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Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Chris Whiteside and Preacherfan have been asking about pre-computer rankings. If anyone finds them we'll add them in here-and we can add the year-end computer rankings as well.

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Pre-1919 ratings are particularly scarce. Many thanks to Elegos 7 for the following:
I have found some women's rankings (classifications) between 1898 and 1904 in LAWN TENNIS FOR LADIES by MRS. LAMBERT CHAMBERS (this book can be found on-line on the internet). These include only British and Irish players but in my opinion can be regarded as world rankings for these years. It was only in 1905 that May Sutton came to England and surprised everybody with her strong tennis, winning Wimbledon. Until that time, British and Irish ladies dominated every event that they entered. The only US Ladies Champion who played Wimbledon before Sutton was Marion Jones in 1900, but she lost early.

It is great to have rankings before 1921 when Wallys Myers began his world rankings.
Have any of you encountered similar classifications for the pre-1914 period? I would also be interested in men's classifications. Please send me a personal message if you have such rankings.


Here are the Top8 players for each year. There are several ties as you can see below.
1898
1. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
2-5. Edith Austin (GBR)
Ruth Dyas (IRL)
Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
6. Bertha Steedman (GBR)
7-8. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
Muriel Robb (GBR)

1899
1-2. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
3-4. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
Edith Austin (GBR)
5. Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
6. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
7. Muriel Robb (GBR)
8. Bertha Steedman (GBR)

1900
1. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
2. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
3-4. Louise Martin (IRL)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
5. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
6. Muriel Robb (GBR)
7-11. E. Bromfield (GBR)
Mrs. G. Evered (GBR)
C. Hill (GBR)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
Mrs. Ruth Winch (GBR)

1901
1. Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
2-3. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
4. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
5-8. Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
Muriel Robb (GBR)

1902
1-2. Muriel Robb (GBR)
Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
3-5. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
6-7. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
H. Lane (GBR)
8-14. Agnes Morton (GBR)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
Bertha Steedman (GBR)
Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
Constance Wilson (GBR)
Towpie Lowther (GBR)
E. Bromfield (GBR)

1903
1-2. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
3-4. Ethel Thomson (GBR)
Towpie Lowther (GBR)
5. Constance Wilson (GBR)
6-8. Angela Greene (GBR)
Agnes Morton (GBR)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)

1904
1. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
2-4. Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Constance Wilson (GBR)
5-6. Ethel Thomson (GBR)
Agnes Morton (GBR)
7-10. Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
Violet Pinckney (GBR)
Angela Greene (GBR)
H. Lane (GBR)

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
1919

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
1920

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
1921

Wallis Myers-London Daily Telegraph
1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Mola Mallory US
3 Mary Browne US
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 Kitty McKane England
6 May Sutton Bundy US
7 Irene Peacock South Africa.
8 Geraldine Beamish England
9 Eleanor Goss US
10 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
1922

Wallis Myers-London Daily Telegraph
1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Molla Mallory US
3 Helen Wills US
4 Kitty McKane England
5 Geraldine Beamish England
6 Irene Peacock South Africa
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
9 May Sutton Bundy US
10 Margaret Molesworth Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:46 PM
1923

Wallis Myers-London Daily Telegraph
1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane England
3 Helen Wills US
4 Geraldine Beamish England
5 Molla Malory US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Didi Vlasto France
9 Leslie Bancroft US
10 Margaret Molesworth Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1924

Wallis Myers London Daily Telegraph

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane England
3 Helen Wills US
4 Mola Mallory US
5 Mary K. Browne US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Phylis Satherthwaite England
9 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
10 Sylvia Lance Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1925

Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Helen Wills US
3 Kitty McKane England
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 Molla Bjurstedt Mallory US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 Dorothea Douglass Chambers England
8 Joan Fry England
9 Marguerite Billout France
10 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1926

Wallis Myers-of the Daily Mail

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane Godfree England
3 Lili de Alvarez Spain
4 Molla Bjurstedt MalloryUS
5 Elizabeth Ryan US
6 Mary K. Browne England
7 Joan Fry England
8 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
9 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
10 Didi Vlasto France

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1927

Wallis Myers -of the Daily Mail

1 Helen Wills US
2 Lili de Alvarez Spain
3 Elizabeth Ryan US
4 Molla Bjurstedt Mallory US
5 Kitty Godfree England
6 Betty Nuthall England
7 Bobbie Heine South Africa
8 Joan Fry England
9 Kea Bouman Netherlands
10 Charlotte Hosmer Chapin US

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1928

Wallis Myers-of the Daily Mail

1 Helen Wills US
2 Lili de Alvarez Spain
3 Daphne Akhurst Australia
4 Eileen Bennett England
5 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
6 Elizabeth Ryan US
7 Cilly Aussem Germany
8 Kea Bouman Netherlands
9 Helen Jacobs US
10 Esna Boyd Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1929

Wallis Myers-of the Daily Mail

1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
3 Helen Jacobs US
4 Betty Nuthall England
5 Bobbie Heine South Africa
6 S. Passemand Mathieu France
7 Eileen Bennett England
8 Paula von Reznicek Germany
9 Peggy Saunders Michel England
10 Elsie Goldsack England

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1930

Wallis Myers- of the Daily Mail

1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Cilly Aussem Germany
3 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 S. Passemand Mathieu France
6 Helen Jacobs US
7 Phylis Mudford England
8 Lili de Alvarez Spain
9 Betty Nuthall England
10 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1931

Wallis Myer's
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Cilly Aussem Germany
3 Eileen Whittingstall (England)
4 Helen Jacobs US
5 Betty Nuthall England
6 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
7 Simone Mathieu France
8 Lili de Alvarez Spain
9 Phylis Mudford England
10 Elsie Pittman England

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1932

Wallis Myers
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 SimoneMathieu France
4 Lolette Payot Switzerland
5 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
6 Mary Heeley England
7 Eileen Whittingstall (England)
8 Frl Horn Germany
9 Kay Stammers England
10 Josanne Sigart France

Note: Sigart usually listed as Belgian.

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1933

Wallis Myers
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 Dorothy Round Britain
4 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
5 Peggy Scriven England
6 Simone Mathieu France
7 Sarah Palfrey USA
8 Betty Nuthall England
9 Lolette Payot Switzerland
10 Alice Marble USA

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1934

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1 Jacobs
2 Round
3 Palfrey
4 Scriven
5 Mathieu
6 Hartigan
7 Sperling
8 Payot
9 Babcock
10 Aussem

Wallis Myers
1 Dorothy Round GB
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 Hilde Sperling Germany
4 Sarah Palfrey USA
5 Peggy Scriven England
6 Simone Mathieu France
7 Lolette Payot Switzerland
8 Joan Hartigan Australia
9 Cilly Aussem Germany
10 Carolyn Babcock USA

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1935

Ned Potter of AmericanLawn Tennis
1. Wills-Moody
2. Sperling
3. Jacobs
4. Mathieu
5. Stammers
6. Arnold
7. Round
8. Fabyan (Palfrey)
9. Hartigan
10. King (Mudford)


Pierre Gillou-President of the French Federation
1. Helen Wills-Moody (US)
2. Helen Jacobs (US)
3. Hilde Sperling (Denmark)
4. Joan Hartigan (Australia)
5. Simone Mathieu (France)
6. Kay Stammers (GB)
7. Dorothy Round (GB)
8. Sarah Palfrey-Fabyan (US)
9. Ethel Burkhardt-Arnold (US)
10. Jadwiga Jedrejoska (Poland)

Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail
1. H. Wills
2. H. Jacobs
3. Kay Stammers
4. H. Sperling
5. Palfrey-Fabyan
6. D. Round
7. Mrs. Arnold
8. Mathieu
9. J. Hartigan
10. Peggy Scriven (GB)

A comment or two from Lawn Tennis and Badminton, a British publication. "The value of such lists has often been doubted in some quarters, and there can be no denying that they raise controversy." ...."suggestions have been made from time to time that the International Tennis Federation should issue an official "World" list."

Hughes points out some difficulties in a women's list. Hilde Sperling did not an entire set all year outside of Wimbledon-her lone loss being to Helen Jacobs at the Championships-yet she ranks no higher than 4th on Myer's list. He asks. "is it fair in drawing up a world classification to attacj too much weight to the Wimbledon and American results."

Hughes proposed solution is two lists: one for grass and one for hard [clay] courts.

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1936

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. Hilde Sperling Germany
2. Helen Jacobs
3. Alice Marble
4. Dorothy Round Britian
5. Simone Mathieu France
6. Jadwiga Jedrzejowska Poland
7. Lili de Alvarez Spain
8. Kay Stammers Britain
9. Anita Lizana Chile
10. Carolin Babcock

Fred Perry-World men's #1
1. Helen Jacobs
2. Hilde Sperling
3. Dorothy Round
4. Alice Marble
5. Kay Stammers
6. Jadwiga Jedrzejowska
7. Simone Mathieu
8. Sarah Fabyan
9. Anita Lizana
10. Carolin Babcock


Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail
1. Helen Jacobs
2. Hilde Sperling Germany
3. Dorothy Round Britain
4. Alice Marble
5. Simone Mathieu France
6. Jadwiga Jedrzejowska
7. Kay Stammers Britain
8. Anita Lizana Chile
9. Sarah Fabyan
10. Carolyn Babcock

Fabyan formerly Palfrey.

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1937

Ned Potter of Americna Lawn Tennis
1. A Lizana
2. Round
3. Sperling
4. Mathieu
5. Jedrejowska
6. Marble
7. Bundy
8. Jacobs
9. Horn
10. Hardwick

Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail
1. A Lizana
2. Round
3. J Jedrzejowska
4. Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. H. Jacobs
7. A Marble
8. M Horn
9. RM Hardwick
10. DM Bundy

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:48 PM
1938

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. F Moody
2. Marble
3. Sperling
4. Jacobs
5. Jedrejowska
6. Scriven
7. Wynee
8. Fabyan (Palfrey)
9. Lumb
10. Mathieu

Additionally in article by Potter he includes " a second ten would be composed of Bundy, Stammers, Miller, Hopman, Hardwick, Coyne, Scott, Ellis (nee Lizana), Stevenson and Wolfenden"



Pierre Gillou (Paris)
1. Moody
2. Sperling
3. Marble
4. Jacobs
5. Fabyan
6. Jedrzejowska
7. Bundy
8. Mathieu
9. Wynne
10. Lumb


Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail
1. F Moody
2. H. Jacobs
3. A Marble
4. S Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. J Jedrzejowska
7. Fabyan
8. Mrs Miller (South Africa)
9. K Stammers
10. N Wynne

Most ranking courtesy of DavidK

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:49 PM
1939

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. Marble
2. Jacobs
3. Stammers
4. Fabyan (Palfrey)
5. Jedrejowska
6. Mathieu
7. Scott
8. Sperling
9. Hardwick
10. Scrivan

Sir Gordon Lowe

1. A Marble
2. K Stammers
3. H. Jacobs
4. S Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. Fabyan
7. J Jedrzejowska
8. RM Hardwick
9. VE Scott
10. Virginia Wolfenden

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:49 PM
1940-45


No world ranking due to WWII

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:49 PM
1946

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. P Betz
2. ME Osborne
3. AL Brough
4. DJ Hart
5. PC Todd
6. D Bundy
7. N Landry
8. Mrs M Menzies
9. S Fry
10. F Kovacs


Pierre Gillou

1. P Betz
2. ME Osborne
3. AL Brough
4. DJ Hart
5. PC Todd
6. D Bundy
7. N Landry
8. Mrs M Menzies
9. S Fry
10. F Kovacs

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:49 PM
1947

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack

1. Margaret Osborne
2. Louise Brough
3. Doris Hart
4. Nancye Bolton
5. Pat Todd
6. Sheila Summers
7. Jean Bostock
8. Barbara Krase
9. Betty Hilton
10. Magda Rurac

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. Louise Brough
2. Nancye Bolton (Aus)
3. Margaret Osborne
4. Doris Hart
5. Sheila Summers (S. Africa)
6. Pat Todd
7. Magda Rurac (Rumania)
8. Jean Bostosck (G. Britain)
9. Mary Arnold Prentiss
10. Suzy Kormoczy (Hungary)

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:49 PM
1948

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack

1. Margaret Osborne du Pont--US
2. Louise Brough--US
3. Doris Hart--US
4. Nancye Bolton--Australia
5. Pat Todd--US
6. Jean Bostock--GB
7. Sheila Summers--S. Africa
8. Shirley Fry-US
9. Magda Rurac-Romania
10. Nelly Landry--France

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis
1. DuPont
2. Brough
3. Hart
4. Todd
5. Moran
6. Bostock
7. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
8. Landry
9. Fry
10 Virginia Wolfenden Kovacs-US

Pierre Gillou-France
1. Brough
2. DuPont
3. Hart
4. Todd
5. Bolton
6. Moran
7. Landry
8. Fry
9. Bostock
10. Betty Hilton-GB

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1949

Ned Potter of American Lawn Tennis

1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. Mrs Pastall Perez
5. PC Todd
6. S Fry
7. Mrs Moran
8. Beverly Baker Beckett
9. Miss D Head
10. BE Hilton


Pierre Gillou

1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. PC Todd
5. BE Hilton
6. Mrs Moran
7. Mrs Pastall Perez
8. S Fry
9. Beverly Baker Beckett
10. Mrs Walker Smith

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1950

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack

1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. PC Todd
5. B Scofield
6. N Chaffee
7. Beverly Baker
8. S Fry
9. A Bossi
10. H Weiss


Ned Potter
1. du Pont
2. Hart
3. Brough
4. Todd
5. Fry
6. Chaffee
7. Walker-Smith
8. Baker
9. Scofield
10. Harrison (Hilton)

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1951

John Oliff
1. DJ Hart
2. M Connolly
3. S Fry
4. NC Kiner
5. Walker Smith England
6. J Quertier England
7. AL Brough
8. B. Baker
9. PC Todd
10. J Maule England

Ned Potter
1. Hart
2. Fry
3. Connolly
4. Kiner (Chaffee)
5. Walker-Smith
6. Todd
7. Baker
8. Brough
9. duPont
10. Tuckey

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1952

Lance Tingay of the Daily Mail
1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. AL Brough
4. S Fry
5. PC Todd
6. NC Kiner
7. TC Long Australia
8. Walker Smith England
9. I Rinkel Quertier England
10. D Knode

Ned Potter
1. Connolly
2. Hart
3. Fry
4. Brough
5. Kiner (Chaffee)
6. Todd
7. Walker-Smith
8. Head
9. Mortimer
10. Kanter

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1953

Lance Tingay

1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. AL Brough
4. S Fry
5. W Du Pont
6. D Knode
7. S Kormoczy Hungary
8. A Mortimer England
9. H Fletcher England
10. I Rinkel Quertier England


World Tennis
1 Connolly
2 Hart
3 Fry
4 Brough
5 duPont
6 Knode
7 Long
8 Fletcher
9 Gibson
10 Mortimer

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1954

Lance Tingay

1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. B Fleitz
4. AL Brough
5. W Du Pont
6. S Fry
7. S Pratt Jamaica
8. H Fletcher England
9. A Mortimer England
10. TC Long Australia


World Tennis
1 Connolly
2 Hart
3 Fleitz
4 Brough
5 Pratt
6 Fry
7 Breit
8 Hard
9 Mortimer
10 Mottram

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:50 PM
1955

L'Equipe (French tennis magazine)

01 Doris Hart (US)
02 Louise Brough (US)
03 Beverly Fleitz (US)
04 Dottie Knode (US)
05 Darlene Hard (US)
06 Pat Ward (GB)
07 Barbara Breit (US)
08 Shirley Bloomer (GB)
09 Angela Buxton (GB)
10 Shirley Fry (US)
10 Angela Mortimer (GB)

Lance Tingay (British tennis writer)

01 Louise Brough (US)
02. Doris Hart (US)
03. Beverly Fleitz (US)
04. Angela Mortimer (Great Britain)
05. Dottie Knode (US)
06. Barbara Breit (US)
07. Darlene Hard (US)
08. Beryl Penrose (Australia)
09. Pat Ward (England)
10. Suzi Kormoczy (Hungary)
10. Shirley Fry (US)


World Tennis (US Magazine)

01 Doris Hart (US)
02 Louise Brough (US)
03 Beverly Fleitz (US)
04 Angela Mortimer (GB)
05 Beryl Penrose (Aus)
06 Pat Ward (GB)
07 Dottie Knode (US)
08 Barbara Breit (US)
09 Darlene Hard (US)
10 Shirley Fry (US)

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1956

Lance Tingay

1. S Fry
2. A Gibson
3. AL Brough
4. A Mortimer England
5. S Kormoczy Hungary
6. A Buxton England
7. S Bloomer England
8. PE Ward England
9. S Pratt Jamaica
=10. W Du Pont
=10. D Hard


World Tennis
1 Fry
2 Gibson
3 Mortimer
4 Brough
5 Buxton
6 Bloomer
7 Pratt
8 Kormoczy
9 Knode
10 Long

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1957

British Lawn Tennis Readers' Poll

1 Gibson
2 Hard
3 Bloomer
4 Brough
5 Knode
6 Haydon
7 Puzejova
8 Truman
9 Ramirez
10 Kormoczy


Lance Tingay-of the Daily Telgragh
1. Althea Gibson-US
2. Darlene Hard-US
3. Shirley Bloomer-GB
4. Louise Brough-US
5. Dottie Knode-US
6. Vera Puzejova-Czech
7. Ann Haydon-GB
8. Yola Rameriez-Mexico
9. Christine Truman-GB
10. Margaret DuPont-US

Ned Potter-World Tennis
1 Althea Gibson-US
2 Louise Brough-US
3 Dottie Knode-US
4 Shirley Bloomer-GB
5 Darlene Hard-US
6 Karol Fageros-US
7 Christine Truman-GB
8 Ann Haydon-GB
9 Angela Mortimer-GB
10 Thelma Long-Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1958

British Lawn Tennis Reader's Poll

1 Gibson
2 Fleitz
3 Kormoczy
4 Hard
5 Mortimer
6 Truman
7 Bloomer
8 Bueno
9 Haydon
10 Knode


Lance Tingay of the Daily Mail
1. Althea Gibson-US
2. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
3. Beverly Fleitz-US
4. Darlene Hard-US
5. Shirley Bloomer-GB
6. Christine Truman-GB
7. Angelea Mortimer-GB
8. Ann Haydon-GB
9. Maria Bueno-Brazil
10. Dottie Knode-US

Ned Potter of World Tennis
1 Althea Gibson-US
2 Beverly Fleitz-US
3 Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
4 Darlene Hard-US
5 Angelea Mortimer-GB
6 Dottie Knode-US
7 Christine Truman-GB
8 Maria Bueno-Brazil
9 Shirley Bloomer-GB
10 Lorraine Coghlan-Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1959

British Lawn Tennis Reader's Poll
1 Bueno
2 Truman
3 Fleitz
4 Hard
5 Mortimer
6 Reynolds
7 Haydon
8 Ramirez
9 Moore
10 Kormoczy

Lance Tingay of the Daily Mail
1 Bueno
2 Truman
3 Hard
4 Beverly Baker Fleitz-US
5 Reynolds
6 Mortimer
7 Haydon
8 Kormoczi
9 Moore
10 Rameriez


Ned Potter for World Tennis
1 Bueno
2 Truman
3 Fleitz
4 Reynolds
5 Mortimer
6 Hard
7 Haydon
8 Schuurman
9 Ramirez
10 Knode

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1960

Lance Tingay-of the Daily Telegraph
1. Bueno
2. Hard
3. Reynolds
4. Truman
5. Kormoczi
6. Haydon
7. Mortimer
8. Lehane
9. Rameriez
10. Schuurman

Ned Potter for World Tennis
1 Bueno
2 Hard
3 Haydon
4 Truman
5 Reynolds
6 Kormoczy
7 Mortimer
8 Lehane
9 Hantze
10 Knode

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:51 PM
1961

British Lawn Tennis Reader's Poll
1 Mortimer
2 Hard
3 Haydon
4 Smith
5 Reynolds
6 Truman
7 Ramirez
8 Hantze
9 Kormoczy
10 Schuurman

Lance Tingay-of the Daily Mail
1 Mortimer
2 Hard
3 Haydon
4 Smith
5 Reynolds
6 Rameriez
7 Truman
8 Kormoczi
9 Schuurman
10 Hantze

Ned Potter of World Tennis

1. Angela Mortimer-GB
2. M Smith -Australia
3. Ann Haydon-GB
4. Christine Truman-GB
5. Darlene Hard-US
6. K Hantze USA
7. S Reynolds South Africa
8. Y Ramirez Mexico
9. E Buding
10. L Turner

Lists Bueno under Insufficient data.

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1962

British Lawn Tennis Reader's Poll
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Hantze
5 Schuurman
6 Haydon
7 Sukova
8 Reynolds
9 Turner
10 Mortimer (?)

Lance Tingay-of the Daily Telgraph
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Karen Hantze Susman-US
5 Vera Puzejova Sukova-Czechoslovakia
6 Sandra Reynolds Price-S. Africa
7 Lesley Turner
8 Ann Haydon
9 Renee Schuurman-S. Africa
10 Angela Mortimer-GB

Ned Potter of World Tennis
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Susman
5 Schuurman
6 Haydon
7 Sukova
8 Reynolds
9 Caldwell
10 Moffitt

**A composite ranking based on the combined rankings of 11 "experts, including Ned Potter and Lance Tingay (rankings listed above) PLUS
Albon Colignon of Les Sports, Brussels
Ernst Graf of Sport, Zurich
Umberto Mezzanotte of Gazetto della Sporto, Milan
Tommu Engstrand of Idrottsbladet, Stockholm
Alan Stewert of The Herald, Melbourne
Ela Cunge of Przeglad Sportowy, Warsaw
Karol Marek of Ceskoslovensky Sport. Prague
Denis Lalanne of L'Equipe, Paris
Vad Dezso of Nepsport, Budapest
R. Grau of El Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona
Isabel Silva of Excesior, Mexico City

Points system based on 10 for #1, 9 for #2 etc. Margaret Smith was the unanimous choice for #1

Rank-Name-Points

1. Margaret Smith 110
2. Maria Bueno 93
3. Darlen Hard 83
4. Karen Susman 76
5. Vera Sukova 55
6. Renee Schuurman 49
7. Ann Jones 42
8. Sandra Reynolds 34
9. Lesley Turner 25
10. Billie Jean Moffitt 14
11. Jan Lehane 10
12. Carole Caldwell 5
13. Angela Mortimer 3
Edda Buding 3
15. Suzie Kormoczy 2
16. Christine Truman 1

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1963

British Lawn Tennis Reader's Poll
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Jones
6 Hard
7 Lehane
8 Schuurman
9 Truman
10 Sukova

Lance Tingay of the Daily Telegraph
1 Smith
2 Turner
3 Bueno
4 Moffitt
5 Jones
6 Hard
7 Lehane
8 Schuurman
9 Richey
10 Sukova

Ned Potter of World Tennis
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Hard
5 Moffitt
6 Jones
7 Lehane
8 Sukova
9 Schuurman
10 Ebbern

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1964

British Lawn Tennis Readers Poll
1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Richey
6 Susman
7 Graebner
8 Jones
9 Ebbern
10 Lehane

Lance Tingay

1. M Smith -Australia
2. Maria Bueno-Brazil
3. L Turner Australia
4. C Graebner USA
5. H Schultze Germany
6. N Richey USA
7. BJ Moffitt USA
8. J Susman US
9. R Ebbern Australia
10.J Lehane -AUS

Ned Potter of World Tennis
1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Richey
5 Moffitt
6 Graebner
7 Susman
8 Lehane
9 Hanks
10 Jones

Ulrich Kaiser based on an International panel.

1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Ebbern
6 Richey
7 Graebner
8 Jones
9 Lehane
10 Susman
-----------
11 Schultze
12 Baylon

Only 1 point separated Bueno and Smith but it is obvious that many correspondents regard Wimbledon and Forest Hills as sacrosanct. Ebbern ahead of Richey interesting.

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1965

British Lawn Tennis Readers Poll
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 King
4 Turner
5 Jones
6 Richey
7 van Zyl
8 Truman
9 Graebner
10 Durr


Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Richey
4 King
5 Turner
6 van Zyl
7 Truman
8 Jones
9 Graebner
10 Durr


Lance Tingay


1. M Smith -Australia
2. Maria Bueno-Brazil
3. Lesley Turner
4. BJ Moffitt USA
5. A Jones UK
6. A van Zyl S Africa
7. C Truman
8. N Richey USA
9. C Graebner USA
10. F Durr France


Sport za Rubezhom - Russia

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Richey
6 Jones
7 Graebner
8 van Zyl
9 Baylon
10 Durr

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1966

British Lawn Tennis Readers Poll
1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 King
4 Jones
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Durr
8 Baylon
9 Casals
10 Wade

Bruce Walkley----Melbourne Herald Sun Australia.

1 Maria Bueno-Brazil
2 Nancy Richey-US
3 Margaret Court-Aus.
4 Billie Jean King-US
5 AnnJones-GB
6 Annette van Zyl-S. Africa
7 Fraqncoise Durr-France
8 Carole Graebner-US
9 Kerry Melville-Aus
10 Rosie Casals-US

Joseph Macauley (World Tennis)
1 King
2 Bueno
3 Jones
4 Smith
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Casals
8 Baylon
9 Wade
10 Durr


Lance Tingay-Daily Telegraph

1. Billie Jean King
2. Margaret Smith
3. Maria Bueno
4. Ann Haydon Jones
5. Nancy Richey
6. Annette van Zyl
7. Norma Baylon-Aregentina
8. Francoise Durr
9. Rosie Casals
10. Kerry Melville

Pierre de Thier, Belgium

1 King
2 Smith
3 Bueno
4 Jones
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Casals
8 Melville
9 Durr
10 Baylon

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM
1967

British Lawn Tennis Readers Poll

1 King
2 Jones
3 Durr
4 Richey
5 Turner
6 Casals
7 Bueno
8 Wade
9 Tegart
10 Melville

The poll was abandoned with the start of the Open era.


Lance Tingay-Daily Telegraph

1. Billie Jean King
2. Ann Haydon Jones
3. Francoise Durr
4. Nancy Richey
5. Lesley Turner
6. Rosie Casals
7. Maria Bueno
8. Virginia Wade
9. Kerry Melville
10. Judy Tegart-Australia


Joseph Macauley-World Tennis

1. BJ Moffitt USA
2. A Jones UK
3. F Durr France
4. L Turner Australia
5. N Richey USA
6. R Casals USA
7. Maria Bueno-Brazil
8. V Wade UK
9. K Melville Australia
10. J Tegart Australia

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1968


Bud Collins
1 King
2 Wade
3 Richey
4 Court
5 Bueno
6 Jones
7 Tegart
8 Bowrey
9 du Plooy
10 Casals


Lance Tingay

1 King
2 Wade
3 Richey
4 Bueno
5 Court
6 Jones
7 Tegart
8 Du Plooy
9 Bowrey
10 Casals

Rino Tommasi.
1 King
2 Court
3 Richey
4 Wade
5 Tegart
6 Bowrey
7 du Plooy
8 Jones
9 Bueno
10 Durr


Seagram's (=World Tennis rankings)

15 top International Tennis Correspondents from around the world were asked to submit their world rankings for 1968 and the lists were amalgamated.

Panellists included:

Alan Trengove Australian Sun News Pictorial
Joseph McCauley World Tennis Magazine (who suspended their own rankings)
Steve Snider United Press International
Gerald Williams London Daily Mail
Judith Elian L'Equipe - France
George McCann Australian Consolidated Press
Fred Tupper New York Times

1 Billie Jean King 149 points
2 Nancy Richey 118
3 Margaret Court 116
4 Virginia Wade 113
5 Ann Jones 92
6 Judy Tegart 76
7 Maria Bueno 66
8 Annette du Plooy 36
9 Lesley Bowrey 26
10 Rosemary Casals 22

*Note 14 of 15 panelists cited King as #1

Others who received votes were: Julie Heldman 3pts, Gail Sherriff 3, Kathy Harter 3, Francoise Durr 2 and Peaches Bartkowicz 1.

