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ttaM
Dec 13th, 2001, 06:07 AM
I found out Pam Shriver is a *cough* Republican. And that Chris Evert is friends w/Kathrine Harris *barf*. So, does anyone else know where the players stand politically? I assume Martina N. is more Liberal then Conservative.

Adrian
Dec 13th, 2001, 06:09 AM
I believe it was a private Joke between Martina and Pam, Their political views were so different off-court that is why they got on so well on court, one was very left, the other very far-right <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Rollo
Dec 13th, 2001, 06:26 AM
Pammy can't be too far right to have Martina as a good friend. She's a fiscal conservative(think Bush senior) not a social one((like Reagen). There are many shades of Republicans and Democrats.

I read somewhere that Katerina Maleeva was an anti-communist protester before communism fell in Bulgaria.

Adrian
Dec 13th, 2001, 06:29 AM
I would like to think Rollo, that cemented friendships will always over ride personal political views, which I think is the case here <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

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ttaM
Dec 13th, 2001, 07:02 AM
Zvereva spoke out against her government as well, right?

Rollo
Dec 13th, 2001, 08:24 AM
She certainly spoke out against the Soviet tennis association, which wanted to keep most of her prize money!

I remember Monica Seles getting a lot of Yugoslav questions in the early 90's. Being born in Serbia, some of the Croatians like Goran Ivanesevic were critical because she refused to discuss the whole mess. This was probably wise on her part, because her family were ethnic Hungarians, not Serbs. She got death threats over this issue.

Halardfan
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:35 AM
Within reason a players political opinions wouldn't matter to me...but I admit if I found out Julie held hard right wing views, I would feel disappointed.

But Im sure she's too nice. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

irma
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:40 AM
Is it realy true that Ivanisevic said that if he had won wimbledon 92 and Monica would have too. That he had refused to go the wimbledonball because she was born in Serbia ? I think that`s awfull.

thefreedesigner
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:43 AM
Er, I know this isn't WTA-related, but Tim Henman did say he didn't really agree with a Labour Government... and I think he's 'sympathetic' to Conservative views.

[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: thefreedesigner ]</p>

Volcana
Dec 13th, 2001, 11:59 AM
I never saw even a statement against apartheid by Amanda Coetzer, which has always disappointed me. OTOH, when Nelson Mandela thanks tennis starts for refusing to play in SOuth Africa despite being offered "huge sums of money", one of the players in attendance whom he thanked was none other than Amanda Coezer. And as a South African and white, she no doubt took more sh*t for this than other players on the tour.

We'd all like our favorites to be Muhammed Ali going to jail for his beliefs. Or Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the Mexico City Olympics. Or Arthur Ashe, dingin with presidents and kings and making his piints inporivate with a quiet word in their ear. Well, most of us would like that. Sometimes its not so easy.

But if Nelson Mandela says Amnda's cool on this, then she's cool with me.

Kart
Dec 13th, 2001, 12:14 PM
Ivanisevic said that if he won Wimbledon and Monica did in 1992 that he would not dance with her at the ball as I believe the champions normally do.

Of course, he never got the opportunity to refuse her ...

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 13th, 2001, 01:57 PM
Venus and Serena are non-political. They are, however fiscally conservative (as most rich folks are) and socially moderate.

Aloysius
Dec 13th, 2001, 02:09 PM
(Add to this his homophobic and sexist comments) And for some reason, this Ivanisevic fancies himself a religious fellow. Git.

I wonder if many or any of the players actually have time to vote, let alone have time to sit down and think about which particular political party to support. I'm thinking more about the players who come from countries where there has been little or no history of severe political unrest.

Gandalf
Dec 13th, 2001, 03:01 PM
I read that Natalie Tauziat concurred to the local elections in France with the conservative party. Anyone also heard about this?.

