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tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:36 PM
:worship: Congrats China

Better luck in singles Vee/Chanda :worship:

tennisiscool
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
what are the chances of China winning a medal in doubles now ?

Jericho
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Rest up for the singels ladies...nice effort ;)

Congrats China :)

Helen Lawson
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I guess they didn't pair up as well as we thought they would. Those Chinese girls are tough, though! Nice win for the Chinese girls. The Olympics is why China has gotten into tennis.

V-MAC
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:39 PM
well, Vee/Chanda certainly had their opportunites early on in the final set with a couple of break points.:( still, best of luck in the singles Venus & Chanda :) but :rolleyes: at the Chinese girls for taking that toilet break at end of second set, it couldn't have been a more obvious tactic move. :o

TomTennis
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:40 PM
i watched the match. Venus was playing well enough to win. Chanda needed to up her game alot. In the second set, i thought they would take it., but at 3-3, they made a few mistakes that were sitters. I am dissapointed that they lost, but at least they can concentrate on singles now, as there match went on til 10:20pm.

Congrats to china though. Keep positive thoughts in your head venus, i know you can win the singles.

K-Dog
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Who played better? Chanda or Venus? How was Venus' forehand? Did Chanda's serve hurt them? What was the case with this match?

le bon vivant
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

BlinX
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
go china :bounce:

bandabou
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Yeah...who played better?!

TomTennis
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Spot on. I wouldnt say it was HER fault, as they both made some easy mistakes at the end, but if you watch the match, you will see that she didnt play well. She had an obbesion to keep hitting at the net player even though it only worked 10% of the time. They didnt look comfortable as a team. Not much communication between them. Oh well... :sad:

Jericho
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
No its always Venus' fault of course ;)

lizchris
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
The bad news? They lost and Venus will have to wait four more years to break the record of winning the most gold medals in tennis. The good news? She is in a great position to win the gold now that she can concentrate soley on singles.

DelMonte
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
vee and chanda :sad:

congrats to the chinese team. well done. *a little bitter though*

V-MAC
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Chanda didn't lose the match, she may have got broken serving at 3-4 in the final set but Vee apparently missed a few easy volleys , and they both played an awful final game(errors galore) to give up the match

shap_half
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:44 PM
well, Vee/Chanda certainly had their opportunites early on in the final set with a couple of break points.:( still, best of luck in the singles Venus & Chanda :) but :rolleyes: at the Chinese girls for taking that toilet break at end of second set, it couldn't have been a more obvious tactic move. :o


Get over it. Bitter, much? :rolleyes:

Knizzle
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Shame that Serena's knee wouldn't let she and Venus defend their doubles title.

Pengwin
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:45 PM
chanda was the weak link though clearly, especially on serve

hablo
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyhow, congrats China; as for Venus/Chanda : damn, I'm speechless, but I can't really comment since I can't see any of these matches up in Canada . . . ;)

Paneru
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:45 PM
I take solice in that Venus played as well as she did! :cool:

azza
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:47 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: LMFAO :haha: this is to funny :hysteric: :haha:

Paneru
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:48 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: LMFAO :haha: this is to funny :hysteric: :haha:

I know! :lol:

They did the best they could but it
wasn't good enough.

They're still in the singles! :worship:

tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
please get over yourself. It was no one's "fault". they did their best, and today it wasn't enough. They played as a team, and lost as a team. That's how doubles works

K-Dog
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:51 PM
I take solice in that Venus played as well as she did! :cool:

Really? Did you see the match and where did you see the match? I hope Venus played well!!

Knizzle
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:53 PM
please get over yourself. It was no one's "fault". they did their best, and today it wasn't enough. They played as a team, and lost as a team. That's how doubles works
Justin seems to be elated that Venus and Chanda weren't able to do well and medal.

lizchris
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:54 PM
BTW, I was just listening to the radio and they are calling the win an upset since Venus was the defending gold medalist in doubles, but what the person reporting failed to see that it was techniclly an upset since the Chinese team was seeded and Williams/Rubin wasn't.

