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lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:05 PM
who challenged Lindsay on the summer hardcourts in California this summer?

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:18 PM
It says that Lindsay is on a major tear like in 1998/2001, and that Venus is finally starting to regain some form. It says nothing about the rest of the field.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:19 PM
nothing, Lindsay is just playing the best i've ever seen her :D :worship: :bounce:

Shenanigans
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:34 PM
It's more about you, the fact that u sit their thinking ways to mention Venus in Threads.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:37 PM
It's more about you, the fact that u sit their thinking ways to mention Venus in Threads.
I'm a fan, :rolleyes:, that's why I talk about her.

Stamp Paid
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:38 PM
It says that if Venus could have played those tiebreaks better, then Lurch would have lost that match. And if Venus had been able to get that first set off ol' slewfoot at the JPMOrgan CHase Open, then Venus would have been the one to beat on hardcourts.

*hingis_forever*
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:38 PM
Mashona Washington must be the third best in the summer hardcourt season so far as she is only the second person to take a set off of Davenport! :p

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:38 PM
It says that if Venus could stay healthy, she's Linsday's biggest threat.

I'm really hoping for Venus vs. Lindsay final at the Open, that'd be great

*hingis_forever*
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:39 PM
It says that if Venus could have played those tiebreaks better, then Lurch would have lost that match. And if Venus had been able to get that first set off ol' slewfoot at the JPMOrgan CHase Open, then Venus would have been the one to beat on hardcourts.
Oh what if! Who cares!? Lindsay won and that's what counts!

SJW
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:39 PM
that Venus is the best thing behind Princess Masha

Stamp Paid
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:40 PM
It says that if Venus could stay healthy, she's Linsday's biggest threat.

I'm really hoping for Venus vs. Lindsay final at the Open, that'd be great
No, Damn that, Lurch would still get too close to her goal by making the finals. I want a Venus/Slewfoot QF at the US Open. Break Lindsays heart at the pass. http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/sad.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/sad.gif

http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Stamp Paid
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:41 PM
Oh what if! Who cares!? Lindsay won and that's what counts!
Um, duh! The question was asked, and I answered it!

kyk710
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:42 PM
It says that Lindsay is havn't a great hardcourt season, and is the favorite as of right now going into the Olympics and the U.S. Open.

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:48 PM
That you shouldn´t crown Lindsay the u.s.open winner just yet.

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:53 PM
No, Damn that, Lurch would still get too close to her goal by making the finals. I want a Venus/Slewfoot QF at the US Open. Break Lindsays heart at the pass. http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/sad.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/sad.gif

http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Does it annoy you that the WS aren't winning these kind of events, and you feel the need to insult other players?

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:20 PM
Venus????? Come on!!!! This Lady performed like a top 20 players from the last 3 grandlams!!!!! Oh, I forgot!!!! she is not healthy yet!!!! crap!!!!!!!!

Hant Hant
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:24 PM
it says nothing about anyone else. Let's give credit where credit is due. Lindsay played the best so far out of everyone.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:24 PM
Venus????? Come on!!!! This Lady performed like a top 20 players from the last 3 grandlams!!!!! Oh, I forgot!!!! she is not healthy yet!!!! crap!!!!!!!!
Yes, she has been injured and has just as many or more titles than eight of the players who will be in next week's top ten.

BTW, her last Grand Slam final was last year's Wimbledon; Lindsay's was the 2000 US Open.

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:26 PM
Sigh. It says Lindsay is playing amazingly at the moment. And Venus is still good enough to challenge her when healthy. And Venus is still one of the top players in the world. Is that what you wanted to hear? Because that's the truth... So what exactly was the point of this thread?

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:27 PM
I still cannot believe this Lindsay resurrection. It boggles the mind.

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:29 PM
Yes, she has been injured and has just as many or more titles than eight of the players who will be in next week's top ten.

BTW, her last Grand Slam final was last year's Wimbledon; Lindsay's was the 2000 US Open.
And Lindsay won three consecutive titles beating Venus two times and Serena at one final.

Also, Lindsay's performance from the last 3 GS were far better than Venus. Lindsay also dont lose to the likes of Raymond, Sprem and Kutznetsova in early rounds.