Halardfan
Dec 13th, 2001, 03:51 PM
Sounds about right about Tauziat. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Henman is a muppet! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

ys
Dec 13th, 2001, 04:32 PM
Goran has always been pretty nationalistic. It didn't prevent him from skipping Davis Cup sometimes though..

Amanda Coetzer became a Top 100 player when the apartheid was already going or gone. Isolation has ended by then.

Kart
Dec 13th, 2001, 04:44 PM
Henman is a joke, but unfortunately the majority of the British public see him as a hero. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Ditto for their opinion of Goran, I can't believe they voted him 'overseas personality of the year.' <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

aliceb
Dec 13th, 2001, 06:51 PM
It seems to me as though about 95% of Tennis players are Conservative, yet, some Rock Stars and actors earn mega bucks and hold Liberal or Left wing views. Must be the old jock mentality! I heard that Martina N and John McEnroe both endorsed the campaign of the Guy that lost the Democratic nomination to Al Gore (was his name Bill Bradley??), but I don't know much about him. <br />Perhaps an American fan could tell me if that's true and also a little about the Guy e.g. - is he more left wing than Gore?

tfannis
Dec 13th, 2001, 07:06 PM
I've heard that Agassi <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> supported the campaign of Al Gore and the Democrates in general. Andre is a very rich man, but he isn't conservative at all; he's an open minded, great guy. I also believe he absolutly didn't want Bush <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> to win the elections. Unfortunatily, luck wasn't on his side. <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" />

I've always had a bad feeling about Henman. Now I have a reason not to like him.

Rollo
Dec 13th, 2001, 07:08 PM
I would say Bradley was a bit more liberal than Gore, which made him less electable, but unlike Gore, he wasn't associated with Clinton, which made him more electable. For a Democrat to be elected President these days, he needs to come from the South( like Clinton, Gore, Carter, and LB Johnson). Kennedy was the last northern Democrat, and by today's standards he would be a moderate.<br />Bradley comes from New Jersey or New York, a northern state.

As a former basketball star, Bradley also had a bit of a celebrity factor.

[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: Rollo ]</p>

auntie janie
Dec 13th, 2001, 07:12 PM
I know Monica Seles is registered to vote, because she served on Jury Duty one year. I bet any other player would have gotten out of jury duty, but Monica is an enthusiastic American citizen and she took it seriously, even though it badly disrupted her training that summer.

JasonW
Dec 13th, 2001, 09:16 PM
I know Arantxa is a Conservative! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I am surprised that most tennis players appear to be conservative, and that Johnny Mac supported Bradley. Bradley is definently more Conservative than Gore, He is an Eagle Scout, (which I almost am). Are you sure Venus and Serena are Non-Political, they supported both Gore and Clinton in the only two elections they could vote in.

Dado
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:14 PM
I think Ivanisevic is shit.<br />I think that we never must make a mix sports/political.

He won't danced with her. But who knows, maybe she won't danced with him.

Monica i a yugoslav-girl. Her father was from Hungary, but he loves Yugoslavia much more. I've heard that he want going back to Yugo before few years but Monicas mum won't.

Halardfan
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:19 PM
I think John Mcenroe is cool...in his own way. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

He's just mis-understood. Sort of.

Anyway, I still like him. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

ttaM
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:28 PM
It might also depend on where the players live. Florida is a republican state, California is a democratic state. Monica lives in Sarasota, which is Republican heavy when it comes to elected officials there (Don't go right Monica!).

I remember a reporter asking Monica is she voted in the 2000 election, she didn't. I guess she got an adsentee ballot (?) but it was too late to send it in or something. I wonder who she voted for?

JasonW
Dec 14th, 2001, 12:12 AM
Monica didn't vote. She said in an interview after "If I had remembered to register I definently would have voted."