The true upset of the day was that Elena, who won silver in singles in 2000, lost in the first round today.

le bon vivant
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:54 PM
please get over yourself. It was no one's "fault". they did their best, and today it wasn't enough. They played as a team, and lost as a team. That's how doubles works Wow, Some people take tennis so seriously! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/wink.gif

tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:54 PM
probably because he's all Serena all the time ;)

tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Wow, Some people take tennis so seriously! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/wink.gif
you are correct. some people do take tennis seriously. and others just enjoy the sport for what it is...a sport. You win some, you lose some.

Geisha
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Oh well, I think this loss is great for the Wonder Women (Venus and Chanda). They can now focus 100% on Singles and are less injury prone, which is the most important thing.

I didn't watch the match, but I am sure that the Chinese pair put up a tremendous fight. Congrats ladies!

mboyle
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Oh my gosh. China wins EVERY SINGLE STUPID OLYMPIC MEDAL! It just isn't fair.

Diesel
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Well you can't just throw players together and expect them to win - perhaps that's the lesson. Anyway, Venus can now solidly concentrate on singles.

tennisiscool
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:57 PM
BTW, I was just listening to the radio and they are calling the win an upset since Venus was the defending gold medalist in doubles, but what the person reporting failed to see that it was techniclly an upset since the Chinese team was seeded and Williams/Rubin wasn't.



It was an "upset" whether you want to admit to it or not . :)

Helen Lawson
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:57 PM
It's doubles, so it's no one's "fault." Neely and I play celebrity tennis doubles a lot, and sometimes we do great, and sometimes we're all over the place and a mess. It's no one's fault, just an off day.

tennisiscool
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:58 PM
Oh my gosh. China wins EVERY SINGLE STUPID OLYMPIC MEDAL! It just isn't fair.

They have 10 golds while the US has 3 :D

le bon vivant
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:59 PM
Justin seems to be elated that Venus and Chanda weren't able to do well and medal.
No, I'm just elated to see proof that Martina Hingis was right, Serena did carry "ze Doubles". http://wtaworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Jakeev
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:59 PM
It wasn't very surprising considering Venus was playing with another woman outside her sister for the first time. Not sure what people expected considering it was Venus/Chanda first match together.

But hey they fought well and major credit for the Chinese girls not being overly intimidated by the star power on the other side of the net.

Calimero377
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:59 PM
what are the chances of China winning a medal in doubles now ?


Still zero .....

Knizzle
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Well you can't just throw players together and expect them to win - perhaps that's the lesson. Anyway, Venus can now solidly concentrate on singles.
I already know what the response will be to this. A certain group of fans will tell you how great their favorite was.

lizchris
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:01 PM
It was an "upset" whether you want to admit to it or not . :)
The Chinese team was seeded; Venus/Chanda weren't, so the Chinese team should have won, even though most expected Venus/Chanda to win. Are you going to tell me that Elena losing in singles today was not as big as Venus losing in doubles.

Calimero377
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Oh my gosh. China wins EVERY SINGLE STUPID OLYMPIC MEDAL! It just isn't fair.


They are so many ....

tennisiscool
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Still zero .....

I'd still say its better than Germany's chances :)

Taccasha1
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:02 PM
why the hell didn't serena carry them in wimbledon last year

Pengwin
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:02 PM
no i wouldn't bet against sun and li getting a medal

tennisiscool
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:02 PM
They are so many ....

By that logic India should be # 2 on the medals tally :)

Knizzle
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:02 PM
No, I'm just elated to see proof that Martina Hingis was right, Serena did carry "ze Doubles". http://wtaworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif
:yawn:

tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM
why the hell didn't serena carry them in wimbledon last year
lmfao! :worship: :worship:

Some are still stuck on that doubles is an one player game, apparently. GREAT post though

Pengwin
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:05 PM
By that logic India should be # 2 on the medals tally :)


yeah exactly, the reason china are doing well in tennis now is because the goverment is investing a lot of money in it for a change

Jericho
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:08 PM
No, I'm just elated to see proof that Martina Hingis was right, Serena did carry "ze Doubles". http://wtaworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif Martina Hingis also called Mauresmo "half a man" :o

Anyways, Venus took initiative during their last two doubles victories, especially the Australian Open 03' title. Venus has better volleys too IMO, where as Serena can improve in that area. But of course doubles, means two players so obviously it takes a team to win.

Diesel
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I already know what the response will be to this. A certain group of fans will tell you how great their favorite was.

:confused:

tennisIlove09
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Martina Hingis also called Mauresmo "half a man" :o

Anyways, Venus took initiative during their last two doubles victories, especially the Australian Open 03' title. Venus has better volleys too IMO, where as Serena can improve in that area. But of course doubles, means two players so obviously it takes a team to win.
*sigh* don't bother Blake. Some people are...well, I'm not going to be mean. I'll see you on MSN later :wavey:

Steveg
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Great to see Tian-Tian reaction after her victory :D

pic (http://editorial.****************/source/CFW/details_Pop.aspx?iid=51178972&cdi=0)

GoSandrine
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:39 PM
Disappointing :( :sad: I knew the Chinese team would be tough but I was hoping Vee and Chanda would mesh. Better luck in the singles Ladies. :kiss: :hug:

Steveg, I can't see the pic. Can you check your post again? Thanks. :wavey:

C.MARTINEZ
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Sun - Li :hearts: :hearts:

Steveg
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Disappointing :( :sad: I knew the Chinese team would be tough but I was hoping Vee and Chanda would mesh. Better luck in the singles Ladies. :kiss: :hug:

Steveg, I can't see the pic. Can you check your post again? Thanks. :wavey:
There's some problem with posting links to Getty Images website :( .

You need to replace in the link all the * with :

g e t t y i m a g e s . c o m

and it will work.

selking
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:42 PM
well martina and lisa are going to win :) easily

Nicoleke
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:47 PM
:eek: !!!!!

DeDe4925
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:50 PM
I'm not surprised. They've never played doubles together, have they?

Diesel
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:53 PM
I'm not surprised. They've never played doubles together, have they?

Nope. It's why I don't see this as a big deal. If they had played competitively before then maybe it's a deal, but they haven't so it's a move on to singles situation.

Two big names together or just names together don't guarantee a win. Just ask Andy.

Kart
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:03 PM
The Chinese played well and deserved to win. Well done :).

It's a shame that Venus and Chanda didn't go further but they didn't really look fluid as a team - that's something that comes with playing together more.

The Crow
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:08 PM
This is disappointing :(

Elldee
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:18 PM
I think it's unfair to say that Chanda lost the match for the US. Chanda played badly for the first set or so, with Venus saving her on her serve when she could, but in the second set Chanda served really well with a lot of unreturned serves. At the end, Chanda picked up and Venus started hitting bad shots.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:20 PM
:lol: Wow, I'm eagerly anticipating replies on how it was all Chanda's fault! http://wtaworld.com/ubb/biggrin.gif :lol: :lol: :lol: AMEN brother ;) :rolleyes: ;)

Calimero377
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I'd still say its better than Germany's chances :)

I don't even know who plays for Germany in women's singles and doubles.
Is Anke Huber still playing?

thelittlestelf
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:33 PM
No real surprise, Venus hasn't played doubles in over a year and has never had another partner and Chanda hasn't had much doubles practice at all this year.

Diesel
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:36 PM
I think it's unfair to say that Chanda lost the match for the US. Chanda played badly for the first set or so, with Venus saving her on her serve when she could, but in the second set Chanda served really well with a lot of unreturned serves. At the end, Chanda picked up and Venus started hitting bad shots.

Venus AND Chanda both lost this match today. Why is there even a discussion about this, let alone people making drama where there isn't any?

