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Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Countless people have made this observation. Her results since Wimbledon uphold this view.

vogus
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:55 PM
yeah, of course she was lucky to win it, but she did win it, and that's all that matters. What's your point?

lizchris
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:55 PM
To br fair, it is just one tournament, but she was lucky in the sense that Venus was injured and couldn't play because I believe a healthy Venus would have beaten her (they would have met in the round of 16). She apparently has been gifted with a easy draw in the Canadian Open, so she could do well there but it remains to be seen, but if she plays in Canada and New Haven the way she played last night, she won't be a favorite to win the US Open.

Keith
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:56 PM
She lost to the French Open champion in her only loss since then. By the way, Maria defeated the hottest player right now at WImbledon (Davenport, a former Wimby champ) and the winner of the last 2 wimbledons to become champion. That isn't luck, its hard work.

Maria is still just 17 and she played her best tournament ever at Wimbledon. I expect her to do well this summer and have solid results, but I also think she has a LOT to improve in her game and when she does, I think we can expect the kind of results she had at Wimbledon more frequently.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:58 PM
No, not lucky at all. If anything she could have won in an even more convincing manner. Maybe to have beat Serena by even more..etc. She more than deserved to win.

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:58 PM
Well here are some facts to substantiate this point.

Henin and Clijsters were absent.
We will never know the outcome had Sprem not been awarded an extra point during the tie-break against Venus.
Lindsay would surely had beaten her, had it not been for the rain delay.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:02 PM
Well here are some facts to substantiate this point.

Henin and Clijsters were absent.
We will never know the outcome had Sprem not been awarded an extra point during the tie-break against Venus.
Lindsay would surely had beaten her, had it not been for the rain delay.

You don't know that. There are rain delays in EVERY wimbledon, so from how you see it no-one who ever won wimbledon deserves to win. :confused:

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:04 PM
she has ONE result and she lost to myskina who played awesome tennis... wtf

*roddicksinme*
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:07 PM
get over it guys....Sharapova is good....and will more than likely only get better over the years, so you might as well try to start accepting it

Filip!
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:07 PM
She won it, that's what matters. But we will see new players winning slams as long as the topplayers are recovering... (W x2 + belgians)

SJW
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:08 PM
was it Pete Sampras that said you need a little luck to win Grand Slams? she deserved it...but she is not the second coming of christ, next dominator of the wta tour and she still has a way to go to be even considered one of the favourites for certain tournaments

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:09 PM
How I know? I was watching the match, did you? Any tennis fan with one iota of tennis knowledge certainly know how unlucky Lindsay was. She was pulverising Sharapova.
When the match was derailed by the rain delay, Lindsay had lost all her focus and the momentum of the match had swung Maria’s way. If you get a chance to watch this match again, observe how Lindsay played during the third set, she hardly ever tried at all.

beauty_is_pink
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:09 PM
she was lucky at Wimbly in the means of her confidence was realli high and that was the one GS she wanted... she had such motivation there to go far... she was lucky in the idea that she was playing amazing tennis

shap_half
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:11 PM
She beat Lindsay (who had given up the match late in the second) and Serena (clearly not the same person who defeated Amelie in the SF).

Martian Willow
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:12 PM
How I know? I was watching the match, did you? Any tennis fan with one iota of tennis knowledge certainly know how unlucky Lindsay was. She was pulverising Sharapova.
When the match was derailed by the rain delay, Lindsay had lost all her focus and the momentum of the match had swung Maria’s way. If you get a chance to watch this match again, observe how Lindsay played during the third set, she hardly ever tried at all.

...that's Lindsays' fault...not the weathers'... :)

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:14 PM
A straight sets loss to Myskina shows the inadequacies in her game.

If Myskina had some self belief, she may have been a winner of two majors.

Truthwillout
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:17 PM
No I don't. She beat enough top players and breezed convincingly enough through the final to avert any further discussion of this kind. Now, SWJ has certainly made a point: maybe it'll take some time for her to 'digest' her first grand slam title. Maybe she'll be great again at the US Open. Let's wait and see how she ends the season.

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:18 PM
The weather contributed to Lindsay’s downfall. To utter anything else is just plain folly!

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:20 PM
The weather contributed to Lindsay’s downfall. To utter anything else is just plain folly!

So Federer was SO lucky to win the men's wimbledon as well, right?
What about EVERY other year?

