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lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:46 PM
since her husband is Lindsay's agent and she obviously can't be objective. She just said that Lindsay had an easy win over Venus last week. Unless I was watching another match, wasn't Venus up 5-0 in the first set before her injury got worse?

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:51 PM
They also said nobody challenged Lindsey during this swing...:lol: I thought it took two tiebreaks to win the first title...:hehehe:

but whatever you know they get excited and say crazy *ish...:shrug:

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:51 PM
I was just about to make a thread called "Mary Joe is really running her mouth now"

Oooh I can't wait for the US Open. :fiery: I really hope Venus takes a WC at New Haven.

Suddenly no one has been able to challenge LD this summer?? I guess she took 3 hours to beat Venus easily at Stanford?? I also guess Venus leading her 5-0 was just Lindsay playing badly. Then LD just overwhemled Venus with her superior play and Venus' wrist had nothing to do with what happened. :rolleyes:

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:53 PM
They also said nobody challenged Lindsey during this swing...:lol: I thought it took two tiebreaks to win the first title...:hehehe:

but whatever you know they get excited and say crazy *ish...:shrug:
Rocketta, do you realize that the ONLY person to challenge Lindsay this summer is Venus, who was injured in both matches?

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:53 PM
:haha: :rolls: Can you imagine how foolish these people will look if Lindsay doesn´t win or at least reach the finals at the Open?!

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:55 PM
Rocketta, do you realize that the ONLY person to challenge Lindsay this summer is Venus, who was injured in both matches?
What was wrong with Venus in the first match? :scratch:

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:56 PM
Another "factoid" by MJF.

"Myskina beat Venus handily at the French Open"

Wasn't the score 6-3, 6-4?

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:57 PM
What was wrong with Venus in the first match? :scratch:
Her wrist was beginning to bother her in the third set of the Stanford match.

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:59 PM
Her wrist was beginning to bother her in the third set of the Stanford match.
hmm, oh well I don't consider that win against an injured Venus though. Lindsey won outright but she certainly didn't dominate or have an easy time of it and to say she did is to actually diminish what Lindsey did cause she fought through that match and that's something to be proud of not negated by her 'friend'.

Andrew.
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:00 PM
Another "factoid" by MJF.

"Myskina beat Venus handily at the French Open"

Wasn't the score 6-3, 6-4?
That's pretty handily.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:02 PM
That's pretty handily.
Jennifer only won fur games and Elena won two. That's hanidly in my opinion. The difference in Venus' match was a break of serve in each set.

htm
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:03 PM
since her husband is Lindsay's agent and she obviously can't be objective. She just said that Lindsay had an easy win over Venus last week. Unless I was watching another match, wasn't Venus up 5-0 in the first set before her injury got worse?


Thats nothing you should have heard the way Patrick M went on about Andy R last night during his match he even went so far as to accuss Keifer of trying to cheat when he question a line call, but during the US open last year Andy was calling some of his own line calls and getting away with it.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:04 PM
i don't think venus was injured at stanford, and really u guys r just jealous that Venus and Serena arent winning these summer hardcourt titles, because all i remember u guys talking about is that the williams would be back by the time the summer hardcourts were here and they would be winning all these titles, Lindsay has a great chance of winning the u.s open, she isn't gonna get nervous if she's the fav, and even if other players raise their game, there might not be much they can do if Lindsay is still playing this great

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:05 PM
Thats nothing you should have heard the way Patrick M went on about Andy R last night during his match he even went so far as to accuss Keifer of trying to cheat when he question a line call, but during the US open last year Andy was calling some of his own line calls and getting away with it.
Patty Mac is so gone over Andy. He knows better than to talk that stuff when Roddick's getting ready to face Roger Federer.

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:06 PM
i don't think venus was injured at stanford, and really u guys r just jealous that Venus and Serena arent winning these summer hardcourt titles, because all i remember u guys talking about is that the williams would be back by the time the summer hardcourts were here and they would be winning all these titles, Lindsay has a great chance of winning the u.s open, she isn't gonna get nervous if she's the fav, and even if other players raise their game, there might not be much they can do if Lindsay is still playing this great
who r u guys? I've never said anything of the such. Maybe you should be more specific about who you are talking about cause it's not me. Also, u guys didn't say venus was injured at Stanford either. Maybe 'you' should be a little more specific and not generalize?