Celeste
Dec 14th, 2001, 01:10 AM
With regard to the finances, unlike most other celebrities, tennis players' window of time to make the really big money is much shorter. By the time most are 30, they retire. Can you imagine living the rest of your life on the money you saved by your 30th birthday? While they can certainly make a load of money after this, I don't think it's the same. I'm sure endorsement-darling Chris Evert still rakes it in, but not like she used to when she was playing. And particularly women tennis players don't make the money most men athletes make in other sports with equally-limited "earning life spans" so it does make sense many are fiscally conservative politically. What they earn before age 30 is the lifestyle to which they become accostomed, and these are the funds that will have to support them until they die, most of the time, many decades later. Maybe Venus' Reebok contract will become the standard in the sport, but I doubt it. I can't think of any active Republicans on the circuit, though, sometimes I wonder if Lindsay is like Pam but less vocal, just my opinion.

Zummi
Dec 14th, 2001, 02:50 AM
Among the American tennis players, most of the recent few have been bigtime Republicans - Chris Evert, Jimmy Connors, Ivan Lendl, Tracy Austin, Pam Shriver, Pete Sampras, Jim Courier, Lindsay Davenport etc. etc.

The handful of Democrats include Martina Navratilova, John McEnroe, Billie Jean King, Andre Agassi, Venus & Serena Williams.

Martina said that when she first came to the U.S. she identified as a Republican (the Rockefeller kind) but after the Reagan Right took over, she became an ardent Democrat. Martina did support Bill Bradley in the 2000 Democratic primary along with McEnroe; Martina is also a regular contributor to Emily's List, the powerful political organization dedicated to electing pro-choice Democratic women. Billie Jean King was a big contributor to Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign last year, along with Andre Agassi, who also gave big to Vice-President Al Gore's campaign.

Evert, Austin & Shriver were/are huge Republicans and got invited to the White House on a number of occasions during the Reagan/Bush I years; also both inaugrations (1985 & 1989). Bush Sr. plays in Evert's charity event every year. Tracy Austin is very close to Nancy Reagan. Pam Shriver used to gush endlessly about President Reagan (he and his wife used to call her "Pammy"). Pam was also a contributor to Dubya's campaign last year. And she was vice-chairman of "Athletes for Bush/Quayle" in 1988. Oddly enough though, Pam & Tracy participated in a fundraiser for Congresswoman Jane Harman in California last year (she's a Democrat, who ran unsuccessfully for California governor in 1998 and reclaimed her House seat last year). Congresswoman Harman is reputed for her fiscally conservative, socially liberal, hawkish on defence positions so that certainly must fit in well with Pam.

Ivan Lendl is a firm Republican. There's the story about the time someone told him he voted for Dukakis in 1988, to which Lendl replied, "So you're a Communist?" Lendl & Martina were the total opposite. They got along fine, but Lendl said he felt Martina was too radical and Martina thought he was too set in his ways.

I remember Monica was asked about the 1996 election back in the day, and she said she didn't vote b/c she didn't like the candidates. Both Clinton & Dole were moderates within their own parties. So I guess it's safe to deduce that Monica is either a flaming liberal or a dyed-in-the-wool conservative...

ttaM
Dec 14th, 2001, 04:12 AM
Thanks for the replies.

I didn't know Andre was a big time Democrate. I am more surprised McEnroe is. He was/is so sexist I thought he'd fit right in with a lot of the far right Republicans. I thought Davenport would be a Democrate since California is usually a liberal minded state. Billie and Martina doesn't really surprise me. What exactly is a "Rockefeller" Republican? Courier I thought would be a liberal. Llendl is the type of Republican I hate. Bush 1 was the worst President. Read the book The Bombings, The Betrayls, And a berieved families search for Justice: Pan Am 103 and you'll understand. Though I doubt Dukakis would have been much better himself at the time. Well, Sampras I would have guessed he would be a conservative, although I wonder if being married to a Hollywood actress might turn him? Interesting stuff

