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vogus
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:43 AM
You heard it here first. Davenport might sweep the SoCal circuit, she might win Newhaven in three weeks, but in New York when the money is on the line, she is going to be beaten. The other leading players are going to lift their level, and at Flushing Meadow one of them will expose the true state of Davenport's game - good enough to win Tier II's, but not good enough anymore to win a GS title.

bis2806
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:43 AM
shut the fuck up vogus!!!

WSfan
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:45 AM
Man if u only spelled that acct name as bogus... I wouldn't have believe u!! :lol: :lol:

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:48 AM
Who? A limping JHH? A Serena who can't put a ball in court? A Dementieva who can't serve? A Sharapova too nervous to play on hardcourts? A Myskina who can't beat players that don't beat themselves? A Venus with a bum ankle? Suzzanne Lenglen ressurrected from the freakin dead? Who exactly do you expect to raise her level?

Mr_Molik
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:49 AM
unfortunately i think ur right :sad:
i hope not though

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:50 AM
This isn't exactly a bold or profound prediction vogus. :scratch: Really not worth making a thread about.

Venus Forever
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:50 AM
Who? A limping JHH? A Serena who can't put a ball in court? A Dementieva who can't serve? A Sharapova too nervous to play on hardcourts? A Myskina who can't beat players that don't beat themselves? A Venus with a bum ankle? Suzzanne Lenglen ressurrected from the freakin dead? Who exactly do you expect to raise her level?
Venus has a bum ankle??

Since when, that injury is loooong gone.

vogus
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:50 AM
actually if Davenport can figure out a way to play Mauresmo in quarters, the semis AND the final of the USO, she can win the title. But otherwise no way.

selking
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:50 AM
shut the fuck up vogus!!!

Im giving you rep as soon as i am able to again... :worship:

vogus
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:57 AM
Kniz, Davenport's on the verge of going undefeated in the summer hardcourt season - don't you think that IN THEORY that makes her the leading candidate to win the USO? I made this thread bcuz i don't think in reality that Davey is one of the players who is likely to win it.

bis2806
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:59 AM
In reality i think it is! so just shut up

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:03 AM
Kniz, Davenport's on the verge of going undefeated in the summer hardcourt season - don't you think that IN THEORY that makes her the leading candidate to win the USO? I made this thread bcuz i don't think in reality that Davey is one of the players who is likely to win it.
Oh, of course in theory she is the favorite. She does have one more tournament to play before the US Open. I agree with you that in reality I don't think she is likely to win it.

WSfan
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:10 AM
We don't know if she will win it yet... It all depends on tomorrow's game... if she defeats Myskina... then i would say she would have a great chance of winning the USOpen

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:28 AM
You heard it here first. Davenport might sweep the SoCal circuit, she might win Newhaven in three weeks, but in New York when the money is on the line, she is going to be beaten. The other leading players are going to lift their level, and at Flushing Meadow one of them will expose the true state of Davenport's game - good enough to win Tier II's, but not good enough anymore to win a GS title.
Tell ya what swamie.......I dare you and I mean dare you to bet your house or whatever valuable you have that she won't..........

Put up or shut up cause talk is cheap.......

Junex
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:36 AM
We don't know if she will win it yet... It all depends on tomorrow's game... if she defeats Myskina... then i would say she would have a great chance of winning the USOpen

Why is that?

Isn't Lindsay already established herself as the force to beat at the USO when she fdefeated Venus @ Stanford and Serena in LA to win those titles?
I am sure before the start of the US summer HO season no one would have counted Linzi as a contender but she just proves us she is, more than that the player to beat.

she beat Sprem,Petrova,Dementieva, and the WS sisters on that surface.
You may argue that this beatings were due to injury specially with the case of WS but cmon, she is playing like she is just peaking.

If Linzi cud go on with this she sure will win the USO, the only thing that would prevent that is if she will burn-out of exhaustion.

I think even if she lost to myskina now, she is still up there a favorite to win the Open.

Stamp Paid
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:38 AM
I hope and pray that Venus and Serena can lift their games up by US Open time.

LindsayRocks89
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:38 AM
at stanford venus wasn't injured, she just beat venus, same aganist serena at l.a, and yes elena injured herself today, but she sure started playing better at the end of the match when davy jammed the knee, so really davenport is beating all the really good hardcourt players that have a chance at the u.s open

Masharapova
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:39 AM
i rekon she will

Junex
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:39 AM
Oh, of course in theory she is the favorite. She does have one more tournament to play before the US Open. I agree with you that in reality I don't think she is likely to win it.


I just want to know why you agree with vogus that in reality Linzi would not win the USO?