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:07 PM
i don't think venus was injured at stanford, and really u guys r just jealous that Venus and Serena arent winning these summer hardcourt titles, because all i remember u guys talking about is that the williams would be back by the time the summer hardcourts were here and they would be winning all these titles, Lindsay has a great chance of winning the u.s open, she isn't gonna get nervous if she's the fav, and even if other players raise their game, there might not be much they can do if Lindsay is still playing this great
I wasn't saying that Serena would win all the summer hardcourts titles, but I thought if Venus playe better, she would. That didn't happen, but she still has the Olympics and the US Open and she has a chance of winning if she is healthy.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:08 PM
Rocketta, do you realize that the ONLY person to challenge Lindsay this summer is Venus, who was injured in both matches?

Venus was not injured in the first match, you loser.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:08 PM
i don't think venus was injured at stanford, and really u guys r just jealous that Venus and Serena arent winning these summer hardcourt titles, because all i remember u guys talking about is that the williams would be back by the time the summer hardcourts were here and they would be winning all these titles, Lindsay has a great chance of winning the u.s open, she isn't gonna get nervous if she's the fav, and even if other players raise their game, there might not be much they can do if Lindsay is still playing this great
I don't think Venus was injured in Stanford either. No one is jealous that the sisters haven't won these titles. What reason do we have to be jealous?? Nothing the sisters can do against Lindsay?? Yeah right. I'm definitely not worried about the sisters facing LD. Not at all.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:08 PM
who r u guys? I've never said anything of the such. Maybe you should be more specific about who you are talking about cause it's not me. Also, u guys didn't say venus was injured at Stanford either. Maybe 'you' should be a little more specific and not generalize?

srry i'm not saying its u, its just alot of the williams fans, if i could find a thread on it i would show u

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:08 PM
I wasn't saying that Serena would win all the summer hardcourts titles, but I thought if Venus playe better, she would. That didn't happen, but she still has the Olympics and the US Open and she has a chance of winning if she is healthy.
Second Serve. Forehand.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:10 PM
Second Serve. Forehand.
Young. Dumb.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:10 PM
And MJF is the second best commentator out there after Pam. This is very scary, I must admit:o , but still, at least she knows something of what she is talking about, unlike all the guy commentators:tape: .

Meesh
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:10 PM
That's why I think Mary Carillo and Ted Robinson should be in the booth.

Both Mary and Ted ARE NOT:
* coaches of Davis Cup or Fred Cup
* mentors to any of the players on the tour
* spouses of an agent representing a player

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:10 PM
Second Serve. Forehand.
That second serve and forehand took a set and a 5-0 lead against Lindsay.



LOSER!!

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:11 PM
Young. Dumb.
15. Straight As at top NE Prep school.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:12 PM
That second serve and forehand took a set and a 5-0 lead against Lindsay.



LOSER!!
The second serve and the forehand also lost the match and the set LOSER!!

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:12 PM
yep, It looked like Venus was Primed to take her down. She will.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:12 PM
That's why I think Mary Carillo and Ted Robinson should be in the booth.

Both Mary and Ted ARE NOT:
* coaches of Davis Cup or Fred Cup
* mentors to any of the players on the tour
* spouses of an agent representing a player
Mary Carillo, I forgot about her, but Ted is horrible. He should stick to his baseball or whatever it is he normally does.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:12 PM
That second serve and forehand took a set and a 5-0 lead against Lindsay.



LOSER!!

Lindsay was making way to many errors early on in that match, then she picked up her game and Venus got injured, so we don't really know who would have won, but i'm sure it would have been a battle just like at stanford

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:13 PM
The second serve and the forehand also lost the match and the set LOSER!!
Probalby true in the first match, but she was injured in the second match, or are you so retarded that you coudn't see that?:rolleyes:

Sanneriet
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:16 PM
I love Mary Carillo, she dishes out praise and insults pretty equally.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:16 PM
I saw it. Oh and the serve/forehand combo didn't get her to 5-0. The first serve/backhand thing did though:wavey: . BTW, it is very cruel to use the term "retarded" in a derogatory sense. Obviously you believe that the mentally challenged can help their situation, and therefore should be mocked. Perhaps you should change your evil viewpoint.

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:19 PM
you all are just crazy.