Ivan C
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:29 PM
Venus LOSING 2/2 times to Lindsay, is that something to be proud of? She's the only one to have lost twice to her after all.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:30 PM
Sigh. It says Lindsay is playing amazingly at the moment. And Venus is still good enough to challenge her when healthy. And Venus is still one of the top players in the world. Is that what you wanted to hear? Because that's the truth... So what exactly was the point of this thread?
If you don't get the point of this thread, then you should not have posted here.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:32 PM
And Lindsay won three consecutive titles beating Venus two times and Serena at one final.

Also, Lindsay's performance from the last 3 GS were far better than Venus. Lindsay also dont lose to the likes of Raymond, Sprem and Kutznetsova in early rounds.
But she still has three GS trophies, with this USO probably being her last chance of getting another trophy while Venus has many more chances to win.

Plus this is the first time in four years that Venus and Serena lost to Lindsay.

Shenanigans
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:35 PM
If you don't get the point of this thread, then you should not have posted here.


'tterb' didn't u know, you are only actually meant to post in Lizchris threads if u actually agree with her.

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:36 PM
If you don't get the point of this thread, then you should not have posted here.

Oh, I think I understand the point. You seem to like to play the martyr... NOBODY is giving Venus her dues, so you'll start a thread about it, right? Well I know there are plenty of detractors, but why do you feel the need to make it a point in every post to try to prove wrong people who will never agree with you anyway?

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:40 PM
But she still has three GS trophies, with this USO probably being her last chance of getting another trophy while Venus has many more chances to win.

Plus this is the first time in four years that Venus and Serena lost to Lindsay.
You also said 2 years ago that Lindsay would not beat the Williams again and She would never be a contender in a GS again. What a sudden change from your prediction!!!! Now she has a chance in the US Open!!!!

And how would I believed you that Lindsay has less chances than Venus in a GS??? Based on the latest results, I would put my Money on Lindsay and in the years comming when Lindsay retires, I guess Venus better retire too coz she just miss the boat filled by the russians.

By the way, add 43 titles in her GS collection. And the GS trophies were also three of a kind so she is just not a hardcourt wonder.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:44 PM
And the GS trophies were also three of a kind so she is just not a hardcourt wonder.
How stupid do you sound here?

Kart
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:48 PM
It says that Lindsay is on a major tear like in 1998/2001, and that Venus is finally starting to regain some form. It says nothing about the rest of the field.
I like this answer.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:52 PM
You also said 2 years ago that Lindsay would not beat the Williams again and She would never be a contender in a GS again. What a sudden change from your prediction!!!! Now she has a chance in the US Open!!!!

And how would I believed you that Lindsay has less chances than Venus in a GS??? Based on the latest results, I would put my Money on Lindsay and in the years comming when Lindsay retires, I guess Venus better retire too coz she just miss the boat filled by the russians.

By the way, add 43 titles in her GS collection. And the GS trophies were also three of a kind so she is just not a hardcourt wonder.


Based on what I saw two years ago, I didn't think she would, but I didn't count on Venus or Serena (who has four of a kind GS trophies) being injured either.

Why should Venus retire at 24? She still has years of tennis ahead of her and mroe chances to win. I might be wrong, but I don't remember Lindsay having 32 singles titles by the age of 24.

Venus isn't a hardcourt wonder either. She won a Grand Slam on grass, won an Olympic gold on Rebound Ace and won every Grand Slam doubles titles, one of them being on clay.

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:52 PM
Oh, I think I understand the point. You seem to like to play the martyr... NOBODY is giving Venus her dues, so you'll start a thread about it, right? Well I know there are plenty of detractors, but why do you feel the need to make it a point in every post to try to prove wrong people who will never agree with you anyway?
Look you have to give that lizchris credit for wearing her heart on her sleeve about her favorite. But sadly she has nothing else constructive or intellingent to say after that.

She might get it someday but for now let her look stupid.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:54 PM
Look you have to give that lizchris credit for wearing her heart on her sleeve about her favorite. But sadly she has nothing else constructive or intellingent to say after that.

She might get it someday but for now let her look stupid.
The person who looks stupid is the person who posts in thread of a person he/she doesn't even like and contributes nothing to boot.:rolleyes:

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:58 PM
The person who looks stupid is the person who posts in thread of a person he/she doesn't even like and contributes nothing to boot.:rolleyes:
This is a board to discuss tennis. And when posters like yourself post about stuff she doesn't know what she is talking about, I can't pass that up.

Keep wiping your ass lizchris that seems to be your talent around here.....