GoDominique
Aug 16th, 2004, 11:33 PM
It's an upset, but I'm not really surprised.

Now I predict that there will be a Chinese tennis medal winner. :)

joeshmo50
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:11 AM
Does any one have any pics of Venus and Rubin playing together?

Mr. Man
Aug 17th, 2004, 12:13 AM
ahhhhh.

esquímaux
Aug 17th, 2004, 02:47 AM
No sweat, Li/Sun is an experienced doubles team (specialists?) and Venus/Rubin....umm yeah...when was the last time they played doubles together? ;) Good job to the Chinese team nonetheless.

goldenlox
Aug 17th, 2004, 03:42 AM
Venus loses, where's the luster?

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BY STEPHEN A. SMITH
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Knight Ridder Newspapers
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ATHENS - (KRT) - The results no longer qualify as shocking or unexpected. Just disappointing, bewildering. While women's tennis has shined, garnering more attention in this male-dominated world than any other women's sport, the same cannot be said lately of the sport's two biggest stars: Venus and Serena Williams.

The Williams sisters! You've heard of them, right? The ones who once owned the tennis world, who now appear stuck in neutral, trying to recapture glorious days from such a short time ago, obviously stretched beyond their grasp.

It seems like just yesterday that you named a Grand Slam title, then simply struggled to remember which Williams sister captured the crown.

Was it Venus who captured Wimbledon in 1999? How about 2000? Or both? Wasn't it Serena who captured the next three crowns at the All-England Club, winning six Grand Slam titles in all, dominating her sport for three years the way Martina Navratilova once did?

The Serena we knew displayed no mercy, no remorse, not even toward her own sister. The Venus we knew absorbed criticism aimed at everything from her appearance to her family members.

They both smiled that smile, and laughed that laugh, saving their ire and hostility for the competition, then kindly sauntered up to one podium after another with a gladiator's defiance, draped in victories, before kindly asking: Any questions?

A knee injury may have forced Serena to back out of these games in Athens. Wrist and leg injuries may have hindered Venus' performance over the past several months. But if Serena can make it all the way to the Wimbledon finals, and Venus can destroy an opponent in straight sets in Olympic singles competition, there's no way we should be standing here today wondering why Russia's Maria Sharapova is the new queen of tennis, or why two young ladies from China had the eldest Williams sister in such a foul mood Monday.

"We both wanted to win," a clearly perturbed Venus Williams said of herself and teammate Chanda Rubin, after they dropped a 7-5, 1-6, 6-3 doubles match to China's Ting Li and Tian Tian Sun in the opening round of doubles competition yesterday.

"It was both of our first doubles match in a year, and it was our first time playing together. And I think a lot of the shots we normally would have made, we didn't because we were a little rusty."

What's wrong? What's the problem? Why has this dynamic duo of tennis struggled so uncharacteristically in recent months? It may sound ridiculous considering all the Grand Slam titles these two have captured in the last four years. But when you've spent years setting a standard your talent and youth promise to live up to, then nosedive like a skier out of control, it qualifies as a storyline worth pursuing.

Whether Venus likes it or not.

"Is that why I was called into this press conference," Williams asked yesterday, irritated over a question about her losing because Serena was not here. "Was I called here to answer questions about not playing with my sister?"

Absolutely! What else?

Tiger Woods? We should be thinking about Vingy Singh.

USA Basketball? The players don't even want to talk about themselves right now.

Michael Phelps? Ian Thorpe ruined that notion, unless you want to blame Mark Spitz for setting the bar so high three decades ago.

The Williams' sisters, who also captured the gold in doubles in Sydney, once sustained the belief in a sure thing. But not anymore.

No one should have a problem with Serena Williams skipping these Olympics, just the fact that she granted her teammates a mere few days notice. Nor should anyone be fazed by Venus and her off-the-court marketing and entrepreneurial endeavors.