Ulrich Kaiser of Germany
1. Billie Jean King
2. Virginia Wade
3. Ann Jones ---tie
3. Nancy Richey--tie
5. Margaret Court
6. Maria Bueno
7. Judy Tegart
8. Anette DuPlooy
9. Rosie Casals
10. Lesley Bowrey

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1969

Bud Collins
1 Court
2 Jones
3 King
4 Richey
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Eisel
9 Wade
10 Bowrey

Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Court
2 Jones
3 King
4 Richey
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Wade
9 Tegart
10 Bartkowicz

Lance Tingay
1. Court
2. Jones
3. King
4. Richey
5. Heldman
6. Casals
7. Melville
8. Bartkowicz
9. Wade
10. Bowrey

Rino Tomassi
1.Court
2. Jones
3. King
4. Richey
5. Heldman
6. Casals
7. Melville
8. Wade
9. Tegart
10. Bartkowicz

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1970

Bud Collins
1 Court
2 King
3 Casls
4 Richey
5 Wade
6 Masthoff
7 Jones
8 Melville
9 Krantzcke
10 Durr


Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Wade
5 Masthoff
6 Melville
7 Heldman
8 Krantzcke
9 Durr
10 Richey

Insufficient Data. A. Jones

Judith Elian of the French magazine L'Equipe
1. Court
2. King
3. Casals
4. Niessen
5. Wade
6. Melville
7. Krantzcke
8. Durr
9. Heldman
10. Richey
Lance Tingay
1. Court
2. King
3. Casals
4. Niessen
5. Wade
6. Jones
7. Melville
8. Krantzcke
9. Heldman
10. Durr

Mike Gibson-Wimbledon Officiil referee
1. Court
2. King
Jones
4. Casals
5. Niessen
6. Wade
7. Melville
8. Krantzcke
9. Heldman
10. Durr

Rino Tomassi
1.Court
2. King
3. Casals
4. Wade
5. Masthoff
6. Melville-Reid
7. Haydon-Jones
8. Durr
9. Krantzcke
10. Goolagong

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1971

Björn Hellberg (from Tennis Tidning, Sweden )

1) Goolagong
2) King
3) Court
4) Casals
5) Dürr
6) Wade
7) Melville
8) Masthoff
9) Gunter
10 equal) Evert & Dalton

Bud Collins (of the Boston Globe)
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Melville
6 Durr
7 Wade
8 Masthoff
9 Tegart
10 Evert


Frank Rostron (England)
1. Evonne Goolagong
1. Billie Jean King 9co-ranked at #1)
3. Margaret Court
4. Rosie Casals
5. Kerry Melville
6. Francoise Durr
7. Judy Dalton
8. Chris Evert
9. Virginia Wade
10. Helga Mastoff

Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Goolagong
2 King
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Wade
6 Durr
7 Masthoff
8 Melville-Reid
9 Richey
10 Dalton



Lance Tingay
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Melville
6. Dalton
7. Durr
8. Wade
9. Masthoff
10. Evert

L'Equipe (presumably Judith Elian)

1) Goolagong
2) Court
3) King
4) Casals
5) Melville
6) Wade
7) Evert
8) Dalton
9) Gunter
10 Chanfreau and Gourlay


Rex Bellamy of the London Times
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Durr
6. Mastoff
7. Wade
8. Gunter
9. Melville
10. Ann Jones -GB

Rino Tomassi

1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Wade
6. Durr
7. Evert
8. Melville-Reid
9.Gourlay
10. Tegart

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1972

Bud Collins:
1. King
2-Court
3-Richey
4-Evert
5-Wade
6-Goolagong
7-Casals
8-Melville
9-Durr
10-Morozova

Frank Rostron-British Sportswriter
1. King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Wade
5. Melville
7. Casals
7. Richey
9. Durr
10. Helga Mastoff and Linda Tuero

*Note he had women tied for positions 5, 7 and 10.


John Barrett
1. King
2. Court
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. Richey
6. Melville
7. Casals
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Stove

Lance Tingay
1. King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Melville
6. Wade
7. Casals
8. Gunter
9. Durr
10. Tuero

Rino Tommasi:
1. King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Richey
6. Casals
7. Melville
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Mastoff


World Tennis Compiled by Neil Amdur

1 King
2 Richey
3 Evert
4 Goolagong
5 Court
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Overton
= Morozova

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1973

Bud Collins
1 Court
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Evert
5 Casals
6 Wade
7 Melville
8 Richey
9 Heldman
10 Masthoff


John Barrett
1. Court
2. Evert
3. Goolagong
= King
5. Melville
6. Masthoff
7. Casals
8. Wade
9. Morozova
10. Richey


Lance Tingay

1. Court
2. King
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. Melville
6. Wade
7. Casals
8. Masthoff
9. Morozova
10. Stove

Rino Tomassi
1. Court
2. Evert
3. King
4. Goolagong
5. Melville-Reid
6. Casals
7. Richey
8. Wade
9. Masthoff
10. Morozova


World Tennis-complied by Neil Amdur
1 Court
2 Evert
3 King
4 Goolagong
5 Melville
6 Wade
7 Casals
8 Morozova
9 Richey
10 Durr

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55 PM
1974

Bud Collins
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Evert
4 Wade
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Morozova
9 Hunt
10 Durr

John Barrett
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Morozova
5. Wade
6. Melville
7. Navratilova
8. Heldman
9. Masthoff
10. Casals


Lance Tingay
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Morozova
5. Melville
6. Casals
7. Wade
8. Masthoff
9. Heldman
10. Nancy Richey Gunter-US

Rino Tomassi
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. Melville-Reid
6. Morozova
7. Casals
8. Masthoff
9. Richey
10. Heldman


World Tennis (editors)
1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Morozova
5 Melville
6 Casals
7 Wade
8 Heldman
9 Richey
10 Navratilova
= Durr

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1975


According to the 2009 official WTA media guide (page 239), the WTA's 1975 year end rankings were as follows:

1. Chris Evert 15.79 points, 22 tournaments
2. Virginia Wade 11.13 points, 20 tournaments
3. Martina Navratilova 10.97 points, 25 tournaments
4. Billie Jean King 10.02 points, 6 tournaments
5. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 9.74 points, 20 tournaments
6. Margaret Court 8.84 points, 13 tournaments
7. Olga Morozova 6.32 points, 22 tournaments
8. Nancy Richey 6.24 points, 17 tournaments
9. Francoise Durr 6.19 points, 22 tournaments
10. Kerry Melville Reid 6.03 points, 18 tournaments

Bud Collins
1. Chris Evert
2. Billie Jean King
3. Evonne Goolagong
4. Martina Navratilova
5. Virginia Wade
6. Margaret Court
7. Olga Morozova
8. Nancy Richey
9. Francoise Durr
10. Rosie Casals


Chris Evert (World Tennis asked her for a list)
1. Chris Evert
2. Billie Jean King
3. Evonne Goolagong
4. Martina navratilova
5. Virginia Wade
6. Margaret Court
7. Olga Morozova
8. Nancy Richey
9. Francoise Durr
10. Betty Stove

Evert's note read: "P.S. The last 3 were unbelievavbly hard!".

John Barrett
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Navratilova
5. Wade
6. Court
7. Morozova
8. Melville
9. Stove
10. Sawamatsu


World Tennis
1 Evert
2 King
3 Navratilova
4 Goolagong
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1976

Bud Collins
1. Evert
2. Goolagong
3. Wade
4. Navratilova
5. Barker
6. Stove
7. Fromholtz
8. Jausovec
9. Casals
10. Durr


John Barrett
1. Evert
2. Goolagong
3. Wade
4. Barker
5. Casals
6. Navratilova
7. Jausovec
8. Durr
9. Fromholtz
10. Tomanova


World Tennis
1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Casals
5 Navratilova
6 Barker
7 Jausovec
8 Fromholtz
9 Stove
10 Holladay

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1977

Bud Collins
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 Barker
5 King
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Casals
9 Reid
10 Fromholtz

John Barrett-Financial Times
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 King
4 Stove
5 Navratilova
6 Barker
7 Turnbull
8 Casals
9 Jausovec
10 Reid

Judith Elian, L'Equipe, Paris
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 King
4 Navratilova
5 Stove
6 Barker
7 Turnbull
8 Reid
9 Casals
10 Jausovec


Lance Tingay-World of Tennis
1. Evert
2. Wade
3. King
4. Navratilova
5. Barker
6. Reid
7. Turnbull
8. Casals
9. Stove
10. Jausovec

Peter Bodo, Tennis Magazine, USA
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 King
5 Barker
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Fromholtz
9 Casals
10 Reid

Rino Tommasi of Tennis Club, Rome
1 Evert
2 Navratilova
3 King
4 Barker
5 Wade
6 Casals
7 Reid
8 Stove
9 Jausocec
10 Turnbull

*Note: This is from a panel ranking Rino submitted to Tennis USA. He also had another list (in Wolrd of Tennis) where he has Tracy Austin at #7!

Wataru Tsukagoshi of Tennis Magazine of Japan, Tokyo
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Stove
4 Navratilova
5 Barker
6 Turnbull
7 King
8 Jausovec
9 Reid
10 Fromholtz

WTA Computer Rankings (as of Dec 17, 1977)
1 Evert
2 Navratilova
3 King
4 Barker
5 Wade
6 Casals
7 Stove
8 Fromholtz
9 Reid
10 Turnbull


World Tennis
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 Barker
5 King
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Casals
9 Reid
10 Fromholtz

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1978

Bud Collins
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. King
6. Austin
7. Shriver
8. Ruzici
9. Turnbull
10. Reid

Joe McCauley of Tennis Australia
1. Evert
2. Navratilova
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. King
6. [Stove]
7. Turnbull
8. Austin
9. [Ruzici]
10. Reid


*Unsure about positions 6 and 9

John Barrett
1. Evert
2. Navratilova
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. Turnbull
6. Ruzici
7. King
8. Austin
= Shriver
10. Jausovec


World Tennis
1 Evert
2 Navratilova
3 Goolagong
4 Wade
5 King
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Austin
9 Ruzici
10 Shriver

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1979

Alan Trengrove, Tennis Magazine, Australia
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Austin
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Fromholtz
7. Turnbull
8. Wade
9. Reid
10. Stevens

Bud Collins
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Turnbull
7. Fromholtz
8. Reid
9. Wade
10. Marsikova

Jeffrey Bairstow Tennis magazine, USA
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Turnbull
7. Fromholtz
8. Reid
9. Wade
10. Jordan


John Barrett Financial Times of London
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Fromholtz
7. Wade
8. Turnbull
9. Melville
10. Ruzici

Joe Mccauley of Tennis Australia
1. Martina Navratilova
2. Tracy Austin
3. Chris Lloyd
4. Evonne Cawley
5. Billie Jean King
6. Dianne Fromholtz
7. Wendy Turnbull
8. Virginia Wade
9. Kerry Reid
10. Sue Barker

Judith Elian, L'Equipe, Paris
1. Evert
2. Navratilova
3. Austin
4. Goolagong
5. Wade
6. King
7. Reid
8. Turnbull
9. Fromholtz
10. Marsikova

Peter Bodo Tennis Magazine, USA
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. Turnbull
6. Fromholtz
7. King
8. Wade
9. Reid
10. Jordan

Rino Tommasi, Tennis Club, Rome
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Austin
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Fromholtz
7. Turnbull
8. Jordan
9. Wade
10. Reid

Wataru Tsukagoshi, Tennis Magazine of Japan, Tokyo
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. King
5. Goolagong
6. Fromholtz
7. Wade
8. Turnbull
9. Jordan
10. Reid


World Tennis
1 Navratilova
2 Austin
3 Evert Lloyd
4 Goolagong
5 Turnbull
6 Fromholtz
7 King
8 Wade
9 Barker
10 Ruzici

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1980

John Barrett
1. Evert
2. Austin
3. Navratilova
4. Goolagong
5. Mandlikova
6. Jaeger
7. Turnbull
8. Ruzici
9. Fromholtz
10. Shriver


World Tennis
1 Lloyd
2 Austin
3 Navratilova
4 Goolagong
5 Mandlikova
6 Jaegar
7 King
8 Turnbull
9 Ruzici
10 Shriver

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1981

Alan Trengrove, Tennis Magazine, Australia
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Tracy Austin
4. Hana Mandlikova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8. Wendy Turnbull
8, Virginia Ruzici
10. Sue Barker


Alexander McNab, Tennis Magazine, USA.
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Tracy Austin
4. Hana Mandlikova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8, Virginia Ruzici
9. Wendy Turnbull
10. Mima Jausovec

John Barrett, The Financial Times, London
1. Austin
= Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Navratilova
5. Jaeger
6. Turnbull
7. Shriver
8. Ruzici
9. Hanika
10. Jausovec

Judith Elian-L'Equipe, Paris
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Hana Mandlikova
3. Treacy Austin
4. Martina Navratilova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8. Mima Jausovec
9. Virginia Ruzici
10. (tie) B. Bunge, Regina Marsikova


Peter Bodo, Tennis Magazine, USA.
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Tracy Austin
4. Hana Mandlikova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8, Virginia Ruzici
9. Wendy Turnbull
10. Mima Jausovec

Rimo Tomasi, Tennis Club, Rome.
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Tracy Austin
3. Hana Mandlikova
4. Martina Navratilova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Sylvia Hanika
7. Pam Shriver
8. Barbara Potter
9. Wendy Turnbull
10. Virginia Ruzici

Waturu Tsukagoshi, Tennis Magazine of Japan, Tokyo
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Tracy Austin
3. Martina Navratilova
4. Andrea Jaeger
5. Hana Mandlikova
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8. Barbara Potter
9. Mima Jausovec
10. (Tie) Bettina Bunge, Regina Marsikova


World Tennis, USA
1 Lloyd
2 Austin
3 Navratilova
4 Mandlikova
5 Jaegar
6 Shriver
7 Hanika
8 Jausovec
9 Ruzici
10 Potter

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
1982

John Barrett-Financial Times
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Mandlikova
5. Austin
6. Ruzici
7. Bunge
8. Shriver
9. Potter
10 Garrison
= Turnbull

World Tennis (US magazine)
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Mandlikova
5. Shriver
6. Turnbull
7. Potter
8. Bunge
9. Austin
10. Hanika

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1983

John Barrett-Financial Times

1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Durie
5. Shriver
6. Mandlikova
7. Turnbull
8. Hanika
9. Temesvari
10. Potter

Lance Tingays 1983 rankings.

1 Navratilova
2 Evert
3 Jaeger
4 Mandlikova
5 Hanika
6 Shriver
7 Jausovec
8 Temesvari
9 BJ King
10 Durie

World Tennis (USA)
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Shriver
5. Durie
6. Temesvari
7. Hanika
8. Turnbul
9. K. Jordan
10. Mandlikova

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1984

John Barrett-Financial Times-London
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Shriver
5. Bassett
6. Man Maleeva
7. Garrison
8. Jordan
9. Turnbull
10. Kohde-Kilsch

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1985

John Barrett-Finacial Times-London
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Garrison
5. Kohde-Kilsch
6. Sukova
7. Shriver
8. Graf
9. Man Maleeva
10. Rinaldi
= Sabatini

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1986

John Barrett-Financial Times-London
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Graf
4. Sukova
5. Mandlikova
6. Sabatini
7. Shriver
8. Garrison
9. Man Maleeva
10. Rinaldi

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1987

John Barrett-Financial Times-London
1. Graf
2. Navratilova
3. Evert
4. Mandlikova
5. Sabatini
6. Shriver
7. Sukova
8. Kohde-Kilsch
9. Man Maleeva
10. McNeil

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1988

John Barrett-Financial Times-London
1. Graf
2. Sabatini
3. Navratilova
4. Evert
5. Shriver
6. Sukova
7. Zvereva
8. Garrison
9. Man Maleeva
10. Kohde-Kilsch

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:57 PM
1989

John Barrett-Financial Times, London
1. Graf
2. Navratilova
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. sabatini
5. Seles
6. Evert
7. Garrison
8. Sukova
9. Man Maleeva
10. Lindqvist

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1990

John Barrett, The Financial Times, London.
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sabatini
4. Navratilova
5. Fernandez
6. Kat Maleeva
7. Garrison
8. Sanchez-Vicario
9. Man Maleeva
10. Capriati

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1991

John Barrett-The Financial Times , London.
1. Seles
2. Graf
3. Sabatini
4. Navratilova
5. Sanchez-Vicario
6. Fernandez
7. Capriati
8. Novotna
9. Martinez
10. Man Maleeva

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1992

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London.
1. Seles
2. Graf
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Capriati
5. Sabatini
6. Fernandez
7. Man Maleeva
8. Navratilova
9. Martinez
10. Zvereva

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1993

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Navratilova
6. Novotna
7. Sabatini
8. Huber
9. Fernandez
10. Man Maleeva

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1994

John Barrett-The Finacial Times, London
1. Sanchez-Vicario
2. Graf
3. Martinez
4. Pierce
5. Novotna
6. Sabatini
7. Davenport
8. Navratilova
9. Date
10. Zvereva

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1995


John Barrett-The Financial Times, London.
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Pierce
6. Sabatini
7. Date
8. Fernandez
9. Novotna
10. Huber

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:58 PM
1996

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Novotna
6. Huber
7. Davenport
8. Hingis
9. Date
10. Coetzer

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
1997

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London
1. Hingis
2. Novotna
3. Davenport
4. Seles
5. Majoli
6. Pierce
7. Coetzer
8. Sanchez-Vicario
9. Spirlea
10. Fernandez

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
1998

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London
1. Davenport
2. Hingis
3. Novotna
4. Sanchez-Vicario
5. V. Williams
6. Seles
7. Pierce
8. Martinez
9. Graf
10. Tauziat
= Schnyder

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
1999

John Barrett-The Financial Times, London
1. Hingis
2. Davenport
3. S. Williams
4. V. Williams
5. Graf
6. Pierce
7. Seles
8. Tauziat
9. Schett
10. Halard

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
2000

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
2001

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
2002

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
2003

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:59 PM
2004

Rollo
Aug 17th, 2004, 01:00 PM
I added one to 1968. We can also put year-end computer rankings in here. If you want to send rankings you can post them here or send me a PM:)

chris whiteside
Aug 17th, 2004, 02:18 PM
Tennis World Rankings

Began 1953.

1 Connolly
2 Hart
3 Fry
4 Brough
5 duPont
6 Knode
7 Long
8 Fletcher
9 Gibson
10 Mortimer

1954

1 Connolly
2 Hart
3 Fleitz
4 Brough
5 Pratt
6 Fry
7 Breit
8 Hard
9 Mortimer
10 Mottram

1955

1 Hart
2 Brough
3 Fleitz
4 Mortimer
5 Penrose
6 Ward
7 Knode
8 Breit
9 Hard
10 Fry


1956

1 Fry
2 Gibson
3 Mortimer
4 Brough
5 Buxton
6 Bloomer
7 Pratt
8 Kormoczy
9 Knode
10 Long


1957

1 Gibson
2 Brough
3 Knode
4 Bloomer
5 Hard
6 Fageros
7 Truman
8 Haydon
9 Mortimer
10 Long


1958

1 Gibson
2 Fleitz
3 Kormoczy
4 Hard
5 Mortimer
6 Knode
7 Truman
8 Bueno
9 Bloomer
10 Coghlan

the next five in no particular order were : Haydon, Long, Arth, Hopps, Moore.


1959

1 Bueno
2 Truman
3 Fleitz
4 Reynolds
5 Mortimer
6 Hard
7 Haydon
8 Schuurman
9 Ramirez
10 Knode


1960

1 Bueno
2 Hard
3 Haydon
4 Truman
5 Reynolds
6 Kormoczy
7 Mortimer
8 Lehane
9 Hantze
10 Knode

next five but in no particular order: Brasher, Ramirez, Smith, Schuurman and Vukovich.

chris whiteside
Aug 17th, 2004, 02:31 PM
Wallis Myers Myers London Daily Telegraph

I'll put in full names and country since many might not be known to us.

1921

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Mola Mallory US
3 Mary Browne US
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 Kitty McKane England
6 May Sutton Bundy US
7 Irene Peacock ND (Netherlands)?
8 Geraldine Beamish England
9 Eleanor Goss US
10 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US


1922

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Mola Mallory US
3 Helen Wills US
4 Kitty McKane England
5 Geraldine Beamish England
6 Irene Peacock ND
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
9 May Sutton Bundy US
10 Margaret Molesworth Australia


1923

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane England
3 Helen Wills US
4 Geraldine Beamish England
5 Mola Malory US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Didi Vlasto France
9 Leslie Bancroft US (Man's spelling)?
10 Margaret Molesworth Australia

chris whiteside
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:17 PM
That Kaiser list for 1968 was brill, Rollo!! Thanks.

Full Seagram list for 1968.

15 top International Tennis Correspondents from around the world were asked to submit their world rankings for 1968 and the lists were amalgamated.

Panellists included:

Alan Trengove Australian Sun News Pictorial
Joseph McCauley World Tennis Magazine (who suspended their own rankings)
Steve Snider United Press International
Gerald Williams London Daily Mail
Judith Elian L'Equipe - France
George McCann Australian Consolidated Press
Fred Tupper New York Times

1 Billie Jean King 149 points
2 Nancy Richey 118
3 Margaret Court 116
4 Virginia Wade 113
5 Ann Jones 92
6 Judy Tegart 76
7 Maria Bueno 66
8 Annette du Plooy 36
9 Lesley Bowrey 26
10 Rosemary Casals 22

Others who received votes were: Julie Heldman 3pts, Gail Sherriff 3, Kathy Harter 3, Francoise Durr 2 and Peaches Bartkowicz 1.

I think you could say that was a pretty definitive list and would be hard to argue with. Interestingly one person did not give King the No. 1 placing. I wonder who that was? And to whom they gave it?

But what I think it exposes is Lance Tingay's list. Obviously there was a great bunfight for #2 Tingay (and Collins) both gave this to Wade, Tingay because she won Forest Hills but can you ignore a first round defeat at Wimbledon plus other results, at best, no worse than the others in the top 4. If you want to argue that winning the USO makes you No. 2 that's fine but then by the same standard.Karen Susman should be No. 1 in 1962. What really exposes his list is the placing of Bueno at #4 (also Collins with Bueno at #5) - ahead of Court who on average is over 3 places ahead on every panellist's list, Jones over 1.5 places ahead and Tegart only 0.67 ahead on average but showing clear water. This is what makes me very iffy about Tingay's rankings which are now almost regarded as "semi-official".

Other lists for 1968.

Lance Tingay

1 King
2 Wade
3 Richey
4 Bueno
5 Court
6 Jones
7 Tegart
8 Du Plooy
9 Bowrey
10 Casals

Bud Collins

1 King
2 Wade
3 Richey
4 Court
5 Bueno
6 Jones
7 Tegart
8 Bowrey
9 du Plooy
10 Casals

And then the joker in the pack.

Rino Tommasi.

1 King
2 Court
3 Richey
4 Wade
5 Tegart
6 Bowrey
7 du Plooy
8 Jones
9 Bueno
10 Durr

I have looked at the results for that year backwards, upside down, inside out, win-loss percentages any way you like and there is just no explanation for how Bowrey and du Plooy could possibly be ranked ahead of Jones and Bueno.

Someone you know rather unkindly suggested that Tommasi ranked with his thoughts below his belt and quite honestly it's the only explanation which sounds plausible!

Rollo
Aug 18th, 2004, 12:37 PM
I added in those rankings Chris-slowly but surely more will come.


LOL@:lol: your Rino Tomasi aside

chris whiteside
Aug 19th, 2004, 04:31 PM
1924

Wallis Myers London Daily Telegraph

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane England
3 Helen Wills US
4 Mola Mallory US
5 Mary K. Browne US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 Elizabeth Ryan US
8 Phylis Satherthwaite England
9 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
10 Sylvia Lance Australia


1925

1 Suzamme Lenglen France
2 Helen Wills US
3 Kitty McKane England
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 Mola Bjurstecht Mallory US
6 Eleanor Goss US
7 D. Douglass Chambers England
8 Joan Fry England
9 Marguerite Bil;out France
10 Marion Zinderstein Jessup US


1926

1 Suzanne Lenglen France
2 Kitty McKane Godfree England
3 Lili de Alvarez Spain
4 Mola Bjurstecht US
5 Elizabeth Ryan US
6 Mary K. Browne England
7 Joan Fry England
8 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
9 ?
10=Marion Zinderstein Jessup US
Didi Vlasto France

1927

1 Helen Wills US
2 Lili de Alvarez Spain
3 Elizabeth Ryan US
4 Mola Bjurstecht US
5 Kitty Godfree England
6 Betty Nuthall England
7 Bobbie Heine South Africa
8 Joan Fry England
9 Kaa Bouman Netherlands
10 Charlotte Hosmet Chapin US


1928

1 Helen Wills US
2 Lili de Alvarez Spain
3 Daphne Akhurst Australia
4 Eileen Bennett England
5 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
6 Elizabeth Ryan US
7 Cilly Aussem Germany
8 Kaa Bouman Netherlands
9 Helen Jacobs US
10 Esna Boyd Australia


1929

1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
3 Helen Jacobs US
4 Betty Nuthall England
5 Bobbie Heine South Africa
6 S. Passemand Mathieu France
7 Eileen Bennett England
8 Paula von Reznicek Germany
9 Peggy Saunders Michel England
10 Elsie Goldsack England

1930

1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Cilly Aussem Germany
3 Phoebe Holcroft Watson England
4 Elizabeth Ryan US
5 S. Passemand Mathieu France
6 Helen Jacobs US
7 Phylis Mudford England
8 Lili de Alvarez Spain
9 Betty Nuthall England
10 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
2

Rollo
Aug 25th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Added Chris contributions :worship: Chris! and posted two for 1934 with comments.

chris whiteside
Aug 25th, 2004, 04:06 PM
1935

Pierre Gillou-President of the French Federation
1. Helen Wills-Moody (US)
2. Helen Jacobs (US)
3. Hilde Sperling (Denmark)
4. Joan Hartigan (Australia)
5. Simone Mathieu (France)
6. Kay Stammers (GB)
7. Dorothy Round (GB)
8. Sarah Palfrey-Fabyan (US)
9. Ethel Burkhardt-Arnold (US)
10. Jadwiga Jedrejoska (Poland)

Wallis Myers of the Daily Mail
1. H. Wills
2. H. Jacobs
3. Kay Stammers
4. H. Sperling
5. Palfrey-Fabyan
6. D. Round
7. Mrs. Arnold
8. Mathieu
9. J. Hartigan
10. Peggy Scriven (GB)

A comment or two from Lawn Tennis and Badminton, a British publication. "The value of such lists has often been doubted in some quarters, and there can be no denying that they raise controversy." ...."suggestions have been made from time to time that the International Tennis Federation should issue an official "World" list."

Hughes points out some difficulties in a women's list. Hilde Sperling did not an entire set all year outside of Wimbledon-her lone loss being to Helen Jacobs at the Championships-yet she ranks no higher than 4th on Myer's list. He asks. "is it fair in drawing up a world classification to attacj too much weight to the Wimbledon and American results."

Hughes proposed solution is two lists: one for grass and one for hard [clay] courts.


Sounds to me like the same debate for 1964 and 87.

chris whiteside
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:10 PM
1966

Bruce Walkley Melbourne Herald Sun Australia.

P.S. This list IS genuine!!

1 Bueno
2 Richey
3 Court
4 King
5 Jones
6 van Zyl
7 Durr
8 Graebner
9 Melville
10 Casals

British Lawn Tennis Readers' Poll

1957

1 Gibson
2 Hard
3 Bloomer
4 Brough
5 Knode
6 Haydon
7 Puzejova
8 Truman
9 Ramirez
10 Kormoczy


1958

1 Gibson
2 Fleitz
3 Kormoczy
4 Hard
5 Mortimer
6 Truman
7 Bloomer
8 Bueno
9 Haydon
10 Knode


1959

1 Bueno
2 Truman
3 Fleitz
4 Hard
5 Mortimer
6 Reynolds
7 Haydon
8 Ramirez
9 Moore
10 Kormoczy


1960

Strangely, asked readers for lists gave results for men but not women.


1961

1 Mortimer
2 Hard
3 Haydon
4 Smith
5 Reynolds
6 Truman
7 Ramirez
8 Hantze
9 Kormoczy
10 Schuurman


1962

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Hantze
5 Schuurman
6 Haydon
7 Sukova
8 Reynolds
9 Turner
10 Mortimer (?)


1963

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Jones
6 Hard
7 Lehane
8 Schuurman
9 Truman
10 Sukova

AndrewTas
Aug 26th, 2004, 07:46 AM
1931-1938
A Wallis Myers Rankings taken from Dunlop Lawn Tennis almanack 1939

1931
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Cilly Aussem Germany
3 Mrs Whittingstall (England)
4 Helen Jacobs US
5 Betty Nuthall England
6 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
7 S. Passemand Mathieu France
8 Lili de Alvarez Spain
9 Phylis Mudford England
10 Mrs Pittman England

1932
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 S. Passemand Mathieu France
4 L Payot Switzerland
5 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
6 M Helley England
7 Mrs Whittingstall (England)
8 Frl Horn Germany
9 K Stammers England
10 Mlle Sigart France

1933
1 Helen Wills Moody US
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 D. Round Britain
4 Hilde Krahwinkel Germany
5 MC Scriven England
6 S. Passemand Mathieu France
7 S Palfrey USA
8 Betty Nuthall England
9 L Payot Switzerland
10 A Marble USA

1934
1 D. Round
2 Helen Jacobs US
3 H. Sperling Germany
4 S Palfrey USA
5 MC Scriven England
6 S. Passemand Mathieu France
7 L Payot Switzerland
8 Joan Hartigan Australia
9 Frl Aussem Germany
10 C Babcock USA

1936
1. H. Jacobs
2. H. Sperling Germany
3. D. Round Britain
4. A Marble
5. S Mathieu France
6. J Jedrzejowska
7. K Stammers Britain
8. A Lizana Chile
9. Fabyan
10. C Babcock

1937
1. A Lizana
2. Mrs Little
3. J Jedrzejowska
4. Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. H. Jacobs
7. A Marble
8. M Horn
9. RM Hardwick
10. DM Bundy

1938
1. F Moody
2. H. Jacobs
3. A Marble
4. S Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. J Jedrzejowska
7. Fabyan
8. Mrs Miller (South Africa)
9. K Stammers
10. N Wynne

Sir Gordon Lowes 1939 rankings from Lawn Tennis Almanack 1946
1939
1. A Marble
2. K Stammers
3. H. Jacobs
4. S Sperling
5. S Mathieu
6. Fabyan
7. J Jedrzejowska
8. RM Hardwick
9. VE Scott
10. Virginia Wolfenden

Pierre Gillou
1946
1. P Betz
2. ME Osborne
3. AL Brough
4. DJ Hart
5. PC Todd
6. D Bundy
7. N Landry
8. Mrs M Menzies
9. S Fry
10. F Kovacs

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack 1948
1947
1. ME Osborne
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. NW Bolton
5. PC Todd
6. SP Summers
7. EWA Bostock
8. B Krase
9. BE Hilton
10. M Rurac

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack 1949
1948
1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. NW Bolton
5. PC Todd
6. EWA Bostock
7. SP Summers
8. S Fry
9. M Rurac
10. N Landry

Pierre Gillou
1949
1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. PC Todd
5. BE Hilton
6. Mrs Moran
7. Mrs Pastall Perez
8. S Fry
9. Beverly Baker Beckett
10. Mrs Walker Smith

Edward C Potter
1949
1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. Mrs Pastall Perez
5. PC Todd
6. S Fry
7. Mrs Moran
8. Beverly Baker Beckett
9. Miss D Head
10. BE Hilton

John Olliff from Lawn Tennis Almanack 1951
1950
1. ME Osborne du Pont
2. AL Brough
3. DJ Hart
4. PC Todd
5. B Scofield
6. N Chaffee
7. Beverly Baker
8. S Fry
9. A Bossi
10. H Weiss

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
1951
1. DJ Hart
2. M Connolly
3. S Fry
4. NC Kiner
5. Walker Smith England
6. J Quertier England
7. AL Brough
8. J Fleitz
9. PC Todd
10. J Maule England

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
Lance Tingay
1952
1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. AL Brough
4. S Fry
5. PC Todd
6. NC Kiner
7. TC Long Australia
8. Walker Smith England
9. I Rinkel Quertier England
10. D Knode

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
Lance Tingay
1953
1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. AL Brough
4. S Fry
5. W Du Pont
6. D Knode
7. S Kormoczy Hungary
8. A Mortimer England
9. H Fletcher England
10. I Rinkel Quertier England

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
Lance Tingay
1954
1. M Connolly
2. DJ Hart
3. B Fleitz
4. AL Brough
5. W Du Pont
6. S Fry
7. S Pratt Jamaica
8. H Fletcher England
9. A Mortimer England
10. TC Long Australia

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
Lance Tingay
1955
1. AL Brough
2. DJ Hart
3. B Fleitz
4. A Mortimer England
5. D Knode
6. B Breit
7. D Hard
8. B Penrose Australia
9. PE Ward England
=10. S Kormoczy Hungary
=10. S Fry

From USLTA official Encyclopedia of Tennis
Lance Tingay
1956
1. S Fry
2. A Gibson
3. AL Brough
4. A Mortimer England
5. S Kormoczy Hungary
6. A Buxton England
7. S Bloomer England
8. PE Ward England
9. S Pratt Jamaica
=10. W Du Pont
=10. D Hard



Lance Tingay

1959
1. Maria Bueno-Brazil
2. Christine Truman-GB
3. Darlene Hard-US
4. Beverly Fleitz-US
5. S Reynolds
6. Angela Mortimer-GB
7. Ann Haydon-GB
8. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
9. S Moore
10. Y Ramirez

Edward C Potter

1959
1. Maria Bueno-Brazil
2. Christine Truman-GB
3. Beverly Fleitz-US
4. S Reynolds
5. Angela Mortimer-GB
6. Darlene Hard-US
7. Ann Haydon-GB
8. R Schuurman
9. Y Ramirez
10. D Knode


Lance Tingay

1960
1. Maria Bueno-Brazil
2. Darlene Hard-US
3. S Reynolds
4. Christine Truman-GB
5. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
6. Ann Haydon-GB
7. Angela Mortimer-GB
8. J Lehane -AUS
9. Y Ramirez
10. R Schuurman

Edward C Potter
1960
1. Maria Bueno-Brazil
2. Darlene Hard-US
3. Ann Haydon-GB
4. Christine Truman-GB
5. S Reynolds
6. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
7. Angela Mortimer-GB
8. J Lehane -AUS
9. K Hantze
10. D Knode

Lance Tingay

1961
1. Angela Mortimer-GB
2. Darlene Hard-US
3. Ann Haydon-GB
4. M Smith -Australia
5. S Reynolds South Africa
6. Y Ramirez Mexico
7. Christine Truman-GB
8. Suzy Kormoczy-Hungary
9. R Schuurman South Africa
10. K Hantze USA


Edward C Potter
1961
1. Angela Mortimer-GB
2. M Smith -Australia
3. Ann Haydon-GB
4. Christine Truman-GB
5. Darlene Hard-US
6. K Hantze USA
7. S Reynolds South Africa
8. Y Ramirez Mexico
9. E Buding
10. L Turner

Lance Tingay

1962
1. M Smith -Australia
2. Maria Bueno-Brazil
3. Darlene Hard-US
4. J Susman USA
5. V Sukova Czechoslovakia
6. L Price South Africa
7. L Turner Australia
8. Ann Haydon-GB
9. R Schuurman South Africa
10.Angela Mortimer-GB


Lance Tingay

1963
1. M Smith -Australia
2. L Turner Australia
3. Maria Bueno-Brazil
4. BJ Moffitt USA
5. A Jones UK
6. Darlene Hard-US
7. J Lehane -AUS
8. R Schuurman South Africa
9. N Richey USA
10.V Sukova Czechoslovakia

Lance Tingay

1964
1. M Smith -Australia
2. Maria Bueno-Brazil
3. L Turner Australia
4. C Graebner USA
5. H Schultze Germany
6. N Richey USA
7. BJ Moffitt USA
8. J Susman US
9. R Ebbern Australia
10.J Lehane -AUS

Lance Tingay

1965
1. M Smith -Australia
2. Maria Bueno-Brazil
3.
4. BJ Moffitt USA
5. A Jones UK
6. A van Zyl S Africa
7. C Truman
8. N Richey USA
9. C Graebner USA
10. F Durr France

Lance Tingay

1966
1. BJ Moffitt USA
2. M Smith -Australia
3. Maria Bueno-Brazil
4. A Jones UK
5. N Richey USA
6. A van Zyl S Africa
7. N Baylon Argentina
8. F Durr France
9. R Casals USA
10. K Melville Australia

Lance Tingay

1967
1. BJ Moffitt USA
2. A Jones UK
3. F Durr France
4. N Richey USA
5. L Turner Australia
6. R Casals USA
7. Maria Bueno-Brazil
8. V Wade UK
9. K Melville Australia
10. J Tegart Australia

World Tennis
1967
1. BJ Moffitt USA
2. A Jones UK
3. F Durr France
4. L Turner Australia
5. N Richey USA
6. R Casals USA
7. Maria Bueno-Brazil
8. V Wade UK
9. K Melville Australia
10. J Tegart Australia

chris whiteside
Aug 26th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Interesting that the lists in Total tennis purporting to be those of John Oliff for 1939 and 1946 are exactly the same as Sir Gordon Lowes' and Pierre Gillou's respectively.

Edward (Ned) C. Potter = World Tennis.


1949

John Oliff

1 M. Osbourne duPont
2 L. Brough
3 D. Hart
4 N. Wynne Bolton
5 P. Canning Todd
6 B. Hilton
7 S. Piercey summers
8 A. Ulstein Bossi
9 J. Curry
10 J. Walker-Smith

Lance Tingay

1957

1 Gibson
2 Hard
3 Bloomer
4 Brough
5 Knode
6 Puzejova
7 Haydon
8 Ramirwz
9 Truman
10 Osbourne duPont

Lance Tingay
1958

1 Gibson
2 Kormoczy
3 Baker Fleitz
4 Hard
5 Bloomer
6 Truman
7 Mortimer
8 Haydon
9 Bueno
10 Knode


Edward C. Potter (Tennis World)

1961

Insufficient Data. M. Bueno

1962

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Susman
5 Schuurman
6 Haydon
7 Sukova
8 Reynolds
9 Caldwell
10 Moffitt


1963

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Hard
5 Moffitt
6 Jones
7 Lehane
8 Sukova
9 Schuurman
10 Ebbern

1964 Interestingly goes for Bueno over Court.

1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Richey
5 Moffitt
6 Graebner
7 Susman
8 Lehane
9 Hanks
10 Jones

Joseph McCauley (World Tennis)

1965

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Richey
4 King
5 Turner
6 van Zyl
7 Truman
8 Jones
9 Graebner
10 Durr

1966

1 King
2 Bueno
3 Jones
4 Smith
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Casals
8 Baylon
9 Wade
10 Durr



1969

1 Court
2 Jones
3 King
4 Richey
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Wade
9 Tegart
10 Bartkowicz

1970

1 Court
2 King
3 Casals
4 Wade
5 Masthoff
6 Melville
7 Heldman
8 Krantzcke
9 Durr
10 Richey

Insufficient Data. A. Jones

1971

1 Goolagomg
2 King
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Wade
6 Durr
7 Masthoff
8 Melville-Reid
9 Richey
10 Dalton

1972

now compiled for World Tennis by Neil Amdur

1 King
2 Richey
3 Evert
4 Goolagong
5 Court
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Overton
= Morozova

1973

1 Court
2 Evert
3 King
4 Goolagong
5 Melville
6 Wade
7 Casals
8 Morozova
9 Richey
10 Durr

Editors of World Tennis

1974

1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Morozova
5 Melville
6 Casals
7 Wade
8 Heldman
9 Richey
10 Navratilova
= Durr

1975

1 Evert
2 King
3 Navratilova
4 Goolagong
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

1976

1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Casals
5 Navratilova
6 Barker
7 Jausovec
8 Fromholtz
9 Stove
10 Holladay

British Lawn Tennis Reder's Poll

they went with Potter over Tingay for Bueno

1964

1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Richey
6 Susman
7 Graebner
8 Jones
9 Ebbern
10 Lehane

1965

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 King
4 Bueno
5 Jones
6 Richey
7 van Zyl
8 Truman
9 Graebner
10 Durr

1966

Interesting in that they went aagainst both World Tennis and Tingay

1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 King
4 Jones
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Durr
8 Baylon
9 Casals
10 Wade

1967

1 King
2 Jones
3 Durr
4 Richey
5 Turner
6 Casals
7 Bueno
8 Wade
9 Tegart
10 Melville

Abandoned with start of open era.



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Andy T
Aug 26th, 2004, 02:12 PM
"1972

now compiled for World Tennis by Neil Amdur

1 King
2 Richey
3 Evert
4 Goolagong
5 Court
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Overton
= Morozova"

:confused:

Off the Wall

This ranking seems highly political to me and probably contains more than a smidgeon of favouritism as well. I don't have my stats beside me but
it seems clear that this is all about sending the message that the slims tour is "THE" tour in women's tennis. Non slims players Goolagong and Wade deserve to be ranked higher, imo, Goolagong at #2 and Wade ahead of Casals at least and maybe Melville. I can't see what Richey did (except beat Chrissie) to be ranked quite so high either. I'd love to read the "rationale" behind this listing.

chris whiteside
Aug 26th, 2004, 06:58 PM
"1972

now compiled for World Tennis by Neil Amdur

1 King
2 Richey
3 Evert
4 Goolagong
5 Court
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Overton
= Morozova"

:confused:

Off the Wall

This ranking seems highly political to me and probably contains more than a smidgeon of favouritism as well. I don't have my stats beside me but
it seems clear that this is all about sending the message that the slims tour is "THE" tour in women's tennis. Non slims players Goolagong and Wade deserve to be ranked higher, imo, Goolagong at #2 and Wade ahead of Casals at least and maybe Melville. I can't see what Richey did (except beat Chrissie) to be ranked quite so high either. I'd love to read the "rationale" behind this listing.

Tingay had Richey at #3 which is pretty similar. Amdur did say that you could make make a case for any one of the players from 2 to 6 for the #2 slot.

A snippet from Angela Mortimer which maybe illustrates national bias in rankings. When contacted to be told she was ranked #1 in Britain for 1961 she said "I did not know it was coming out. I would have put Ann ahead of Christine. I was more interested in the world ranking actually. I usually go by Lance Tingay's and Potter's. I know they're not official but I feel if they both get the same person #1 that is good enough". When then told she was #1 with Ned Potter Angela continued " That's fine. It's difficult to get to the top of the American one. Unless you play over there they never seem to appreciate anything you do".

Andy, whenever I get time I'll post the resume of the 1972 rankings.

Andy T
Aug 27th, 2004, 08:59 AM
What follows is not a set of rankings but a set of stats from the slims tour in 72. I took the points totals and divided them by the number of tournaments played. There was no minimum divisor, all players listed having played 4 or more (out of 21) tournaments except Burton and Truman (3) and Goolagong, who only played Dallas. Morozova and Chanfreau did not play any VS tournaments and are therefore absent. In parentheses are the rankings in terms of points totals only ( which was the system used by the slims tour itself). The tour included only US events and none of the majors. The points allocation system used was:
Winner: 10
Finalist: 7
Losing SF: 5
Losing QF: 3
Losing last 16: 1

1 Chris Evert (7)
2 Billie Jean King (1)
3 Margaret Court (9)
4 Nancy Richey (3)
5 Evonne Goolagong (-)
6 Rosie Casals (2)
7 Virginia Wade (14=)
8 Kerry Melville (4)
9 Françoise Durr (5)
10 Wendy Overton (6)
-------------
11 Judy Tegart-Dalton (8)
12 Julie Heldman (10=), Veronica Burton (-), Nell Truman (-)
15 Jeanne Evert (-)
16 Helen Gourlay (14=)
17 Val Ziegenfuss (12)
18 Karen Krantzcke (10=)
19 Lesley Hunt (13)
20 Kristy Pigeon (-)

- Betty Stove (16)
- Corinne Molesworth (17)
- Maria Neumannova (18)
- Mona Schallau & Kerry Harris (19)

Chris, I found the issue of World Tennis which gives these rankings and the resumé (bless you alfajeffster) and was fascinated to read that Amdur considered Richey, Evert, Goolagong, Melville and Court for that second spot. Richey's consistency and performances against King and Evert are what clinches it for him. He contrasts this with Evonne's erratic form and failure to challenge the King supremacy. The guy's tennis values are clearly much more in the Evert-Richey camp of consistency. Fair enough.

Applying the same procedure to the International Grand Prix, which contained 30 tournaments (including 15 of the 21 slims events, plus the South African, Italian German, French, Wimbledon and US Opens amongst others but excluding all the Australian circuit results and the slims championships), the order is quite different. I used a minimum divisor of 6 and the points total position is again in parentheses).

1 King (1)
2 Goolagong (2)
3 Court (6)
4 Evert (8)
5 Richey (4)
6 Masthoff (13)
7 Casals (3)
8 Wade (9)
9 Melville (5)
10 Durr (7)
11 Tuero (15)
12 Walkden (14)
13 Ziegenfuss (12)
14 Hunt (10)
15 Overton (11)

chris whiteside
Aug 27th, 2004, 12:01 PM
What follows is not a set of rankings but a set of stats from the slims tour in 72. I took the points totals and divided them by the number of tournaments played. There was no minimum divisor, all players listed having played 4 or more (out of 21) tournaments except Burton and Truman (3) and Goolagong, who only played Dallas. Morozova and Chanfreau did not play any VS tournaments and are therefore absent. In parentheses are the rankings in terms of points totals only ( which was the system used by the slims tour itself). The tour included only US events and none of the majors. The points allocation system used was:
Winner: 10
Finalist: 7
Losing SF: 5
Losing QF: 3
Losing last 16: 1

1 Chris Evert (7)
2 Billie Jean King (1)
3 Margaret Court (9)
4 Nancy Richey (3)
5 Evonne Goolagong (-)
6 Rosie Casals (2)
7 Virginia Wade (14=)
8 Kerry Melville (4)
9 Françoise Durr (5)
10 Wendy Overton (6)
-------------
11 Judy Tegart-Dalton (8)
12 Julie Heldman (10=), Veronica Burton (-), Nell Truman (-)
15 Jeanne Evert (-)
16 Helen Gourlay (14=)
17 Val Ziegenfuss (12)
18 Karen Krantzcke (10=)
19 Lesley Hunt (13)
20 Kristy Pigeon (-)

- Betty Stove (16)
- Corinne Molesworth (17)
- Maria Neumannova (18)
- Mona Schallau & Kerry Harris (19)

Chris, I found the issue of World Tennis which gives these rankings and the resumé (bless you alfajeffster) and was fascinated to read that Amdur considered Richey, Evert, Goolagong, Melville and Court for that second spot. Richey's consistency and performances against King and Evert are what clinches it for him. He contrasts this with Evonne's erratic form and failure to challenge the King supremacy. The guy's tennis values are clearly much more in the Evert-Richey camp of consistency. Fair enough.

Applying the same procedure to the International Grand Prix, which contained 30 tournaments (including 15 of the 21 slims events, plus the South African, Italian German, French, Wimbledon and US Opens amongst others but excluding all the Australian circuit results and the slims championships), the order is quite different. I used a minimum divisor of 6 and the points total position is again in parentheses).

1 King (1)
2 Goolagong (2)
3 Court (6)
4 Evert (8)
5 Richey (4)
6 Masthoff (13)
7 Casals (3)
8 Wade (9)
9 Melville (5)
10 Durr (7)
11 Tuero (15)
12 Walkden (14)
13 Ziegenfuss (12)
14 Hunt (10)
15 Overton (11)

Someone up there must be smiling down on me today, Andy. I had sat down with my issue of World Tennis to copy the article for you and it was going to take 4 or 5 instalments but fortunately I saw your most recent post! Phew!
So what are you going with then? The IGF calculations? Interesting that despite your first impressions Wade finishes below Casals in both your lists. The top 5 are the same in all the lists although a different order and while you might not agree with Amdur his reasoning is valid enough. That's why personal ranking lists are so much more fun than computers.

Just out of my era but I am going to sit down with what data I have and see what my own ranking would be.

Andy T
Aug 27th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Someone up there must be smiling down on me today, Andy. I had sat down with my issue of World Tennis to copy the article for you and it was going to take 4 or 5 instalments but fortunately I saw your most recent post! Phew!
So what are you going with then? The IGF calculations? Interesting that despite your first impressions Wade finishes below Casals in both your lists. The top 5 are the same in all the lists although a different order and while you might not agree with Amdur his reasoning is valid enough. That's why personal ranking lists are so much more fun than computers.

Just out of my era but I am going to sit down with what data I have and see what my own ranking would be.
:lol: I nearly emailed you to say for heaven's sake don't type it up - it's so long.
As you say, we all have certain preferences regarding players, playing styles and how to balance consistency vs peaks and lows and having read Amdur's explanations I can see his point.

I ain't going with either list above because neither is comprehensive in its coverage. I'll do the same as you and get back to you.... à suivre.....

chris whiteside
Aug 30th, 2004, 10:21 AM
Tingay had Richey at #3 which is pretty similar. Amdur did say that you could make make a case for any one of the players from 2 to 6 for the #2 slot.

Apologies this is incorrect. Tingay had Nancy Richey at #8. I forgot the listings in Total Tennis had switched from Tingay to Collins in 1968.

chris whiteside
Aug 30th, 2004, 11:28 AM
"1972

now compiled for World Tennis by Neil Amdur

1 King
2 Richey
3 Evert
4 Goolagong
5 Court
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Overton
= Morozova"

:confused:

Off the Wall

This ranking seems highly political to me and probably contains more than a smidgeon of favouritism as well. I don't have my stats beside me but
it seems clear that this is all about sending the message that the slims tour is "THE" tour in women's tennis. Non slims players Goolagong and Wade deserve to be ranked higher, imo, Goolagong at #2 and Wade ahead of Casals at least and maybe Melville. I can't see what Richey did (except beat Chrissie) to be ranked quite so high either. I'd love to read the "rationale" behind this listing.


No year is ever easy to compile world rankings for and 1972 has the added difficulty in that there were two circuits on the go. So perhaps it is the results in which they came together which count for the most.

I don't think there can be much doubt that the Slims circuit had much the stronger players but they were missing Goolagong and Wade although Wade did play half-a-dozen tournaments or so at the start of the season before going to the other circuit which in the main consisted of Masthoff, Tuero, Chanfreau, Morozova, Hunt etc. Most of the players competed in around 25 tournaments. Evert because of her schooling only played 12 but she managed most of the big ones and there was also the complication of Margaret Court only returning to the circuit after Wimbledon which meant she only competed for 4 months and in 1 Slam but there is just about enough in her record to be able to assess her.

There are some significant differences between who were considered the two top rankers in the world, namely Lance Tingay and World Tennis and Bud Collins was different again so there was much divergence. In the end unless you stick hard and fast to statistics any list can only be a judgement call. I think sometimes certain compilers (not all) were prey to the ice-skating syndrome in that you could see certain obvious mistakes which meant compulsory reductions yet when the marks came up the scores given were literally "impossible" - they were being judged on reputation. Some fell into this trap perhaps with Court in 66 and Bueno in 68. You might know that on form Margaret e.g. is the best player in the world but it is vital that the ranking for that year is based solely on the results achieved within the period of assessment.

It was interesting to see the grading of many tournaments in the CU Grand Prix. The Australian tournaments weren't included at all which in the overall standings disadvantaged some players, although in terms of world ranking they didn't make much difference. The South African which was little more than an exhibition for Goolagong and Wade was graded "A" while one such as Dallas with Goolagong, King, Gunter, Evert, Durr, Melville and Casals was a "B". The German Champs (Masthoff, Tuero) which more than most suffered post 68 was a "B" the same as Dallas and ahead of the Italian "C" with Wade, Morozova and Hunt in addition to Masthoff and Tuero. Obviously the points available for these events are out of line relative to the strength of the fields which is another disadvantage of a statisical system. Of course as Andy says this is an insurmountable problem when the status has to be pre-determined.

This would be my list:

1 King
2 Evert
3 Goolagong
4 Court
5 Richey
6 Melville
7 Casals
8 Wade
9 Durr
10 Morozova

At this point may I just say a special word of thanks to AndyT :worship: for his forbearance and co-operation in supplying some data I was missing and answering many queries I had.

I don't think anyone is going to quarrel with BJK as No.1. Champion of France, Wimbledon and the US plus the leader on the Slims circuit. Obviously the weekly nature of the tour meant she was playing more than she normally would - 27 tournaments. However she was by no means invulnerable losing 15 matches - including 3 each to Gunter, Evert and Durr. This is an unusually large number for the world #1. Her record of 9 wins and 7 runner up spots in 24 tournaments might be statistically bettered by others but she won the 3 big ones when all the players came together, the only player who had an h2h advantage over her was Evert 3-1 and her victories came on clay. Frankie Durr also raised her game against Bj and finished 3-3.

It seemed pretty obvious that Evonne Goolagong was the #2, South African Champion and runner up in Australia, France and Wimbledon. But then as you look more closely cracks begin to appear in that theory. The Australian and South African prestigious though they may be were in effect little more than exhibitions for Goolagong and Wade. Defeats for either of them in the seriously weak fields before the final would have been disastrous. Wade won the Slam title in Australia (my views regarding the fields in SOME of the years are well documented) and Goolagong the SA but IMO while they cannot be ignored there are many more significant events in relation to the wotld rankings. Evonne did well in defending her French and Wimbledon crowns only losing the finals to BJK and beat Chris Evert in the Wimbledon semi but she flopped at Forest Hills. Having said that she was actually ahead of BJK on numbers in the other tournaments losing 11 times in 24 events winning 13 titles sharing one other and reaching 7 other finals but then again you have to consider the strength of all those Australian events in late 71/early 72.

She is also down on h2hs against King, Evert and Court and only level with Melville and Casals. So, I ask, is she #2?

How does Chris Evert's record stand up?

After Andy's brilliant post I see no need to go into the records but just give my reasons for my relative placings.

In a short space of time Chris achieved much winning the US Clay courts, the Slims final at Boca Raton which has to be regarded as the fourth biggest tournament of the year and also reaching the semis at both Wimbledon and Forest Hills on grass. Amdur in WT states that her 0-3 record against her nullifies any chance of ranking Chris above Nancy Richey. This is rubbish. There are many precedents such as Jones over King in 1969 on a 1-3 record or Goolagong over Court in 1971 despite being 2-6. In tennis player A usually beats player B who in turn generally beats player C, therefore..... As we all know it doesn't always follow. Player C's game happens to dovetail nicely into Player A's........ Apart from Nancy, Evert had winning h2hs over every other player. I appreciate those over BJK were on all on clay but she reached the semis in the two biggest grass court tournaments.

It's just a personal opinion but I place quite a bit of store on "bad" defeats and also the strength of the field in tournaments won. I would have loved to place Evert and Goolagong #2= but I don't cop out and after much deliberation I like Chris' all round performance better.

Margaret was a problem in that she only palyed for 4 months and 10 tournaments but she achieved much in this time and it was possible to assess her I don't agree with P/F that her spell on the tour means a lower ranking. I believe it is her performance relative to that of the other players. It is unfortunate for her that she had to withdraw at Boca when leading 5-2 final set. Although she had losing h2hs against King and Evert she also had wins over them was 1-1 with Wade and had plus records against all other players (except her withdrawal against J. Evert) including Gunter, Goolagong, Casals and Durr and she was always in the semis or finals winning 5 tournaments in her four and a half months. Semis at Forest Hills losing to BJK.

Nancy, of course was No.2 on the Slims tour but her performances in the biggest event hurt her. She reached her "protected" quarter at Wimbledon then lost to Casals, was beaten early at the USO and what really killed off her clain for ahigher ranking was her defeat to Stove early at Boca.

Melville, Casals and Wade were all pretty close. Melville had the prestige of finals at Forest Hills and Boca but a relatively weak record elsewhere but she had few "bad" defeats. Many of her losses were to players who would just have been outside the top 10. Rosie Casals reached the Wimbledon semis and US quarters and didn't have the usual number of bad losses. Virginia was her usual unpredicable self, brilliant in beating Evonne in Australia and losing to players who would hardly have been heard of. They were all so close together that in the end I went with their h2hs. Kerry was 4-3 on Casals and 2-0 on Wade and Casals was 2-1 on Wade.

Frankie Durr had wins against Goolagong, Wade and Casals and a splendid 3-3 record against Billie Jean and was a perennial quarter finallist. It always took a good player to beat her. She slotted easily into #9.

#10 was a question of you pays your money and you takes your choice. Heldman, Hunt, Morozova, Tuero.

Andy T
Aug 31st, 2004, 10:20 AM
Your comments on the "tiers" on the CU GP throw up a recurring problem regarding the "merits" of victories in big/rich tournaments with weak entries and smaller tournaments with strong entries. The problem seems unavoidable in a system where the category of an event is determined before the entry list is established. Some conssideration has to be given to the opponents faced and beaten along the way, as well. There's also the conundrum of the prestige factor: certain titles carry more weight because of the status the event has in the perception of the general public. Two tournaments with the same category designation and the same prize money are not necessarily perceived as equal by the general public. To use modern day examples, there are Moscow and Toronto - or San Diego and Rome.

Rollo
Aug 31st, 2004, 01:18 PM
I updated a lot today (up to the obnoxious smiley faces) and will try and complete it tomorrow.


Thanks to everyone for their contributions-it will be some list!

BTW-if it's OK I'll also include player lists. Somewhere I have Suzanne Lenglen's list for 1921, and in 1975 World Tennis asked Chris Evert for a top ten list.

Andy T
Aug 31st, 2004, 10:00 PM
Having reacted a bit instinctively in disputing Amdur's rankings as they appeared in World Tennis, I now understad him a bit better, I think, as it was much harder for to arrive at a global ranking for 1972 than I had thought. The first problem seems to be deciding when 1972 started and ended. Does one follow the calendar year, cutting two Australian seasons in two, half at the beginning and half at the end, or, leaving the 1972-3 Australian season intact, the 1972 Dewar Cup series and one or two other events in the Americas for consideration the following year and replace them with the tournaments that took place in November and December 1971? That decision inevitably affects the ranking order decided and is particularly problematic in the case of 1972 as it means that Margaret Court, who came back to tournament play in July, but who dominated the closing two months of the year, suffers. In deference to the practice of that time rather than any personal preference, I’ve decided to go with the October 10th 1971-October 15th 1972 period.