SerenaVenusNo1
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:58 PM
who challenged Lindsay on the summer hardcourts in California this summer?

Um, whatever, LizChris. Aren't you forgetting about Mashona Washington?

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:00 PM
This is a board to discuss tennis. And when posters like yourself post about stuff she doesn't know what she is talking about, I can't pass that up.

Keep wiping your ass lizchris that seems to be your talent around here.....

Why don't you consider giving her a break already.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:04 PM
This is a board to discuss tennis. And when posters like yourself post about stuff she doesn't know what she is talking about, I can't pass that up.

Keep wiping your ass lizchris that seems to be your talent around here.....
The rest of us are discussing tennis; I don't know what the hell you are doing.

I always wipe because I'd rather do that than look like the ass that you are.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:05 PM
Um, whatever, LizChris. Aren't you forgetting about Mashona Washington?
NO, but I don't remember Mashona playing her in two straight tournaments.

Ivan C
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:10 PM
Not all the top players have played her yet.

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:10 PM
It says that if Venus could have played those tiebreaks better, then Lurch would have lost that match. And if Venus had been able to get that first set off ol' slewfoot at the JPMOrgan CHase Open, then Venus would have been the one to beat on hardcourts.

pity venus wasn't good enough to do any of this.

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:11 PM
don't get me wrong i'm well aware of the dangers of doing up ones shoe laces. it was always just an accident waiting to happen

SerenaVenusNo1
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:12 PM
NO, but I don't remember Mashona playing her in two straight tournaments.

That doesn't matter. You said Venus was the only one to challenge her. Wrong. Mashona did too. Now what does THAT say about women's tennis?

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:13 PM
aren't you kind of degrading venus in a way lizchris ie if only venus could challenge lindsay, everyone else must be really bad.

SerenaVenusNo1
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:14 PM
And you know, I'll tell you what it says. It says every day is different, players don't always stay at the same level of performance.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:16 PM
That doesn't matter. You said Venus was the only one to challenge her. Wrong. Mashona did too. Now what does THAT say about women's tennis?
Actually that does matter, because if I remember correctly, Mashona lost 6-1 in the third set of her match against Lindsay; Venus lost 7-6(7-4) in the third, which means at least Venus put up a fight.

SerenaVenusNo1
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:17 PM
Actually that does matter, because if I remember correctly, Mashona lost 6-1 in the third set of her match against Lindsay; Venus lost 7-6(7-4) in the third, which means at least Venus put up a fight.

Concede this point, LizChris. Mashona went down 6-4 3-6 6-1 after leading the first set 4-1. THAT IS CHALLENGING LINDSAY. You'd be a fool not to admit it, and I know you're not a fool.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:17 PM
don't get me wrong i'm well aware of the dangers of doing up ones shoe laces. it was always just an accident waiting to happen*Knizzle looks at thiis poster's username and laughs quietly to himself*

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:17 PM
Actually that does matter, because if I remember correctly, Mashona lost 6-1 in the third set of her match against Lindsay; Venus lost 7-6(7-4) in the third, which means at least Venus put up a fight.

which means Venus knows her range.

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:20 PM
But she still has three GS trophies, with this USO probably being her last chance of getting another trophy while Venus has many more chances to win.

Plus this is the first time in four years that Venus and Serena lost to Lindsay.
Seriously, she's had some major injury problems in tht time which you probably forget. She is just playing well as her 2000 levels now, please don't take it away from her :drool:

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:20 PM
aren't you kind of degrading venus in a way lizchris ie if only venus could challenge lindsay, everyone else must be really bad.
No; I am saying that Venus obvioulsy isn't where she was 18 months ago, suffereing from injuries this year and the other players were supposed to be better and these players are supposed to be healthy and this is the best they can do.

In addition, it also proves right what I said about the Russians not being able to beat the Americans on the Californa hardcourts.

Ivan C
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:20 PM
She fucking LOST TWICE. Why are we talking about Venus was the only...? Its not like she won.

Geisha
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:21 PM
Venus LOSING 2/2 times to Lindsay, is that something to be proud of? She's the only one to have lost twice to her after all.

Yeah, okay. As if Venus was OBVIOUSLY going to lose the second time they played. Lindsay got a couple free points against Venus in Stanford and that is why she won. The second time, Venus was up 5-0!!! Then she got injured. That is not a loss.

DEETHELICK
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:22 PM
Venus challeneged Lindsay the most BEFORE she gained her confidence. Since then, only Elena D has given Lindsay anything to worry about.

It shows Lindsay is playing awesome tennis, is a genuine USO threat, and that Elena D and Venus could be the ones to knock her off her perch.

Lindsay has always found Venus and Elena difficult to handle. She has said so herself.

Geisha
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:22 PM
She fucking LOST TWICE. Why are we talking about Venus was the only...? Its not like she won.

She lost once and the other time she was injured. In her only REAL LOSS, she was the only one to go three sets and compete HARD with Lindsay. Serena lost 6-1, 6-3, Myskina 6-1, 6-1, Venus 7-6, 5-7, 7-6.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:23 PM
Seriously, she's had some major injury problems in tht time which you probably forget. She is just playing well as her 2000 levels now, please don't take it away from her :drool:
I am aware of that, but I am aware of something else; she only won one title within a year coming back from a major injury, whereas Venus won two and Venus wasn't even playing her best I wish some Williams sisters critics would see that.

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:23 PM
Yeah, okay. As if Venus was OBVIOUSLY going to lose the second time they played. Lindsay got a couple free points against Venus in Stanford and that is why she won. The second time, Venus was up 5-0!!! Then she got injured. That is not a loss.
She won as she got a couple of free points :lol:

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:26 PM
I am aware of that, but I am aware of something else; she only won one title within a year coming back from a major injury, whereas Venus won two and Venus wasn't even playing her best I wish some Williams sisters critics would see that.
Thats fair enough, but u gotta realise some players react differently to some injuries. Of course the WS may not be playing at their best, I acknowledge that, but its not fair to start putting down others achievements because of it.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:27 PM
Concede this point, LizChris. Mashona went down 6-4 3-6 6-1 after leading the first set 4-1. THAT IS CHALLENGING LINDSAY. You'd be a fool not to admit it, and I know you're not a fool.
I'll concede that, but I will also point out that if Mashona was a better player, she would have won that match.

Geisha
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:28 PM
Thats fair enough, but u gotta realise some players react differently to some injuries. Of course the WS may not be playing at their best, I acknowledge that, but its not fair to start putting down others achievements because of it.

I definitely agree. I don't even know why we are comparing who played a tighter match against Lindsay...I mean, we should all be mad that Venus or Serena or Anastasia or anybody lost. Just because Serena got killed and Venus didn't, they still walked away with Finalist trophies. Lindsay has played better.

Geisha
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:29 PM
She won as she got a couple of free points :lol:

Yes. I'm trying to say that only a couple points decided the winner. Venus was just off. Lindsay didn't whoop her or anything. You'd think that Lindsay would have won easier considering Venus hit about 40 forehand errors, right?

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:29 PM
Thats fair enough, but u gotta realise some players react differently to some injuries. Of course the WS may not be playing at their best, I acknowledge that, but its not fair to start putting down others achievements because of it.
I don't remember putting down her achievements this summer. I wasn't the one saying she will not win the USO without knowing who is going to be there for sure. Or saying that because the players who won in CA last year weren't herer that is why she won.

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:30 PM
And you know, I'll tell you what it says. It says every day is different, players don't always stay at the same level of performance.

Well that was nicely said. Not to mention short and sweet! :)

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:33 PM
*Knizzle looks at thiis poster's username and laughs quietly to himself*

*casanovalover looks at thiis poster's post wand wonders why he laughs at his username*

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:35 PM
Yes. I'm trying to say that only a couple points decided the winner. Venus was just off. Lindsay didn't whoop her or anything. You'd think that Lindsay would have won easier considering Venus hit about 40 forehand errors, right?
Yeah, but thats Venus' game. Maybe if she backed off a bit and not go for so much her forehand would be more secure.

Geisha
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:36 PM
Yeah, but thats Venus' game. Maybe if she backed off a bit and not go for so much her forehand would be more secure.

True, but I never said Venus played horribly. I mean, if Lindsay is playing so amazing, then she should have been able to get an easier match.

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:37 PM
Actually that does matter, because if I remember correctly, Mashona lost 6-1 in the third set of her match against Lindsay; Venus lost 7-6(7-4) in the third, which means at least Venus put up a fight.

she but as any unbias poster would admit the davenport/washington match was of a better quality than the davenport/venus match. i know you would never believe that but i saw both and although venus' match certainly had more excitement, i think when you consider that washington led 6-3, 4-4 it would be rather stupid to say she didn't challnge her.