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:21 PM
The weather contributed to Lindsay’s downfall. To utter anything else is just plain folly!
If Maria would have been playing great in that match and Lindsay would have played great after the rain delay, would you say Lindsay didn't deserve to win because it was the weather that made Maria lose?

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:23 PM
Oh yes. Maria was "lucky" to face and beat Hantuchova, Frazier, Sugiyama, Davenport, and a perfectly fit Serena. :rolleyes: Maria won Wimbledon, full stop. You don't win slams by luck.

And back comes all the drivel about "oh Venus wasn't well," "that one point changed everything", "it rained and poor inexperienced Lindsay couldn't cope" "Serena was nervous" etc. etc.

And, oh yes, the "lucky" Wimbledon run was part of a 14 match unbroken winning stretch that ended yesterday.

So all this claptrap has been posted on the basis of one lost match by Maria!

Martian Willow
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:24 PM
The weather contributed to Lindsay’s downfall. To utter anything else is just plain folly!

...Lindsays' inability to deal with the weather as well as Maria did contributed to her downfall...rain breaks are part of Wimbledon and always have been... :)

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:25 PM
I have omitted Serena. And how she was out of condition and unprepared for Wimbledon due to her knee operation. A fully fit and focused Serena would make mince meat of Sharapova.

Now surely you will all agree how lucky Sharapova was!

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:27 PM
I have omitted Serena. And how she was out of condition and unprepared for Wimbledon due to her knee operation. A fully fit and focused Serena would make mince meat of Sharapova.

Now surely you will all agree how lucky Sharapova was!

Serena was lucky just to lose 6-1 6-4 if anything. If Serena played her best tennis EVER, the outcome would have been the same: Sharapova wimbledon champion 2004.

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:27 PM
Willow I entirely concur with you about rain delays. That’s what is being said, only for the rain delay Sharpova would not had won.

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:28 PM
I have omitted Serena. And how she was out of condition and unprepared for Wimbledon due to her knee operation. A fully fit and focused Serena would make mince meat of Sharapova.

Now surely you will all agree how lucky Sharapova was!
Poor Serena was so out of condition and unprepared due to her knee operation that she reached the finals...That is such a bad result! Truly shows how injured and unprepared she was...

Truthwillout
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:28 PM
I have omitted Serena. And how she was out of condition and unprepared for Wimbledon due to her knee operation. A fully fit and focused Serena would make mince meat of Sharapova.

Now surely you will all agree how lucky Sharapova was!

Being sarcastic? Or making a real statement? :confused: :confused:

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:32 PM
I have omitted Serena. And how she was out of condition and unprepared for Wimbledon due to her knee operation. A fully fit and focused Serena would make mince meat of Sharapova.

Now surely you will all agree how lucky Sharapova was!

:lol: Serena had been back on the tour for months! She had plenty of time to get into condition and get prepared for Wimbledon. She thumped Capriati and turned around Momo at her best.

The only person who was ill during the Wimbledon final was Maria - and she made mincemeat of Serena.

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:37 PM
I cannot believe that so many provoke comparison between Sharapova to Serena. There is no comparison. Serena is the superior player. They are in different leagues talent wise.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:37 PM
Willow I entirely concur with you about rain delays. That’s what is being said, only for the rain delay Sharpova would not had won.

all this psychic tennis... :rolleyes:

We don't really need to hold any matches at all then, do we? you can just tell the WTA all the results beforehand...

Back in the real world, the momentum of tennis matches turns around all the time. the turnaround would probably have come even without the rain break.

lolo7
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:43 PM
With the exceptons of Dementieva and Myskina the rest of these Russians are truly overrated. There play isn't anything special. Sharapova's game is similar to Venus but of course Venus is much superior when she isn't injured. The Russians are only gaining momemtum because Clijsters and Henin are out and the sisters injuries are the only things keeping them from regaining their full potential. Sharapova is only 17 and of course she will get better but stop talking about her as if she's doing something original.

Narc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:43 PM
Any right thinking person who truly and honestly believes that Maria Sharapova would had won Wimbledon with a fully fit Justine Henin-Har, Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams in the line-up knows very little about this sport.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:44 PM
:lol: Serena had been back on the tour for months! She had plenty of time to get into condition and get prepared for Wimbledon. She thumped Capriati and turned around Momo at her best.

The only person who was ill during the Wimbledon final was Maria - and she made mincemeat of Serena.
So are you suggesting that the same Serena that thumped Capriati and turned Momo around showed up against Sharapova in that final??