"She hasn't played in the last year in doubles," Rubin said, explaining any struggles Williams may have had yesterday. "There's a number of factors; it's not just that she misses Serena. As she said, we went out and fought hard. It was a good contest. Of course she's always played with Serena, but there were a number of other factors and you have to take all those things into account."

The sisters have suffered injuries, and the family tragedy of their sister's untimely death. And there's nothing wrong with having a life, or preparing for a future beyond a sport you once dominated.

Deep down, we know this is not where our problem lies. It lies in our seeing potential maxed out at such a tender age, ostensibly because of dedication gone awry, but likely because of the distractions life inherently brings.

The questions is, can we blame the Williams' sisters for yielding to them.

The answer would be yes. Not because it's right, but because when such potential greatness sits before us, we don't care about anything else.

SerialKiller#69
Aug 17th, 2004, 04:40 AM
The Chinese team didn't succumb.:bounce:

Eiffel
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:05 AM
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

加油!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

pcrtennis
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:14 AM
Any pics of Tian Tian and Ting that work????????

Experimentee
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:24 AM
Ting/Tian Tian :banana: :woohoo:

Its so great for them, the Olympics means so much to the Chinese that they have been preparing for this since Wimbledon and have played no tournaments bc they are concentrating on a possible medal. Good to see it all paid off! :D

I think they have a great chance to grab a medal now, since most of the top teams arent playing together except Kuzzy/Likhovtseva. I'd expect a silver or bronze would be a realistic expectation.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:24 AM
Tian Tian :woohoo: :D

Shocking :)

Experimentee
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:30 AM
The article posted is just so incredibly stupid. First the title, "Venus loses"? Its as if it was all Venus' fault that they lost and nothing to do with Chanda! :rolleyes:

And why is it such a surprise anyway? Venus and Chanda have never played together while Li/Sun are a top doubles team who have played together all the time for a few years now. They act like it is the end of Venus just because she lost a doubles match! And they are also talking about the end of Serena, even though she wasnt even involved. Stupid idiots :mad:

Eiffel
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:40 AM
Any pics of Tian Tian and Ting that work????????

:D :D :D :D
http://photo.sohu.com/20040817/Img221567869.jpg http://photo.sohu.com/20040817/Img221567395.jpg http://photo.sohu.com/20040817/Img221567555.jpg http://photo.sohu.com/20040817/Img221567518.jpg http://photo.sohu.com/20040817/Img221574976.jpg

Experimentee
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:47 AM
Thanks for the pics! Anyone who actually follows tennis or follows doubles will know that these two are a quality team who can beat anyone on their day!

Eiffel
Aug 17th, 2004, 06:58 AM
more :angel:
http://image2.sina.com.cn/2004/te/p/2004-08-17/U774P249T3D69861F37DT20040817042552.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/2004/te/p/2004-08-17/U774P249T3D69858F37DT20040817042523.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/2004/te/p/2004-08-17/U774P249T3D69857F37DT20040817042515.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/2004/te/p/2004-08-17/U774P249T3D69859F37DT20040817042539.jpg
:kiss:

jirobkk
Aug 17th, 2004, 07:16 AM
C'mon Chinese girls

Greenout
Aug 17th, 2004, 09:00 AM
Wow.What a win! I would never have imagined this outcome.
Just :eek:

Congrats! Highly impressive, and the joy
of victory photo's are fun.

flyingmachine
Aug 17th, 2004, 09:08 AM
more :angel:
http://image2.sina.com.cn/2004/te/p/2004-08-17/U774P249T3D69859F37DT20040817042539.jpg
:kiss:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

samp20
Aug 17th, 2004, 09:51 AM
Not the outcome that I wanted but exciting nonetheless! I'm always up for a great upset. While I agree that Chanda didn't play as well as Venus, I can't honestly say that it was her fault. Simply put, they just weren't a good fit.

SerialKiller#69
Aug 18th, 2004, 05:41 AM
After seeing the pic, I'm glad they won. I feel happy for them.