One starting point when trying to determine the top places is to look at performances in a season’s major events. The four main events of this1971-2 season were undoubtedly the traditional majors at Wimbledon, New York and Paris and the inaugural Virginia Slims Championships at Boca Raton in Florida: the first two on grass, the others on clay. Those four events produced two winners and two finalists: King and Evert, Goolagong and Melville.



King won the first three and lost in the semi-final in Florida to Evert. Evert was semi- finalist in the other two events she participated in, going down to Melville at Forest Hills and Goolagong at Wimbledon. Goolagong competed in three of the events, lost two finals to King at Paris and Wimbledon and was the last 16 victim of Teeguarden at Forest Hills. Melville, the finalist at Forest Hills and Boca Raton, lost to Goolagong in the 4th round in Paris and was at beaten in the last 32 by Patti Hogan at Wimbledon.


However, success in the biggest tournaments is not the only criterion for establishing a pecking order over a twelve month period and two other candidates emerge for consideration with the four already mentioned. Court missed the first two thirds of the season in question, and although she was forced to retire against Jeanne Evert at 57 62 52 0-30, just one game from victory in the last 16 at Boca Raton with cramps, she did reach the semi finals at Forest Hills before yielding to King. In tournament play, Court’s record was 2-3 against King,1-1 with Evert and 1-0 over Richey and Goolagong. She did not play Melville and suffered only one other defeat (to Wade) as she won four titles. Richey’s quarter final at Wimbledon and first round defeats at Boca to Stove and Forest Hills to Sawamatsu must be weighed against very good results in head-to-head confrontations with the other players already mentioned.



For 1972 overall, though, rather than simplifying matters, head to head results seem to complicate decisions even more. Among these six women, the results in tournament play illustrate that each had at least one bête noire. King had a losing head to head against Evert. They met once indoors, when King won, and three times on Florida clay, where Evert proved unstoppable. Evert’s record was blemished only by a 0-3 h2h record against Richey. Richey was down 3-4 to King and 0-1 to Court and Goolagong down 0-3 to King and 0-1 to Court, Court in turn was down 2-3 to King. Finally, Melville ended the season without a winning tally against any of these players.in tournament play. I should mention at this point that I’ve basically set aside all results from team competitions as the conditions and circumstances are not the same as in ordinary tournaments. Whether the rubber is dead or live, the influence of a coach and the strength, motivation and performance of the team as a whole mean the conditions differ. This alters one or wo of the h2h stats (as it happens to Evert's detriment, as she beat Court and Goolagong in the Bonne Bell Cup).



Additionally, examining the year-long performance of the top players outside those four championships is complicated by the existence of several separate tour structures: the 21 tournament-long Virginia Slims tour included most – but not all - of the main events in the States; a women’s Grand Prix which included some of the slims events and most of the other remaining major international tournaments such as the Italian, German, South African and Canadian Opens and the US and British Clay Courts; the Australian circuit, which remained a separate series of unconnected tournaments; and the Dewar Cup indoor series in Britain in the closing months of 1971.


The slims tour was the one which had the greatest depth and here King led the pack with 6 tournament wins and 6 finals in 18 regular tournaments. Richey won 5 events from 7 finals (13 tournaments) and Casals three events from 4 finals (18 tournaments) Evert 1 had win from 6 events and Court 2 wins from 4 finals in 4 events. Melville enjoyed 1 win from 2 finals in 18 events and Goolagong 1 semi final from just 1 event


In those 11 Grand Prix events which did not form part of the VS tour or big 4, Goolagong won 4 (1 shared with Stove) from 7 finals in 9 events, Evert and King had 1 win from 1 event each, Melville 1 win and 1 final from 2 events and Court 1 win from 3 events.


On the 6 tournament Dewar Cup-British Indoor circuit of 1971, King played and won the big event, the British Indoors but Wade won three and Goolagong two of the circuit events. In Australia, 7 titles were won by Goolaong but in the biggest, the Australian Open, she fell in the final to Wade.


And so to the rankings. King’s triple crown of the three biggest titles in tennis makes her the obvious candidate for top ranking. Yet although she won the world’s top tournament on clay, the French Open, her head to head results on that surface demonstrate that she was a trifle fortunate that both Richey and Evert were absent from those championships as she never beat either on clay in 1972. Billie Jean did back up her Paris win with a second clay court title, at Charlotte, over Rosie Casals and Margaret Court, though and on grass, she lost only once - to Court in the final at Newport. With major victories indoors and on cement, King had the best overall record and noone else has a stronger claim to that top spot.


In the tussle for the second spot, Richey’s poor performances in the major events and Melville’s failure to sustain her success throughout the year rule those two contenders out in my opinion. Thereafter, it is possible to argue for any one of three players – Court, Evert or Goolagong. Court played least, winning 4 of 9 tournaments and losing 5 times (1 retirement). Evert played 12 tournaments, won four titles and lost 7 times (1 default). Goolagong played way too much and although she won 14 titles (including one divided), she lost 12 times. Nevetheless, she still comes out with the best tournament win/loss ratio. In tournament play, Evert was at 1-1 with both Goolagong and Court and Court won her only encounter with Goolagong. Evert chalked up three wins against King in 4 encounters and Court 2 wins in 5 but Goolagong went down in all three of her meetings with Billie Jean. In the end, though, I feel Goolagong, by virtue of having proven herself second best to the number 1 in the leading grass court and clay events in the world should be given second place overall. She defeated Melville in Paris and Evert at Wimbledon. Evert’s clay court success, with back-to-back wins over King and Melville at Boca Raton, merit a third place but she had no wins over King, Goolagong or Court on any other surface. Court comes in 4th - mainly because she didn't have a big title to support a very solid record after her return - but there really is little to choose between them.


In the battle between Richey and Melville for 5th place, 5 titles and three wins eachover King and Evert seem to give the former, who also beat Melville in their only direct encounter, the edge. Melville’s path to the final at Boca Raton did not include victories over any of the players ranked above her and at Forest Hills her path was eased by Goolagong’s early exit.


Rosie Casals, Virginia Wade and Françoise Durr form the next group. Wade’s fine win over Goolagong – one of three during the year - at the Australian Open was her high point. She also picked up one Slims event at Boston, claimed the scalp of Margaret Court and was a quarter finalist at Roland Garros, Wimbledon and Forest Hills losing to King each time. Casals picked up three titles on the Virginia Slims tour and beat Richey to make the semi finals at Wimbledon. Durr but was a semi finalist in Paris, a quarter finalist at Wimbledon, falling to Goolagong on both occasions, and although she only won 2 titles in a year in which she played in excess of 30 tournaments, she was consistently present in the closing rounds.


The final place could go to one of several candidates: Olga Morozova, Helga Masthoff, Linda Tuero and Wendy Overton. Overton’s claim rests on a title-less but very consistent slims tour but she has no victories over the top 8 players to support her case. Tuero’s claim rests on her win in Rome but she also lost in the final at Nice and Hamburg to Masthoff, who reached the sf in Paris. It is Olga Morozova who seems to me to have the best claim, however, with tournament wins at Orange New Jersey, Beckenham and Tasmania, finals in Rome, Perth and Adelaide, quarter finals in Melbourne Paris and Forest Hills and the last 16 at Wimbledon.


Finally, a look at how this list compares with the other 5 I know of for the year:


Neil Amdur:
King-Richey-Evert-Goolagong-Court-Melville-Casals-Wade-Durr-Overton & Morozova

John Barrett:
King-Court-Evert-Goolagong-Richey-Melville-Casals-Wade-Durr-Stove

Bud Collins: King-Court-Richey-Evert-Wade-Goolagong-Casals-Melville-Durr-Morozova

Lance Tingay:
King-Goolagong-Evert-Court-Melville-Wade-Casals-Richey-Durr-Tuero

Rino Tommasi:
King-Goolagong-Evert-Court-Richey-Casals-Melville-Wade-Durr-Masthoff


Me:
King-Goolagong-Evert-Court-Richey-Melville-Wade-Casals-Durr-Morozova

chris whiteside
Sep 1st, 2004, 10:18 AM
BTW-if it's OK I'll also include player lists. Somewhere I have Suzanne Lenglen's list for 1921, and in 1975 World Tennis asked Chris Evert for a top ten list.


February 1976 issue, Rollo. I noticed that list and it was spot on. As opposed to WT she went for Goolagong over Navratilova as #3 which imo was the correct ranking.

Andy T
Sep 1st, 2004, 10:35 AM
Our lists vary little, Chris. I lengthily deliberated the merits of Evert and Goolagong. It is clear that by the end of 1972, Evert had established herself in the very top flight on clay but in the six tournaments she played on other surfaces, gained just one win (Queens) and beat noone of note in doing so whereas Goolagong did well on all surfaces, beating several top tenners. It is an extremely close call whichever way you look at it. Wade got the nod over Casals for similar reasons.

preacherfan
Sep 1st, 2004, 12:52 PM
My 1972 List:

1- King (dominant)
2- Goolagong (though she lost more than she should have, she still won a lot and her record in the Slams is strong)
3- Evert
4- Richey (consistency and ability to beat top players)
5- Wade (AO win, strong beginning to year)
6- Melville (two major finals)
7- Court (can't give a top five ranking to a player who didn't play until July. though she was great, she only played one Slam)
8- Casals
9- Durr
10- Morozova

chris whiteside
Sep 1st, 2004, 02:22 PM
Our lists vary little, Chris. I lengthily deliberated the merits of Evert and Goolagong. It is clear that by the end of 1972, Evert had established herself in the very top flight on clay but in the six tournaments she played on other surfaces, gained just one win (Queens) and beat noone of note in doing so whereas Goolagong did well on all surfaces, beating several top tenners. It is an extremely close call whichever way you look at it. Wade got the nod over Casals for similar reasons.

Perhaps we both owe Mr. Amdur an apology. What at first glance seemed a politically motivated ranking list in favour of the Slims players under scrutiny proved to be remarkably accurate. Apart from our own Nancy my list runs in the exact same order as his.

Andy T
Sep 1st, 2004, 02:31 PM
Perhaps we both owe Mr. Amdur an apology. What at first glance seemed a politically motivated ranking list in favour of the Slims players under scrutiny proved to be remarkably accurate. Apart from our own Nancy my list runs in the exact same order as his.

Yep, I think so. Mine differs from a bit more than that yours does but only on the closest calls!

chris whiteside
Sep 2nd, 2004, 06:36 AM
World Tennis Rankings

1977

1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 Barker
5 King
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Casals
9 Reid
10 Fromholtz


1978

1 Evert
2 Navratilova
3 Goolagong
4 Wade
5 King
6 Stove
7 Turnbull
8 Austin
9 Ruzici
10 Shriver


1979

1 Navratilova
2 Austin
3 Evert Lloyd
4 Goolagong
5 Turnbull
6 Fromholtz
7 King
8 Wade
9 Barker
10 Ruzici


1980

1 Lloyd
2 Austin
3 Navratilova
4 Goolagong
5 Mandlikova
6 Jaegar
7 King
8 Turnbull
9 Ruzici
10 Shriver


1981

1 Lloyd
2 Austin
3 Navratilova
4 Mandlikova
5 Jaegar
6 Shriver
7 Hanika
8 Jausovec
9 Tuzici
10 Potter

Rollo
Sep 2nd, 2004, 02:33 PM
All caught up on what's been posted.


Question: Should I include rankings from out esteemed colleagues?

Andy T
Sep 2nd, 2004, 03:31 PM
Don't know if I'm esteeemed or not but NOT mine, thanks, Rollo! For me, ranking the players is a way into knowing their records better but these experts were there at the time, saw the balls being struck and wrote the match reports. Any judgements I make are worth 0 compared to theirs.

RoanHJ
Sep 2nd, 2004, 04:46 PM
I'm having a bit of trouble with the world rankings for the 1930s and 1940s. It seems that the main way to be ranked # 1 is simply win Wimbledon. I've been putting together Alice Marble's tournament wins. Now off the top of my head I'm pretty sure she leads players such as Helen Jacobs and Sperling in head to head wins. Especially Sperling. I don't even think Sperling ever beat Alice. I don't know that the world rankings really provide a clear picture as to who was the best player. Due to the war and no Wimbledon I don't even see a 1940. From 1939 to 1940 Alice Marble went undefeated and was one of the best players yet so far I don't see that. Also, how did the smaller tournaments figure in?

chris whiteside
Sep 2nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
All caught up on what's been posted.


Question: Should I include rankings from out esteemed colleagues?

I'm 50/50 on this. While you have to respect their knowledge it's quite disconcerting to see the those regarded as the leading tennis correspondents of their era differ on a player being #2 and #8 (1972 e.g.) for the year and we do seem to notice slight signs of bias sometimes.

I entirely agree with Andy that my own judgements cannot hold any water with the experts of the time and do not rate being posted alongside them. On the other hand I think it's fun to see how others' opinions pan out and a separate thread for our own member's listings would be nice.

However, would that put too much extra work on your plate, Rollo?

alfajeffster
Sep 2nd, 2004, 05:31 PM
I'm having a bit of trouble with the world rankings for the 1930s and 1940s. It seems that the main way to be ranked # 1 is simply win Wimbledon. I've been putting together Alice Marble's tournament wins. Now off the top of my head I'm pretty sure she leads players such as Helen Jacobs and Sperling in head to head wins. Especially Sperling. I don't even think Sperling ever beat Alice. I don't know that the world rankings really provide a clear picture as to who was the best player. Due to the war and no Wimbledon I don't even see a 1940. From 1939 to 1940 Alice Marble went undefeated and was one of the best players yet so far I don't see that. Also, how did the smaller tournaments figure in?
Not to throw a spanner in the works, and because the Pauline Betz interview is being edited and posted on the USTAMiddle States Web Site in the next day or so, I won't go into too much detail to spoil it- but I remember Pauline saying that when she first started playing Marble, Alice was beating her, then Pauline started beating Alice, and then the war came and Alice wasn't around any more (I take it because she had turned pro and was busy spying on the nazis- :lol: - just kidding). Not being as familiar with Alice Marble as you, Roan, I wonder what is the Betz/Marble head-to-head record?

RoanHJ
Sep 2nd, 2004, 05:41 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, and because the Pauline Betz interview is being edited and posted on the USTAMiddle States Web Site in the next day or so, I won't go into too much detail to spoil it- but I remember Pauline saying that when she first started playing Marble, Alice was beating her, then Pauline started beating Alice, and then the war came and Alice wasn't around any more (I take it because she had turned pro and was busy spying on the nazis- :lol: - just kidding). Not being as familiar with Alice Marble as you, Roan, I wonder what is the Betz/Marble head-to-head record?

I'm not at my personal computer so right now I can't check for sure, but I think it's Alice Marble 3-0 over Pauline. Alice went undefeated for two straight years and in Jan. 1941, she made her pro debut. Now, after going pro neither Alice nor Pauline would have been allowed to play each other in an official match. As far as I know, after Alice turned pro she wouldn't have even been allowed to play in any type of match against Pauline. Even the War Bond Rallys were off limits.

alfajeffster
Sep 2nd, 2004, 05:47 PM
Well- they just posted the Interview, and I've just created a thread- give it a read, and don't hold back- let me know what you think!

Andy T
Sep 2nd, 2004, 07:31 PM
John Barrett's World rankings 1972-90
1972
1. King
2. Court
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. Richey
6. Melville
7. Casals
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Stove

1973
1. Court
2. Evert
3. Goolagong
= King
5. Melville
6. Masthoff
7. Casals
8. Wade
9. Morozova
10. Richey

1974
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Morozova
5. Wade
6. Melville
7. Navratilova
8. Heldman
9. Masthoff
10. Casals

1975
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Navratilova
5. Wade
6. Court
7. Morozova
8. Melville
9. Stove
10. Sawamatsu

1976
1. Evert
2. Goolagong
3. Wade
4. Barker
5. Casals
6. Navratilova
7. Jausovec
8. Durr
9. Fromholtz
10. Tomanova

1977
1. Evert
2. Wade
3. King
4. Stove
5. Navratilova
6. Barker
7. Turnbull
8. Casals
9. Jausovec
10. Melville

1978
1. Evert
2. Navratilova
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. Turnbull
6. Ruzici
7. King
8. Austin
= Shriver
10. Jausovec

1979
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. Goolagong
5. King
6. Fromholtz
7. Wade
8. Turnbull
9. Melville
10. Ruzici

1980
1. Evert
2. Austin
3. Navratilova
4. Goolagong
5. Mandlikova
6. Jaeger
7. Turnbull
8. Ruzici
9. Fromholtz
10. Shriver

1981
1. Austin
= Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Navratilova
5. Jaeger
6. Turnbull
7. Shriver
8. Ruzici
9. Hanika
10. Jausovec

1982
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Mandlikova
5. Austin
6. Ruzici
7. Bunge
8. Shriver
9. Potter
10 Garrison
= Turnbull

1983
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Durie
5. Shriver
6. Mandlikova
7. Turnbull
8. Hanika
9. Temesvari
10. Potter

1984
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Shriver
5. Bassett
6. Man Maleeva
7. Garrison
8. Jordan
9. Turnbull
10. Kohde-Kilsch

1985
1. navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Garrison
5. Kohde-Kilsch
6. Sukova
7. Shriver
8. Graf
9. Man Maleeva
10. Rinaldi
= Sabatini

1986
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Graf
4. Sukova
5. Mandlikova
6. Sabatini
7. Shriver
8. Garrison
9. Man Maleeva
10. Rinaldi

1987
1. Graf
2. Navratilova
3. Evert
4. Mandlikova
5. Sabatini
6. Shriver
7. Sukova
8. Kohde-Kilsch
9. Man Maleeva
10. McNeil

1988
1. Graf
2. Sabatini
3. Navratilova
4. Evert
5. Shriver
6. Sukova
7. Zvereva
8. Garrison
9. Man Maleeva
10. Kohde-Kilsch

1989
1. Graf
2. Navratilova
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. sabatini
5. Seles
6. Evert
7. Garrison
8. Sukova
9. Man Maleeva
10. Lindqvist

1990
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sabatini
4. Navratilova
5. Fernandez
6. Kat Maleeva
7. Garrison
8. Sanchez-Vicario
9. Man Maleeva
10. Capriati

chris whiteside
Sep 2nd, 2004, 07:32 PM
I'm having a bit of trouble with the world rankings for the 1930s and 1940s. It seems that the main way to be ranked # 1 is simply win Wimbledon. I've been putting together Alice Marble's tournament wins. Now off the top of my head I'm pretty sure she leads players such as Helen Jacobs and Sperling in head to head wins. Especially Sperling. I don't even think Sperling ever beat Alice. I don't know that the world rankings really provide a clear picture as to who was the best player. Due to the war and no Wimbledon I don't even see a 1940. From 1939 to 1940 Alice Marble went undefeated and was one of the best players yet so far I don't see that. Also, how did the smaller tournaments figure in?

Sorry, I can't help you on this, RoanHJ. I have no magazines or data before the mid 50s but I know Ned Potter did do rankings.

I would reckon you are right that they tended to be based mostly on The Slams with Wimbledon being heavily favoured followed by Forest Hills. I know the US was the only big Championship which continued through WW2. Wimbledon and France were not held from 1940-45 and The Australian from 1941-45.

I would suspect, but this is based on thin air, that the smaller tournaments didn't really count for much. The British maybe tended to give some attention to their Hard Court Champs while the Americans would have regarded their Clay Courts, Hard Courts etc.

Pre-WW2 a lot of Europeans didn't go to the US and vice versa, even later players like Kormoczy and Niessen rarely ventured to the States.

Rollo
Sep 3rd, 2004, 01:38 PM
Added in a ton for 1981.


Still need to add J. Barrett from 1972-80.

chris whiteside
Sep 3rd, 2004, 05:25 PM
1981

Judith Elian-L'Equipe, Paris
1. Chris Evert Lloyd
2. Hana Mandlikova
3. Treacy Austin
4. Martina Navratilova
5. Andrea Jaeger
6. Pam Shriver
7. Sylvia Hanika
8. Mima Jausovec
9. Virginia Ruzici
10. (tie) B. Bunge, Regina Marsikova



:confused:

Andy T
Sep 3rd, 2004, 06:36 PM
John Barrett's World Rankings 1991-99

1991
1. Seles
2. graf
3. Sabatini
4. Navratilova
5. Sanchez-Vicario
6. Fernandez
7. Capriati
8. Novotna
9. Martinez
10. Man Maleeva

1992
1. Seles
2. Graf
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. capriati
5. Sabatini
6. Fernandez
7. Man Maleeva
8. Navratilova
9. Martinez
10. Zvereva


1993
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Navratilova
6. Novotna
7. Sabatini
8. Huber
9. Fernandez
10. Man Maleeva

1994
1. Sanchez-Vicario
2. Graf
3. Martinez
4. Pierce
5. Novotna
6. Sabatini
7. Davenport
8. Navratilova
9. Date
10. Zvereva


1995
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Pierce
6. Sabatini
7. Date
8. Fernandez
9. Novotna
10. Huber


1996
1. Graf
2. Seles
3. Sanchez-Vicario
4. Martinez
5. Novotna
6. Huber
7. Davenport
8. Hingis
9. Date
10. Coetzer

1997
1. Hingis
2. novotna
3. Davenport
4. Seles
5. Majoli
6. Pierce
7. Coetzer
8. Sanchez-Vicario
9. Spirlea
10. Fernandez

1998
1. Davenport
2. Hingis
3. Novotna
4. Sanchez-Vicario
5. V. Williams
6. Seles
7. PIerce
8. Martinez
9. Graf
10. Tauziat
= Schnyder

1999

1. Hingis
2. Davenport
3. S. Williams
4. V. Williams
5. Graf
6. Pierce
7. Seles
8. Tauziat
9. Schett
10. Halard

Andy T
Sep 3rd, 2004, 07:23 PM
Rino Tommasi's World Rankings 1974-68
1974:
1. Evert
2. King
3. Goolagong
4. Wade
5. Melville-Reid
6. Morozova
7. Casals
8. Masthoff
9. Richey
10. Heldman

1973:
1. Court
2. Evert
3. King
4. Goolagong
5. Melville-Reid
6. Casals
7. Richey
8. Wade
9. Masthoff
10. Morozova

1972:
1.King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Richey
6. Casals
7. Reid
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Masthoff

1971:
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Wade
6. Durr
7. Evert
8. Melville-Reid
9.Gourlay
10. Tegart

1970:
1.Court
2. King
3. Casals
4. Wade
5. Masthoff
6. Melville-Reid
7. Haydon-Jones
8. Durr
9. Krantzcke
10. Goolagong

1969:
1.Court
2. Haydon-Jones
3. King
4. Richey
5. Heldman
6. Casals
7. Melville-Reid
8. Wade
9. Tegart
10. Bartkowicz

1968:
1. King
2. Court
3. Richey
4. Wade
5. Tegart
6. Turner
7. van Zyl
8. Haydon-Jones
9. Bueno
10. Durr

Rollo
Sep 10th, 2004, 01:51 PM
Added in a couple from 1948-there are lots more out there still!

chris whiteside
Sep 10th, 2004, 02:07 PM
Added in a couple from 1948-there are lots more out there still!

That's an interesting one, Rollo. Seems they couldn't get their act together back then either. Oliff and Gillou have Bolton at #s 4 & 5 but Potter doesn't put her in his top 10. Hmmm.

Rollo
Sep 10th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Bolton didn't tour the world in 1948-hence she was either ranked by reputation from 1947 or ignored. Most of Nancye's career was limited to Australia only-she didn't lose a singles match from 1940 to 1947!

Many feel she could have been a Margaret Court had she been given the chance. I'll be posting the story of her 1947 visit to the US in the "Robbed" thread-it's a shocker!

chris whiteside
Sep 12th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Imagine if this was 30 years ago and Tingay, Collins, Elian etc were trying to rank the top 10 based on this years results. Those lists would make fascinating reading. Seven different Slam finalists and the one who was there twice lost in both of them. The current world #1 having made only 1 Slam semi. Of course there is still the Slims final to go.

Does anyone know if any of the current tennis magazine publications still produce an "old style" top 10 at the end of the year rather than just rely on the WTA rankings?

Rollo
Sep 13th, 2004, 02:27 AM
I've not heard of any magazine putting out world rankings in years. I wanted to cry when World of Tennis stopped it too:sad: The stupid WTA computer should never be the last word.

This is the type of year where the WTA would be a tiebreaker IMO. Had Davenport or Mauresmo won the US Open they'd be tops on my list-a slam plus lots of tour wins and good results in other slams.

As it stands I have Henin on top.

Mauresmo will be the computer #1 only a few weeks-then it will be Davenport.

This is the strangest year I've ever seen in women's tennis.

Rollo
Sep 13th, 2004, 02:28 AM
I'll try and get these current soon.

preacherfan
Sep 13th, 2004, 04:31 AM
I'd still go for Davenport. It's so unfortunate that she was injured against Kuznetsova. The path was paved for her to win the Open easily, but that's life. She is the only player that has consistently performed at the top level for the entire year. She struggled with Henin early, but who didn't? She didn't do well on clay, but did win Amelia Island. Should've beaten Sharapova. Dominated the summer. Would've won the Open... Shoulda... coulda... Doesn't sound like a #1, but none of the Slam winners have produced a #1 kind of year. Myskina has too many bad losses. Who knows if Lindsay will even play any more. She wanted the USO not the #1 ranking. But if she plays out the year with some success, she could only be supplanted in my mind by a strong finish for Henin or if Myskina or Mauresmo wins the year-end champs.

Right now...
1 Davenport
2 Myskina
3 Henin-Hardenne
4 Dementieva
5 Kuznetsova
6 Mauresmo
7 Sharapova
8 S. Williams
9 Zvonareva
10 V Williams
10 Capriati
updated after original post - thanks Chris!

(Sorry for posting this on the BFTP section, but I hate all the stuff on the GM Board)

chris whiteside
Sep 13th, 2004, 05:05 AM
Right now...
1 Davenport
2 Myskina
3 Henin-Hardenne
4 Dementieva
5 Kuznetsova
6 Mauresmo
7 S. Williams
8 Zvonareva
9 V Williams
10 Capriati


Mauresmo #6? Most would probably place her somewhere around this which just shows the weakness of the system. But I notice you don't put Sharapova in at all and probably rightly. This also shows the weakness in th rankings of the "old timers". I doubt no matter what other results, they would place a Wimbledon champ outsid ethe top 4.

However, I was reading yesterday that the WTA issued a set of proposals last week for the next year one of which is an appraisal of the ranking system.

preacherfan
Sep 13th, 2004, 05:41 AM
Mauresmo #6? Most would probably place her somewhere around this which just shows the weakness of the system. But I notice you don't put Sharapova in at all and probably rightly. This also shows the weakness in th rankings of the "old timers". I doubt no matter what other results, they would place a Wimbledon champ outsid ethe top 4.

However, I was reading yesterday that the WTA issued a set of proposals last week for the next year one of which is an appraisal of the ranking system.

AAGGHH!! My mistake! I'll correct my fault with Sharapova. No way she's top 5. I'll give her 6, but only because she's the Wimbledon champ. Goolagong was top 5 with only her Wimbledon crown in '80 of any significance.

You can blast the rankings system if you'd like (not you specifically Chris). But the rankings system isn't the problem here. None of the Slam holders deserve to be number one. Myskina has the best overall results and IMO she is pushing it to get to #2. Kuznetsova and Sharapova have one big win only and Henin hasn't played enough since her return. It's too early to see if she's really back (she barely beat Myskina in Athens and beat Mauresmo (the choker) in the final). Somebody's got to be #1. It's Amelie now, though unless she has a great fall she'll lose it to Lindsay. If a ranking system is developed that gives a #1 ranking to one of this year's Slam winners, then we should all quit following any other tournaments because only the majors mean anything. Winning one Slam doesn't make you a number one player if there is nothing else to back it up. Would Lindsay or Amelie trade that #1 ranking for one of those Slam titles? You'd better believe it! But they've earned #1 due to the best record for the past 12 months.

All that being said, 2-3 titles and the year-end Championship should snare the number one ranking for any of the following: Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Henin-Hardenne, Kuznetsova, S Williams, or Dementieva. Maybe even Sharapova. No one's out of the race this year.

chris whiteside
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:00 AM
AAGGHH!! My mistake! I'll correct my fault with Sharapova. No way she's top 5. I'll give her 6, but only because she's the Wimbledon champ. Goolagong was top 5 with only her Wimbledon crown in '80 of any significance.