I know that vogus is just talking crap in saying it but from you, i am just a little confuse.

Can you see the future?

faboozadoo15
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:51 AM
pshhh... the return of monica, DUH.
anyway, lindsay seems to be making herself the odds on favorite to win the us open. i'd say it's getting close to 50% davenport vs 50% "the field" and we haven't had that in a while, have we? let's see how she does against myskina. her not playing the olympics is a great thing too, really gives her the edge there too.

Nastyafan
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:56 AM
she can't, but lindsay+umpires+linesmen+organizers could:fiery:

casanovalover
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:01 AM
i think this is a pretty stupid thread. who knows what the state of the game will be come the US Open. i don't think you can really make meaningful statements either way. i don't see any reason why she can't win however

Stefwhit
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:22 AM
This isn't exactly a bold or profound prediction vogus. :scratch: Really not worth making a thread about.
I couldn't disagree with you more!! Just look at the responses in this thread and the overall talk on the boards.... LINDSAY has positioned herself as the CLEAR favorite going into the US Open ("who can beat Lindsay?", "She's as good as ever", "she's as confident as ever"...). So to make a prediction disputing that she wont sustain her current level of play, or that the players that she beat will elevate their games by the time the US Opens rolls around is totally worth making a thread about and discussing.

While Lindsay ranks top three on my list of favorites, I also share the opinion that she wont win the US Open. There is no way Lindz will be able to quitely make her way through the draw- at the start of play Lindz will be carrying around the biggest target on her back. None of the top players will dare underestimate her now and on top of that Lindz now finds herself in a role she hasn't been in quite some time, "the favorite". Let's not forget, more often than not, "the favorite" hasn't been the actual champion at the slams this year (Justine at Oz the only exception). The last big match that Lindz played where she was "the favorite" was to Maria at Wimby and that didn't turn out to well. Then there's all the talk of Lindz becoming number one again- just another possible distraction. I'm not implying Lindz can't cope with all the fuss and the pressures of being the favorite- of course she can, but these things do have an effect on the psyche and it's not always a positive effect.

It's definitely the twilight stages of her career and it would be nice to see her go out with a slam- but if that doesn't happen (and i don't think it will,) she can at least have the satisfaction of getting the number one ranking back (assuming she does).

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:34 AM
sheīs en fuego no doubt, but I think as always Lindsay will find a way to flame out when it matters. Think Lindsay is confident enough to beat Venus at the Open like she did at Stanford or keep on playing after 0-5 down like she did at L.A.?!

And the more she plays, the more her body starts to act up too.

Zhao
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:41 AM
hmm she's the favourite no doubt...
she's going to emulate Andy Roddick 2003
she hasn't played Jenn Cap yet...
maybe the latter has a chance to stop her... as well as the William Sisters...

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:42 AM
OMG!!! Why bet against someone who is called the favorite??????

Of course she can lose, but right now, she is the last player I know who wont win the US Open.

Why dont the starter of this thread just root for someone she believes will win, rather than downing Lindsay? jealousy I guess.Lindsay cant please all of us.

Stefwhit
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:59 AM
OMG!!! Why bet against someone who is called the favorite??????

Of course she can lose, but right now, she is the last player I know who wont win the US Open.

Why dont the starter of this thread just root for someone she believes will win, rather than downing Lindsay? jealousy I guess.Lindsay cant please all of us.
I can't speak for the thread starter, but I do share the same opinion. While I acknowledge that Lindz is the clear favorite, I also state reasons why that could actually work against her as well. When you say, "Why bet against someone who is called the favorite??????" you actually make a lot of sense. I guess the point is we can put the label of "favorite" on anyone but it doesn't improve their chances of winning- now of days it's more like a curse.

And don't think just because I don't think she's going to win means I'm not a fan and suporter of hers- no jealousy going on over here....

Stefwhit
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:03 AM
I can't speak for the thread starter, but I do share the same opinion....
Just to be clear, i don't agree with that garbage about Lindz not good enough to win anything but Tier IIs, or talk about her "true form"... I just agree about thinking she won't win the US Open.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:35 AM
I just want to know why you agree with vogus that in reality Linzi would not win the USO?

I know that vogus is just talking crap in saying it but from you, i am just a little confuse.

Can you see the future?
I don't think she will be able to stay mentally tough through seven matches at the Open to win it. Also as vogus believes, I think others will lift their games at the US Open.

jacs
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:40 AM
You heard it here first. Davenport might sweep the SoCal circuit, she might win Newhaven in three weeks, but in New York when the money is on the line, she is going to be beaten. The other leading players are going to lift their level, and at Flushing Meadow one of them will expose the true state of Davenport's game - good enough to win Tier II's, but not good enough anymore to win a GS title.