Lindsay said herself if Venus is not making errors she's next to impossible to beat.
Lindsay almost volunteers the fact that Venus is a better player.

Venus and Serena are injured, and lacking in confidence (moreso Serena than Venus I think) Venus was winning 5-0 because she was outplaying Lindsay, plus Lindsay wasn't playing that well....but that's always the case between the two.

Lindsay won in Stanford because Venus made 73 unforced errors. I think she had 25 winners in that whole match.

And mboyle, Venus's second serve and forehand are better than yours will ever be, and in the end, thats all that matters :kiss:

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:19 PM
Lindsay was making way to many errors early on in that match, then she picked up her game and Venus got injured, so we don't really know who would have won, but i'm sure it would have been a battle just like at stanford
I'm sorry but it was very evident that something was wrong with Venus at 5-1...and Lindsey said so as well in her interview. You don't have to defend lindsey no one in this thread is trying to discount her wins just saying they weren't an easy time like her 'friend' kept saying in her commentary.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:20 PM
I saw it. Oh and the serve/forehand combo didn't get her to 5-0. The first serve/backhand thing did though:wavey: . BTW, it is very cruel to use the term "retarded" in a derogatory sense. Obviously you believe that the mentally challenged can help their situation, and therefore should be mocked. Perhaps you should change your evil viewpoint.
Retard=to slow something down

I was using it as an adjective to show you that you must be slow if you think Venus wasn't playing well in that match to go up 5-0.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=Rocketta]I'm sorry but it was very evident that something was wrong with Venus at 5-1...and Lindsey said so as well in her interview. You don't have to defend lindsey no one in this thread is trying to discount her wins just saying they weren't an easy time like her 'friend' kept saying in her commentary.[/QUOT

its LindsAy ;) and i'm really srry, because i'm not trying to argue with anyone

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:22 PM
actually they did. Venus was hitting her second serves at 100MPH occasionally. She didn't start DF untill her pronation was affected by the wrist.

Also, if you watched the match, you'll know that her forehand was better than the backhand the whole match (untill she couldn't hit it anymore ofcourse)

That was also the case at the Australian open untill she got injured actually. Matthew Cronin remarked about that

pokey camp
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:23 PM
Wow. This has been a pleasant read. Nothing is as soothing as reading the word loser in bold faced 30pt font over and over. :rolleyes:

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:29 PM
Chill out, what they really should have said was 'Venus has been the only player to challenge Lindsay this summer'.

And yes she's probably biased, we have biased commentators, who don't.

Oneofakind0490
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:30 PM
Hey Mary Joe is having a baby soon so she wont communtate for awhile.

htm
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:32 PM
i don't think venus was injured at stanford, and really u guys r just jealous that Venus and Serena arent winning these summer hardcourt titles, because all i remember u guys talking about is that the williams would be back by the time the summer hardcourts were here and they would be winning all these titles, Lindsay has a great chance of winning the u.s open, she isn't gonna get nervous if she's the fav, and even if other players raise their game, there might not be much they can do if Lindsay is still playing this great

Not me I'm happy lindsay is winning I've always been a huge fan of Linday so congratulations Lindsay. :D

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:32 PM
Hey Mary Joe is having a baby soon so she wont communtate for awhile.
Tim Ryan just announced that this is her last tournament for a while (I hope until next year).

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:42 PM
I just hope Patrick McEnroe doesn't start doing them

Anne K.
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:43 PM
:wavey: I don't think personal friends of the players should commentate their

matches either. But I don't remember anyone ever getting upset when
Mary Joe covered any Monica Seles matches, and she's even more biased
toward Monica than toward Lindsay. MJ's husband is also Monica's agent
and MJ is a very close friend of Seles as well. It seems that most of those
who commentate are former players and will have biases for and against
most players. Too bad they can't leave their personal feelings at home.

:angel:

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:45 PM
I just hope Patrick McEnroe doesn't start doing them
I thougth I heard somehting about Tracy Austin doing the commentating from Montreal since:

Pam is on maternity leave (should be back by the US Open since she has a contract with CBS)
and
Mary Carillo is on her way to Athens to do commntating for NBC

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:47 PM
I just hope Patrick McEnroe doesn't start doing them
In fact, I know he isn't because he said yesterday when commentating on Andy's match that he was headed back to NY and won't even be at Cincinnati (where the men's tour stops next.