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:45 PM
With the exceptons of Dementieva and Myskina the rest of these Russians are truly overrated. There play isn't anything special. Sharapova's game is similar to Venus but of course Venus is much superior when she isn't injured. The Russians are only gaining momemtum because Clijsters and Henin are out and the sisters injuries are the only things keeping them from regaining their full potential. Sharapova is only 17 and of course she will get better but stop talking about her as if she's doing something original.
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Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:46 PM
So are you suggesting that the same Serena that thumped Capriati and turned Momo around showed up against Sharapova in that final??

Yes, she was just up against someone who was better in EVERY department on the day.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:49 PM
So are you suggesting that the same Serena that thumped Capriati and turned Momo around showed up against Sharapova in that final??

Who else turned up, her brother Burt in drag?

There is only one Serena, and a fully-fit Serena was not able to withstand Maria on Final day. Simple.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:50 PM
Yes, she was just up against someone who was better in EVERY department on the day.
Well you are obviously an irrational individual blinded by his fanaticism. Serena thumped Sharapova in straight sets in Maiami, while Sharapova was playing the same exact game she played at the Wimbledon final. If you didnt think that Serena wasn't tight, either youre an idiot or in denial. I would hope that you are just in denial and would like to think that Maria beat a top-form Serena, and not someone who actually believes such mania.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:52 PM
Who else turned up, her brother Burt in drag?

There is only one Serena, and a fully-fit Serena was not able to withstand Maria on Final day. Simple. I am not suggesting that Serena was not physically fit. Mentally, she was a mess out there.

Sharapova cannot match Serena shot for shot.

-Paul-
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:52 PM
Lucky no, she's a very good player - though Im not a fan of her. It could be viewed that she had an easier run that prior winners though. She won it, it's done... Move on.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:56 PM
Any right thinking person who truly and honestly believes that Maria Sharapova would had won Wimbledon with a fully fit Justine Henin-Har, Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams in the line-up knows very little about this sport.

From the evidence of this post your knowledge of the sport seems very wanting:

1. Serena was in the line-up, fully fit, and got smoked by Maria.

2. Neither Justine nor Kim has ever won Wimbledon when they were fit and in the line-up. They weren't at wimbledon or RG, neither was Steffi Graf or Martina Hingis. Maria Bueno wasn't there either.

thelittlestelf
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:56 PM
She was lucky to have not gotten injured... to me that's luck these days.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:02 PM
I am not suggesting that Serena was not physically fit. Mentally, she was a mess out there.

That's all part of the game of tennis. You could say the same thing of Maria against Nastya.

Sharapova cannot match Serena shot for shot.

Reality check: She did.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:07 PM
That's all part of the game of tennis. You could say the same thing of Maria against Nastya.



Reality check: She did.
No, Myskina's steady game frustrated Sharapova, and forced her into the error, like she did against Jennifer and Venus at the FO remember?

And Serena's strokes are not normally as short as they were at the Wimbledon final.

Im not even gonna argue with you, because you dont believe yourself! http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif You know that Serena should have won that match and crumbled under the pressure of threepeating. Why convince you when you're already cognizant of the truth.

lolo7
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:07 PM
I think that the general perception that people have of Serena Williams is that she is this really tough muscular woman but Serena is very sensitive and she is still young who had a very tough year in 2003 dealing with injuries and the loss of a love one. I'm not trying to make excuses for Serena but it was clearly obvious during the Wimbledon final that she was really tight out there and nervous, she seemed really overwhelmed by the occasion even more so than Shaparova. Maria came out there to play with nothing to lose. Serena came out there putting pressure on herself . With the endorsments from Nike, Vensus lossing early and trying to shut up the nay sayers and also wanting to use the occasion to dedicate to her murdered sister, Serena just put too much pressure on herself and went out there like a deer caught in head lights.