[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: GoMonica ]</p>

Adrian
Dec 14th, 2001, 04:15 AM
If you read your post again Gomonica, I think you may of turned Sampras <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

ttaM
Dec 14th, 2001, 04:18 AM
[Editing]...[Editing]... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

aliceb
Dec 14th, 2001, 12:33 PM
Hey JasonW, how do you know Arantxa's a Conservative? Although it dosen't surprise me. She's one of those 'I'm so patriotic that I'll not pay taxes I can well afford to help my less well-off fellow citizens' types, in her case, Spain and Andorra. My favourite Amelie is just the same, having moved from France (which you'll remember give Gay and Lesbian citizens more rights than most places, to which you think she'd be grateful to the current government) to neutral and Conservative minded Switzerland (when did they give Women the vote?).<br />Thanks for the info about Bradley, although some of you seem to think he's more Conservative than Gore, and others are saying he's more Liberal!<br />A lot of poeple in the UK, btw, think it's funny how anyone mildly Liberal is considered a Communist by some people in the States. Some of my political heroes, like Tony Benn or the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, would've been in trouble if they's tried and stood for office in the States, I think!

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 14th, 2001, 01:03 PM
When I say Venus and Serena are non-political, that is they don't vote or associate themselves with any party. However, thier views are fiscally conservative meaning they appreciate the tax cuts by George Bush, and are more for a flat-tax (which I hope does not happen) and socially moderate, meaning, they agree with abortion within a certain time frame, minorities rights (including gay & lesbian), etc.

moon
Dec 14th, 2001, 11:28 PM
Didn't Serena & Chanda skip the Charleston tourney last year because of the NAACP boycott?

Celeste
Dec 15th, 2001, 05:09 AM
Yes, they have skipped it the last two years. Serena was going to play there in 2000 (Hilton Head), but a reporter asked her about the boycott at a tournament earlier that year right after she announced she was playing there, and she didn't know anything about it. Shortly thereafter, she pulled out on those grounds saying something to the effect of she wasn't going to play in a state that degrades her race. Alexandra Stevenson went that year and had a meeting with the governor to address it. I'm not sure what was said.

Zummi
Dec 22nd, 2001, 08:17 AM
According to Stevenson, it was because of her that the Confederate flag issue in South Carolina was solved. All thanks to her superior skills of persuasion and her amazing intelligence. (She is, after all, going to college, you know.) The Governor & numerous state senators & representatives send her thank-you messages to express their gratitude for her efforts, without which no progress would have been made.

Here is a photo of Chris Evert with her good friend, Katherine Harris, at Evert's recent charity event. Also present in the photo is former mayor of New York, David Dinkins.

http://www.wslegends.com/chrissie_dinkins_harris.jpg

[ December 22, 2001: Message edited by: Zummi ]</p>

Celeste
Dec 22nd, 2001, 04:53 PM
I take it you're joking about Alexandra Stevenson. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ? If not, well, good for her, but I don't recall she had more than one meeting. I guess that girl works wonders.

That top looks awful on Katherine Harris. I heard a rumor she's running for Congress, but I don't know if it's true. Maybe Chris will help her with her campaign and give her a plug during the French Open: "My mentee Martina Hingis, former World No. 1 and 208 weeks as No. 1 and 5-time Grand Slam Singles champion, was over for one of my Boca Raton barbeques, along with Heidi Graf and her grandson. My friend Katherine Harris was there also helping me flip the weenies. She's running for Congress so I was happy she could take some time out for my family gathering." I can see her saying this during a match.

Where do you think Chris' left hand is in the picture?

Brian Stewart
Dec 22nd, 2001, 05:17 PM
I would hope such a plug wouldn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.

On a sort of different political skew, one of the things I found amusing a few years ago, when the Williams sisters first blossomed and their background became public, was the tennis announcers' recounting of their own "humble" backgrounds. A sort of, "I had it tough, too" contest. Tracy told us how both her parents had to work to pay the $20,000 a year for her tennis training. I'm sure we all got out our violins. (I'm only a bit older than Tracy, and when I was that age, we were living on $80 a week. My heart bleeds for her.) And we had Chris recounting how she came from parents with "not a lot of money". Could you be a bit more vague, please? (Keep in mind, her political friends consider an annual income of $200,000 "middle class".)