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:49 PM
Tracy Austin isn't too bad. She just repeats the same thing over and over again

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Tracy Austin isn't too bad. She just repeats the same thing over and over again
Also, if you are a Sharapova fan, she will be prasing her left and right since her former coach is now Maria's coach.

She'll have a lot of constructive criticism of Seren, if she plays.

CJ07
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:54 PM
She does that with everyone. But she'll criticize her too.

It's funny because when Venus was 10, she talked about how perfect her technique was and how she was amazed by her serve.

Now she talks just the opposite...however she doesn't say it in a nasty way

Leo_DFP
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:29 PM
I never heard Fernandez say that she easily beat Venus last week or that she hasn't been challenged this hardcourt season yet - to the contrary, actually: she talked today about how Davenport has stayed so positive recently, even when down and seemingly out in a set or match.

I think for being a personal friend of Lindsay's (and wife of her agent), Mary Joe is very objective. She certainly doesn't let her bias shine through like PMac does when commentating for Roddick and his American chickens.

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:38 PM
I never heard Fernandez say that she easily beat Venus last week or that she hasn't been challenged this hardcourt season yet - to the contrary, actually: she talked today about how Davenport has stayed so positive recently, even when down and seemingly out in a set or match.

I think for being a personal friend of Lindsay's (and wife of her agent), Mary Joe is very objective. She certainly doesn't let her bias shine through like PMac does when commentating for Roddick and his American chickens.

People listen to what they want to listen to, especially nitwit posters like lizchris. Oh and by the way, if people who actually watched the Stanford final remember, it was Lindsay who had slightly injured her left wrist and not Venus.

So it was Venus who lost to a injured Lindsay and not the other way around.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:41 PM
I never heard Fernandez say that she easily beat Venus last week or that she hasn't been challenged this hardcourt season yet She definitely said LD hasn't been challenged yet. - to the contrary, actually: she talked today about how Davenport has stayed so positive recently, even when down and seemingly out in a set or match. She said this also and used LD's being down 0-5 to Venus at the JP Morgan semis without mentioning Venus' wrist injury.

I think for being a personal friend of Lindsay's (and wife of her agent), Mary Joe is very objective. She certainly doesn't let her bias shine through like PMac does when commentating for Roddick and his American chickens. She is not as bad as PMac is for Roddick, but her biases do shine through and did during this match.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:42 PM
I never heard Fernandez say that she easily beat Venus last week or that she hasn't been challenged this hardcourt season yet - to the contrary, actually: she talked today about how Davenport has stayed so positive recently, even when down and seemingly out in a set or match.

I think for being a personal friend of Lindsay's (and wife of her agent), Mary Joe is very objective. She certainly doesn't let her bias shine through like PMac does when commentating for Roddick and his American chickens.


She did say that and I wasn't the only person who heard it, if you look at the other posts in this thread.

Butchwax
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:49 PM
All of you people that talk about Venus's writs beggining to bother her in the previous match, or her being injured while playing Lindsay use to say that the Williams sisters were so good they didn't have to be 100% to win a match. They had raised the bar so high nobody could touch them.
Remember?
Now it seems you are saying they have to be on fire in order to win. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 09:52 PM
All of you people that talk about Venus's writs beggining to bother her in the previous match, or her being injured while playing Lindsay use to say that the Williams sisters were so good they didn't have to be 100% to win a match. They had raised the bar so high nobody could touch them.
Remember?
Now it seems you are saying they have to be on fire in order to win. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
No one meant 100% healthy. They don't have to be 100% on top of their games to win, but then again you're an idiot so you probably won't understand either way.

Butchwax
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:03 PM
Your just angry because Venus and Serena are losing so much or are injured. I understand your frustration but that doesn't mean you have to take credit away from the better player on the day. The other women are getting better and better every day and the Williams sisters just seem to have their heart in the game anymore.

lizchris
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:07 PM
Your just angry because Venus and Serena are losing so much or are injured. I understand your frustration but that doesn't mean you have to take credit away from the better player on the day. The other women are getting better and better every day and the Williams sisters just seem to have their heart in the game anymore.
There is nothing to be angry about when both have won Tier I titles this year after being injured, are stil lin the top 20 even though they have not played as many tournaments.

Few people on this board give either one credit when they win, especially this year, so don't bring that up.