Crazy_Fool
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:08 PM
She got lucky in the semi, yep, everyone knows that. But to win slams you have to have some kind of luck and she deserved it overall.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:08 PM
I think that the general perception that people have of Serena Williams is that she is this really tough muscular woman but Serena is very sensitive and she is still young who had a very tough year in 2003 dealing with injuries and the loss of a love one. I'm not trying to make excuses for Serena but it was clearly obvious during the Wimbledon final that she was really tight out there and nervous, she seemed really overwhelmed by the occasion even more so than Shaparova. Maria came out there to play with nothing to lose. Serena came out there putting pressure on herself . With the endorsments from Nike, Vensus lossing early and trying to shut up the nay sayers and also wanting to use the occasion to dedicate to her murdered sister, Serena just put too much pressure on herself and went out there like a deer caught in head lights.
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tennisIlove09
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:10 PM
eh. enough. She won. get over it, and yourself. Thanks.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:12 PM
eh. enough. She won. get over it, and yourself. Thanks.
Oh please, cut out the "non-commital" garbage. http://wtaworld.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

tennisIlove09
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:14 PM
Oh please, cut out the "non-commital" garbage. http://wtaworld.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I like barely come into GM anymore, and when I do, it's all about Maria vs. the sisters. It's pathetic and sad. Wimbledon was a month ago. I swear, people take tennis way too seriously.

SJW
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:18 PM
Who else turned up, her brother Burt in drag?

There is only one Serena, and a fully-fit Serena was not able to withstand Maria on Final day. Simple.
a fully fit Serena is yet to play The Princess.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:28 PM
No, Myskina's steady game frustrated Sharapova, and forced her into the error, like she did against Jennifer and Venus at the FO remember?

Maria led 5-2 against Myskina's steady game. Then she had the mental wobble at set point.

And Serena's strokes are not normally as short as they were at the Wimbledon final.

Possibly because maria's deep hard strokes were keeping her on the back foot behind the baseline.

Im not even gonna argue with you, because you dont believe yourself! http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif You know that Serena should have won that match and crumbled under the pressure of threepeating. Why convince you when you're already cognizant of the truth.

Some Serena fans have deluded themselves that their fave didn't lose the Wimbledon final fair and square.

Fact is: she did lose it fair and square, and I haven't seen any reputable tennis commentator who denies that.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:52 PM
Maria led 5-2 against Myskina's steady game. Then she had the mental wobble at set point.



Possibly because maria's deep hard strokes were keeping her on the back foot behind the baseline.



Some Serena fans have deluded themselves that their fave didn't lose the Wimbledon final fair and square.

Fact is: she did lose it fair and square, and I haven't seen any reputable tennis commentator who denies that.
OK, I get it. Maria can have a mental wobble in the QF of a Tier 1 tournament that has no significance to her, but Serena is incapable of having one when shes going for a threepeat at the worlds most important tennis tournament, which is also the last time her entire family was together before her sister was killed, and also while trying to reestablish herself as a major winner in women's tennis, dealing with the pressure of being the only person left to keep the tournament in the family name, and also with a huge, new corporate sponsor wanting spectacular results. Yeah, with all that on her shoulders, a mental wobble in a Wimbledon final is unfathomable.http://wtaworld.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif Keep in mind Serena was also up a break 4-2 in the second set of that final, like your beloved Sharapova was up 5-3 against Myskina.

And of course, Serena lost, Maria won. What fool would dispute that? Maria won 6-1, 6-4. I have never argued that Maria somehow didn't win Wimbledon; but was she lucky? Hell Yes.

Black Mamba.
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:26 PM
I'm not a fan of Sharapova, but she tore through Serena and Lindsay like a buzzsaw, so I don't think she was lucky to win Wimbledon. We can't say she was lucky just because of her results in this tournement because in this tournement she got to see what it's like to have the target on her back and trust me it is harder to beat opponents when your the player to beat because they always bring their best game against you.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:42 PM
Countless people have made this observation. Her results since Wimbledon uphold this view.

LOL. SHE'S PLAYED ONE TOURNAMENT! ONE!

How can people still be skeptical about this girl??? What more does she have to do? SHE WON WIMBLEDON.

Martian KC
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:43 PM
*raises hand*;)

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:44 PM
I'm getting so annoyed by all this... All these "if's"... IF there wouldn't have been a rain delay, IF Henin and Clijsters would have been healthy, IF Serena would have been healthy, IF Serena wouldn't have had mental problems, IF Venus got that point in the tiebreak against Sprem, IF Myskina didn't lose so early in the tournament.....

This way, nobody ever deserves to win a tournament anymore. There's always a reason to come up with why somebody was "lucky" to have won. Every sport is about more aspects than skills alone and luck is one of them.

Sure, maybe if there would have been no rain delay Lindsay would have won. We'll never know. But why would Lindsay deserve to win more than Maria did if she can't even handle a rain delay which is very common at Wimbledon?