CJK
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:37 PM
Lindsay was a mess in the first week of the series, I wouldnt read into it too much.

*JR*
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:47 PM
Given that Venus and Linzi have a career h2h that's almost dead even (12-11 Venus) ova a lot of matches, I'm sure they have enormous respect for eachother. And would be rather amused @ the idea of ppl they're not paying 10 cents doing battle "on their behalf" by stamping up and down about Who's Winning this great rivalry. (Then They'd remember the racial ovatones in venues like this, look @ eachother, and Sadly Sigh about many ppl here). :shrug:

faste5683
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:09 PM
who challenged Lindsay on the summer hardcourts in California this summer?

Beats me....what *does* it say about the rest of the Women's field?

:wavey:

SJW
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:19 PM
And the GS trophies were also three of a kind so she is just not a hardcourt wonder.
sorry lady, you know i like you, but Linzi has won 2 hc slams and 1 grass slam. Venus has won 2 hc slams and 2 grass slams. i don't really get your point.

Shenanigans
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:25 PM
sorry lady, you know i like you, but Linzi has won 2 hc slams and 1 grass slam. Venus has won 2 hc slams and 2 grass slams. i don't really get your point.


Wimbly - 99 - Remember Steffi did dispose of Lindsays biggest threat, Venus, in the quarters. I think Lindsay got a wee bit lucky that year.

mykarma
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:32 PM
This is a board to discuss tennis. And when posters like yourself post about stuff she doesn't know what she is talking about, I can't pass that up.

Keep wiping your ass lizchris that seems to be your talent around here.....I don't post here very often but you all are a mean bunch of people. If you don't like the Williams sisters, that's your priviledge. If you don't like someone, or their post, then respond to them. Why does it have to be "the ... Williams sisters fans? Or some ...Williams sisters fans. This is a message board with different people, and different opinions. One can disagree without being so ugly and condesending.:fiery:

harloo
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:35 PM
It proves that injuries are a plague of the tour, and the player who is playing decent and stays healthy can win. No big suprise. Lindsay has played well, and with no Justine, Kim, and both the sisters playing at a lower level she has a good chance of taking the Open.

I am not sure that the Russians can even stop her either due to inexperience. Sharapova looks like the attention of being the hunted has caught up to her, Demented cannot serve, Myskina is a good player but Lindsay can beat her style of retrieving, Svelta is not ready yet, and Sprem is inconsistent.

Things are looking up for Lindsay, so let her have her time. I don't think she will dominate, but it's good to see her win some of these titles again.

Jakeev
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:12 AM
I don't post here very often but you all are a mean bunch of people. If you don't like the Williams sisters, that's your priviledge. If you don't like someone, or their post, then respond to them. Why does it have to be "the ... Williams sisters fans? Or some ...Williams sisters fans. This is a message board with different people, and different opinions. One can disagree without being so ugly and condesending.:fiery:
If your were paying attention you would see I was reacting to lizchris and not Williams fans in general. Im a Serena fan myself.

And I only attack posters like lizchris who seem to think it's ok to defend their faves by chastizing others' faves. This is something that poster does constantly.

I have always argued against it and will continue to do so in the manner I see fit. If it offends you, that is frankly not my problem, especially if I am not responding to you.

mykarma
Aug 3rd, 2004, 02:43 AM
If your were paying attention you would see I was reacting to lizchris and not Williams fans in general. Im a Serena fan myself.

And I only attack posters like lizchris who seem to think it's ok to defend their faves by chastizing others' faves. This is something that poster does constantly.

I have always argued against it and will continue to do so in the manner I see fit. If it offends you, that is frankly not my problem, especially if I am not responding to you.My very first statement was, "I don't post here very often but you all are a mean bunch of people." You all means, more than one person, not just you. Your post happen to be the last one on the thread when I posted. I'm very much aware of what you and the other posters said. I'm also much aware that you were personally reacting to liz. I never said I was offended by YOUR post and certainly wouldn't think you'd care whether I was offended or not. I still feel as though one can disagree without being so ugly and condesending.

BTW, I know you weren't responding to me as lizchris wasn't specifically posting to you. When one post one this board, one expects to get response from many people.