It just demonstrates once again how out of touch the tennis community is with the outside world. (Like whenever they compare tennis players to football players.) But, it's always good for a laugh. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

CCCP1
Apr 14th, 2007, 10:25 AM
Bump, intresting thread

Borris
Apr 14th, 2007, 10:33 AM
I can't understand how you can be conservative concerning taxes and liberal concerning social rights.....

The republican attitude towards taxes shows their a-social politics.

gotthebend
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:31 AM
:couple: Err, but I thought Switzerland just passed a referendum giving gays and lesbians "marriage" right, which will become law in the near future.

Hey JasonW, how do you know Arantxa's a Conservative? Although it dosen't surprise me. She's one of those 'I'm so patriotic that I'll not pay taxes I can well afford to help my less well-off fellow citizens' types, in her case, Spain and Andorra. My favourite Amelie is just the same, having moved from France (which you'll remember give Gay and Lesbian citizens more rights than most places, to which you think she'd be grateful to the current government) to neutral and Conservative minded Switzerland (when did they give Women the vote?).<br />Thanks for the info about Bradley, although some of you seem to think he's more Conservative than Gore, and others are saying he's more Liberal!<br />A lot of poeple in the UK, btw, think it's funny how anyone mildly Liberal is considered a Communist by some people in the States. Some of my political heroes, like Tony Benn or the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, would've been in trouble if they's tried and stood for office in the States, I think!

xan
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:39 AM
I think a lot of sport stars are conservative because the ideology fits in with the winner-takes-all-loser-nowhere ethic of professional sport.

I noticed in a look round his home on Eurosport, that Andy Roddick seems to support liberal issues. He also had a big picture of Nelson Mandela painted in one room as one of his inspiriational figures.

Shvedbarilescu
Apr 14th, 2007, 11:49 AM
I suspect Conservatives outnumber Liberals in tennis by about 3 to 1. Real shame that. :sad:

But it does fit. If you look at their taste in music or movies those too are generally very conservative and mainstream. There just aren't that many open-minded, adventuous tennis players.

Chrissie-fan
Apr 14th, 2007, 12:05 PM
I suspect Conservatives outnumber Liberals in tennis by about 3 to 1. Real shame that. :sad:

But it does fit. If you look at their taste in music or movies those too are generally very conservative and mainstream. There just aren't that many open-minded, adventuous tennis players.
My guess would be that most of them are economically conservative and moderate or leftist on moral issues.

lynnlovestennis
Apr 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Actually, Pam Shriver gives (http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/Pam_Shriver.php) to both D's and R's. If I rem correctly she is a registered R though. Anyway, bear in mind that political contributions are public in the US through the FEC, so if you really care, you can look them up. Personally, I'm not running, so why do I care? :)

lolas
Apr 14th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I wonder if Steffi is political.

©@®eLess
Apr 14th, 2007, 04:08 PM
Jelena Dokic and her father backed up Serb nationalist and war criminal Seselj when they came back to Serbia :(

And then her career and reputation in Serbia went from sky high to deep sh*t!

woosey
Apr 14th, 2007, 04:11 PM
brad gilbert had no problems playing in south africa during the boycott; he said he was actually helping the south african economy by doing so. one of the reasons i've never liked him and was surprised agassi would have him as a coach/friend for so long.

venus and serena did not play charleston during the naacp boycott of south carolina. i think at least serena has more "awareness" than most of the idiots on the tour.

i'll bet roger federer is not so convervative either.

CDGS22
Apr 14th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the replies.