Sure, maybe Henin or Clijsters would have beaten Maria somewhere in the tournament. But Henin and Clijsters weren't participating, we'll never know if they would have been able to beat Maria.

Sure, maybe if Serena would have been 100% fit she would have beaten Maria. Question is: was she really not fit in that final? Maybe Maria would have beaten her anyways, maybe in 3 tough sets or so, we'll never know.

Sure, maybe Serena did have mental problems in the final. But that's HER problem. Mental strength is an important part of tennis. So if Serena really did have mental problems, than she just didn't deserve the victory.

Sure, maybe if Venus won that point in the tiebreak she would have beaten Sprem and later on Maria. But matches are not decided by just one single point. Venus was just not good enough to beat Sprem on that particular day. So she didn't deserve going to the next round and having a chance of playing against Maria.

Sure, maybe Myskina would have beaten Maria if she was not beaten herself. But she didn't win. And thus she didn't deserve going to the next round. If Myskina was really that good to beat Maria she should have won the match she lost as well.

Anyway, my point is, that we'll never know what happened "if that" or "if this" would have happened. There are always reasons to come up with why certain players should not have won certain tournaments or were just lucky to do so. Doing that however, is very unfair to the player who won the tournament...

Crazy_Fool
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:03 AM
Knerf, its nothing that hasn't been said about Justine when she won her slams. Especially the US Open. Relax, she won the slam and thats all that matters.

Frank
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:09 AM
Knerf, its nothing that hasn't been said about Justine when she won her slams. Especially the US Open. Relax, she won the slam and thats all that matters.
I'm very relaxed, only a little annoyed. As about everyone here is at least a little bit annoyed as it appears to me...
Anyway, maybe it'll go away after some time, as it did with Justine...

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:23 AM
I was going to come in here to comment on the ridiculousness of this thread, but Knerf said it all so nicely:

I'm getting so annoyed by all this... All these "if's"... IF there wouldn't have been a rain delay, IF Henin and Clijsters would have been healthy, IF Serena would have been healthy, IF Serena wouldn't have had mental problems, IF Venus got that point in the tiebreak against Sprem, IF Myskina didn't lose so early in the tournament.....

This way, nobody ever deserves to win a tournament anymore. There's always a reason to come up with why somebody was "lucky" to have won. Every sport is about more aspects than skills alone and luck is one of them.

Sure, maybe if there would have been no rain delay Lindsay would have won. We'll never know. But why would Lindsay deserve to win more than Maria did if she can't even handle a rain delay which is very common at Wimbledon?

Sure, maybe Henin or Clijsters would have beaten Maria somewhere in the tournament. But Henin and Clijsters weren't participating, we'll never know if they would have been able to beat Maria.

Sure, maybe if Serena would have been 100% fit she would have beaten Maria. Question is: was she really not fit in that final? Maybe Maria would have beaten her anyways, maybe in 3 tough sets or so, we'll never know.

Sure, maybe Serena did have mental problems in the final. But that's HER problem. Mental strength is an important part of tennis. So if Serena really did have mental problems, than she just didn't deserve the victory.

Sure, maybe if Venus won that point in the tiebreak she would have beaten Sprem and later on Maria. But matches are not decided by just one single point. Venus was just not good enough to beat Sprem on that particular day. So she didn't deserve going to the next round and having a chance of playing against Maria.

Sure, maybe Myskina would have beaten Maria if she was not beaten herself. But she didn't win. And thus she didn't deserve going to the next round. If Myskina was really that good to beat Maria she should have won the match she lost as well.

Anyway, my point is, that we'll never know what happened "if that" or "if this" would have happened. There are always reasons to come up with why certain players should not have won certain tournaments or were just lucky to do so. Doing that however, is very unfair to the player who won the tournament...

:worship: Crazy's right though, this same thing happened with Justine's USO win. It happens with most up-and-coming players who have a big breakthrough and look poised to challenge the top. I don't think Maria is the best player in the world or anything, and she has a lot to prove. But she's obviously one of the best players in the world, especially on grass... and she'll likely improve even more. I can't think how anyone who won a slam could not be considered deserving. Everyone needs a little luck to win, but you have to have the skills to take advantage. I think Maria's shown that she has enough game to stop these nonsense threads.

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:40 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how anytime a player wins a Grand Slam for a first time, she is critiqued to death the next time she plays a match.