Well, everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinion.

But obviously, I hope that you are entirely wrong.

sadsmiley
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:54 AM
Well, everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinion.

But obviously, I hope that you are entirely wrong.

:bounce: Here Here!!

Lindsay has got the self-belief and talent to go all the way this year. I for one have complete faith. :D

Kelly
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:16 AM
well one thing lindsay has in her favour is that all the other contenders are paying the olympics. yes they are being held on a hard court in greece but its a different type of surface to us open and the conditions there will drastically alter the conditions....what im saying is the others will have to adjust to the open conditions very quickly whilst lindsay will be rested and have more time to practice on that surface....not that she needs it!

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:22 AM
These people who are saying lindsay won't win the US Open(there seems to be alot of them around right now), can you please give us an idea of who will win it rather than just saying davenport won't win.

Its not as if there are any players who are playing very well, she is the favourite, up for it, and its been along time since she's looked up for anything imo.

Doc
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:47 AM
It's a fairly safe prediction when no one is dominating the tour, to point to one particular player and say: X won't win the next slam. The odds are with any such forecast. Lindsay has dominated the past few weeks, and it seems that her focus for the year is building up to the US Open.

But in a slam all the bets are off. The pressures are totally different to the rest of the tour, as people like Kim and Mauresmo have found. I agree that at the moment it does look like the chances for Lind look like 40-50% compared to the rest of the field. But that's no shoo-in.

spike83
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:50 PM
Henin-Hardenne will be back then, plus the Sharapova fury, and a lot of others,

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 01:37 PM
One word: Maria Sharapova. You donīt think greatest ever is gonna win only ONE slam this year, do ya?! And when Maria puts her mind on it, only thing Lindsay can do is stand and watch out and then slump those shoulders.

LUXXXAS
Aug 1st, 2004, 02:22 PM
Oh man Maria show us "greatest ever tennis" at Acura so we all know that she is "biggest favourite" to win US Open and "Queen" of hardcourts....:rolleyes:

thelittlestelf
Aug 1st, 2004, 02:27 PM
One word: Maria Sharapova. You donīt think greatest ever is gonna win only ONE slam this year, do ya?! And when Maria puts her mind on it, only thing Lindsay can do is stand and watch out and then slump those shoulders.

Yes, I think the 8th best player in the world will win only one slam this year.

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 02:30 PM
Oh man Maria show us "greatest ever tennis" at Acura so we all know that she is "biggest favourite" to win US Open and "Queen" of hardcourts....:rolleyes:


Yeah, yeah...but itīs just that Myskina profites from other peopleīs mistakes..Maria was rusty. ;)

bigshow21
Aug 1st, 2004, 03:36 PM
Lindsay Davenport WON"T win the 2004 US Open

You're absolutely right!!!!!!!!!

Cuz Jennifer Capriati is going to kick ass!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

SJW
Aug 1st, 2004, 03:51 PM
i don't think she will either

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:13 PM
she can't, but lindsay+umpires+linesmen+organizers could:fiery:Oh yeah, it is such a giant conspiracy:rolleyes: . I recall alot of Dementieva's balls being controversially called good yesterday as well.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:15 PM
as I have been asking, who is supposed to "step it up?" Serena isn't ready to win a major right now, Venus will probably never win a major again, Myskina doesn't have the power to take a major when other players are playing well, Dementieva can't serve her way out of a box, JHH won't be in top form, etc. I can't see who you believe will step things up.

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:16 PM
Just as soon as a tour player gets in her head and start blasting back those balls and rallying against her.

Lindsay will slump those shoulder and go out as she has always done. With a wimper.

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:17 PM
MARIA SHARAPOVA, mboyle.......greatest ever!! Hello.

justine&coria
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:22 PM
One word: Maria Sharapova. You donīt think greatest ever is gonna win only ONE slam this year, do ya?! And when Maria puts her mind on it, only thing Lindsay can do is stand and watch out and then slump those shoulders.
You're ironic, aren't you ? :)

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:25 PM
You're ironic, aren't you ? :)


Think so?! ;)

SJW
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:42 PM
MARIA SHARAPOVA, mboyle.......greatest ever!! Hello.
i was about to say...Princess Masha will clean up the hardcourt season. this week was a little blip.

mboyle
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:50 PM
No, Maria proved this week that she needs about a year before she can really start to contend for, and win every major.