You can blast the rankings system if you'd like (not you specifically Chris). But the rankings system isn't the problem here. None of the Slam holders deserve to be number one. Myskina has the best overall results and IMO she is pushing it to get to #2. Kuznetsova and Sharapova have one big win only and Henin hasn't played enough since her return. It's too early to see if she's really back (she barely beat Myskina in Athens and beat Mauresmo (the choker) in the final). Somebody's got to be #1. It's Amelie now, though unless she has a great fall she'll lose it to Lindsay. If a ranking system is developed that gives a #1 ranking to one of this year's Slam winners, then we should all quit following any other tournaments because only the majors mean anything. Winning one Slam doesn't make you a number one player if there is nothing else to back it up. Would Lindsay or Amelie trade that #1 ranking for one of those Slam titles? You'd better believe it! But they've earned #1 due to the best record for the past 12 months.

All that being said, 2-3 titles and the year-end Championship should snare the number one ranking for any of the following: Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Henin-Hardenne, Kuznetsova, S Williams, or Dementieva. Maybe even Sharapova. No one's out of the race this year.

I agree with all of that and I do blast the system but having said that I would not have a clue how it might be changed except I would definitely have a divisor. It doesn't somehow seem right to me but Amelie deserves to be #1 simply because she has achieved it on the criteria as it stands.

preacherfan
Sep 13th, 2004, 06:22 AM
OK, Chris. I just went to the WTA rankings and divided the points accumulated by tournaments played. 16 was my minimum divisor, so if a player played fewer than 16 tournaments, she still has her point total divided by 16. I think this is a much more accurate judge of a player's standing. It keeps the Dokic's of the world from playing 42 tournaments just to accumulate ranking points.

Top 10 based on 9/13 rankings.
1 Davenport 253.56
2 Mauresmo 251.5
3 Henin-Hardenne 250.25
4 Myskina 207.75
5 Clijsters 175.94
6 Capriati 162.38
7 Dementieva 153.09
8 Kuznetsova 143.54
9 Sharapova 142.78
10 S Williams 142.06

11 V Williams 134.06
big drop
12 Zvonareva 89.42

Look how close the top three are. And they've been the players who've regularly won tournaments.
Surprising that Capriati is #6. She pulled out of lots of events and has played consistently at the Slams.

Kudos to Myskina, Sharapova, and Kuznetsova. But are they the best players of the past 12 months? No. I think that Davenport, Mauresmo and Henin are the top three.

chris whiteside
Sep 14th, 2004, 10:30 AM
OK, Chris. I just went to the WTA rankings and divided the points accumulated by tournaments played. 16 was my minimum divisor, so if a player played fewer than 16 tournaments, she still has her point total divided by 16. I think this is a much more accurate judge of a player's standing. It keeps the Dokic's of the world from playing 42 tournaments just to accumulate ranking points.

Top 10 based on 9/13 rankings.
1 Davenport 253.56
2 Mauresmo 251.5
3 Henin-Hardenne 250.25
4 Myskina 207.75
5 Clijsters 175.94
6 Capriati 162.38
7 Dementieva 153.09
8 Kuznetsova 143.54
9 Sharapova 142.78
10 S Williams 142.06

11 V Williams 134.06
big drop
12 Zvonareva 89.42

Look how close the top three are. And they've been the players who've regularly won tournaments.
Surprising that Capriati is #6. She pulled out of lots of events and has played consistently at the Slams.

Kudos to Myskina, Sharapova, and Kuznetsova. But are they the best players of the past 12 months? No. I think that Davenport, Mauresmo and Henin are the top three.

Doesn't make as big a difference as I might have thought and leaves us with a #1 who hasn't reached a Slam final this year. I will make no comment on Capriati. They are doing plenty of that on the General Board!

Maybe go on fewer tournaments but then that might encourage some of the top players not to play beyong the minimum number required.

It would really take someone with a greater mind than myself to come up with a fair and relevant system. My only thought at the minute is to give double the points available at present for winning a Slam but keep the same no for r/u downwards. This would help to protect the status of the Tier I events. Perhaps even a few bonus points for the r/u but not to the same extent as double.

Rollo
Sep 14th, 2004, 12:42 PM
The top players won't play beyond what they feel like anyway Chris. The Williams, Capriati, Davenport-now joined by Henin and Clijsters-will never be playing more than 18 events again in any season. The big rankings change in 1997 has visited disaster upon the tour. Frankly IMO they have brought it upon themselves.

chris whiteside
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:44 PM
The top players won't play beyond what they feel like anyway Chris. The Williams, Capriati, Davenport-now joined by Henin and Clijsters-will never be playing more than 18 events again in any season. The big rankings change in 1997 has visited disaster upon the tour. Frankly IMO they have brought it upon themselves.

Agreed, although I was thinking along the lines of if they reduced the minimum to say 12.

I drop in on the General Board now and again but it is easy not to see something so I have just noticed your ranking system. How far back with this did you go?

My initial reaction was that, while I definitely agree with the Slams being the elite of the game and worth more points than currently allocated they weren't worth 5 times as much and that Tier I's were maybe undervalued. On the other hand I see you only allocate 40% of the winner's points to a runner-up instead of the current 70% so that reaching a Slam semi for example doesn't distort the figures greatly.

I like it, Rollo. As they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the merit is that it has a proven track record. To me the year-end #1's it has produced for 1998 - 2001 are more realistic than the WTA rankings.

Am I right in assuming that you have no bar on the maximum number of toutnaments which count towards the ranking and you do not allow for bonus points in your system?

Rollo
Sep 14th, 2004, 01:55 PM
Hi Chris:wavey:


I actually unveiled a "test run" world ranking some time back to get feedback. Robert had some valid criticisms IMO so I've retooled it to make slams worth less. In a few weeks I'll repost 1980-2004.

Am I right in assuming that you do not have a maximum number of tournaments rule? I count only the top 10 results for my own rankings-which also count head to heads. If I were proposing a computer system I would make it the top 12.

Rollo
Jan 10th, 2005, 06:44 AM
Anyone come across new rankings?

I added one I found from 1936 by Ned Potter.

chris whiteside
Jan 27th, 2005, 09:13 PM
Ulrich Kaiser based on a panel of International Correspondents.

1962

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Hard
4 Susman
5 Sukova
6 Schuurman
7 Jones
8 Reynolds
9 Turner
10 Moffitt


1963

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Hard
5 Moffitt
6 Jones
7 Lehane
8 Schuurman
9 Sukova
10 Ebbern

chris whiteside
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:35 PM
This is a real cracker.

1964

Margaret Smith. Yes, this IS Margaret Smith-Court.

1 Bueno
2 Turner
3 Jones
4 Moffitt
5 Richey
6 Schultze
7 Susman
8 Graebner
9 Baylon
10 Durr

She didn't rank herself so from #2 (at least) every player would be one place lower.

I thought at first perhaps she had been asked to rank foreign players from an Aussie perspective but that wouldn't hold because Turner is in her logical position. I wonder could there be a little bit of internal rivalry there because no place for Ebbern or Lehane. I don't see on the results how anyone could put Baylon or Durr above them.

It is interesting to see how she assessed other players. Obviously she had a regard for Jones and Schultz. Based on their performances it is difficult to see how they could be placed so highly especially Jones ahead of Moffitt and Richey.

chris whiteside
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:40 PM
1964

Ulrich Kaiser based on an International panel.

1 Bueno
2 Smith
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Ebbern
6 Richey
7 Graebner
8 Jones
9 Lehane
10 Susman
-----------
11 Schultze
12 Baylon

Only 1 point separated Bueno and Smith but it is obvious that many correspondents regard Wimbledon and Forest Hills as sacrosanct. Ebbern ahead of Richey interesting.

1966

Pierre de Thier, Belgium

1 King
2 Smith
3 Bueno
4 Jones
5 Richey
6 van Zyl
7 Casals
8 Melville
9 Durr
10 Baylon

Rollo
Feb 9th, 2005, 05:10 AM
For fellow rankings enthuisiasts-here is a "composite ranking" from 1962. If thi sis typical we are missing out on many hidden rankings........


**A composite ranking based on the combined rankings of 11 "experts, including Ned Potter and Lance Tingay (rankings listed above) PLUS
Albon Colignon of Les Sports, Brussels
Ernst Graf of Sport, Zurich
Umberto Mezzanotte of Gazetto della Sporto, Milan
Tommu Engstrand of Idrottsbladet, Stockholm
Alan Stewert of The Herald, Melbourne
Ela Cunge of Przeglad Sportowy, Warsaw
Karol Marek of Ceskoslovensky Sport. Prague
Denis Lalanne of L'Equipe, Paris
Vad Dezso of Nepsport, Budapest
R. Grau of El Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona
Isabel Silva of Excesior, Mexico City

Points system based on 10 for #1, 9 for #2 etc. Margaret Smith was the unanimous choice for #1

Rank-Name-Points

1. Margaret Smith 110
2. Maria Bueno 93
3. Darlene Hard 83
4. Karen Susman 76
5. Vera Sukova 55
6. Renee Schuurman 49
7. Ann Jones 42
8. Sandra Reynolds 34
9. Lesley Turner 25
10. Billie Jean Moffitt 14
11. Jan Lehane 10
12. Carole Caldwell 5
13. Angela Mortimer 3
Edda Buding 3
15. Suzie Kormoczy 2
16. Christine Truman 1

chris whiteside
Feb 9th, 2005, 12:09 PM
For fellow rankings enthuisiasts-here is a "composite ranking" from 1962. If thi sis typical we are missing out on many hidden rankings........


**A composite ranking based on the combined rankings of 11 "experts, including Ned Potter and Lance Tingay (rankings listed above) PLUS
Albon Colignon of Les Sports, Brussels
Ernst Graf of Sport, Zurich
Umberto Mezzanotte of Gazetto della Sporto, Milan
Tommu Engstrand of Idrottsbladet, Stockholm
Alan Stewert of The Herald, Melbourne
Ela Cunge of Przeglad Sportowy, Warsaw
Karol Marek of Ceskoslovensky Sport. Prague
Denis Lalanne of L'Equipe, Paris
Vad Dezso of Nepsport, Budapest
R. Grau of El Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona
Isabel Silva of Excesior, Mexico City

Points system based on 10 for #1, 9 for #2 etc. Margaret Smith was the unanimous choice for #1

Rank-Name-Points

1. Margaret Smith 110
2. Maria Bueno 93
3. Darlene Hard 83
4. Karen Susman 76
5. Vera Sukova 55
6. Renee Schuurman 49
7. Ann Jones 42
8. Sandra Reynolds 34
9. Lesley Turner 25
10. Billie Jean Moffitt 14
11. Jan Lehane 10
12. Carole Caldwell 5
13. Angela Mortimer 3
Edda Buding 3
15. Suzie Kormoczy 2
16. Christine Truman 1


I think that was the first year that Kaiser produced an averaged list. In several subsequent years World Tennis carried his annual list. From his accompanying letter I somehow got the impression that many of these "experts" did not not actually produce a public list but had made one especially for him.

In some years the points totals did not add up. Given that each ranker's total is 55 points the final product should be a multiple of this. This year it is, but it is 11x55 and not 13. Given that he specifically states that he used Tingay's and Potter's input he must only have used another 9 of those 11 mentioned for the women's list.

The players coming in outside the top 10 is a fair reflection that year although Kormoczy looks a bit odd but in other years some of the players picking up points which obviously meant they had been receiving a placing in someone's list were decidedly questionable. Obviously even the "experts" saw many things through totally different spectacles. In 1966 although Potter and Tingay agreed, there were other odd lists such as The Melbourne Sun-Herald's which had Richey at #2 and King at #4. I tried to get their correspondent's rankings for the 60s. They were quite happy to look them up for me but unless they had the exact date of the edition they were printed in the cost for searching was A$20 an hour so I wasn't that enthusiastic enough!!

You would have to say that given the composition of the above panel there might be a slight European bias.

chris whiteside
Apr 25th, 2005, 11:44 AM
Ulrich Kaiser based on panel of correspondents.

1963

1 Smith 130
2 Bueno 115
3 Turner 99
4 Hard 93
5 Moffitt 75
6 Jones 70
7 Lehane 43
8 Schuurman 35
9 Sukova 32
10 Ebbern 12
11 Richey 4
12 Buding 3
13 Caldwell 1
13 Truman 1


1965

1 Smith 150
2 Bueno 135
3 King 111
4 Turner 105
5 Richey 93
6 van Zyl 68
7 Jones 53
8 Truman 42
9 Durr 36
10 Graebner 24
11 Baylon 6
12 Tegart 3
13 Buding 2


1967

1 King
2 Jones
3 Durr
4 Turner
5 Richey
6 Casals
7 Bueno
8 Melville
9 Wade
10 Tegart
11 van Zyl

chris whiteside
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:56 AM
A letter by a certain Joseph M McCauley covering one full page and severely critical of Ned Potter's 1965 rankings on the men's findings was pulished in World Tennis. These are a few excerpts from the letter:

"Pardon me while I smile; I have just seen Mr. E. C. Potter's World Rankings for 1965 and, frankly, I think they are even more amusing than usual. I realise it is an arduous task to make such a ranking and that most opinions differ when assessing performances but, really, if this is the best he can do then I think it is time Mr. Potter passed the job on to someone else.

I understand your tennis scribe has limited his records this year to 27 players and states he has a complete record of all wins and losses by these players. If the win-loss record by each of the Top Ten is any indication, then Mr. Potter's records are not complete. I have kept a record of 66 players this year and have compiled my data not only from WORLD TENNIS (which appears to be the case with your writer) but also from 2 British and 1 French tennis magazine, Australian newspapers and many tournament programmes which are sent to me from all over the world. I have every reason to believe, therefore, that my records are more complete than Mr. Potter's and list below my differences of opinion."

There then follows a long list of data on all the leading players with reasons as to why he considers Mr. Potter's rankings to be way off. He is particularly scathing of Potter's list of honourable mentions and goes so far as say "as usual I think it is Mr. Potter's national bias which gives an exalted ranking........."

I have to say that I have found more than a few errors in Mr. Potter's data during the 60s, although, to be fair, Lance Tingay also had the odd one.

Whether coincidental or not World Tennis introduced a new correspondent to compile their world rankings in 1966 and - you've guessed it - it was one certain Mr. J. M. McCauley!

But what goes round, comes round. There were a number of critical letters regarding Mr. McCauley's 1971 women's world rankings and he was replaced in 1972 by Neil Amdur of NYT.

chris whiteside
Jul 19th, 2005, 07:54 PM
1965

World Tennis Rankings are by Ned Potter. McCauley didn't take over until 1966.

Andy T
Jul 19th, 2005, 11:32 PM
For you, Chris. Rex Bellamy's top 25 for 1974 and 1975 as published in the Times:

1974:
1) Evert
2) King
3) Goolagong
4) Morozova
5) Wade
6) Melville
7) Casals
8) Masthoff
9) Heldman
10) Navratilova
11) Krantzcke
12) Gunter
13) Durr
14) Court
15) Gourlay
16) Hunt
17) Stove
18) Fromholtz
19) Jeanne Evert
20) Coles
21) Sawamatsu
22) Giscafre
23) Teeguarden
24) Jausovec
25) Ziegenfuss

1975
1) Evert
2) Navratilova
3) Cawley
4) Wade
5) King
6) Court
7) Morozova
8) Sawamatsu
9) Jausovec
10) Fromholtz
11) Newberry
12) Barker
13) Casals
14) Boshoff
15) Tomanova
16) Stevens
17) Stove
18) Melville-Reid
19) Durr
20) Richey-Gunter
21) Hunt
22) Ebbinghaus
23) Overton
24) Chmyreva
25) Teeguarden

chris whiteside
Jul 20th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Interesting, Andy. Thanks. :cool: I wasn't aware the LT published their own rankings (being a Telegraph boy) but I notice one from RB listed for 1971 which I had assumed was personal.

Any ideas when the paper began to publish a ranking list or the approx publication dates of the 74 and 75 lists?

Mark43
Jul 20th, 2005, 05:26 PM
I am rather surprised by Rex Bellamy's rankings for 1975. I know Navratilova did quite well that year, making the finals of Australia, French Open and Virginia Slims finale -- but was she really number 2 in the world? Above King and Goolagong? I don't recall King playing after her Wimbledon win, but Evonne took Australia and was runner up at Wimbledon and the US, and a semifinalist at the Slims.

Andy T
Jul 20th, 2005, 06:03 PM
Interesting, Andy. Thanks. :cool: I wasn't aware the LT published their own rankings (being a Telegraph boy) but I notice one from RB listed for 1971 which I had assumed was personal.

Any ideas when the paper began to publish a ranking list or the approx publication dates of the 74 and 75 lists?

Like a dickhead, I didn't note down the dates but I did jot down that 1974 was published in early Jan 75 (ie just after the Australian Open) and 1975 was published end December 75 (so before the Aussie Open of 75-76). I haven't looked at earlier or later Dec/Jan issues, so don't know how long this went on for.

Andy T
Jul 20th, 2005, 06:07 PM
I am rather surprised by Rex Bellamy's rankings for 1975. I know Navratilova did quite well that year, making the finals of Australia, French Open and Virginia Slims finale -- but was she really number 2 in the world? Above King and Goolagong? I don't recall King playing after her Wimbledon win, but Evonne took Australia and was runner up at Wimbledon and the US, and a semifinalist at the Slims.

In the accompanying blurb he said that while Evert was head & shoulders above the rest, there was a case for ranking the next 4 in any order. King only played 6 tournaments in 75, I believe, which he seems to have penalised her heavily for but on the other hand you could argue that she didn't prove herself on all the surfaces or over the entire year, so a #2 ranking could be seen as rather generous.

chris whiteside
Jul 27th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Rollo, where did you get the Judith Elian ranking for 1970 from?

Rollo
Jul 27th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Rollo, where did you get the Judith Elian ranking for 1970 from?
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I'll check it Chris-my best guess would be somewhere in World Tennis.

preacherfan
Jul 31st, 2005, 12:49 AM
Question:
I've been doing some research and compiling results and my personal rankings. In 1982/83, I thought Martina was always ranked #1. However, I've found that Evert should've been very close to taking that ranking after the AO in '82. Did she obtain it before the YEC? And after the '83 French, Evert held 3 of the Slams and was a finalist at the 4th. I know Martina had been dominant outside the Slams, but did the ranking system then put so little emphasis on the Slams that Martina could hold on to #1? Obviously, after Kathy Jordan upset Evert at the '83 Wimbledon, she would fall off until '85, but I wonder if there had been as big of an emphasis on the Slams would Chrissie been #1 some during '82-'83.

Does anyone have the rankings at various points to post?

Rollo
Jan 8th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Bump up so panelistas or Preacherfan's rankings project could compare.

Does anyone have any to add?

chris whiteside
Feb 1st, 2006, 09:46 AM
Rollo, from your comments on 1983 you would appear to have Lance Tingay's list for that year although it dosn't appear in the thread. Would it be possible to add it in?

When you mention it I can remember him placing Jausovec at #7 which was barmy and I also recall he put Durie at #10 which caused a bit of an uproar in Britain but I can't remember how he placed the rest.

AndrewTas
Feb 2nd, 2006, 11:47 AM
Lance Tingays 1983 rankings.

1 Navratilova
2 Evert
3 Jaeger
4 Mandlikova
5 Hanika
6 Shriver
7 Jausovec
8 Temesvari
9 BJ King
10 Durie

chris whiteside
Feb 2nd, 2006, 11:58 AM
Lance Tingays 1983 rankings.

1 Navratilova
2 Evert
3 Jaeger
4 Mandlikova
5 Hanika
6 Shriver
7 Jausovec
8 Temesvari
9 BJ King
10 Durie


Thanks, Andrew.

Mandlikova #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rollo
Feb 2nd, 2006, 01:31 PM
Thanks Andrew. I added Tingay and World Tennis rankings (they had Temesvari at #6, Hana at #10) also for 1983

BCP
Feb 2nd, 2006, 02:19 PM
Lance Tingays 1983 rankings.

1 Navratilova
2 Evert
3 Jaeger
4 Mandlikova
5 Hanika
6 Shriver
7 Jausovec
8 Temesvari
9 BJ King
10 Durie

Are you sure he was looking at 1983!:eek:

Where to start?! Mandlikova 4! Shriver 6! Jausovec 7! Durie 10!!

AndrewTas
Feb 3rd, 2006, 02:15 PM
Yes Tingay did rank Mandlikova high and states " Mandlikova was an uneasy genius and won nothing of great importance. Yet she had a balance of superiority over Temesvari, Jausovec and BJ king. No one I have put below her was obviously better. Indeed it is hard to find strength rather than comparative weakness in the lower order. Hanika began the season on a higher note than she finished. Shriver fared better in doubles than singles.

Mima crept back into the list after an absence; she was runner-up in France."

Rollo
Feb 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM
Mima crept back into the list after an absence; she was runner-up in France." You just have to wonder what crept into Tingay's head-or bed. Was he sleeping with Mima or on drugs? Maybe, just maybe, she should be in the top ten-but at #7?

chris whiteside
Feb 4th, 2006, 10:15 AM
Yes Tingay did rank Mandlikova high and states " Mandlikova was an uneasy genius and won nothing of great importance. Yet she had a balance of superiority over Temesvari, Jausovec and BJ king. No one I have put below her was obviously better. Indeed it is hard to find strength rather than comparative weakness in the lower order. Hanika began the season on a higher note than she finished. Shriver fared better in doubles than singles.

Mima crept back into the list after an absence; she was runner-up in France."


You just have to wonder what crept into Tingay's head-or bed. Was he sleeping with Mima or on drugs? Maybe, just maybe, she should be in the top ten-but at #7?


I would be very critical of Tingay sometimes but with regard to Mandlikova he does have a point. He sums up the feelings of all the Blaster Panel Members when he says it was hard to find strength rather than comparative weakness in the lower order.

I certainly wouldn't have Hana as high as #4. For a player of her ability it was a decidedly ropey year but remembering that it is the player's record relative to others', on closer examination it does stand up pretty well on this basis.

As for whether Mima Jausovec should be at #7 or just "maybe" in the top 10 I can only say "NO COMMENT"!!

chris whiteside
Feb 17th, 2006, 07:48 AM
Bud Collins Rankings

1969

1 Court
2 Jones
3 King
4 Richey
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Eisel
9 Wade
10 Bowrey


1970

1 Court
2 King
3 Casls
4 Richey
5 Wade
6 Masthoff
7 Jones
8 Melville
9 Krantzcke
10 Durr


1971

1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Melville
6 Durr
7 Wade
8 Masthoff
9 Tegart
10 Evert


1973

1 Court
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Evert
5 Casals
6 Wade
7 Melville
8 Gunter
9 Heldman
10 Masthoff


1974

1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Evert
4 Wade
5 Heldman
6 Casals
7 Melville
8 Morozova
9 Hunt
10 Durr

chris whiteside
Feb 17th, 2006, 07:59 AM
Looking at some of the older rankings I'd have to say that while I wouldn't agree with Ned Potter or Lance Tingay at times I think they were genuine attempts to make an assesssment based on the results and they were after all the afficionados of the day.

However, when it comes to Buddy Boy Collins I would have to say I that given the results I seriously can't see how he arrives at some of his conclusions.

Certain players always seem to be ranked higher on his lists than those of all the other experts of the day.

Rollo
Feb 17th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Looking at some of the older rankings I'd have to say that while I wouldn't agree with Ned Potter or Lance Tingay at times I think they were genuine attempts to make an assesssment based on the results and they were after all the afficionados of the day.

However, when it comes to Buddy Boy Collins I would have to say I that given the results I seriously can't see how he arrives at some of his conclusions.

Certain players always seem to be ranked higher on his lists than those of all the other experts of the day


Like Madam Superstar BJK...and how about 1990, when he placed Sabatini at #2 and Graf at #3. :lol:

I'll add in Collins rankings and...

Rollo
Feb 17th, 2006, 01:13 PM
Joe Mccauley of Tennis Australia

1979 (with some funny and apt comments)
1. Martina Navratilova
2. Tracy Austin
3. Chris Lloyd
4. Evonne Cawley
5. Billie jean King
6. Dianne Fromholtz
7. Wendy Turnbull
8. Virginia Wade
9. Kerry Reid
10. Sue Barker

For the first time since 1973, a new tennis queen reigns supreme [Joe must have ranked Evert #1 1974-78]

[McCauley points out that Martina had a 7-5 record vs. Austin and] " against Mrs Lloyd, Martina won 5 of her 7 contests, and this could have been 6, because at Eastbourne she missed match points in what was THE women's match of the year.

[On Austin]: Her style, which chiefly consists of endless pounding of the ball from the furthest extremities of the court, is designed to empty stadiums rather than fill them, but she is sufficiently single-minded to become the No. 1 within the next couple of years.

Marriage to Britain's John Lloyd was largely responsible for the decline in Chris Lloyd's form...When she puts her mind to it, she can still beat anybody. Her career is now at a crossroads and it seems she doubts whether she has the desire and determination to regain her place at the very top."

Evonne Cawley, the cynosure of interst wherever she plays, was good enough to take fourth place, but sad to relate, when compared to her former glories, her game appears to have entered a period of sterility.....

There is no denying that Billie jean King is a most remarkable woman. The statisitics show that this is the 16th occasion in the last 17 years that she has been ranked in the top 5. The only time she was unranked was 1976, when she played only 3 tournaments. Almost every year, it seems, she announces her retirement o nly to come back with a vengence.... At Flushing Meadow, she made Miss Wade pay for her remark that she (King) had no right to be there by whipping the wining Briton....her most startling performance was the 6-1 6-2 shellacking she handed out to Navratilova at Chichester.

Sydney's Dianne Fromholtz, the game's most attractive southpaw, had a resurgence of form wich earned her 6th place on out list...Possesor of one of the best backhands in the business, she needs to improve her volleying if she hopes to break into the top 5.

Wendy Turnbull continued to impress in 1979.....

Virginia Wade showed all the signs of being over the hill...She either takes the high road or the low road-brilliant or bizarre. These days she does not seem capable of sustaining her brilliant streaks....and this could well be her last appearance in the top 10, which she has graced for 12 succesive years.

Tenth last year, Kerry Reid moves up one place to 9th, the 10th time she has been world ranked since 1966. Her amazing fitness at the age of 32 is a reflection of her deication, and , as usual,she reached the last 8 of most events she played...

Last place on any ranking list is the one which customarily causes the most problems, and 1979 proved to be no exception. The contenders were Kathy Jordan, Sue Barker, Virginia Ruzici, Regina Marsikova and Sylvia Hanika. a damged knee in the spring retarded Ruzici's progess...Jordan had few outstanding wins, and the same applied to Marsikova. Superb performances early in the year seeemd to land Stevens her first entry into the top 10, but she fadly badly in the second half of the season. Hanika, a sturdy Fraulien from Hamburg, stormed into the fial of the Italian Open, but, as yet, she is not quite ready for elevation to the top 10.

Thus my final choice fell to Sue Barker, who finished the year on a high note
by winning the Sydney colgate event....the thing that impressed me most was the list of victims she had to her credit, including Lloyd, Austin, Turnbull, Wade, and Fromholtz. This convinced me she is not far removed from re-establishing herself in the top 5.

Rollo
Feb 17th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Added a bunch to 1979-in a mondo bizarro list Judith Elian ranks Evert #1 for the year! Alos added Bud Collins complete rankings from 1968 through 1979.

Added in a heap of 1977 as well.

chris whiteside
Feb 17th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Thanks, Rollo. I'm not going to look at any years past 1974 in the meantime until we have done our own rankings.

The Aussie magazine must have given Joe McCauley a second chance for I think he got ditched by World Tennis after a furore of protest from their readers about both his men's and ladies' lists for 1971. However, his rankings for that year were pretty much in line with the other experts.

I wasn't going to give any names re. Bud Collins but since you mention it BJ is the obvious standout.

Rollo
Feb 17th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Thanks, Rollo. I'm not going to look at any years past 1974 in the meantime until we have done our own rankings.

If our panel wants I can post our rankings in here too Chris.

BTW-I added in all of Ned Potter's rankings from 1934-1965. (some of the later years are under "World Tennis").

chris whiteside
Feb 21st, 2006, 09:45 AM
1965

Sport za Rubezhom - Russia

1 Smith
2 Bueno
3 Turner
4 Moffitt
5 Richey
6 Jones
7 Graebner
8 van Zyl
9 Baylon
10 Durr

Rollo
Apr 25th, 2006, 11:39 PM
Bump so we can peak in on the 1972 rankings.

elegos7
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:50 PM
I have found some women's rankings (classifications) between 1898 and 1904 in LAWN TENNIS FOR LADIES by MRS. LAMBERT CHAMBERS (this book can be found on-line on the internet). These include only British and Irish players but in my opinion can be regarded as world rankings for these years. It was only in 1905 that May Sutton came to England and surprised everybody with her strong tennis, winning Wimbledon. Until that time, British and Irish ladies dominated every event that they entered. The only US Ladies Champion who played Wimbledon before Sutton was Marion Jones in 1900, but she lost early.

It is great to have rankings before 1921 when Wallys Myers began his world rankings.
Have any of you encountered similar classifications for the pre-1914 period? I would also be interested in men's classifications. Please send me a personal message if you have such rankings.