Maria had no respect really before she won Wimbledon and now can't catch a break after.

Guess I should be used to the Narcs out there but it still amazes me.

Frank
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:42 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how anytime a player wins a Grand Slam for a first time, she is critiqued to death the next time she plays a match.

Maria had no respect really before she won Wimbledon and now can't catch a break after.

Guess I should be used to the Narcs out there but it still amazes me.
Getting used to it is the only medicine I guess....unfortunately.....

volta
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:44 AM
she wasn´t lucky she played better and Serena well didn´t played @ all. she pretty much did (Rena) what she did last final agains Lindsay.
some people migh call it luck but i don´t call it luck Maria played very well but she didn´t faced the Serena of 2001/2002.

SharapovaFan16
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:50 AM
someone said maria won wimbledon because both belgians were absent, sprem was given a point versus venus, and the rain delay vs davenport. well all i have to say is that is why they play the game. if all the favorites one, and everyone stayed healthy it wouldn't be any fun. there wouldn't be any story lines. everything you said was a big what if? maria wasn't given the title, but she took advantage of what was given to her. she played the game and won, and that my friends is why they play!

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Aug 1st, 2004, 05:57 AM
I don't believe tha she was lucky....

In fact she had a perfect grass season. And you can't call lucky at all the she defeated players like Williams and Davenport with that luck... Also Maria is a great player, and her game suits her her best at Grass.

Narc
Aug 2nd, 2004, 07:07 PM
Lindsay’s victory at the weekend validates the hypothesis of how lucky Maria Sharapova was to win a single (that’s all she will ever win) title.

The persons who believe this shall be proven accurate. When Sharapova fails to secure another major title. When I read the board I really do wonder how many of you understand tennis, it’s not rocket science you know!

When a fully fit Justine, Kim, Serena, et al, decide to try their best, poor Sharapova, she will feel like taking modelling up fulltime.

rjd1111
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:31 PM
Oh yes. Maria was "lucky" to face and beat Hantuchova, Frazier, Sugiyama, Davenport, and a perfectly fit Serena. :rolleyes: Maria won Wimbledon, full stop. You don't win slams by luck.

And back comes all the drivel about "oh Venus wasn't well," "that one point changed everything", "it rained and poor inexperienced Lindsay couldn't cope" "Serena was nervous" etc. etc.

And, oh yes, the "lucky" Wimbledon run was part of a 14 match unbroken winning stretch that ended yesterday.

So all this claptrap has been posted on the basis of one lost match by Maria!


She Also lost to a 16 year old Russian girl in world team tennis a week or
so ago

darrinbaker00
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:46 PM
Well here are some facts to substantiate this point.

Henin and Clijsters were absent.
I think we've found the person for the new intelligence job that President Bush wants to create..... :rolleyes:
We will never know the outcome had Sprem not been awarded an extra point during the tie-break against Venus.
For the one million and first time, Venus had two set points in the first set and was up 6-3 in the second-set tiebreak. Ted Watts didn't cost Venus that match, Venus did.
Lindsay would surely had beaten her, had it not been for the rain delay.
Like someone said earlier, rain delays are a regular part of Wimbledon, and Lindsay has been through her share of them. If she couldn't get going after that particular delay, that was her problem, not Maria's.

Having said that, let me also say this: no one, and I mean NO ONE, wins a major by luck. Maria had to beat the two-time defending Wimbledon champion in the final, and she did it quite handily. Time will tell if she ever wins another major, but she EARNED Wimbledon 2004, and anyone who believes otherwise hasn't a clue about tennis.

forever_rafter
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:48 PM
I think Roddick was luckier to win US Open last year, he should have lost to Nalbandian in the semifinal. You remember that "out" call from the audience ?

Sonja
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:53 PM
She Also lost to a 16 year old Russian girl in world team tennis a week or
so ago
That was Nicole Vaidisova and she's a Czech. Also, WTT is exhibition type tennis. Sharapova waxed Myskina there last year.

cheesestix
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:11 PM
Any right thinking person who truly and honestly believes that Maria Sharapova would had won Wimbledon with a fully fit Justine Henin-Har, Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams in the line-up knows very little about this sport.

This is such a great argument! :rolleyes:

First of all, Serena was fully fit. Up until Maria, she was taking care of business. And had she won it, many of you WS fans would be bragging about how she's "back to form" and "back on top", etc. In fact, there were many who were already bragging about Serena's win before she even played the final. She just got beat. That's the way it goes.

