions that doesn't help their opinion on the player in question...
It's especially bad for 'official' sites when any ill-wisher can say 'the player said this and that on her official site, so...' :mad:

Kacey
Aug 24th, 2004, 04:43 AM
tee-hee....its okay :)

yeah, they should make the forum so that only Daniela's computer can post under the name "Daniela". that way, we'd know for sure. or else make the forums under the layout like other normal forums, so that theres only one "Daniela," and no other.

Fingon
Aug 24th, 2004, 07:37 AM
I like english
http://www.anastasia-myskina.com/
and russian
http://www.sharapova.ru/

They update often, they have a lot of fresh info & photos on the sites & forums.
May be they need professional help to become official.
Young people have fresh ideas.the Russian Sharapova site just steals the images from our site, they are not very creative except for taking other people's work. :mad:

Jeff
Aug 24th, 2004, 08:12 AM
williamssisters.org :p

jklense
Aug 24th, 2004, 09:03 AM
the Russian Sharapova site just steals the images from our site, they are not very creative except for taking other people's work. :mad:Pfffffffff... :rolleyes:
Don't know who owns original materials yet, but it's really difficult :scratch: to find 5 differencies at say http://www.mariaworld.net/montreal2004.htm and http://www.sharapova.ru/Images/Foto/2004_14.html
(i took random page and easily found its 'mirror').
No cross-links found at first sight. :sad:
Did you address other site's owners?

Mark Spruce
Aug 24th, 2004, 12:36 PM
Could you be more specific please :confused: I like the site too, but honestly is its info - except pics - rich and up-to-date enough? Nothing personal, just wondering to understand :bowdown:
I just wanted to do a pictures site for Mary. Do somthing slightly different.

Thanks I am glad that you like my site

take care

Mark

jcman
Aug 24th, 2004, 04:51 PM
http://www.juanqui.net/ has got to be one of the best...

the mariaworld.net is great...tons of info...

in fact, i like www.maratsafin.com (http://www.maratsafin.com) the most...but it has closed

englishjenfan
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:06 PM
You can visit my Jen website, i have just created it! It's not great but it will be getting better! The address is on my sig!
*Emily*

Anik
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:26 PM
the Russian Sharapova site just steals the images from our site, they are not very creative except for taking other people's work. :mad:

sorry but ist not true !! jklense give a good example with the pictures at montreal !!!!!! and at the beginning of the year, I found much photos of Maria and no mariaworld, no sharapova.ru had in her website and I posted the photos in the forum of sharapova.ru and now the photos are on mariaworld... I dont want to say mariaworld or sharapova.ru steals pictures but the photos of Maria are everywhere on the web then it is normal that you have the same photos. just here in the masha forum, you can found all pictures !!!

Fingon
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:35 PM
sorry but ist not true !! jklense give a good example with the pictures at montreal !!!!!! and at the beginning of the year, I found much photos of Maria and no mariaworld, no sharapova.ru had in her website and I posted the photos in the forum of sharapova.ru and now the photos are on mariaworld... I dont want to say mariaworld or sharapova.ru steals pictures but the photos of Maria are everywhere on the web then it is normal that you have the same photos. just here in the masha forum, you can found all pictures !!!
I am not talking about photos that are publicly available, I am talking about scans (yes, the scan are in a magazine but we did take the time to scan the photos and then compress them, crop them etc.), TV captures (same case) or photos sent to us by visitors. Worse, we asked them not to do that but they think it's their right because their are Russians, that's why all the photos we take, scans and captures have a watermark, and unfortunately it has to be placed across the photo otherwise they just crop it.

BTW, are you calling me a liar? because your only proof is that YOUR photos weren't stolen, you have no clue what your are talking about so better know the facts before making bold statements

jklense
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:43 PM
http://www.juanqui.net/ has got to be one of the best...Thanks for the link, mate :worship: so nice a site!
I feel the spirit of the team there, great job! :yeah:

Anik
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:49 PM
I am not talking about photos that are publicly available, I am talking about scans (yes, the scan are in a magazine but we did take the time to scan the photos and then compress them, crop them etc.), TV captures (same case) or photos sent to us by visitors. Worse, we asked them not to do that but they think it's their right because their are Russians, that's why all the photos we take, scans and captures have a watermark, and unfortunately it has to be placed across the photo otherwise they just crop it.

BTW, are you calling me a liar? because your only proof is that YOUR photos weren't stolen, you have no clue what your are talking about so better know the facts before making bold statements

okay i understand !! you dont have specified which content of the website he supposed steal so i dont know for the scan sorry !!

BTW, where i write you are a liar ?? RELAX !!!! and if you can read i write "I dont want to say mariaworld or sharapova.ru steals pictures" okay ?

BTW, its not my PHOTOS but i know which pictures i found and i dont see on the websites when i posted thats all !!!

Frank
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Fingon, are you the webmaster of www.mariaworld.net?

Fingon
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:00 PM
Fingon, are you the webmaster of www.mariaworld.net? (http://www.mariaworld.net?)
One of them

Frank
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:05 PM
One of them Thanks for all the great work you guys are doing then! :wavey:

jklense
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:25 PM
OMG, something wrong happens! :scared:
I mean this quarrel :unsure: between Fingon and Anik (DinaraSafinaFans), whom I respect both :bowdown:
And while I was writing a reply, it calmed down somewhat, but questions still apply, so...

Could you please explain plainly to us outsiders what's going on?

imho, some ethics exists and if one uses other's work, (s)he should mention the author, right?
Sometimes I find nice pictures online and try to share it with the others here,
giving link to the place where the pic was found - is it proper or not?
And if i find a pic in a place where it lacks any link to real origin, what then?

In this particular case I, for one, really don't know whose pictures are those on the sites mentioned,
i just noticed their proximity after Fingon's posting...
Supposing the author doesn't mind using his pictures everywhere - is this called publicly available :confused: -
overall pages composition is too close to be just a coincidence...

Another thing, Fingon says about watermarking his scans. Could you please refer an example of such a scan,
at your site and 'stolen'?

So, please explain what's right and wrong here, what are authors and web-masters - and us ordinary posters - supposed to do
regarding such cases? :bowdown:

Kafel
Aug 24th, 2004, 11:29 PM
I like
http://www.sharapova.ru/
http://linastar.boxmail.biz/
http://www.dinarasafina.com/
http://www.danielahantuchova.sk/
http://www.danielafrenchsite.com/
http://www.anastasia-myskina.com/
:wavey:

jklense
Aug 25th, 2004, 03:36 PM
I like... Thanks for links :worship: but once again :scratch: why do you restrict yourself by just pointing?
And Kafel (Dmitry? :confused: ), you are known as an active sites builder and supporter, could you please share your opinion on the subject? At least, the emotions you live through while doing this site work, fun maybe or annoyance ;)
And don't forget of the forums there... :bowdown:

Paneru
Aug 25th, 2004, 03:41 PM
Venus and Serena's sites are waaaaaaaaaayyyy too pre-teen girly.

Well, that is the main demographic that they are
looking to inspire so it's to be expected I guess.

Fingon
Aug 25th, 2004, 03:54 PM
OMG, something wrong happens! :scared:

imho, some ethics exists and if one uses other's work, (s)he should mention the author, right?


wrong, that's not enough, you actually need the author's authorization, you can't just take it and get away crediting the author.


Sometimes I find nice pictures online and try to share it with the others here,
giving link to the place where the pic was found - is it proper or not?

it's not a problem all pics posted on a website (unless it's a photo agency) are there to share with visitors, and we certainly don't oppose to people saving photos, but a different matter is to use them to build your own website, which is fine as long as you get the site's authorization, and you should really stop if you are asked to, something the Russian site doesn't do.
And if i find a pic in a place where it lacks any link to real origin, what then?

In this particular case I, for one, really don't know whose pictures are those on the sites mentioned,
i just noticed their proximity after Fingon's posting...
Supposing the author doesn't mind using his pictures everywhere - is this called publicly available :confused: -
overall pages composition is too close to be just a coincidence...

again, you can't claim copyright of pics you just took from somewhere else, if they are made available in Yahoo or somewhere else they are supposed to be public.

If we don't know the source, we post them, but if someone ask us to remove them (and have the right to ask that) we do remove them, also, we frequently post photos taken by somewhere else but we always ask first, and credit the author. Tennis.info is a good example, they take a lot of photos in american tournaments and they are ok with them being posted on other sites as long as you ask first and credit them, but some people just take them.


Another thing, Fingon says about watermarking his scans. Could you please refer an example of such a scan,
at your site and 'stolen'?

I can't give you an example, it will require to browse through hundreds of images and can't be bother, neither have the time, but it does happen.

So, please explain what's right and wrong here, what are authors and web-masters - and us ordinary posters - supposed to do
regarding such cases? :bowdown:
webmaster should respect others and only post what they own, what is publicly available or what they are authorized to post.

Ordinary posters have nothing to do with this, you just go and visit the sites and enjoy the photos.

mostefan
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:27 PM
it's not a problem all pics posted on a website (unless it's a photo agency) are there to share with visitors, and we certainly don't oppose to people saving photos, but a different matter is to use them to build your own website...
you can't claim copyright of pics you just took from somewhere else...Thanks for extensive posting, Fingon :worship:
Besides the guy who asked you originally, I need some clarification as well, could you please help :bowdown:
I got it this way, if I find a nice picture at your site e.g., I may save it at my computer for my own use without your permission. If I want to repost it here, even under IMG tag which hyperlinks to your site, I have to ask your (site's owner) permission for that. That applies still if I don't want to claim myself to own any copyright - how could I at all? :confused: - nor build my own website, just repost to some other's. Right?
And after your phrase if they {pics} are made available in Yahoo or somewhere else they are supposed to be publicis your site e.g. covered under this 'somewhere else'? :confused: Nothing personal, sorry, just trying to learn. :bowdown:

Fingon
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Thanks for extensive posting, Fingon :worship:
Besides the guy who asked you originally, I need some clarification as well, could you please help :bowdown:
I got it this way, if I find a nice picture at your site e.g., I may save it at my computer for my own use without your permission. If I want to repost it here, even under IMG tag which hyperlinks to your site, I have to ask your (site's owner) permission for that. That applies still if I don't want to claim myself to own any copyright - how could I at all? :confused: - nor build my own website, just repost to some other's. Right?


it's not a problem as long as you upload the photo as an attachement or upload to your own website. The problem with hotlinks is that they suck up bandwidth. We will actually block that once I figure out how to do it :scratch:


And after your phrase is your site e.g. covered under this 'somewhere else'? :confused: Nothing personal, sorry, just trying to learn. :bowdown:
:scratch:

Frank
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:43 PM
it's not a problem as long as you upload the photo as an attachement or upload to your own website. The problem with hotlinks is that they suck up bandwidth. We will actually block that once I figure out how to do it :scratch:
That shouldn't be so difficult to figure out I guess...Heaps of websites do it...Maybe you could contact one of these websites and ask if they can explain how to do it... (Getty Images for example...)

jklense
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:38 AM
Thanks a lot to Fingon for his explanations :worship:

azmad_88
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:40 AM
kimclijsters.be
its very nice!!

vutt
Aug 26th, 2004, 11:57 AM
If we don't know the source, we post them...
I’m little bit amazed about this statement. :( Do you really expect every photographer on this planet to visit your site?



Or another example: Nicolas Meunier’s site ( http://perso.club-internet.fr/nmeuni01/ (http://perso.club-internet.fr/nmeuni01/) ) have copyright notice about his pictures usage. I even recall back in 2002 he used to post here and complain about posting his work without permission. Now he seems to be away from Internet scene in that sense and I have seen his pics popping up here and there including wtaworlds own www.wtnphotos.com (http://www.wtnphotos.com/). (example: http://www.wtnphotos.com/showphoto.php/photo/21341/password/sort/sort/1/size/medium/cat/511/page/ (http://www.wtnphotos.com/showphoto.php/photo/21341/password/sort/sort/1/size/medium/cat/511/page/) )

Or let’s say in extreme cases photographer could have been died and can’t complain about stealing their intellectual property.



Do you still feel ok about posting pics without making sure from where they are coming from?

Frank
Aug 26th, 2004, 12:03 PM
IMHO it isn't that bad to post pictures without knowing their source as long as you don't try to make a profit from them...

Fingon
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:23 PM
I’m little bit amazed about this statement. :( Do you really expect every photographer on this planet to visit your site?



no, I am really amazed of how little you know.

Copyright protection is proactive, if the author posts its work in a publicly available web sites with no copyright notices whatsoever, then it's assumed it's public. It's up to the author to protect his work, by at least posting a copyright notice and a warning that he doesn't want his work to be used by others.

What am I supposed to do? track down every photographer on this planet to ask if by a chance the photo is theirs? :rolleyes:

if that was the case, there wouldn't be internet.

I this was never meant to refer to publicly available photos, but photos whose authos places a copyright notice.

Even if the photo is on the person's website, even if there is no copyright notice, we ask, but if it's on Yahoo, how the hell are we supposed to know? You have to assume that if Yahoo posts it, either there is no copyright violation or they have the authorization, again, if they don't post a copyright notice, they can't enforce copyright protection.