Nastyafan
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:03 PM
Oh yeah, it is such a giant conspiracy:rolleyes: . I recall alot of Dementieva's balls being controversially called good yesterday as well.
Noo, that's a child's game especially in America. I have seen much more sinister conspiracy from them

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:16 PM
i was about to say...Princess Masha will clean up the hardcourt season. this week was a little blip.


You said it....Montreal, U.S.open....cat in the bag.

maccardel
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:22 PM
Who? A limping JHH? A Serena who can't put a ball in court? A Dementieva who can't serve? A Sharapova too nervous to play on hardcourts? A Myskina who can't beat players that don't beat themselves? A Venus with a bum ankle? Suzzanne Lenglen ressurrected from the freakin dead? Who exactly do you expect to raise her level?

Alexandra Stevenson.

You hear it here first, USopen final 2004- Alexandra Stevenso, who defeated Lindsay Davenport in the semifinals, will face off against Jelena Dokic for the championship.

*Karen*
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:26 PM
I think it'll be between Myskina and Davenport. I aint sure about Sharapova. She did well at Wimbledon and Roland Garros but alot of that was down to the draw. Maybe Mauresmo but I doubt she will control her nerves. I think her and Clijsters will be the best players never to win a slam.

CJK
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:32 PM
I'll make sure to bump this thread up when Lindsay wins just to shame those nonbelievers:)

pcrtennis
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:36 PM
I agree with the title of this thread!

pokey camp
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:54 PM
So basically you're taking the field? Brillant. :rolleyes:

It's a fairly safe prediction when no one is dominating the tour, to point to one particular player and say: X won't win the next slam. The odds are with any such forecast. Lindsay has dominated the past few weeks, and it seems that her focus for the year is building up to the US Open.

But in a slam all the bets are off. The pressures are totally different to the rest of the tour, as people like Kim and Mauresmo have found. I agree that at the moment it does look like the chances for Lind look like 40-50% compared to the rest of the field. But that's no shoo-in.
Exactly Doc. Predicting a player will lose somewhere along the way over the course of 2 weeks worth of matches is a fairly low risk proposition. Predicting which player will win is much much harder.

rue
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:18 PM
I believe that she is going to win this one. No one is playing tennis like she is right now.

Knizzle
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:23 PM
as I have been asking, who is supposed to "step it up?" Serena isn't ready to win a major right now, Venus will probably never win a major again, Myskina doesn't have the power to take a major when other players are playing well, Dementieva can't serve her way out of a box, JHH won't be in top form, etc. I can't see who you believe will step things up.
Serena is not ready and Venus will never win again, but Lindsay is all of a sudden supposed to win after all this time?? The sisters are walking timebombs right now just like they were back in 99. It won't be long before they explode again.

vogus
Aug 1st, 2004, 06:59 PM
The Williams girls aren't looking in great form right now but anybody who writes them off as non-contenders for the USO title, a tournament which they owned for half a decade, would be making a big mistake.

foreva lindsay
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:01 PM
shut the fuck up vogus!!!

i second that :worship:

what a stupid comment :mad: :rolleyes: :fiery:

Ballbuster
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:04 PM
I'll make sure to bump this thread up when Lindsay wins just to shame those nonbelievers:)

I'll be sure to bump this up just to confirm the thread starter.

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:33 PM
The Williams girls aren't looking in great form right now but anybody who writes them off as non-contenders for the USO title, a tournament which they owned for half a decade, would be making a big mistake.

You know, if you don't believe Lindsay will win the US Open, that's fine. But it's funny that you can write off Lindsay as a contender to win the US Open, but it's a big mistake for another person to write off someone else. I don't agree that Venus won't ever win a slam again, or that Serena will definitely not be ready at the USO, but if someone else feels they won't win in New York, how can you say they're wrong after you went ahead and wrote off the best hardcourt performer this summer?

I agree with Doc, saying one person won't win (even if she is the favorite), doesn't mean much in a 128 player field with almost all the best players in the world. Odds are good you will be right. I mean, it's not like it's easy to win 7 straight matches under that much pressure. Personally, I won't be counting anyone out, least of all Lindsay. She has things working against her, yes: she won't be flying under the radar, her body may not hold up, etc. But she also has things working for her: Not playing the Olympics means more time to rest and practice on the surface, and she's playing very well at the moment.

Stefwhit
Sep 11th, 2004, 10:17 AM
I'll make sure to bump this thread up when Lindsay wins just to shame those nonbelievers:)
I feel a "bump" coming on...

vogus
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I took a few bad reps from the Davenport tards for this one. :lol:

tennisrox
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:24 AM
OMG :eek:

This vogus guy is amazing!More predictions please :worship: