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~Rachel~
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:43 PM
Hiya, although I've been following tennis for a fair while now, I still get a bit confused when it comes to rankings/seedings etc!! I've noticed that Kim and Justine have been steadily losing points recently, I was wondering if someone could tell me why this is? And how this system works, i.e. do they lose a certain number of points every week whilst they're injured?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my ignorance!! :)

Chunchun
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:49 PM
go to the "rankings" page in wtatour.com & click "How does this work"

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:09 PM
Have Fun understanding Rachel...I still don´t really get it.

Yasmine
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:16 PM
It would be good if someone who understands it really well took some time to explain really rather than sending us to the wta page :rolleyes: ... Because i went there I still don't get it! :confused:

mn73
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:19 PM
Players get ranking points for every tournament they play.
12 months later these ranking points are dropped from their total.
Seedings are based on the rankings: if there are 8 seeds they are given to the 8 highest ranked players in a draw (players who have been off the tour for over six months are given a special ranking which is usually their ranking when they first got injured).

bmxbandit
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:21 PM
Ok, here it is.
Each year, a player can play any tournament she wishes to (minimum is 4 to get a ranking though). Only 17 best tournaments count toward the ranking (the points from the other tournament are still there, just not counted).
Now, since Kim and Justine aren't playing those tournaments they played last year, those points are being subtracted, and the points of the other tournaments (the ones that didn't make into the 17 best) are being added.

Andrew.
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:23 PM
Minimum tournaments needed to appear on rankings is 3, not 4.

Yasmine
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:27 PM
Thank you guys, very helpful! ;)

LostGlory
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:06 PM
Hiya, although I've been following tennis for a fair while now, I still get a bit confused when it comes to rankings/seedings etc!! I've noticed that Kim and Justine have been steadily losing points recently, I was wondering if someone could tell me why this is? And how this system works, i.e. do they lose a certain number of points every week whilst they're injured?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my ignorance!! :)

Ok I'm gonna try and explain it very simply ..... there is the WTA ranking and the Porsche Champion Race....
WTA Ranking is the result of the best 17 Tournaments entered by a certain player over the period of 12 month.....
Porsche Champion Race is the results of a certain year ie 2004 that leads to the Chase champion ships by the end of the year....
Of course u can always score quality points by beating a player ranked much higher than you....

tennisrulz8
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:40 PM
Ok I'm gonna try and explain it very simply ..... there is the WTA ranking and the Porsche Champion Race....
WTA Ranking is the result of the best 17 Tournaments entered by a certain player over the period of 12 month.....
Porsche Champion Race is the results of a certain year ie 2004 that leads to the Chase champion ships by the end of the year....
Of course u can always score quality points by beating a player ranked much higher than you....

you don't have to beat someone higher than you to get quality points. Just as long as they are ranked higher than 500

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:56 PM
XV. WTA RANKINGS
A. 2004 WTA RANKINGS
The WTA Rankings is the worldwide computer ranking for
women’s professional tennis. It’s a ranking system that reflects
both a players’ performance in tournament play (Round Points) as
well as her record against other players (Quality Points). The
ranking system is a 52-week, cumulative system in which the
number of tournament results that comprise a player’s ranking is
capped at seventeen (17) Tournament results for Singles and
eleven (11) Tournament results for Doubles. The results used to
determine the players’ ranking are the tournaments that have
yielded the players’ highest Ranking (Round and Quality) Points
over the past fifty-two (52) weeks. The rankings determine player
acceptances and seeding for all Tournaments. The WTA
Rankings are computed and published weekly by the WTA Tour
from its U.S. Headquarters office in St Petersburg, Florida, USA
NOTE: ITF Women’s Circuit Tournaments with prize money of
$25,000 or less are processed a minimum of one (1) week
following the conclusion of the Tournament.