I don't know how a discussion about how photos with copyright notice are stolen by a site praised here moves to me justifying the usage of freely available photos :rolleyes:



Or another example: Nicolas Meunier’s site ( http://perso.club-internet.fr/nmeuni01/ (http://perso.club-internet.fr/nmeuni01/) ) have copyright notice about his pictures usage. I even recall back in 2002 he used to post here and complain about posting his work without permission. Now he seems to be away from Internet scene in that sense and I have seen his pics popping up here and there including wtaworlds own www.wtnphotos.com (http://www.wtnphotos.com/). (example: http://www.wtnphotos.com/showphoto.php/photo/21341/password/sort/sort/1/size/medium/cat/511/page/ (http://www.wtnphotos.com/showphoto.php/photo/21341/password/sort/sort/1/size/medium/cat/511/page/) )

Nicolas Meunier doesn't post his photos on the internet because he is sick of people stealing them. We have posted them on our website with his consent and he is absolutely fine with it, as long as you follow his guidelines.


Or let’s say in extreme cases photographer could have been died and can’t complain about stealing their intellectual property.



Do you still feel ok about posting pics without making sure from where they are coming from?
you really don't make any sense, what are we supposed to do, hire a private investigator? I think you need a serious reality check, and learn how copyright works

are you 100% sure that every piece of software running on your computer is there with the author's authorization?

I didn't think so, so them turn your computer off and throw it away, or you still fill ok using other people's work without making sure where it's coming from?

Fingon
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:25 PM
That shouldn't be so difficult to figure out I guess...Heaps of websites do it...Maybe you could contact one of these websites and ask if they can explain how to do it... (Getty Images for example...)
it's not that easy, the site is running on Server 2003 and I can't find anything on the OS to do that.

Frank
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:27 PM
it's not that easy, the site is running on Server 2003 and I can't find anything on the OS to do that. Oh well...I don't know anything about these things...:o
Good luck in any case! :wavey:

Experimentee
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:34 PM
I like sites that are updated every day and have a lot of personal input and regular messages from the player.

mostefan
Aug 26th, 2004, 05:58 PM
it's not that easy, the site is running on Server 2003 and I can't find anything on the OS to do that.Sorry, I don't know it well but OS has hardly anything to do with the feature, it's Web (HTTP) server that matters. GettyImages uses dynamic pages as well, not disclosing the images themselves (they may have no public URLs btw). And when the server processes the request for a pic, it can filter by originating site e.g. or recognise whether it came from a browser...

Russianfan
Aug 26th, 2004, 06:22 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's done by adding a .htaccess file...I should do it too, tons of photos are posted all over...

mostefan
Aug 26th, 2004, 06:35 PM
I should do it too, tons of photos are posted all over...Are you the guy behind the TennisRulz series of sites? :worship:
Could you please share what it takes and consider the questions put by the thread's starter? :bowdown:

vutt
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Even if the photo is on the person's website, even if there is no copyright notice, we ask, but if it's on Yahoo, how the hell are we supposed to know? Let me make it very simple for You: If do not know from where photo is coming from then you can't assume that it's not protected by some kind of copyright rule.

That was all I wanted to say.

Fingon
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Let me make it very simple for You: If do not know from where photo is coming from then you can't assume that it's not protected by some kind of copyright rule.

That was all I wanted to say.
let's make it simple for you.

If you don't see a copyright notice, the photo is assumed to not be copyrighted, and that's the law, despite what you would like.

so before being so condescendant try to understand what you are talking about, according with your theory Yahoo, CBS, Reutrers etc are all violating copyright rules.

some kind of copyright rule? what the hell is that?, now we are suppose to police other people's right, are you really reading what you write?

Plus, FYI, there is NO WAY to know where a photo is really coming from, I prefer to believe people when they claim the photos are theirs but there is no way to prove that, unless it's something very specific.

And no judge in the world will give a copyright holder a dime if they didn't state they own the copyright, it's legally assumed that if you don't say anything, it's public, either because there is no copyright or because the copyright holder wants it to be public. :rolleyes:

Fingon
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Let me make it very simple for You: If do not know from where photo is coming from then you can't assume that it's not protected by some kind of copyright rule.

That was all I wanted to say.
and, mr genious, you didn't answer my question.