I didn't know Andre was a big time Democrate. I am more surprised McEnroe is. He was/is so sexist I thought he'd fit right in with a lot of the far right Republicans. I thought Davenport would be a Democrate since California is usually a liberal minded state. Billie and Martina doesn't really surprise me. What exactly is a "Rockefeller" Republican? Courier I thought would be a liberal. Llendl is the type of Republican I hate. Bush 1 was the worst President. Read the book The Bombings, The Betrayls, And a berieved families search for Justice: Pan Am 103 and you'll understand. Though I doubt Dukakis would have been much better himself at the time. Well, Sampras I would have guessed he would be a conservative, although I wonder if being married to a Hollywood actress might turn him? Interesting stuff

[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: GoMonica ]</p>

umm...not all republicans are sexists...:fiery:

CDGS22
Apr 14th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I wonder if Steffi is political.

Yea, does anyone know what Steffi supports?

Talula
Apr 14th, 2007, 05:25 PM
:couple: Err, but I thought Switzerland just passed a referendum giving gays and lesbians "marriage" right, which will become law in the near future.

Years beind other European countries.

Talula
Apr 14th, 2007, 05:32 PM
I suspect Conservatives outnumber Liberals in tennis by about 3 to 1. Real shame that. :sad:

But it does fit. If you look at their taste in music or movies those too are generally very conservative and mainstream. There just aren't that many open-minded, adventuous tennis players.

I agree - just look at what tennis stars say their favourite films and music are in interviews and their profiles. Brooke Shields thought Agassi was homopobic. Seles craves money and also played tennis with Condoleeza Rice - cause quite a stir a year or so ago. I can understand Monica's position. She saw Yugoslavia at its worst, she was dirt poor and had no freedoms, so she just fell right into the American way, as did Navratilova.

But it's one area where I always feel uncomfortable as a tennis fan, knowing that most of them are right wing.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 14th, 2007, 07:00 PM
:lol: at this thread.

a lot of athletes (in sports other than tennis) called themselves democrat until they got their first big paycheck and saw how much taxes were taken out. Then all the sudden they become "fiscal conservatives" :rolleyes:

Imho, Tennis (at least here in the states) is a different case. The country club nature of the game breeds conservative thinking. By in large, the kids who are able to rise in the sport to competetive professional status come from families with the ECONOMIC MEANS to support them. Generally speaking you'll find very conservative thinking in those families. Most young people- not all but most- tend to follow in their parents foot steps when it comes to political affiliation-especially if that affiliation/philosophy seems to have contributed to their success.

Joana
Apr 14th, 2007, 07:18 PM
I can understand Monica's position. She saw Yugoslavia at its worst, she was dirt poor and had no freedoms, so she just fell right into the American way, as did Navratilova.
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She didn't see Yugoslavia at its worst, wasn't dirt poor and had freedoms.

StZox
Apr 14th, 2007, 08:25 PM
II won't waste my words discussing Ivanisevic

nflatte
Apr 14th, 2007, 08:59 PM
I didn't know Lindsay Davenport was a Republican. But I can see why since she has earned over 20 million dollars in career prize money. What's your validation on her political view though? I've always wondered the same for Mary Jo.

Karolina_Sprem
Apr 14th, 2007, 09:30 PM
It is well known that Iva Majoli is VERY conservative.... She is a member of HDZ (Croatian Democrat Union) - biggest political party in Croatia, and it is well know that in the 90s she used to play tennis with ex croatian president Dr. Tudjman.

Princeza
Apr 14th, 2007, 09:40 PM
Is it realy true that Ivanisevic said that if he had won wimbledon 92 and Monica would have too. That he had refused to go the wimbledonball because she was born in Serbia ? I think that`s awfull.

That wouldn't be surprising from such a guy:rolleyes:

Bruno71
Apr 14th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Most of what I've read in this thread seems to suggest that a player may support candidates in either party...just like most people in the country. Pam Shriver may be a registered Republican, but we don't know how she stands on every issue. I'd be willing to bet she'd like to see her good friend Martina have the right to marry her partner.