Here are the Top8 players for each year. There are several ties as you can see below.
1898
1. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
2-5. Edith Austin (GBR)
Ruth Dyas (IRL)
Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
6. Bertha Steedman (GBR)
7-8. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
Muriel Robb (GBR)

1899
1-2. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
3-4. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
Edith Austin (GBR)
5. Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
6. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
7. Muriel Robb (GBR)
8. Bertha Steedman (GBR)

1900
1. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
2. Charlotte Cooper (GBR)
3-4. Louise Martin (IRL)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
5. Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
6. Muriel Robb (GBR)
7-11. E. Bromfield (GBR)
Mrs. G. Evered (GBR)
C. Hill (GBR)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
Mrs. Ruth Winch (GBR)

1901
1. Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
2-3. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
4. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
5-8. Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
Alice Simpson Pickering (GBR)
Muriel Robb (GBR)

1902
1-2. Muriel Robb (GBR)
Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
3-5. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
6-7. Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
H. Lane (GBR)
8-14. Agnes Morton (GBR)
Edith Austin Greville (GBR)
Bertha Steedman (GBR)
Ruth Dyas Durlacher (IRL)
Constance Wilson (GBR)
Towpie Lowther (GBR)
E. Bromfield (GBR)

1903
1-2. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
Louise Martin (IRL)
3-4. Ethel Thomson (GBR)
Towpie Lowther (GBR)
5. Constance Wilson (GBR)
6-8. Angela Greene (GBR)
Agnes Morton (GBR)
Winifred Longhurst (GBR)

1904
1. Dorothea Douglass (GBR)
2-4. Charlotte Cooper Sterry (GBR)
Blanche Bingley Hillyard (GBR)
Constance Wilson (GBR)
5-6. Ethel Thomson (GBR)
Agnes Morton (GBR)
7-10. Winifred Longhurst (GBR)
Violet Pinckney (GBR)
Angela Greene (GBR)
H. Lane (GBR)

I have already posted these in the women's final database thread in April because then I could not find this thread. But this is the thread where these rankings belong.

chris whiteside
May 1st, 2006, 06:48 PM
1971

L'Equipe (presumably Judith Elian)

1) Goolagong
2) Court
3) King
4) Casals
5) Melville
6) Wade
7) Evert
8) Dalton
9) Gunter
10 equal) Chanfreau & Gourlay
- spot the RG influence there - but no Françoise Dürr!!


Tennis Tidning, Sweden (Björn Hellberg)

1) Goolagong
2) King
3) Court
4) Casals
5) Dürr
6) Wade
7) Melville
8) Masthoff
9) Gunter
10 equal) Evert & Dalton

preacherfan
May 2nd, 2006, 12:51 PM
1971

L'Equipe (presumably Judith Elian)

1) Goolagong
2) Court
3) King
4) Casals
5) Melville
6) Wade
7) Evert
8) Dalton
9) Gunter
10 equal) Chanfreau & Gourlay
- spot the RG influence there - but no Françoise Dürr!!



I know it's only one list and maybe not the best, but I always enjoy seeing a player with a long and successful career make a top ten list before the end of her career. Both Gourlay and Chanfreau (esp. Chanfreau) spent several years in the top 15-20 and should be recognized for very good if not great careers.

chris whiteside
May 2nd, 2006, 05:59 PM
I know it's only one list and maybe not the best, but I always enjoy seeing a player with a long and successful career make a top ten list before the end of her career. Both Gourlay and Chanfreau (esp. Chanfreau) spent several years in the top 15-20 and should be recognized for very good if not great careers.

I agree. Chanfreau is one who came agonisingly close to cracking the top 10 on occasion but didn't quite make it.

You feel like trying to make the data fit for players like Buding, Floyd or Vukovich but the bottom line is, of course, that any ranking must be based on the head not the heart.

Given the listings of the other correspondents that year it is hard to see how either Gourlay or Chanfreau could justify a placing at the expense of Durr.

Andy T
May 2nd, 2006, 06:36 PM
I agree. Chanfreau is one who came agonisingly close to cracking the top 10 on occasion but didn't quite make it.

You feel like trying to make the data fit for players like Buding, Floyd or Vukovich but the bottom line is, of course, that any ranking must be based on the head not the heart.

Given the listings of the other correspondents that year it is hard to see how either Gourlay or Chanfreau could justify a placing at the expense of Durr.

The answer may lie partly in the fact that Dürr joined the slims group whereas Gail Chanfreau remained "loyal" to the French Tennis Federation..... I don't know what Judith Elian's take on the slims movement was, so this could be total nonsense!

Rollo
May 3rd, 2006, 05:05 PM
Posted by Andy T The answer may lie partly in the fact that Dürr joined the slims group whereas Gail Chanfreau remained "loyal" to the French Tennis Federation..... I don't know what Judith Elian's take on the slims movement was, so this could be total nonsense!

It might be nonsense-but the same could be said for leaving Durr off the list, so there might be something to what you posted!

Gourlay did get to the French final-and Gail's rank would be based in large part on her upset of Court at the French that year.

samn
May 3rd, 2006, 09:58 PM
It might be nonsense-but the same could be said for leaving Durr off the list, so there might be something to what you posted!

Gourlay did get to the French final-and Gail's rank would be based in large part on her upset of Court at the French that year.

Also, Judith Elian was once quoted in TENNIS magazine as saying that only the major events, (especially Wimbledon and the US Open) really matter, and that no one cares who won Stuttgart except for the statisticians. I don't remember how Gourlay, Chanfreau and Durr fared in the majors that year, but could that have influenced Elian's vote?

DavidK
May 9th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Hello
Perhaps you will find of interest:

American Lawn Tennis, Oct 20, 1938 p.31 lists 4 rankings. This thread now contains those of Ned Potter and A Wallis Myers. ALT also lists one from Pierre Gillou and one that they merely label as "ALT"

Pierre Gillou
1. Moody
2. Sperling
3. Marble
4. Jacobs
5. Fabyan
6. Jedrzejowska
7. Bundy
8. Mathieu
9. Wynne
10. Lumb

ALT
1. Moody
2. Marble
3. Jacobs
4. Sperling
5. Fabyan
6. Jedrzejowska
7. Wynne
8. Bundy
9. Mathieu
10. Lumb

Additionally in article by Potter he includes " a second ten would be composed of Bundy, Stammers, Miller, Hopman, Hardwick, Coyne, Scott, Ellis (nee Lizana), Stevenson and Wolfenden"

(I omiited the titles)

Wolfenden is interesting in that she is ranked only 9th in the US that year.

chris whiteside
May 9th, 2006, 06:18 PM
Also, Judith Elian was once quoted in TENNIS magazine as saying that only the major events, (especially Wimbledon and the US Open) really matter, and that no one cares who won Stuttgart except for the statisticians. I don't remember how Gourlay, Chanfreau and Durr fared in the majors that year, but could that have influenced Elian's vote?


In that case it would be interesting to see her rankings for 1980 if anyone had them. We do have her lists for 79 and 81.

preacherfan
May 13th, 2006, 06:10 PM
Does anyone have any top ten lists for 1982? John Barrett's are the only ones in this thread and he has a couple of questionable placements.

Rollo
May 14th, 2006, 12:55 AM
All contributions have been updated. A lot of thanks to Elegos7 and DavidK for the hard to find old rankings and Chris Whiteside, who's been the driving force behind this thread:)

Preacherfan-I'll see what I can dig up on 1982

Rollo
May 14th, 2006, 01:04 AM
1982 rankings added for World Tennis. Can anyone help with rankings from others for 1982? Tennis lists 4 or 5 because they do a composite ranking.

elegos7
Jun 25th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Here are Tingay’s rankings (from the World of Tennis annuals) between 1975 and 1989 (courtesy of Andrew T).

1975
1. Evert
2. King
3. Cawley
4. Navratilova
5. Wade
6. Court
7. Morozova
8. Sawamatsu
9. Heldman
10. Reid


1976
1. Evert
2. Cawley
3. Wade
4. Casals
5. Navratilova
6. Fromholtz
7. Reid
8. Barker
9. Jausovec
10. Morozova



1977
1. Evert
2. Wade
3. King
4. Navratilova
5. Barker
6. Reid
7. Turnbull
8. Casals
9. Stove
10. Jausovec

1978
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Cawley
4. Wade
5. King
6. Turnbull
7. Ruzici
8. Jausovec
9. Marsikova
10. Shriver


1979
1. Navratilova
2. Austin
3. Evert
4. King
5. Cawley
6. Wade
7. Fromholtz
8. Turnbull
9. Ruzici
10. Hanika


1980
1. Evert
2. Cawley
3. Austin
4. Navratilova
5. Mandlikova
6. King
7. Ruzici
8. Jaeger
9. Turnbull
10. K Jordan


1981
1. Austin
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Navratilova
5. Jaeger
6. Ruzici
7. Turnbull
8. Shriver
9. Hanika
10. Jausovec


1982
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Mandlikova
5. Potter
6. Austin
7. Shriver
8. Bunge
9. King
10. Hanika


1983
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Jaeger
4. Mandlikova
5. Hanika
6. Shriver
7. Jausovec
8. Temesvari
9. King
10. Durie


1984
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Manuela Maleeva
5. K Jordan
6. Shriver
7. Turnbull
8. Kohde-Kilsch
9. Bassett
10. Sukova


1985
1. Navratilova
2. Mandlikova
3. Evert
4. Shriver
5. Garrison
6. Sukova
7. Rinaldi
8. Kohde-Kilsch
9. Manuela Maleeva
10. Graf

1986
1. Navratilova
2. Evert
3. Mandlikova
4. Graf
5. Sukova
6. Shriver
7. Kohde-Kilsch
8. Manuela Maleeva
9. Sabatini
10. McNeil


1987
=1. Navratilova
=1. Graf
3. Evert
4. Mandlikova
5. Shriver
6. Sabatini
7. Sukova
8. McNeil
9. Manuela Maleeva
10. Garrison


1988
1. Graf
2. Navratilova
3. Sabatini
4. Evert
5. Shriver
6. Sukova
7. Zvereva
8. Kodhe-Kilsch
9. Garrison
10. Manuela Maleeva


1989
1. Graf
2. Sabatini
3. Navratilova
4. Sanchez
5. Evert
6. Sukova
7. Garrison
8. Manuela Maleeva
9. Novotna
10. Seles

Lance Tingay passed away after the 1989 season. John Barrett took over the rankings in World of Tennis.

Here are some missing rankings that I have from World Tennis (USA, compiled by the editors of the magazine, Collins, Flink and Amdur).

1984
1. Navratilova, Martina
2. Evert Lloyd, Chris
3. Mandlikova, Hana
4. Shriver, Pam
5. Maleeva, Manuela
6. Sukova, Helena
7. Kohde Kilsch, Claudia
8. Jordan, Kathy
9. Bassett, Carling
10. Garrison, Zina

1985
1. Navratilova, Martina
2. Evert Lloyd, Chris
3. Mandlikova, Hana
4. Kohde Kilsch, Claudia
5. Shriver, Pam
6. Garrison, Zina
7. Sukova, Helena
8. Rinaldi, Kathy
9. Graf, Steffi
10. Sabatini, Gabriela

1986
1. Navratilova, Martina
2. Evert Lloyd, Chris
3. Graf, Steffi
4. Mandlikova, Hana
5. Sukova, Helena
6. Shriver, Pam
7. Sabatini, Gabriela
8. Maleeva, Manuela
9. Kohde Kilsch, Claudia
10. McNeil, Lori

1987
1. Graf, Steffi
2. Navratilova, Martina
3. Evert, Chris
4. Shriver, Pam
5. Mandlikova, Hana
6. Sabatini, Gabriela
7. Sukova, Helena
8. Maleeva, Manuela
9. McNeil, Lori
10. Garrison, Zina

1988
1. Graf, Steffi
2. Navratilova, Martina
3. Sabatini, Gabriela
4. Evert, Chris
5. Shriver, Pam
6. Zvereva, Natalia
7. Sukova, Helena
8. Maleeva, Manuela
9. Garrison, Zina
10. Kohde Kilsch, Claudia

1989
1. Graf, Steffi
2. Navratilova, Martina
3. Sanchez, Arantxa
4. Sabatini, Gabriela
5. Evert, Chris
6. Seles, Monica
7. Garrison, Zina
8. Sukova, Helena
9. Maleeva, Manuela
10. Novotna, Jana

preacherfan
Jul 5th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Judith Elian's top ten for '74

1. Evert
2. Morozova
3. King
4. Goolagong
5. Casals
6. Melville
7. Wade
8. Hunt
9. Gunter
10. Heldman

Morozova at #2!? Never seen her higher than #4.

Hunt at #8. Must be the highest anyone ever ranked Lesley.

preacherfan
Jul 5th, 2006, 09:42 PM
USTA Rankings for '74
1. Evert
2. King
3. Casals
4. Gunter
5. Heldman
6. Kuykendall
7. Teeguarden
8. Ziegenfuss
9. J.Evert
10. Louie
11. Dupont
12. Newberry

chris whiteside
Jul 6th, 2006, 08:19 AM
I think it was previously said that Judith Elian considered tournaments outside the Slams to be almost irrelevant. Even just taking the Slams (Morozova was finalist at RG and Wimby) it's still hard to see how she could rank #2.

Our erstwhile friend Bud Collins gave Morozova the #8 spot although he also put Hunt in his top 10. Suffice to say that none of the other Tennis correspondents of the day agreed with either of them.

Mdme Elian was also the only correspondent in the world who placed Evert ahead of Navratilova in 1979.

It's because rankings are subjective that make them so interesting. I have looked at some of Tingay's in amazement and said "b***ocks" but yet it has eventually transpired that Blaster Panel Members have agreed with him.

elegos7
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I have found some additional rankings, that can be regarded as world rankings for those years.

1894

I have the Pastime classification of British players:
Mrs Hillyard scratch
Mrs Pine Coffin 3/6
Shackle 4/6
Jackson, Austin, Cooper 5/6

1896

The Lawn Tennis classification of British players (in alphabetical order):
Mrs Hillyard, Martin scratch
Cooper 1/6
Austin, Jackson, Mrs Pickering, Steedman 3/6

1897
The Lawn Tennis classification of British players (in alphabetical order):
Cooper, Mrs Hillyard scratch
Dyas, Pickering 1/6

1905

The Lawn Tennis and Badminton classification of British players and the American and Australian visitors:
1. Sutton 2. Wilson 3. Douglass 4. Hillyard 5. Thomson

Rollo
Dec 29th, 2006, 08:36 PM
Added Fred Perry's 1936 rankings-reminder to add Elegos' rankings!

chris whiteside
Feb 3rd, 2007, 09:56 PM
I have a list from World Tennis attributed to Judith Elian of L'Equipe for 1971 as follows:

1 Goolagong
2 King
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Durr
6 Wade
7 Melville
8 Masthoff
9 Gunter
10 Dalton

This is contradictory to the one posted in the thread.

chris whiteside
May 20th, 2007, 06:10 PM
1961

Denis Lalanne L'Equipe Paris

1 Mortimer
2 Smith
3 Haydon
4 Truman
5 Hard
6 Reynolds
7 Hantze
8 Ramirez
9 Kormoczy
10 Buding

samn
May 20th, 2007, 08:32 PM
1985
1. Navratilova
2. Mandlikova
3. Evert


What justification could there possibly be for ranking Mandlikova ahead of Evert in 1985?

Let's see: Evert reached three Slam finals (FO, W, AO) to Mandlikova's one (USO), and they both won one Slam title each.

Grand Slam titles: Evert 1, Mandlikova 1
Grand Slam finals: Evert 3, Mandlikova 1
Grand Slam record: Evert W/F/SF/F, Mandlikova QF/3R/W/SF
Season record: Evert 79-8 (10 titles), Mandlikova 59-14 (3 titles)
Head-to-head: 2-2
Losses: Evert (4x Navratilova, 2x Mandlikova, Jordan, Garrison), Mandlikova (Rinaldi, Lindqvist, Bassett, 3x Navratilova, 2x Evert, 2x Garrison, 2x Kohde Kilsch, Karlsson, Smylie)

The only way to bump Mandlikova to #2 is if one buys the notion that the US Open is a bigger tournament than the French Open and that head-to-head in Grand Slam events is all that matters for ranking purposes.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
May 20th, 2007, 09:47 PM
Does anyone know Chris Evert's ranking for 1971?

preacherfan
May 20th, 2007, 10:07 PM
There were not computer rankings in '71, but here are the lists of those so-called experts of the times. Some didn't rank Evert because she played very little. Others placed her in the lower part of the top ten, partly because of her great USO run and good wins and partly because after #7 or 8 no one really had strong, consistent results for that year. Rino Tomassi, who is often way out of line with his rankings, place her at #3 ahead of Court which is totally assinine.

1971

Björn Hellberg (from Tennis Tidning, Sweden )

1) Goolagong
2) King
3) Court
4) Casals
5) Dürr
6) Wade
7) Melville
8) Masthoff
9) Gunter
10 equal) Evert & Dalton

Bud Collins (of the Boston Globe)
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Melville
6 Durr
7 Wade
8 Masthoff
9 Tegart
10 Evert


Frank Rostron (England)
1. Evonne Goolagong
1. Billie Jean King 9co-ranked at #1)
3. Margaret Court
4. Rosie Casals
5. Kerry Melville
6. Francoise Durr
7. Judy Dalton
8. Chris Evert
9. Virginia Wade
10. Helga Mastoff

Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Goolagong
2 King
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Wade
6 Durr
7 Masthoff
8 Melville
9 Richey
10 Dalton



Lance Tingay
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Melville
6. Dalton
7. Durr
8. Wade
9. Masthoff
10. Evert

L'Equipe (presumably Judith Elian)

1) Goolagong
2) Court
3) King
4) Casals
5) Melville
6) Wade
7) Evert
8) Dalton
9) Gunter
10 Chanfreau and Gourlay


Rex Bellamy of the London Times
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Durr
6. Mastoff
7. Wade
8. Gunter
9. Melville
10. Ann Jones -GB

Rino Tomassi
1.King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Richey
6. Casals
7. Reid
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Masthoff

chris whiteside
May 21st, 2007, 06:31 PM
There were not computer rankings in '71, but here are the lists of those so-called experts of the times. Some didn't rank Evert because she played very little. Others placed her in the lower part of the top ten, partly because of her great USO run and good wins and partly because after #7 or 8 no one really had strong, consistent results for that year. Rino Tomassi, who is often way out of line with his rankings, place her at #3 ahead of Court which is totally assinine.

Rino Tomassi

1.King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Richey
6. Casals
7. Reid
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Masthoff


Rino Tomassi devised his own system whereby a win over a top 5 player was worth 3 wins, one over a player ranked #6-14 worth 2 and one over a player ranked 15 - 25/40/50 depending on his cut-off point for the period was taken at face value. All losses were taken into consideration and the final list was the percentage of "wins" against "wins" plus losses.

His lists did have some credibilty although it obviously and against normal ranking tradition meant that wins in lesser events counted for the same as those of Slams etc. If you happened to come up and lost against the top couple of players a lot of times it dragged your average down. IMO, losing continually to those at the top doesn't really tell you anything in relation to someone's record against others. For example in 1971, Casals average is dragged down by a whopping 28 losses, however no less than 11 of these were to King.

If it was done correctly, and I have no reason to suppose it wasn't, it was one heck of a job for the records would have to be updated weekly because of the differences awarded to wins over the #s 5 and 6, or 14 and 15 or those outside the cut-off point. It would also mean that if someone outside the list had a win over a ranked player then their opponent in the next round had nothing to gain.

I only wish I had known of these at the time for within his own criteria the 1971 would appear to be wrong. Going by 1970, it obviously didn't matter if a player eschewed the Slams (he ranked Jones #7). It also seemed as if it didn't matter if a player left the scene during the season i.e. Court is ranked #4. In this case there is no reason why Ann Jones should not be ranked as she played 19 events plus Federation Cup up to her retirement in April ( notably Nancy Richey only played 12 events throughout the year.) It is obviously impossible to work out the percentages correctly unless you started at the beginning and progressed on a weekly basis but allowing Nancy everything she might have got and Ann the very minimum Jones of the two is marginally ahead.

Most correspondents of the day didn't rank Evert in the top 10 as she only played 4 senior events plus the Wightman Cup and felt this was insufficient, the few that did put her at the bottom of the top 10. Chris finishes at #3 on Tomassi's list because she only had 1 loss at junior level and had excellent results in the few senior tournaments she did play including winning St. Petersburg and reaching the semis at USO with wins during the year over Durr, Eisel, Heldman, Stove, Wade and King (due to a default.)

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
May 21st, 2007, 10:23 PM
...and had excellent results in the few senior tournaments she did play including winning St. Petersburg and reaching the semis at USO with wins during the year over Durr, Eisel, Heldman, Stove, Wade and King (due to a default.)

Which tournament did she win against King (due to default)? The sentence is confusing because Chris got whupped by King at the USO.

chris whiteside
May 22nd, 2007, 12:23 PM
Which tournament did she win against King (due to default)? The sentence is confusing because Chris got whupped by King at the USO.


Evert beat King in the semis of the St. Petersburg tournament.

BJ had missed the previous week's event the Caribe Hilton and was said to have gotten out of her sickbed to support the Masters event. She beat Gilchrist and Krantzcke and came up against the local 16-year-old prodigy Chris Evert. BJ won the first set 7-6 but after losing the second 3-6 she then defaulted. Sadly, Ann Jones who was the third best player on the tour after BJ and Rosie Casals had her one bad result at this event losing to Julie Heldman in the 2nd round. This prevented what would have been the only meeting between Chris and Ann, one of the top 5 claycourt players of the 60s,and it would have been interesting to see how that one went.

Maybe BJ wasn't fully recovered by the next week. The World Pro Championships in Las Vegas, entry for which was based on results from the previous tournaments, was originally intended to be the Tour Finale (it had proved so successful extra dates were subsequently organised) but saw her lose in the final to Ann Jones who won the highest purse ever offered to the women at that stage - a whole $9,000! This was Jones' first win in 10 meetings with BJ since the end of 1969.

nelslus
May 22nd, 2007, 07:19 PM
Evert beat King in the semis of the St. Petersburg tournament.

BJ had missed the previous week's event the Caribe Hilton and was said to have gotten out of her sickbed to support the Masters event. She beat Gilchrist and Krantzcke and came up against the local 16-year-old prodigy Chris Evert. BJ won the first set 7-6 but after losing the second 3-6 she then defaulted. Sadly, Ann Jones who was the third best player on the tour after BJ and Rosie Casals had her one bad result at this event losing to Julie Heldman in the 2nd round. This prevented what would have been the only meeting between Chris and Ann, one of the top 5 claycourt players of the 60s,and it would have been interesting to see how that one went.

Maybe BJ wasn't fully recovered by the next week. The World Pro Championships in Las Vegas, entry for which was based on results from the previous tournaments, was originally intended to be the Tour Finale (it had proved so successful extra dates were subsequently organised) but saw her lose in the final to Ann Jones who won the highest purse ever offered to the women at that stage - a whole $6,000! This was Jones' first win in 10 meetings with BJ since the end of 1969.

Wasn't this the match where Ann kept limping and stalling so much, distracting BJK just enough to lose? :eek:

chris whiteside
May 23rd, 2007, 09:51 AM
Wasn't this the match where Ann kept limping and stalling so much, distracting BJK just enough to lose? :eek:

Never heard about this. Only ever read one revirew of the match in the American magazine World Tennis (sic):

"The singles final was a very strange match. Ann was exhausted from four continuous months of tennis. All week she and husband Pip kept singing "Leaving On A Jet Plane." She was not nervous in the final because no matter what happened, she could go back to her garden in Birmingham the next day. And on the other side of the net Billie Jean King, our fiery No. 1, was strangely lackadaisical. Not once did she scream at herself to move or berate herself for a just-short-of-perfect volley. Calmly she hung her head and lost 7-5 6-4. Ann did everything right. She kept the ball going in conditions that were so miserable that one competitor swore that we must have been in Bournemouth instead of Vegas. In the end Ann attacked, and her tactics proved fruitful when she finally won the 4-4 all game in the second set after about 15 deuces. In the last game Billie Jean, the famous fighter, netted two easy backhand volleys, her bread and butter shot, and Jones won the $9,000."

Doesn't really seem to tie up with your suggestion. Nelslus. Billie Jean had a really tough match with her former nemesis Nancy Richey in the quarters wiining 6-4 in the final set.

nelslus
May 23rd, 2007, 07:34 PM
Never heard about this. Only ever read one revirew of the match in the American magazine World Tennis (sic):

"The singles final was a very strange match. Ann was exhausted from four continuous months of tennis. All week she and husband Pip kept singing "Leaving On A Jet Plane." She was not nervous in the final because no matter what happened, she could go back to her garden in Birmingham the next day. And on the other side of the net Billie Jean King, our fiery No. 1, was strangely lackadaisical. Not once did she scream at herself to move or berate herself for a just-short-of-perfect volley. Calmly she hung her head and lost 7-5 6-4. Ann did everything right. She kept the ball going in conditions that were so miserable that one competitor swore that we must have been in Bournemouth instead of Vegas. In the end Ann attacked, and her tactics proved fruitful when she finally won the 4-4 all game in the second set after about 15 deuces. In the last game Billie Jean, the famous fighter, netted two easy backhand volleys, her bread and butter shot, and Jones won the $9,000."

Doesn't really seem to tie up with your suggestion. Nelslus. Billie Jean had a really tough match with her former nemesis Nancy Richey in the quarters wiining 6-4 in the final set.

Chris: Sorry, I was just playin' with your head. I know how upset you remain with the Wightman Cup match with BJK and Ann- so, I was just tryin' to get your goat by DARING to suggest that the Regal Ms. Jones would ever deign to allow herself to behave in such an unseemly manner, much less with the less-than-seemly-at-times BJK on the same court. Made it all up, thought you'd get my attempt at satire.

Apparently for the first time in my life, nelslus' humor was too subtle. :drool:

chris whiteside
May 24th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Chris: Sorry, I was just playin' with your head. I know how upset you remain with the Wightman Cup match with BJK and Ann- so, I was just tryin' to get your goat by DARING to suggest that the Regal Ms. Jones would ever deign to allow herself to behave in such an unseemly manner, much less with the less-than-seemly-at-times BJK on the same court. Made it all up, thought you'd get my attempt at satire.

Apparently for the first time in my life, nelslus' humor was too subtle. :drool:

Subtle as a sledgehammer. I fell for that one but then having only read the one report it is possible that someone else saw the match another way e.g. 1964 Wimby final Smith v Bueno - was it a classic or a bummer?

Also, if I had been told that Ann used to start hitting drop shots at her opponents during the knock-up I would have pooh-poohed such nonsense but no less a personage than Nancy Richey told us that!

nelslus
Aug 14th, 2007, 12:38 AM
bump.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 14th, 2007, 12:54 PM
Does anyone know how to pull up yearly rankings along w/the points ?

chris whiteside
Sep 27th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Computer rankings began in 1975 but it has been suggested that "official" lists were issued by the WTA in 1973 and 1974. These could be very well be those attributed to Bud Collins in those years.

I have never heard of these but my knowledge is very sketchy after the early 70s.

Does anyone have any info on this?

Looking at the respective records in 1974 it would be very hard to see how King could finish ahead of Evert.

AndrewTas
Dec 6th, 2007, 06:18 AM
I know these are not world rankings but didnt have a thread to put them in. These are the Australian official rankings between 1930 (first for women) until 1977/78.