Do you know the origin of every line of code of all software running on your computer?

do you save images from websites? because that's not necessarily allowed, even for personal use if the copyright holder doesn't want that (according to you they don't need to tell you what they want, they don't even need to tell you who they are, it's up to you find out :rolleyes: )

Fingon
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's done by adding a .htaccess file...I should do it too, tons of photos are posted all over...
that would work with apache, not with Windows

vutt
Aug 26th, 2004, 08:50 PM
If you don't see a copyright notice, the photo is assumed to not be copyrighted, and that's the law, despite what you would like.

Yeah sure! If someone crops out copyright notice and posts it somewhere publicly you will more than happy to use it on your site. Is that so?

doris5085
Aug 26th, 2004, 10:20 PM
Yeah sure! If someone crops out copyright notice and posts it somewhere publicly you will more than happy to use it on your site. Is that so?

lol :lol:

saab95
Aug 27th, 2004, 03:34 PM
there isn't any problem
execpt paranoia - to search for enemies instead of pleasing people
and to make other people to play their own rules

Ask you to remember only :)
The thief shouts most loudly "Hold the thief "

Fingon
Aug 27th, 2004, 03:41 PM
Yeah sure! If someone crops out copyright notice and posts it somewhere publicly you will more than happy to use it on your site. Is that so?
don't bother, I won't waste my time with you anymore

Fingon
Aug 27th, 2004, 03:42 PM
Yeah sure! If someone crops out copyright notice and posts it somewhere publicly you will more than happy to use it on your site. Is that so?
and read the copyright law, what you think is completely irrelevant.

vutt
Aug 27th, 2004, 04:10 PM
don't bother, I won't waste my time with you anymore
I'm glad You finally got my point! :D

jcman
Aug 27th, 2004, 04:27 PM
in fact, I'm really impressed by all the webmasters, they have done a great job. Some of the websites might be not very attractive but the webmaster has done their best. I thin k we should thank them for such great work.

I konw that building up a web is easy but it's really difficult to maintain it , to make it very update. I have tried many times to start my own web for a player, i never succeeded. So i really impressed by all of the webmasters!

Anik
Aug 27th, 2004, 04:52 PM
in fact, I'm really impressed by all the webmasters, they have done a great job. Some of the websites might be not very attractive but the webmaster has done their best. I thin k we should thank them for such great work.

I konw that building up a web is easy but it's really difficult to maintain it , to make it very update. I have tried many times to start my own web for a player, i never succeeded. So i really impressed by all of the webmasters!

the help from the fans improve much a website so it's not just the webmaster :) many fans here send me scan, articles, photos... from australia, USA, Russia, Poland... !!! the webmasters need help to have a attractive website... and just suggestions or comments really help :)

rottweily
Aug 27th, 2004, 05:02 PM
The quality of Justines website is proportional with the level of her tennis skills: the best :p

vutt
Aug 27th, 2004, 05:04 PM
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/dhbvg87

This site about Jelena is quite fascinating. Little to retro layout, but with nice Japanese touch with flowers and stuff. Complete statistics and articles about her. And there is only one men behind it. That's I call commitment...

jklense
Aug 27th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Thanks for drawing attention to copyright problems, guys :worship:
but i, for one, don't know that law at all, need to find out :scratch:
and btw is it internationally universal :confused: hardly ever, so it must be very complex thing...
is there a hope on adjusting such questions on - dunno - more friendly base? or misbehaviour dominates still? :unsure:
hope saab95 is right with his there isn't any problem execpt paranoia - to search for enemies instead of pleasing people

Anik
Sep 2nd, 2004, 12:56 AM
What web sites of your favourites - or any tennis player ;) -
do you think as most/least informative/attractive/fun/boring/you-name-it?

What do you consider to be mandatory features for such site?
What options do you like best?
What does annoy you there?
Do you need them at all?

MOST

i like website with many articles, pictures, all stats, updated and other things but what I like who are not on all the sites:

shoutbox
It's not all ppl who like to go on the forum so they can post in shoutbox for a contact with other fans. Dinara never go in my forum but she go sometimes in my website, and she already posted so i think it's interesting for fans who can't meet her in real you know !!!

Contest
like i said its not all people that can meet her players so if the website can offer pictures or others things of player its interesting i think. always with dinara lol... when i meet her, she autograph some pictures and i can make a contest for fans so i think its interesting for ppl that cant meet her.

Schedule of the year
its not easy to make all calendar but with some search the website can give, not exactly calendar, but an idea :)

Exclusives things
Reports, Pictures, videos... what we do not find on the sites of news like eurosports, google, official website of the player...

Design
original website and clean !!! too much contents in the same page is like not enough contents. and all tennis players looks same so webmaster can try to have original things.

exemple : http://www.webgiraf.dk/tatiana and http://www.sharapova.ru

clean and sweet design. it's simply website with many things and infos.

LEAST

when i enter in the website and i have 20 new windows with pub. i dont want buying a television when i want to see news of tennis.

What about fan site as opposed to an official player's site?

i like because you have real and exclusive news, you can send your question at the player, you have many exclusice things BUT its not always update like some fan website... also official website have often just their exclusifs articles and pictures but a fan website often offer all pictures and articles who found in the web !!!

tadammm jklense !!! you have my opinion :) !! oufffffffffff english its not always easy lol hope i dont make big mistake :p

isa1016
Sep 2nd, 2004, 07:46 AM
I've my own website about the former player Gabriela Sabatini :

http://membres.lycos.fr/isa1070/

If you liked her (or still do), you're gonna find here lots of pics, articles, interviews and many other things :hearts: .

Just enjoy and tell me what you think about it OK :lol:

Have a nice day
Isa :kiss:

Hayato
Sep 2nd, 2004, 07:48 AM
JohnJohn and I are making a Rossana Neffa-de los Rios forum/fan page now.....i will give the link out as soon as it's created!!! :hearts:

englishjenfan
Sep 2nd, 2004, 09:16 PM
I've my own website about the former player Gabriela Sabatini :

http://membres.lycos.fr/isa1070/

If you liked her (or still do), you're gonna find here lots of pics, articles, interviews and many other things :hearts: .

Just enjoy and tell me what you think about it OK :lol:

Have a nice day
Isa :kiss:


Great website you can visit mine too, the address is on my signature!

jklense
Sep 3rd, 2004, 06:49 PM
MOST
i like website...Anik, thanks so much for this posting :worship::worship::worship:
Sorry for not commenting at once, read it just now, was off forum for some time...

One brief comment, if you please...
shoutbox
It's not all ppl who like to go on the forum so they can post in shoutbox for a contact with other fans. Dinara never go in my forum but she go sometimes in my website, and she already posted so i think it's interesting for fans who can't meet her in real you know !!!yes, it's good for good people, but i saw it so many times such feature is abused, it takes no effort if one wants to...
so, there couldn't be any real trust in what is said on behalf the player herself - or any known person, for that matter :(
in a technical sense, there's no evidence of authencity, so to know for sure the 'shouter' :scratch:
is who (s)he claims to be, you must be very close to him/her, and the meaning of the shoutbox disappears... :sad:
it's not your fault, of course

Thanks once again for your analysis, job you do with the sites, and the nice links... :bowdown:

Anik
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:02 PM
One brief comment, if you please...
yes, it's good for good people, but i saw it so many times such feature is abused, it takes no effort if one wants to...
so, there couldn't be any real trust in what is said on behalf the player herself - or any known person, for that matter :(


a shoutbox it's like a forum... that take a moderator !!! when dinara doesn't tell me which post on the tag, i delete if im not sure... it's same thing for a forum ;) .... but its not just for a contact with player... also a contact with other fans when you dont want going in forum... :)

jklense
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:19 PM
when dinara doesn't tell me which post on the tag, i delete if im not sure...i see, you really have good contact with the player to whom the site is devoted. great! :yeah:
so, is it correct to suggest to such sites masters
a) not to make shoutbox if they lack such good contact
or
b) moderate it heavily?

Anik
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:32 PM
i see, you really have good contact with the player to whom the site is devoted. great! :yeah:
so, is it correct to suggest to such sites masters
a) not to make shoutbox if they lack such good contact
or
b) moderate it heavily?

before Miami, I was not in contact with Dinara and I always had a shoutbox... I think, a shoutbox put some animation on a website !!! im not in contact with bovina but for sure, I will have a tag soon :)

jklense
Sep 16th, 2004, 07:14 PM
...you can visit mine too, the address is on my signature!Good site you have, Emily!
Sorry for my question, but it's not just curiousity... :bowdown:
Your articles section skips the matches Jen lost - meanwhile, say, Lena Klimova published an article on Jen's USO SF loss at her site... Does the dissapoinment prevail and you have no strength to post such, or what? :bowdown:
I mean, how does a web master combine his/her web job and being a fan? Does (s)he have to do so? Is site support more important than personal feelings when your fave is unlucky? Or is it better to move oneself aside of emotions? :confused:
Another thing, the order of news and articles at your site (newest at the bottom) is uncommon for such sites, reverse is widespread. Do you mean this steady, or do you just pay no attention? :confused:

Lindsita
Sep 16th, 2004, 09:03 PM
Hi! :wavey: I think, that it's really tough to combine your feelings and thoughts about your fav's loss, when you're a fan and a web master at the same time. But I think, meanwhile, we have to live with it. I feel so sorry and I'm so upset cause Jen lost in the USO semis, but as Jen said, it wasn't her last chance or something. And I think, there's no need to hide or not to post the related articles and etc. about the losses. It's a game, and a player can't always win. And if Jen will visit a site, what will she think of not found there the facts of her loss? That we are ashamed of her or what? So, our fan's feelings are our fan's feelings and they'll stay with us, but as a web master we shall do our job. It's just my own oppinion. :worship:
Lena Klimova.;)

jklense
Sep 23rd, 2004, 06:00 PM
Thanks for your site and good answer, Lena! :worship:

Lindsita
Sep 23rd, 2004, 08:09 PM
Thanks, jklens!;)

englishjenfan
Sep 23rd, 2004, 08:27 PM
Good site you have, Emily!
Sorry for my question, but it's not just curiousity... :bowdown:
Your articles section skips the matches Jen lost - meanwhile, say, Lena Klimova published an article on Jen's USO SF loss at her site... Does the dissapoinment prevail and you have no strength to post such, or what? :bowdown:
I mean, how does a web master combine his/her web job and being a fan? Does (s)he have to do so? Is site support more important than personal feelings when your fave is unlucky? Or is it better to move oneself aside of emotions? :confused:
Another thing, the order of news and articles at your site (newest at the bottom) is uncommon for such sites, reverse is widespread. Do you mean this steady, or do you just pay no attention? :confused:

Hey, I apologise about the articles, and not having the one match where Jen lost, it was not that i could not face it, that is not how i thought at all! I would definately have put it on. I guess i forgot too, because Jen did not go on to another tournament, i have not needed to update the site often! Also the web people only allow me 7 paragraphs and i had used them all! I will take one away though and add that one in!

Also you said about the most recent being at the top, thanks for the advise, next time i will do that too! You can check it out again and tell me what else is wrong :) :cool:

Thanks for the advice and i do promise it was nothing to do with Jen losing, although it was a great match for the pair of them, in the end Elena went for it more and that was obviously the better way! You have to move on from such loses and i have!
*Emily*

PatM04
Sep 23rd, 2004, 08:56 PM
www.tiffanydabek.com (http://www.tiffanydabek.com) Pretty good site for a 250 is ranked player. Still under construction though:)

doris5085
Sep 23rd, 2004, 09:11 PM
:wavey:

houseoflords
Sep 23rd, 2004, 11:14 PM
I know this will come as a huge surprise but I like Maria Kirilenko's official site, www.mariakirilenko.com (http://www.mariakirilenko.com) . Yes, the layout on the main page needs a little work but overall I think it's very good. I love all the off-court photos of Maria that are on the site. The English is choppy, just like Maria's so it adds charm and makes me think of Maria. I do wish they'd update it a little more often with results and such. I updated my Yahoo fan club group a lot quicker, but overall it is a solid site.

jklense
Sep 24th, 2004, 07:24 PM
Hey, I apologise about the articles...Emily, thanx for good answer! :worship:

btw - your Rankings table is not current, it doesn't touch Jen but nevertheless... :)

jklense
Sep 24th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I like Maria Kirilenko's official site, www.mariakirilenko.com (http://www.mariakirilenko.com)A very good site for a nice girl! :D

englishjenfan
Sep 27th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Emily, thanx for good answer! :worship:

btw - your Rankings table is not current, it doesn't touch Jen but nevertheless... :)

And later that day before i saw your post, I updated it! I have been very busy with work (a load of coursework), from now on it will be regularly updated!
*Emily*

englishjenfan
Sep 27th, 2004, 09:24 PM
Done all corrections so see what you think now. I'm sure you will find something wrong!!!!!! However it has improved, thaks to your help!
*Emily*

jklense
Sep 28th, 2004, 12:30 PM
Done all corrections so see what you think now. I'm sure you will find something wrong!!!!!! However it has improved, thaks to your help!
*Emily*Emily, your homework is not finished :lol:
Top Ten is not current. :scratch:
Sorry, my eyes don't almost see magenta - especially dark - on bordeaux... :(
Phrase like "Jen beat the Russian" is not understandable unless you slip down a bit and see Vera Douchevina name... :(
Date principle in news is much better than enumeration, but two news dated the same confuse a little...
Enumeration in 'Pilot Pen news' is not obvious, imho, i'd maybe prefer just bullets...
I'd still prefer reverse order in 'Articles', newest at the top...
Sorry, the butterflies do bore a little...
You can ignore all this, of course, there's not such thing as perfectness...

Best wishes

chrisbutt88
Sep 28th, 2004, 12:45 PM
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wongqks
Sep 28th, 2004, 01:08 PM
for me I waqnt to have video clips of best points etc..

englishjenfan
Sep 28th, 2004, 03:42 PM
Emily, your homework is not finished :lol:
Top Ten is not current. :scratch:

That is because, if you realised, yesterday on the web the top ten were not updatedf and so how was i to know? Oh and I have been working all day so far ;) And personally i like that colour and so does Jennifer and that is what my website is about. Soo....... :p

englishjenfan
Sep 28th, 2004, 04:21 PM
Emily, your homework is not finished :lol:
Top Ten is not current. :scratch:
Sorry, my eyes don't almost see magenta - especially dark - on bordeaux... :(
Phrase like "Jen beat the Russian" is not understandable unless you slip down a bit and see Vera Douchevina name... :(
Date principle in news is much better than enumeration, but two news dated the same confuse a little...
Enumeration in 'Pilot Pen news' is not obvious, imho, i'd maybe prefer just bullets...
I'd still prefer reverse order in 'Articles', newest at the top...
Sorry, the butterflies do bore a little...
You can ignore all this, of course, there's not such thing as perfectness...

Best wishes

All is done except the butterflies and colour because personally i like them!

jklense
Sep 28th, 2004, 04:31 PM
...yesterday on the web the top ten were not updated... And personally i like that colour and so does Jennifer and that is what my website is about. Soo....... :pOK, and you got that colours point, now it's readable - except those black-on-bordeaux parts ( .../About/WTA e.g. or Links ).
btw, the pic on the About page can't be accessed by ordinary visitors...
Is 'current tournament' header correct when applied to USO?

And sorry, Emily, maybe we'd better continue by PMs or at your site, not to be :topic: here :scratch:
These issues are basic imho, and the thread was started for some real experience and opinions. Yes, you've posted some relevant things here, but now, sorry, we are back to some basics. No offences please :worship:

jklense
Sep 28th, 2004, 04:45 PM
for me I waqnt to have video clips of best points etc..Yeah! :yeah:
I'd like too, but no clue as to what organisation issues does it involve... :scratch:
Do players have a right to get such clips from organisers? Do they bring their camera men? Is it legal to record from TV and republish - or possible to buy there? :confused:

mostefan
Sep 29th, 2004, 07:32 PM
for me I waqnt to have video clips of best points etc..Great point! :hatoff:
Do you know how to do it in practice or is it implemented anywhere?

jklense
Oct 1st, 2004, 08:31 PM
look at http://www.clijsterskim.be/ and have some fun:
English and Dutch versions are cross-named. :rolleyes:
Dutch (named as En) latest news is of Sep-16, English (named Nl) of July-3.
Does the return of Kim mean nothing to the masters? :confused:
Where's your support, guys? :(

conchitaeterna
Oct 1st, 2004, 08:41 PM
Conchita Martinez site

http://inicia.es/de/lagranconchita

All about the great Conchita

R&J
Oct 2nd, 2004, 03:41 AM
:wavey:
And us!

jklense
Oct 4th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Mates, once again, thanks for new links :worship:
but please, PLEASE :bowdown: don't be so shy to limit yourself with the links only,
kindly share your opinions and experience if any, wishes and so on...
'Seeing is believing' doesn't work at such cases, imho :scratch:

timray
Oct 16th, 2004, 11:12 PM
http://www.mariaworld.net/
excellent site


http://www.kimclijsters.be/
very good site

http://www.nickaweb.com/
very good site

Anik
Oct 17th, 2004, 02:02 AM
http://www.nickaweb.com/
very good site

:eek: really you surprise me !!!!!! the design is sad and i think it's not attractive then i search a new design since 3 months :bigcry:

Anik
Oct 17th, 2004, 02:04 AM
btw, a new masha sharapova website : http://www.maria-sharapova.org

really interesting and nice design !!!