What is so funny though, is that you mention JHH and Clijsters! Suddenly their absence has some significance?You're ready to throw an asterisk (*) by Maria's win because of the absence of the 2 Belgians, but you know that had Serena won, you wouldn't be mentioning JHH and Clijsters at all, would you? :rolleyes:

cheesestix
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:17 PM
I think we've found the person for the new intelligence job that President Bush wants to create..... :rolleyes:

For the one million and first time, Venus had two set points in the first set and was up 6-3 in the second-set tiebreak. Ted Watts didn't cost Venus that match, Venus did.

Like someone said earlier, rain delays are a regular part of Wimbledon, and Lindsay has been through her share of them. If she couldn't get going after that particular delay, that was her problem, not Maria's.

Having said that, let me also say this: no one, and I mean NO ONE, wins a major by luck. Maria had to beat the two-time defending Wimbledon champion in the final, and she did it quite handily. Time will tell if she ever wins another major, but she EARNED Wimbledon 2004, and anyone who believes otherwise hasn't a clue about tennis.

Wow. I actually agree with you on something.

The argument about the absence of JHH and Clijsters is so laughable, isn't it? If Serena had won, this guy would not have even mentioned the absence of JHH and Clijsters as having any kind of significance. He certainly would not have questioned the validity of Serena's championship because of it. But now that Maria won, the absence of the 2 Belgians is suddenly very monumental? :rolleyes:

Maria beat the defending champ. She beat Serena. That's not enough?

darrinbaker00
Aug 2nd, 2004, 10:29 PM
Wow. I actually agree with you on something.
Don't make a habit of it, OK? We both have an image to maintain. ;)

hollywood7172
Aug 2nd, 2004, 11:41 PM
when was the last time someone won a major, or a tournament for that matter, with all of the top 15 players present, and healthy, and playing to "their best"???

oh wait, but that is only required for players that are NOT your faves. when your faves win, who gives a fuck who was absent or who choked?? only when players we dont like win, that's when we point out all the "what if's" that mean diddly squat. guess what? "what if" isn't real. it didn't happen.

dont you guys get sick of that excuse?

it's not maria sharapova's fault that justine and clijsters were injured, that lindsay let a rain delay bother her (supposedly), that serena was unfit and nervous and choked (supposedly), that venus was cheated out of one point, that mauresmo couldn't win that 3rd set, that dementieva lost in the first round, that (blank) had (blank) happen to her.

it is to maria's credit that she avoided all those things and played her game and won.



jesus christ, maria's not even my top 10 fave and i can still say this with conviction. is it that hard to comprehend?

Leo_DFP
Aug 3rd, 2004, 12:05 AM
Practically every champion gets a little lucky at times en route to a Slam title. You can't deny that the rain delay in the second set of her semifinal was very fortunate for Sharapova. Still, she very much deserved her Wimbledon title. She was the only one not to lose a match point against her, so she deserves it.

Sharapower
Aug 3rd, 2004, 07:07 AM
I was following the live scores of the semi against Lindsay Davenport and when Maria got broken in the second set I was telling myself that Maria would really need a rain delay... And it happened. ANyway, it was the same rain-delay for Maria AND Lindsay. Providing her experience, Lindsay should know how to cope with that but she didn't : her serve percentage fell down and Maria did her job perfectly.

So yes there was luck but not only luck. She had the mental ability to turn that piece of luck into success so she deserved to win. Just like Serena was lucky against Momo who got back-injured at the moment she had the edge. The two semi-finals were very similar.

For the final, I can admit that Serena was not in her best day, but not a very bad day though. For heaven sake, she was healthy, it was her 6th GS final while Maria was just playing the 4th WTA tour of her carreer. Serena didn't show smartness on this day. She saw Maria hitting hard and going for shots so she tried the same and then she made a few errors. She had some breakpoints when Maria served for the first set and she didn't find a way to take her chances. She broken Maria's serve in the second and instantly got broken back. Maybe Serena put pressure on herself but Maria's game added some, and not just a little bit. ANYBODY who plays a GS final puts pressure on himself.

Maria is definitely the best player of the world ON GRASS : in Wimbledon she managed to beat a huge delgation of good grass players. Now she needs to prove she can play on other surfaces and she needs to beat a few more top players.