1930 (To 31st March 1930)

1. D Akhurst
=2. RR Harper
=2. L Bickerton
4. M Molesworth
5. E Hood
6. M Cox
7. K Le Messurier
8. G Toyne
9. U Valkenburg
10. D Dingle


1931 (To 31st March 1931)

1. M Cox Crawford
2. C Buttsworth
3. M Molesworth
4. RR Harper
5. L Bickerton
6. U Valkenburg
7. F Hoddle Wrigley
8. K Le Messurier
9. J Hartigan
10. V Westacott


1932 (To 31st March 1932)

1. C Buttsworth
2. J Hartigan
3. M Molesworth
4. K Le Messurier
5. F Hoddle Wrigley
6. V Westacott
7. M Cox Crawford
8. GB Toyne
9. N Hall
10. D Weston


1933 (To 31st March 1933)

1. J Hartigan
2. M Cox Crawford
=3. C Buttsworth
=3. M Molesworth
=3. V Westacott
6. N Hall
7. K Le Messurier
8. F Hoddle Wrigley
9. N Lewis
10. U Valkenburg


1934 (To 31st March 1934)
1. J Hartigan
2. M Molesworth
3. L Bickerton
4. V Westacott
5. N Chitty
6. N Hall Hopman
7. D Weston
8. F Hoddle Wrigley
9. K Le Messurier
10. A Hattersley


1935 (To 31st March 1935)
1. J Hartigan
2. V Westacott
3. N Hall Hopman
4. L Bickerton
5. T Coyne
6. A Hattersley
7. N Chitty
8. M Blick
9. J Walters
=10. D Stevenson
=10. N Wynne


1936 (To 31st March 1936)
=1. J Hartigan
=1. T Coyne
3. N Wynne
4. N Hall Hopman
5. M Blick
=6. A Hattersley
=6. D Stevenson
8. G Griffiths
9. D Weston
=10. M Hardcastle
=10. J Wilson


1937 (To 31st March 1937)
1. N Wynne
2. T Coyne
3. V Westacott
4. J Hartigan
5. N Hall Hopman
6. D Stevenson
7. M Wilson
8. M Blick
9. V Selwin
10. M Hardcastle


1938 (To 31st March 1938)
1. N Wynne
2. T Coyne
=3. N Hall Hopman
=3. D Stevenson
5. J Hartigan
6. M Hardcastle
7. V Westacott
8. M Blick
9. G O'Halloran
10. V Selwin


1939 (To 31st March 1939)
1. V Westacott
2. N Hall Hopman
3. N Wynne
4. T Coyne
5. J Hartigan
6. D Stevenson
7. A Hattersley
8. M Blick
9. M Hardcastle
10. S Berryman


1940 (To 31st March 1940)
1. N Wynne Bolton
2. T Coyne Long
3. N Hall Hopman
4. J Hartigan
5. J Menzies
6. M Hardcastle
7. Mrs Waddell
8. A Hattersley
9. D Maugher
10. G O'Halloran


1945/ 1946
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Nell Hall Hopman
3. Thelma Coyne Long
4. Joyce Fitch
5. Constance Coate Wilson
6. Alison Hattersley
7. Patricia Jones
8. Marie Toomey
9. Joan Hartigan
10. Dulcie Whittaker


1946/ 1947
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Thelma Coyne Long
3. Nell Hall Hopman
4. Joyce Fitch
5. Patricia Jones
6. Constance Coate Wilson
7. Marie Toomey
8. Sadie Berryman Newcombe
9. Dulcie Whittaker
10. Mary Bevis


1947/ 1948
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Thelma Coyne Long
3. Mary Bevis
4. Marie Toomey
5. Dulcie Whittaker
6. Esme Ashford
7. Nell Hall Hopman
8. Sadie Berryman Newcombe
9. Dorothy Jenkins
10. Patricia Jones


1948/ 1949 (Released April 11, 1949)
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Thelma Coyne Long
3. Joyce Fitch
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Marie Toomey
6. Dulcie Whittaker Young
7. Esme Ashford
8. Alison Burton Baker
9. Nell Hall Hopman
10. Sadie Berryman Newcombe


1949/ 1950
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Joyce Fitch
3. Thelma Coyne Long
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Esme Ashford
6. Nell Hall Hopman
7. Sadie Berryman Newcombe
8. Marie Toomey Martin
9. Clare Proctor
10. Gwen Thiele


1950/ 1951
1. Nancye Wynne Bolton
2. Joyce Fitch
3. Esme Ashford
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Beryl Penrose
6. Nell Hall Hopman
7. Sadie Berryman Newcombe
8. Dorn Fogarty
9. Pam Southcombe
10. Beverley Mance


1951/ 1952 (Released June 16 1952)
1. Thelma Coyne Long
2. Nancye Wynne Bolton
3. Helen Angwin
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Beryl Penrose
6. Esme Ashford
7. Clare Proctor
8. Pam Southcombe
9. Beverly Mance Rae
10. Gwen Thiele


1952/ 1953 (Released on May 18 1953)
1. Mary Bevis Hawton
2. Beryl Penrose
3. Dorn Fogarty
4. Helen Angwin
5. Pam Southcombe
6. Loris Nichols
7. Jenny Staley
8. Mary Carter
9. Norma Ellis
10. Gwen Thiele


1953/ 1954 (Released May 17 1954)
1. Thelma Coyne Long
2. Jenny Staley
3. Mary Bevis Hawton
4. Beryl Penrose
5. Mary Carter
6. Fay Muller
7. Helen Angwin
8. Norma Ellis
9. Loris Nichols
10. Daphne Seeney



1954/ 1955 (Released May 16 1955)
1. Beryl Penrose
2. Thelma Coyne Long
3. Jenny Staley
4. Mary Carter
5. Mary Bevis Hawton
6. Fay Muller
7. Elizabeth Orton
8. Margaret Hellyer
9. Loris Nichols
10. Daphne Seeney


1955/ 1956 (Released April 16 1956)
1. Mary Carter
2. Mary Bevis Hawton
3. Beryl Penrose
4. Fay Muller
5. Daphne Seeney
6. Loris Nichols
7. Lorraine Coghlan
8. Margaret Hellyer
9. Maureen McCalman
10. Beth Jones


1956/ 1957 (Released May 20 1956)
1. Beryl Penrose Collier
2. Lorraine Coghlan
3. Mary Carter Reitano
4. Margaret Hellyer
5. Mary Bevis Hawton
6. Fay Muller Robinson
7. Beth Jones
8. Jenny Staley Hoad
9. Beverley Mance Rae
10. Pat Parmenter


1957/ 1958 (Released April 21 1958)
1. Lorraine Coghlan
2. Beryl Penrose Collier
3. Mary Carter Reitano
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Jan Lehane
6. Maureen McCalman
7. Betty Holstein
8. Margot Rayson
9. Pat Parmenter
10. Beth Jones



1958/ 1959 (Released April 19 1959)
1. Mary Carter Reitano
2. Jan Lehane
3. Lorraine Coghlan
4. Mary Bevis Hawton
5. Beverley Mance Rae
6. Thelma Coyne Long
7. Betty Holstein
8. Maureen Pratt
9. Noelene Turner
10. Lesley Turner


1959/ 1960
1. Jan Lehane
2. Margaret Smith
3. Mary Carter Reitano
4. Lorraine Coghlan Robinson
5. Lesley Turner
6. Beverley Mance Rae
7. Fay Muller Robinson
8. Betty Holstein
9. Margaret Hellyer
10. Madonna Schacht

1960/ 1961 (Released April 18 1961)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Jan Lehane
3. Lesley Turner
4. Mary Carter Reitano
5. Mary Bevis Hawton
6. Maureen McCalman Pratt
7. Fay Muller Robinson
8. Robyn Ebbern
9. Jill Blackman
10. Madonna Schacht


1961/62 (Released April 16 1962)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Jan Lehane
3. Lesley Turner
4. Mary Carter Reitano
5. Robyn Ebbern
6. Judy Tegart
7. Madonna Schacht
8. Jill Blackman
9. Norma Marsh
10. Fay Muller Robinson


1962/63 (Released April 24 1963)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Lesley Turner
3. Jan Lehane
4. Robyn Ebbern
5. Jill Blackman
6. Madonna Schacht
7. Kay Dening
8. Judy Tegart
9. Carol Newman
10. Joan Gibson


1963/64 (Released April 20 1964)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Lesley Turner
3. Jan Lehane
4. Robyn Ebbern
5. Judy Tegart
6. Madonna Schacht
7. Kay Dening
8. Gail Sherriff
9. Joan Gibson
=10. Kerry Melville
=10. Helen Gourlay


1964/ 1965 (Released April 26 1965)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Lesley Turner
3. Robyn Ebbern
4. Judy Tegart
5. Madonna Schacht
6. Gail Sherriff
7. Jill Blackman
8. Joan Gibson
9. Kerry Melville
10. Helen Gourlay

1965/ 1966 (Released April 27 1966)
1. Margaret Smith
2. Lesley Turner
3. Judy Tegart
4. Joan Gibson
5. Gail Sherriff
6. Jan Lehane
7. Madonna Schacht
8. Karen Krantzcke
9. Kerry Melville
10. Elizabeth Fenton


1966/ 1967 (Released April 17 1967)
1. Lesley Turner
2. Kerry Melville
3. Judy Tegart
4. Karen Krantzcke
5. Gail Sherriff
6. Joan Gibson
7. Lorraine Coghlan Robinson
8. Jan Lehane O’Neill
9. Jill Blackman
10. Elizabeth Fenton
11. Fay Toyne
12. Helen Gourlay
13. A Lexie Kenny
14. Brenda Jenkins
=15. Merrill Jones
=15. Mrs L Nette



1967/ 1968 (Year ending Mar 31,1968)
1. Judy Tegart
2. Lesley Turner Bowrey
3. Kerry Melville
4. Margaret Smith Court
5. Karen Krantzcke
6. Gail Sherriff
7. Helen Gourlay
8. Lesley Hunt
9. Jill Blackman
=10. Evonne Goolagong
=10. Brenda Jenkins
12. Kerry Harris
13. Elizabeth Fenton
14. Kaye Dening
15. A Lexie Kenny


1968/ 1969 (Year ending Mar 31,1969)
1. Margaret Smith Court
2. Kerry Melville
=3. Karen Krantzcke
=3. Judy Tegart
5. Gail Sherriff Chanfreau
6. Lesley Turner Bowrey
7. Helen Gourlay
8. Lesley Hunt
9. Kerry Harris
10. Evonne Goolagong
11. Janet Young
12. Wendy Gilchrist
13. A Lexie Kenny
14. Helen Amos
15. Barbara Hawcroft


1969/ 1970 (Year ending Mar 31,1970)
1. Margaret Smith Court
2. Kerry Melville
3. Karen Krantzcke
4. Judy Tegart Dalton
5. Lesley Hunt
6. Evonne Goolagong
7. Kerry Harris
8. Wendy Gilchrist
9. Janet Young
10. Jan Lehane O'Neill


1970/ 1971 (Year ending Mar 31,1971)
1. Margaret Smith Court
2. Evonne Goolagong
3. Lesley Hunt
4. Helen Gourlay
5. Kerry Harris
6. Barbara Hawcroft
7. Patti Coleman
8. Anne Coleman
9. Pat Edwards
10. Wendy Turnbull


1971/ 1972 (Year ending Mar 31,1972)
1. Evonne Goolagong
2. Helen Gourlay
3. Patti Coleman
4. Barbara Hawcroft
5. Kerry Harris
6. Janet Young
7. Jan Lehane O'Neill
8. Marilyn Tesch
9. Sally Irvine
10. Pat Edwards


1972/ 1973 (Year ending Mar 31,1973)
1. Margaret Smith Court
2. Evonne Goolagong
3. Kerry Melville
4. Karen Krantzcke
5. Patti Coleman
6. Kerry Harris
7. Helen Gourlay
8. Janet Young
9. Dianne Fromholtz
10. Barbara Hawcroft
11. Wendy Turnbull
12. Marilyn Tesch


1973/ 1974 (Year ending Mar 31,1974)
1. Margaret Smith Court
2. Evonne Goolagong
3. Kerry Melville
4. Lesley Hunt
5. Karen Krantzcke
6. Kerry Harris
7. Janet Young
8. Dianne Fromholtz
9. Helen Gourlay
10. Judy Tegart Dalton
11. Patti Coleman
12. Wendy Turnbull


1974/ 1975 (Year ending Mar 31,1975)
1. Evonne Goolagong Cawley
2. Margaret Smith Court
3. Kerry Melville Reid
4. Lesley Hunt
5. Karen Krantzcke
6. Dianne Fromholtz
7. Helen Gourlay
8. Janet Young
9. Kerry Harris
10. Christine Matison
11. Wendy Turnbull
12. Lesley Turner Bowrey


1975/ 1976 (Year ending Mar 31,1976)
1. Evonne Goolagong Cawley
2. Margaret Smith Court
3. Dianne Fromholtz
4. Kerry Melville Reid
5. Lesley Hunt
6. Cynthia Seiler Doerner
7. Helen Gourlay
8. Wendy Turnbull
9. Chris O'Neill
10. Lesley Turner Bowrey
11. Christine Matison
12. Judy Tegart Dalton
13. Jenny Young
14. Nerida Gregory
=15. Kaye Hallam
=15. Jan Wilton
17. Jenny Dimond
18. Kym Ruddell
19. Jenny Walker
=20. Julie Hanrahan
=20. Dianne Evers


1976/ 1977 (Year ending March 31 1977)
1. Evonne Goolagong Cawley
2. Kerry Melville Reid
3. Dianne Fromholtz
4. Margaret Smith Court
5. Wendy Turnbull
6. Lesley Turner Bowrey
7. Karen Krantzcke
8. Helen Gourlay Cawley
9. Jan Lehane O'Neill
10. Jan Wilton
11. Mary Sawyer
12. Pam Whytcross
13. Nerida Gregory
14. Jenny Walker
15. Pam Bailey
16. Amanda Tobin
17. Kym Ruddell
18. Suzanne Saliba
19. Chris O'Neill
20. Christine Matison


1977/ 1978 (Released May 1978)
1. Evonne Goolagong Cawley
2. Kerry Melville Reid
3. Wendy Turnbull
4. Dianne Fromholtz
5. Helen Gourlay Cawley
6. Lesley Hunt
7. Pam Whytcross
8. Amanda Tobin
9. Diane Evers
10. Nerida Gregory
11. Suzanne Saliba
12. Mary Sawyer
13. Kym Ruddell
14. Kaye Hallam
15. Leanne Harrison
16. Keryn Pratt
17. Wendy Paish
18. Jan Wilton
19. Pam Bailey
20. Christine Matison

Johnny O
Dec 6th, 2007, 06:42 AM
These lists make very interesting reading. Thanks so much for sharing! Some really odd things leaped out at my straight away, firstly the absence of Judy Dalton after 1969/1970. She was still playing and indeed was a Wimbledon semi-finalist in 1971, but wasn't ranked in Australia. Odd. Margaret Court being off the list for 71/72 seems odd too, as she played up to Wimbledon in 71 and surely played enough to make the list? Most interesting was seeing Jan Lehane still listed well into the late 70's. I thought she'd retired years before in the 60's! Fascinating to see her still around so late. Great post, thanks again!

preacherfan
Dec 6th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Melville Reid and Tegart Dalton were banned from playing the national championships for committing to play the Slims tour in the early 70's. Thus they must've been omitted from the national rankings.

Johnny O
Dec 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Melville Reid and Tegart Dalton were banned from playing the national championships for committing to play the Slims tour in the early 70's. Thus they must've been omitted from the national rankings.

Makes sense. I hadn't spotted that Melville was off the list, but she too disappears after 1970, returning 3 years later. Perhaps the Aussie association stopped banning players when Margaret & Evonne joined the Slims tour in 72. Had they gone on banning, all the top Aussies would be unranked in their own country.

chris whiteside
Aug 3rd, 2009, 01:07 PM
Rino Tomassi's rankings for 1971 can be seen on Page 4.

Even by his own system I think there is an error in them unless he explained his reasoning at the time.

Ann Jones had as good a win/loss ratio as many of those listed - in fact she beat Kerry Melville five times and Nancy Richey three - and on my calculations would easily make his list. If she was left out because she had retired pregnant fair enough BUT the same should also then apply to Margaret Court.

If on the other hand she was left out because she did not compete in any Slams then why did he rank her in 1970 when the situation was the same?

iainmac
Aug 3rd, 2009, 05:15 PM
Rino Tomassi's rankings for 1971 can be seen on Page 4.

Even by his own system I think there is an error in them unless he explained his reasoning at the time.

Ann Jones had as good a win/loss ratio as many of those listed - in fact she beat Kerry Melville five times and Nancy Richey three - and on my calculations would easily make his list. If she was left out because she had retired pregnant fair enough BUT the same should also then apply to Margaret Court.

If on the other hand she was left out because she did not compete in any Slams then why did he rank her in 1970 when the situation was the same?

Chris, do you know what the fundamental reason for Ann not playing any more slam singles after 69 was? She still seemed to be playing world class tennis.:)

chris whiteside
Aug 3rd, 2009, 06:27 PM
Chris, do you know what the fundamental reason for Ann not playing any more slam singles after 69 was? She still seemed to be playing world class tennis.:)

I'm not claiming 100% accuracy but very roughly I calculate Jones around .724 in 1971, Richey .682 and Reid .645 in 1971.

Nothing concrete but probably she just felt she had nothing really left to strive for after winning Wimby in 1969.

As a Brit (or Scot if you want to fight about it:))you will know the intense pressure our sports stars are put under at the slightest whiff of success. Despite saying that it doesn't affect him, I feel it must to at least some degree and was perhaps that vital difference in AndyM's semi defeat this year. I'm beginning to get bad vibes about his lack of positivity.

After winning the BBC Sports Personality Of The Year in 1969 Mrs Jones says that it really only then began to sink in what winning The Championships meant in Britain and she didn't think she could go through it again at the very highest level at her now age of 31. If she had been younger and perhaps had the chance to make it 3-in-a-row there would have been some enthusiasm.

Immediately after Wimbledon in 1969 the British Media began following her to a load of obscure McCall professional events and it seemed to get to her. At the same time her shoulder began to give trouble again. Just how bad this was I have no way of knowing but personally - and I stress I have absolutely nothing concrete to base this on - I think thee may also have been a psychological aspect to her withdrawal from the USO.

In announcing her decision not to play again at Wimbledon Ann said that this did not preclude her from competing at other Slams but, of course, she never did. The reason given for her eschewing RG in 1970 was that the LTA wanted her to play the grass court events in the UK so that she could practise a doubles partnership with Joyce Williams in preparation for the Wightman Cup. When they had asked her to something similar in 1966 she had politely told them where to shove it.

I think too physically she had slowed down slightly and hadn't the same stamina to really fight out long matches. I don't believe the Ann Haydon of the early sixties on clay would have lost the 1968 RG final to Nancy Richey after having a match-winning position in the second set, similarly against Julie Heldman in the Italian semis of 1969. In those matches she won only one of the last eleven and ten games respectively!!

She had begun volleying a lot more to cut down the duration of matches. It is rather interesting considering most regard her best surface as clay that her worst results came on this surface towards the end of her career.

In 1970 for example she lost to Judy Dalton early in the British Hard Courts and then beat her on grass at Eastbourne (where she then beat Virginia to win the title). On the Slims circuit in 1971 where she beat Reid 5 times, Richey 3 times and Durr twice apart from regularly getting trounced by BJ most weeks her only "bad" result was on clay at St Petersburg where she lost to Julie Heldman.

Probably basically she decided that the pressure had just become too much for her.

DennisFitz
Aug 4th, 2009, 05:55 AM
1971

Björn Hellberg (from Tennis Tidning, Sweden )

1) Goolagong
2) King
3) Court
4) Casals
5) Dürr
6) Wade
7) Melville
8) Masthoff
9) Gunter
10 equal) Evert & Dalton

Bud Collins (of the Boston Globe)
1 King
2 Goolagong
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Melville
6 Durr
7 Wade
8 Masthoff
9 Tegart
10 Evert


Frank Rostron (England)
1. Evonne Goolagong
1. Billie Jean King 9co-ranked at #1)
3. Margaret Court
4. Rosie Casals
5. Kerry Melville
6. Francoise Durr
7. Judy Dalton
8. Chris Evert
9. Virginia Wade
10. Helga Mastoff

Joseph Macauley of World Tennis
1 Goolagong
2 King
3 Court
4 Casals
5 Wade
6 Durr
7 Masthoff
8 Melville-Reid
9 Richey
10 Dalton



Lance Tingay
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Melville
6. Dalton
7. Durr
8. Wade
9. Masthoff
10. Evert

L'Equipe (presumably Judith Elian)

1) Goolagong
2) Court
3) King
4) Casals
5) Melville
6) Wade
7) Evert
8) Dalton
9) Gunter
10 Chanfreau and Gourlay


Rex Bellamy of the London Times
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Durr
6. Mastoff
7. Wade
8. Gunter
9. Melville
10. Ann Jones -GB

Rino Tomassi
1.King
2. Goolagong
3. Evert
4. Court
5. Richey
6. Casals
7. Reid
8. Wade
9. Durr
10. Masthoff

Ah so here it is, the infamous Tomassi ranks Chris Evert world #3 in 1971.

Even Steve Flink and Chris herself would laugh at that one!

But this is the first time I've seen this thread of year to year rankings, much fun to peruse!

iainmac
Aug 4th, 2009, 11:09 AM
I'm not claiming 100% accuracy but very roughly I calculate Jones around .724 in 1971, Richey .682 and Reid .645 in 1971.

Nothing concrete but probably she just felt she had nothing really left to strive for after winning Wimby in 1969.

As a Brit (or Scot if you want to fight about it:))you will know the intense pressure our sports stars are put under at the slightest whiff of success. Despite saying that it doesn't affect him, I feel it must to at least some degree and was perhaps that vital difference in AndyM's semi defeat this year. I'm beginning to get bad vibes about his lack of positivity.

After winning the BBC Sports Personality Of The Year in 1969 Mrs Jones says that it really only then began to sink in what winning The Championships meant in Britain and she didn't think she could go through it again at the very highest level at her now age of 31. If she had been younger and perhaps had the chance to make it 3-in-a-row there would have been some enthusiasm.

Immediately after Wimbledon in 1969 the British Media began following her to a load of obscure McCall professional events and it seemed to get to her. At the same time her shoulder began to give trouble again. Just how bad this was I have no way of knowing but personally - and I stress I have absolutely nothing concrete to base this on - I think thee may also have been a psychological aspect to her withdrawal from the USO.

In announcing her decision not to play again at Wimbledon Ann said that this did not preclude her from competing at other Slams but, of course, she never did. The reason given for her eschewing RG in 1970 was that the LTA wanted her to play the grass court events in the UK so that she could practise a doubles partnership with Joyce Williams in preparation for the Wightman Cup. When they had asked her to something similar in 1966 she had politely told them where to shove it.

I think too physically she had slowed down slightly and hadn't the same stamina to really fight out long matches. I don't believe the Ann Haydon of the early sixties on clay would have lost the 1968 RG final to Nancy Richey after having a match-winning position in the second set, similarly against Julie Heldman in the Italian semis of 1969. In those matches she won only one of the last eleven and ten games respectively!!

She had begun volleying a lot more to cut down the duration of matches. It is rather interesting considering most regard her best surface as clay that her worst results came on this surface towards the end of her career.

In 1970 for example she lost to Judy Dalton early in the British Hard Courts and then beat her on grass at Eastbourne (where she then beat Virginia to win the title). On the Slims circuit in 1971 where she beat Reid 5 times, Richey 3 times and Durr twice apart from regularly getting trounced by BJ most weeks her only "bad" result was on clay at St Petersburg where she lost to Julie Heldman.

Probably basically she decided that the pressure had just become too much for her.

Thanks for that Chris- very interesting. I agree re Murray- I have never been as convinced as some experts that he will win a slam. I hope so though. As for Jones, you can understand that she had achieved the pinnacle of her career and did not want to continue at GS level.Still that was some great stuff that she played in 1970. To beat Dalton and Wade to win Eastbourne was fantastic. It is strange that she lost those matches on clay from a winning position. That was indicative of an abandonment of her old style of playing on clay?

iainmac
Aug 4th, 2009, 11:11 AM
Ah so here it is, the infamous Tomassi ranks Chris Evert world #3 in 1971.

Even Steve Flink and Chris herself would laugh at that one!

But this is the first time I've seen this thread of year to year rankings, much fun to peruse!

Yes it is very good reading this thread. And I have to say some of the rankings are bizarre!!!

chris whiteside
Aug 4th, 2009, 12:03 PM
I agree re Murray- I have never been as convinced as some experts that he will win a slam. I hope so though. As for Jones, it is strange that she lost those matches on clay from a winning position. That was indicative of an abandonment of her old style of playing on clay?

I was pretty positive until a couple of months ago - he has the game but unfortunately he is showing this propensity to play not to lose rather than to go all out for the win. Will we look back in several years time and say that when he played his third set tie-break set point against Roddick that way that was when he lost his opportunity to win a Slam? Federer won Wimby not playing that well and I am convinced AndyM would have taken him in the final, which I believe he would have reached had he gone 2-1 up against AndyR.

No, Ann simply ran into a brick wall - she had nothing left in the tank. In the French final of 1968 in particular she had a set point at 5-1 in the first set but then was caught at 5-5 and worked so hard to close it out at 7-5 and lead 4-2 in the second that she had no reserves left. In the last four games of the second set she won ONE point. In those days they were permitted a break at set-all in a match and after this she had just enough left to get to 1-1. The rest of the match was emarrassing.

Similarly she "collapsed" physically when leading Julie Heldman 6-4 4-3 with a break in the semis. Quite simply she just didn't have the same stamina she had in the early sixties when she could have run til the cows came home - this was counterbalanced to some degree by her match experience and better volleying.

iainmac
Aug 4th, 2009, 12:08 PM
I was pretty positive until a couple of months ago - he has the game but unfortunately he is showing this propensity to play not to lose rather than to go all out for the win. Will we look back in several years time and say that when he played his third set tie-break set point against Roddick that way that was when he lost his opportunity to win a Slam? Federer won Wimby not playing that well and I am convinced AndyM would have taken him in the final, which I believe he would have reached had he gone 2-1 up against AndyR.

No, Ann simply ran into a brick wall - she had nothing left in the tank. In the French final of 1968 in particular she had a set point at 5-1 in the first set but then was caught at 5-5 and worked so hard to close it out at 7-5 and lead 4-2 in the second that she had no reserves left. In the last four games of the second set she won ONE point. In those days they were permitted a break at set-all in a match and after this she had just enough left to get to 1-1. The rest of the match was emarrassing.

Similarly she "collapsed" physically when leading Julie Heldman 6-4 4-3 with a break in the semis. Quite simply she just didn't have the same stamina she had in the early sixties when she could have run til the cows came home - this was counterbalanced to some degree by her match experience and better volleying.

I think it is a shame that she had lost her superiority on clay by that stage Chris. However I guess it was fundamental to her that she became a better all court player in order to win Wimbledon. I certainly was amazed at the brilliance of her volleying in the final against King at Wembley in 1969.:)

chris whiteside
Aug 4th, 2009, 12:09 PM
Yes it is very good reading this thread. And I have to say some of the rankings are bizarre!!!

Well, of course, bizarre to whom?

I would agree with this but then we might even differ as to which ones.

These were the "experts" of the day and yet you can see considerable variations - it is so subjective and everyone's opinion is just as valid as everyones else's. It was only when some us began doing our own rankings that I realised just how difficult a task it is.

iainmac
Aug 4th, 2009, 12:12 PM
Well, of course, bizarre to whom?

I would agree with this but then we might even differ as to which ones.

These were the "experts" of the day and yet you can see considerable variations - it is so subjective and everyone's opinion is just as valid as everyones else's. It was only when some us began doing our own rankings that I realised just how difficult a task it is.

No that is so correct. The whole business of the rankings is very subjective and a difficult task. It is admirable that people have taken the time to do this historically and I am not meaning to sound as if I am knocking that!!!

DennisFitz
Aug 5th, 2009, 06:34 AM
I agree a ranking is subjective. What I still think is bizarre is Tomassi's ranking system. If you use a formula, and stick with it, then the results are what they are, because it's a numbers game. It's the criteria that can seem a little whacky.

If you are going to rank players for an entire year's worth of results, IMH (and subjective) Opinion I think you have to have fair and credible system. And not one that goes strictly by a points system based only on wins/losses and a player's ranking.

I do like reviewing a ranking compilation of many players, exactly what you all did on these boards, to see a consensus of experts. Those are very good barometers, because it can account for the anomalies like Evert #3 in 1971 or Austin #7 in '77.

dougie
Aug 5th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Could Tomassi's 1971 rankings actually be 1972??. Seems more accurate for that year.

chris whiteside
Aug 5th, 2009, 12:01 PM
Could Tomassi's 1971 rankings actually be 1972??. Seems more accurate for that year.


Well spotted, dougie. You are spot on. I would never have thought of that but on trawling through the thread it would appear that our esteemed Moderator in posting the lists for Tomassi supplied by Andy T has indeed put 1972's into 1971!!!:eek:

Here is the correct Tomassi list for 1971. Definitely looks a lot better:

1971:
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Wade
6. Durr
7. Evert
8. Melville-Reid
9.Gourlay
10. Tegart

Mind you even by his system I still can't rectify his figures - Gunther would appear to have a better perentage than Reid.

Rollo
Aug 5th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Thanks for the sharp eyes gentleman. The esteemed mod has made the correction.

iainmac
Aug 5th, 2009, 02:39 PM
Could Tomassi's 1971 rankings actually be 1972??. Seems more accurate for that year.

I think so, although I will check and see if I can find out for sure for you Doug.;)

iainmac
Aug 5th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Well spotted, dougie. You are spot on. I would never have thought of that but on trawling through the thread it would appear that our esteemed Moderator in posting the lists for Tomassi supplied by Andy T has indeed put 1972's into 1971!!!:eek:

Here is the correct Tomassi list for 1971. Definitely looks a lot better:

1971:
1. Goolagong
2. Court
3. King
4. Casals
5. Wade
6. Durr
7. Evert
8. Melville-Reid
9.Gourlay
10. Tegart

Mind you even by his system I still can't rectify his figures - Gunther would appear to have a better perentage than Reid.

And does Helen Gourlay justify top ten? I know she reached the French Open final but how was she the rest of the year?

iainmac
Aug 5th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Thanks for the sharp eyes gentleman. The esteemed mod has made the correction.

You see Rollo, you only appear to be perfect;););). No you are a great moderator.:bounce::bounce:

chris whiteside
Jun 30th, 2010, 12:12 PM
The rankings attributed to Arthur "Bud" Collins in 1973 and 1974 would actually appear to be those manually produced by the WTA. I was led to believe that they only started producing lists in 1975 (it was comoputer lists which commenced then) but they in fact started in 1973.

Can you amend please, Rollo?

Perhaps Mr Collins did produce a list for those years although I have not come across them and perhaps he did rank BJ #1 in 1974 but he is owed an apology for the stick he was given for that particular list.

What makes it really interesting is that it was the WTA which has BJ as the #1 for that year and even also has Goolagong ahead of Evert who is only #3. Every other list I have seen has Chris at #1.

iainmac
Jun 30th, 2010, 12:16 PM
The rankings attributed to Arthur "Bud" Collins in 1973 and 1974 would actually appear to be those manually produced by the WTA. I was led to believe that they only started producing lists in 1975 (it was comoputer lists which commenced then) but they in fact started in 1973.

Can you amend please, Rollo?

Perhaps Mr Collins did produce a list for those years although I have not come across them and perhaps he did rank BJ #1 in 1974 but he is owed an apology for the stick he was given for that particular list.

What makes it really interesting is that it was the WTA which has BJ as the #1 for that year and even also has Goolagong ahead of Evert who is only #3. Every other list I have seen has Chris at #1.

Chris:wavey:You cant help feeling that there must be an element where Evert is being dealt rather a heavy hand due to her missing the French Open. Now we all know what her record there was like, so it is safe to say that if she had been there she would have reached at least the semifinals. And Goolagong and BJK did benefit enormously from her abscence as they swept the field at Roland Garros. So I think we should revert back to the true consistency for the year and that would indicate a top ranking for Evert.

DennisFitz
Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:49 AM
The rankings attributed to Arthur "Bud" Collins in 1973 and 1974 would actually appear to be those manually produced by the WTA. I was led to believe that they only started producing lists in 1975 (it was comoputer lists which commenced then) but they in fact started in 1973.

Can you amend please, Rollo?

Perhaps Mr Collins did produce a list for those years although I have not come across them and perhaps he did rank BJ #1 in 1974 but he is owed an apology for the stick he was given for that particular list.

What makes it really interesting is that it was the WTA which has BJ as the #1 for that year and even also has Goolagong ahead of Evert who is only #3. Every other list I have seen has Chris at #1.

If you have Bud Collins' Encyclopedia, he includes rankings from every year. In the (c) 2002 edition of the Encyclopedia, he notes that in 1973 computer rankings began. However, this is a mistake as far as the WTA is concerned (ATP rankings began that year.) The WTA rankings began in NOvember 1975. So the rankings Bud lists for 1973 and 1974 are his own. The WTA may cite them, but they are no means official WTA rankings.

In 1974, Bud did rate BJ King #1, followed by Goolagong and Evert.

TENNIS and World Tennis magazine, along with a number of others, ranked Evert #1. I think both had legitimate claims to #1, so it was a matter of personal preference and which criteria rated higher.

TENNIS magazine definitely liked Chris. They rated her #2 in 1972 (way too high!) and #2 in 1973. The 1973 ranking is also eyebrow raising, in that she is ahead of King for that year. King beat Evert for the Wimbledon title in '73, at a time when Wimbledon was still considered the top event. Even if BJ skipped Australia and France, and lost R16 at the US Open, I still think you have to give BJ credit for Wimbledon, and rank her #2 behind Court for that year.

chris whiteside
Jul 2nd, 2010, 10:46 AM
That's definitely when the computerized WTA rankings began. But the manual rankings began in 1973.

If you have Bud Collins' Encyclopedia, he includes rankings from every year. In the (c) 2002 edition of the Encyclopedia, he notes that in 1973 computer rankings began. However, this is a mistake as far as the WTA is concerned (ATP rankings began that year.) The WTA rankings began in NOvember 1975. So the rankings Bud lists for 1973 and 1974 are his own. The WTA may cite them, but they are no means official WTA rankings.

In 1974, Bud did rate BJ King #1, followed by Goolagong and Evert.

TENNIS and World Tennis magazine, along with a number of others, ranked Evert #1. I think both had legitimate claims to #1, so it was a matter of personal preference and which criteria rated higher.

TENNIS magazine definitely liked Chris. They rated her #2 in 1972 (way too high!) and #2 in 1973. The 1973 ranking is also eyebrow raising, in that she is ahead of King for that year. King beat Evert for the Wimbledon title in '73, at a time when Wimbledon was still considered the top event. Even if BJ skipped Australia and France, and lost R16 at the US Open, I still think you have to give BJ credit for Wimbledon, and rank her #2 behind Court for that year.

I'm becoming more and more confused.

The trouble with Collins' 2002 Encyclopedia is that there are a large number of errors so you just don't know what to believe when something comes into question.

It does state quite clearly that the rankings from 1968-1972 are his own and then after then the Computer Rankings were used.

It is definite that the WTA only began computer rankings in 1975 however austinrunner has said that there were manual rankings from 1973.

So has Collins used these rankings in 1973 and 1974 (did they even exist?) or has he just quoted the wrong year?

Can anyone confirm the actual position?

iainmac
Jul 2nd, 2010, 11:52 AM
If you have Bud Collins' Encyclopedia, he includes rankings from every year. In the (c) 2002 edition of the Encyclopedia, he notes that in 1973 computer rankings began. However, this is a mistake as far as the WTA is concerned (ATP rankings began that year.) The WTA rankings began in NOvember 1975. So the rankings Bud lists for 1973 and 1974 are his own. The WTA may cite them, but they are no means official WTA rankings.

In 1974, Bud did rate BJ King #1, followed by Goolagong and Evert.

TENNIS and World Tennis magazine, along with a number of others, ranked Evert #1. I think both had legitimate claims to #1, so it was a matter of personal preference and which criteria rated higher.

TENNIS magazine definitely liked Chris. They rated her #2 in 1972 (way too high!) and #2 in 1973. The 1973 ranking is also eyebrow raising, in that she is ahead of King for that year. King beat Evert for the Wimbledon title in '73, at a time when Wimbledon was still considered the top event. Even if BJ skipped Australia and France, and lost R16 at the US Open, I still think you have to give BJ credit for Wimbledon, and rank her #2 behind Court for that year.

I guess Dennis that is why we are better off with computer rankings as it removes the element of personal subjectivity. I am not fully up to scratch with the tour in 73, did Evert have a really consistent year? I mean she reached two grand slam finals in a row, and should have beaten Court at the Grench Open final. I wonder if it is so far off the mark to have her as 2 for that year, but you would have to update me re BJK and how her year shaped up. I know she had a fantastic 72, but then of course Court came back for a tremendous 73 season.

iainmac
Jul 2nd, 2010, 11:53 AM
I'm becoming more and more confused.

The trouble with Collins' 2002 Encyclopedia is that there are a large number of errors so you just don't know what to believe when something comes into question.

It does state quite clearly that the rankings from 1968-1972 are his own and then after then the Computer Rankings were used.

It is definite that the WTA only began computer rankings in 1975 however austinrunner has said that there were manual rankings from 1973.

So has Collins used these rankings in 1973 and 1974 (did they even exist?) or has he just quoted the wrong year?

Can anyone confirm the actual position?

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

DennisFitz
Jul 3rd, 2010, 06:28 AM
I'm becoming more and more confused.

The trouble with Collins' 2002 Encyclopedia is that there are a large number of errors so you just don't know what to believe when something comes into question.

It does state quite clearly that the rankings from 1968-1972 are his own and then after then the Computer Rankings were used.

It is definite that the WTA only began computer rankings in 1975 however austinrunner has said that there were manual rankings from 1973.

So has Collins used these rankings in 1973 and 1974 (did they even exist?) or has he just quoted the wrong year?

Can anyone confirm the actual position?

In Bud's most recent encyclopedia (c) 2008, he corrects himself, and notes that computer rankings began in 1975 for women, and that rankings from 1968-1974 are his own.

I am not aware of, and I would highly, highly doubt that the WTA produced any unofficial rankings prior to their official ranking debut in 1975. In their own guidebook, they make no mention of official rankings by the WTA prior to 1975.

DennisFitz
Jul 3rd, 2010, 06:44 AM
I guess Dennis that is why we are better off with computer rankings as it removes the element of personal subjectivity. I am not fully up to scratch with the tour in 73, did Evert have a really consistent year? I mean she reached two grand slam finals in a row, and should have beaten Court at the Grench Open final. I wonder if it is so far off the mark to have her as 2 for that year, but you would have to update me re BJK and how her year shaped up. I know she had a fantastic 72, but then of course Court came back for a tremendous 73 season.

Two Slam finals in 1973 is great, but Evert still lost both. And Billie Jean did win Wimbledon. While I don't know their H2H for the year, Billie won their most significant match. Court was so dominant, winning the majority of VS tournaments. I still say King gets the #2 nod for the year. It's a toss up between Evonne and Chris for #3. Evonne was RU at Australia and US Open. She beat Chris to win the Italian.

As far as 1972 goes, Chris did win the US Clay Courts, and the VS Championships, although the VS Championships was not like it is today. It was basically the final event of the year, with the biggest purse. Goolagong was RU in 3 majors, and she beat Evert in the Wimbledon semis. So for me it's hard to justify ranking Evert ahead of Goolagong for that year. Bud ranked them: 1 King; 2 Court; 3 Richey; 4 Evert; 5 Wade; 6 Goolagong; 7 Casals; 8 Melville; 9 Durr; 10 Morozova. (Bud also ranked King #1 in 1971, when most considered Goolagong as Wimbledon and French champ #1). It would be interesting if a computer ranking system was around in the early 1970s how things would shake out.

One other little tidbit about the official WTA rankings and Bud Collins'. While his most recent encyclopedia does note that 1975 the computer rankings began, his list for 1975 is:
1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Navratilova
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

HOWEVER, the official WTA rankings are:
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 King
5 Goolagong
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Melville

So Bud sneaked in his own rankings for 1975. And FWIW, I agree with his 1975 rankings, compared to the WTA ones. I still wonder how our Ginny could have been #2 for 1975. King won Wimbledon; Goolagong won Australia (OK probably not a lot of points), and was RU at Wimbledon and US Open. Wade skipped France and Australia, lost SF at US Open and QF at Wimbledon, both to Evonne. She did win 2 Slims events and Eastbourne. But I have trouble seeing her as #2 for the whole year, ahead of King and Goolagong, and even Navratilova.

iainmac
Jul 3rd, 2010, 08:43 AM
Two Slam finals in 1973 is great, but Evert still lost both. And Billie Jean did win Wimbledon. While I don't know their H2H for the year, Billie won their most significant match. Court was so dominant, winning the majority of VS tournaments. I still say King gets the #2 nod for the year. It's a toss up between Evonne and Chris for #3. Evonne was RU at Australia and US Open. She beat Chris to win the Italian.

As far as 1972 goes, Chris did win the US Clay Courts, and the VS Championships, although the VS Championships was not like it is today. It was basically the final event of the year, with the biggest purse. Goolagong was RU in 3 majors, and she beat Evert in the Wimbledon semis. So for me it's hard to justify ranking Evert ahead of Goolagong for that year. Bud ranked them: 1 King; 2 Court; 3 Richey; 4 Evert; 5 Wade; 6 Goolagong; 7 Casals; 8 Melville; 9 Durr; 10 Morozova. (Bud also ranked King #1 in 1971, when most considered Goolagong as Wimbledon and French champ #1). It would be interesting if a computer ranking system was around in the early 1970s how things would shake out.

One other little tidbit about the official WTA rankings and Bud Collins'. While his most recent encyclopedia does note that 1975 the computer rankings began, his list for 1975 is:
1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Navratilova
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

HOWEVER, the official WTA rankings are:
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 King
5 Goolagong
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Melville

So Bud sneaked in his own rankings for 1975. And FWIW, I agree with his 1975 rankings, compared to the WTA ones. I still wonder how our Ginny could have been #2 for 1975. King won Wimbledon; Goolagong won Australia (OK probably not a lot of points), and was RU at Wimbledon and US Open. Wade skipped France and Australia, lost SF at US Open and QF at Wimbledon, both to Evonne. She did win 2 Slims events and Eastbourne. But I have trouble seeing her as #2 for the whole year, ahead of King and Goolagong, and even Navratilova.

Dennis:wavey:That is a surprise re Wade in 75 and her WTA ranking. I cant say that I see the evidence that would justify such an elevated place. On the other hand she did play brilliant tennis and had that spell indoors in the United States when she really did crush Goolagong, Evert, BJK and Navratilova in successive weeks. And she lead Britain to a so so rare Wightman Cup win in the United States. But to me BJK and Navratilova had more consistent years. I just wonder how the WTA came to the conclusion they did??:confused:

chris whiteside
Jul 3rd, 2010, 11:30 AM
Opinion was split between King and Evert as the #2 in 1973.

Amdur, Barrett and Tomassi went for Evert while Collins and Tingay plumped for King.

The Blasters Panel was decisively in favour of King by 5-2. AndrewTas, Andy T, Declan, Nelslus and Preacherfan chose King while Rollo and myself were the two dissenters for Evert.

iainmac
Jul 3rd, 2010, 03:17 PM
Opinion was split between King and Evert as the #2 in 1973.

Amdur, Barrett and Tomassi went for Evert while Collins and Tingay plumped for King.

The Blasters Panel was decisively in favour of King by 5-2. AndrewTas, Andy T, Declan, Nelslus and Preacherfan chose King while Rollo and myself were the two dissenters for Evert.

Chris:wavey:I would have thought that Evert would have been the definite number two if she had closed out the French final with Court, but that loss and the heaviness of her Wimbledon final defeat I suppose does give credence to BJK being 2??

DennisFitz
Jul 3rd, 2010, 10:28 PM
Two Slam finals in 1973 is great, but Evert still lost both. And Billie Jean did win Wimbledon. While I don't know their H2H for the year, Billie won their most significant match. Court was so dominant, winning the majority of VS tournaments. I still say King gets the #2 nod for the year. It's a toss up between Evonne and Chris for #3. Evonne was RU at Australia and US Open. She beat Chris to win the Italian.

As far as 1972 goes, Chris did win the US Clay Courts, and the VS Championships, although the VS Championships was not like it is today. It was basically the final event of the year, with the biggest purse. Goolagong was RU in 3 majors, and she beat Evert in the Wimbledon semis. So for me it's hard to justify ranking Evert ahead of Goolagong for that year. Bud ranked them: 1 King; 2 Court; 3 Richey; 4 Evert; 5 Wade; 6 Goolagong; 7 Casals; 8 Melville; 9 Durr; 10 Morozova. (Bud also ranked King #1 in 1971, when most considered Goolagong as Wimbledon and French champ #1). It would be interesting if a computer ranking system was around in the early 1970s how things would shake out.

One other little tidbit about the official WTA rankings and Bud Collins'. While his most recent encyclopedia does note that 1975 the computer rankings began, his list for 1975 is:
1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Navratilova
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

HOWEVER, the official WTA rankings are:
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 King
5 Goolagong
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Melville

So Bud sneaked in his own rankings for 1975. And FWIW, I agree with his 1975 rankings, compared to the WTA ones. I still wonder how our Ginny could have been #2 for 1975. King won Wimbledon; Goolagong won Australia (OK probably not a lot of points), and was RU at Wimbledon and US Open. Wade skipped France and Australia, lost SF at US Open and QF at Wimbledon, both to Evonne. She did win 2 Slims events and Eastbourne. But I have trouble seeing her as #2 for the whole year, ahead of King and Goolagong, and even Navratilova.

In Bud's book, he also sneaked his own rankings for 1976 as well!

Bud
1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Navratilova
5 Barker
6 Stove
7 Fromholtz
8 Jausovec
9 Casals
10 Durr

WTA
1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Navratilova
5 Fromholtz
6 Casals
7 Stove
8 Melville
9 Morozova
10 Barker

Again, I agree with Bud's rankings for 1976, versus the WTA. Barker deserve to be higher than #10, and definitely ahead of Morozova.

chris whiteside
Jul 4th, 2010, 11:41 AM
There we go then - because of Collins' Encyclopedia I though Sue Barker was top 5 on the WTA computer in 1976.

Perhaps they gave minimal points for the French Open.

According to Mr Collins Sue didn't play the French in 1976 and was a loser in 4r Wimbledon!!!!!!!!!! - she actually won the (devalued) French and was Wimby quarter-finalist losing 7-5 fs to Navratilova.

Olga made quarters at Wimby and 3r at US.

chris whiteside
Jul 4th, 2010, 11:41 AM
There we go then - because of Collins' Encyclopedia I though Sue Barker was top 5 on the WTA computer in 1976.

Perhaps they gave minimal points for the French Open.

According to Mr Collins Sue didn't play the French in 1976 and was a loser in 4r Wimbledon!!!!!!!!!! - she actually won the (devalued) French and was Wimby quarter-finalist losing 7-5 fs to Navratilova.

Olga made quarters at Wimby and 3r at US.

iainmac
Jul 4th, 2010, 04:05 PM
In Bud's book, he also sneaked his own rankings for 1976 as well!

Bud
1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Navratilova
5 Barker
6 Stove
7 Fromholtz
8 Jausovec
9 Casals
10 Durr

WTA
1 Evert
2 Goolagong
3 Wade
4 Navratilova
5 Fromholtz
6 Casals
7 Stove
8 Melville
9 Morozova
10 Barker

Again, I agree with Bud's rankings for 1976, versus the WTA. Barker deserve to be higher than #10, and definitely ahead of Morozova.

Dennis, for sure Barker would have to be rated far nearer five than ten for the 76 season. I mean we all know that the French and German Open wins are open to question re quality of the field, but she won them so thats it. Also she did shine markedly on the VS tour, qualifying for the finale and pushing both Casals and Evert, as well as beating Wade. Add to that a great effort at Wimbledon, where she should have beaten Navratilova in the quarterfinals, and you have to say that she was definitely the best of the rest after the top 4. That form of course Barker was to carry forward into the 77 season...

iainmac
Jul 4th, 2010, 04:07 PM
There we go then - because of Collins' Encyclopedia I though Sue Barker was top 5 on the WTA computer in 1976.

Perhaps they gave minimal points for the French Open.

According to Mr Collins Sue didn't play the French in 1976 and was a loser in 4r Wimbledon!!!!!!!!!! - she actually won the (devalued) French and was Wimby quarter-finalist losing 7-5 fs to Navratilova.

Olga made quarters at Wimby and 3r at US.

Chris:wavey:OF course in this case I am fully behind my mate Bud, not that Im biased about Barker or anything!!!:lol::lol::lol:

DennisFitz
Jul 4th, 2010, 07:30 PM
Dennis, for sure Barker would have to be rated far nearer five than ten for the 76 season. I mean we all know that the French and German Open wins are open to question re quality of the field, but she won them so thats it. Also she did shine markedly on the VS tour, qualifying for the finale and pushing both Casals and Evert, as well as beating Wade. Add to that a great effort at Wimbledon, where she should have beaten Navratilova in the quarterfinals, and you have to say that she was definitely the best of the rest after the top 4. That form of course Barker was to carry forward into the 77 season...

Yup, for sure I agree.

As we've discovered in the last year or so regarding the WTA rankings (Sue Mappin, anyone?!) there were definite quirks. The only reason I can think Barker rates just 10 is that she played a lot of tournaments, and rankings may have favored those who played fewer events. Morozova played the Slims circuit (and not every week), a Wimbledon warmup, Wimbledon and US Open, and that's it. While she had a decent season, Barker's results were better than Olga's. Fromholtz started out as Futures girl, and while she beat Evert, got to the finals of Phoenix late in the year and US semis, #5 seems high to me.

iainmac
Jul 5th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Yup, for sure I agree.

As we've discovered in the last year or so regarding the WTA rankings (Sue Mappin, anyone?!) there were definite quirks. The onyl reason I can think Barker rates only 10 is that she played a lot of tournaments. Morozova played the Slims circuit (and not every week), a Wimbledon warmup, Wimbledon and US Open, and that's it. While she had a decent season, Barker's results were better than Olga's. Fromholtz started out as Futures girl, and while she beat Evert, got to the finals of Phoenix late in the year and US semis, #5 seems high to me.

Dennis:wavey:Yes we are back again with the anomaly that existed at the time with the rankings in that someone with a very limited schedule could end up higher ranked than ever their rankings justified. Barker would for once have done really well at the US Open if she had had her rightful top 8 seeding. There is no way that Morozova or Fromholtz were better than her in this year. And the fact she was invited to the World Invitational speaks volumes about her standing at this jucture of her career.

DennisFitz
Jul 5th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Dennis:wavey:Yes we are back again with the anomaly that existed at the time with the rankings in that someone with a very limited schedule could end up higher ranked than ever their rankings justified. Barker would for once have done really well at the US Open if she had had her rightful top 8 seeding. There is no way that Morozova or Fromholtz were better than her in this year. And the fact she was invited to the World Invitational speaks volumes about her standing at this jucture of her career.

You are certainly correct Ian.

And speaking of Sue and the WITC, I just caught the mixed doubles match from the 1976 WITC, with Borg and Barker against Ashe and Goolagong. I didn't know the results, but was surprised by the outcome. Sue played terrifically! One of the first points she passed Arthur off a return of serve, on her backhand. She was solid throughout, even though she wasn't a stellar doubles player (neither was Borg) and she hadn't played a lot of mixed. Sue more than held her own, and she definitely showed she was a top 5 player for 1976, and not #10 as the WTA calculated her to be!

iainmac
Jul 6th, 2010, 09:53 AM
;)You are certainly correct Ian.

And speaking of Sue and the WITC, I just caught the mixed doubles match from the 1976 WITC, with Borg and Barker against Ashe and Goolagong. I didn't know the results, but was surprised by the outcome. Sue played terrifically! One of the first points she passed Arthur off a return of serve, on her backhand. She was solid throughout, even though she wasn't a stellar doubles player (neither was Borg) and she hadn't played a lot of mixed. Sue more than held her own, and she definitely showed she was a top 5 player for 1976, and not #10 as the WTA calculated her to be!

Dennis:wavey:It would be great to see that one. I have to say that Barker was at the best stage of her life circa this point. She looked like she was going to be a real contender for the top spot. And I have seen her play in the WITC against Nastase and Navratilova in 76. Although she and Bjorn are all at sea at times, she played some spectacular shots. And I disagree a little re her doubles. Barker was a first rate doubles player with more career tournament victories in doubles than in singles!!!!:);)

chris whiteside
Jul 24th, 2010, 10:47 AM
One other little tidbit about the official WTA rankings and Bud Collins'. While his most recent encyclopedia does note that 1975 the computer rankings began, his list for 1975 is:
1 Evert
2 King
3 Goolagong
4 Navratilova
5 Wade
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Casals

HOWEVER, the official WTA rankings are:
1 Evert
2 Wade
3 Navratilova
4 King
5 Goolagong
6 Court
7 Morozova
8 Richey
9 Durr
10 Melville

So Bud sneaked in his own rankings for 1975. And FWIW, I agree with his 1975 rankings, compared to the WTA ones. I still wonder how our Ginny could have been #2 for 1975. King won Wimbledon; Goolagong won Australia (OK probably not a lot of points), and was RU at Wimbledon and US Open. Wade skipped France and Australia, lost SF at US Open and QF at Wimbledon, both to Evonne. She did win 2 Slims events and Eastbourne. But I have trouble seeing her as #2 for the whole year, ahead of King and Goolagong, and even Navratilova.


Dennis, are you sure about these WTA rankings?

As you point out it is very hard to see how they could have had Wade #2 for the year.

Due to misunderstanding what the content was I have just purchased Rino Tommasi's Tennis Record Book 2010. However in it he has the WTA list of top 100 women for every year to 2008 commencing in 1975.

The top 10 of the list he includes for 1975 agrees exactly with that listed by Collins.:confused: :confused:

Can you remember where you got the list you have for the WTA from? Something's not right.

The 1976 list you quote for the WTA DOES agree with the one Tommasi gives.

austinrunner
Jul 24th, 2010, 11:23 AM
According to the 2009 official WTA media guide (page 239), the WTA's 1975 year end rankings were as follows:

1. Chris Evert 15.79 points, 22 tournaments
2. Virginia Wade 11.13 points, 20 tournaments
3. Martina Navratilova 10.97 points, 25 tournaments
4. Billie Jean King 10.02 points, 6 tournaments
5. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 9.74 points, 20 tournaments
6. Margaret Court 8.84 points, 13 tournaments
7. Olga Morozova 6.32 points, 22 tournaments
8. Nancy Richey 6.24 points, 17 tournaments
9. Francoise Durr 6.19 points, 22 tournaments
10. Kerry Melville Reid 6.03 points, 18 tournaments

Rollo
Jul 24th, 2010, 02:59 PM
I added it it-thanks AR :)

austinrunner
Jul 24th, 2010, 08:38 PM
According to the 2009 official WTA media guide (page 239), the WTA's year end rankings were as follows:

1976
1. Chris Evert 17.42 points, 17 tournaments
2. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 15.12 points, 14 tournaments
3. Virginia Wade 12.64 points, 18 tournaments
4. Martina Navratilova 11.86 points, 17 tournaments
5. Dianne Fromholtz Balestrat 9.75 points, 18 tournaments
6. Rosemary Casals 8.12 points, 16 tournaments
7. Betty Stove 7.98 points, 21 tournaments
8. Kerry Melville Reid 6.30 points, 19 tournaments
9. Olga Morozova 6.22 points, 18 tournaments
10. Sue Barker 5.87 points, 17 tournaments

1977
1. Chris Evert 17.61 points, 13 tournaments
2. Billie Jean King 12.24 points, 10 tournaments
3. Martina Navratilova 11.88 points, 19 tournaments
4. Virginia Wade 10.18 points, 16 tournaments
5. Sue Barker 9.51 points, 16 tournaments
6. Rosemary Casals 7.69 points, 18 tournaments
7. Betty Stove 6.62 points, 22 tournaments
8. Dianne Fromholtz Balestrat 6.46 points, 16 tournaments
9. Wendy Turnbull 6.33 points, 20 tournaments
10. Kerry Melville Reid 6.06 points, 22 tournaments

1978
1. Martina Navratilova 15.83 points, 18 tournaments
2. Chris Evert 15.33 points, 10 tournaments
3. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 12.01 points, 11 tournaments
4. Virginia Wade 9.97 points, 22 tournaments
5. Billie Jean King 9.30 points, 10 tournaments
6. Tracy Austin 8.59 points, 14 tournaments
7. Wendy Turnbull 8.17 points, 22 tournaments
8. Kerry Melville Reid 7.93 points, 21 tournaments
9. Betty Stove 7.43 points, 21 tournaments
10. Dianne Fromholtz Balestrat 7.17 points, 14 tournaments

1979
1. Martina Navratilova 15.75 points, 20 tournaments
2. Chris Evert 14.11 points, 20 tournaments
3. Tracy Austin 14.00 points, 18 tournaments
4. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 11.81 points, 14 tournaments
5. Billie Jean King 8.86 points, 14 tournaments
6. Dianne Fromholtz Balestrat 8.37 points, 24 tournaments
7. Wendy Turnbull 8.21 points, 27 tournaments
8. Virginia Wade 7.96 points, 22 tournaments
9. Kerry Melville Reid 6.64 points, 24 tournaments
10. Sue Barker 6.61 points, 27 tournaments

1980
1. Chris Evert 16.83 points, 14 tournaments
2. Tracy Austin 15.63 points, 19 tournaments
3. Martina Navratilova 14.78 points, 22 tournaments
4. Hana Mandlikova 10.80 points, 23 tournaments
5. Evonne Goolagong Cawley 10.75 points, 15 tournaments
6. Billie Jean King 9.74 points, 16 tournaments
7. Andrea Jaeger 9.61 points, 22 tournaments
8. Wendy Turnbull 9.55 points, 24 tournaments
9. Pam Shriver 8.23 points, 21 tournaments
10. Greer Stevens 8.03 points, 17 tournaments

1981
1. Chris Evert 17.54 points, 14 tournaments
2. Tracy Austin 16.48 points, 13 tournaments
3. Martina Navratilova 15.71 points, 22 tournaments
4. Andrea Jaeger 13.11 points, 19 tournaments
5. Hana Mandlikova 11.23 points, 20 tournaments
6. Sylvia Hanika 9.62 points, 21 tournaments
7. Pam Shriver 9.59 points, 22 tournaments
8. Wendy Turnbull 8.26 points, 22 tournaments
9. Bettina Bunge 7.93 points, 22 tournaments
10. Barbara Potter 7.92 points, 22 tournaments