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:56 PM
NOTES
�� With the exception of the Grand Slams and the WTA Tour
Championships, all singles and doubles 1st round losers
in Tournaments with prize money of $25,000 and higher
receive one (1) Round point regardless of draw size.
Players receive two (2) Round points for a 1st round loss
at Grand Slams (in singles, doubles and qualifying
singles). In the WTA Tour Championships singles event,
players are awarded Round of 16 Round points for fourth
place in the round robin competition and in the WTA Tour
Championships doubles event players are awarded Semi
Finals Round points for a 1st round loss. See chart above
for details.
�� For the purposes of awarding Ranking Points, in all ITF
Tournaments with prize money of $25,000 or greater, the
round of 32 will be considered to be the FIRST round of
Qualifying and all rules will apply as if that were the first
round of play. In these ITF Tournaments, the WTA Tour
will only award Round Points in Qualifying starting in the
round of 32 and play in any round prior to the round of 32
will not be considered as having taken place for ranking
purposes.
�� All prize money totals in the chart above

SINGLES AND DOUBLES QUALITY POINTS
Loser’s Rank Points Grand Slam
Points
1 100 200
2* 75 150
3 66 132
4 55 110
5 50 100
6-10 43 86
11-16 35 70
17-25 23 46
26-35 15 30
36-50 10 20
51-75 8 16
76 –120 4 8
121–250 2 4
251–500 1 2
501-> 0 0
* Doubles Quality points are awarded according to the
losing team’s combined ranking, with two (2) being the
lowest possible combined ranking.

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:57 PM
B. GENERAL RULES
1. Rankings
Players are ranked on the basis of their total points (Round and
Quality).
2. Processing of Rankings
WTA Tour Tournaments (Tier I through V) plus ITF $75,000 and
$50,000 events (as long as completed by the Sunday of that
week) are processed on a weekly basis. ITF $5,000 through
$25,000 events are processed a minimum of one (1) week
following the completion of the Tournament. Points stay valid for
fifty-two (52) weeks from the week in which a Tournament is
included in the Ranking Totals.
3. Eligibility
Players must have at least three (3) valid Tournaments to appear
on the rankings. Players under the age of fourteen (14) cannot
obtain a computer ranking. If a player under the age of fourteen
(14) plays singles or doubles in a Tournament, that Tournament
and the points acquired during play will not be counted for ranking
purposes for that player. If a player plays singles or doubles in a
Tournament that exceeds the number permitted to be played
under the Age Eligibility Rule, that Tournament and the points
acquired during play will not be counted for ranking purposes for
that player.
4. Byes/Defaults/Withdrawals
a. If a player or team receives one (1) or more consecutive
byes and loses her/their first match played, 1st round
losers’ points will be awarded and the player or team shall
receive Prize Money for the round reached.
b. If a player or team receives one (1) or more consecutive
byes and withdraws from her/their first match, no ranking
points shall be awarded, the Tournament will not count on
her/their record and no Prize Money shall be paid out.
c. If a player or team receives a walkover in the 1st round
and there is no Alternate or Lucky Loser to take the spot,
or if a player or team receives a walkover in a subsequent
round without having yet played a match, the walkover
will be treated as a bye for ranking data purposes.
d. A player or team who receives a walkover in any round
except the 1st Round after having played and won a
match shall be awarded Round points, but not Quality
points for the walkover from their opponent. For any
disciplinary default occurring in a Tournament after the
match begins, the advancing player or team will be
awarded Round points and Quality points over her
opponent or team.
e. Players or teams who withdraw from a Tournament
before playing their 1st match will not have the
Tournament count on their record.
f. Players or teams who receive Wild Cards are awarded
the same Round points as any other player.
g. If the Singles or Doubles event of a Tournament is
cancelled due to poor weather and there has been no
play, first round Prize Money will be paid out to the
players. If play has commenced and been terminated
before the Tournament is concluded, players will be paid
loser’s Prize Money for the individual round reached.
Additionally, if the first round has been completed, all
players/teams will receive their Round and Quality Points
earned through the last completed round only and the
Tournament will count as a Tournament played. If a
Tournament is officially terminated and the finals have not
been completed, the finalists will each receive finalist’s
Prize Money and Ranking Points. The difference
between the winner and finalist Prize Money will revert
back to the Tournament.
h. In determining which Tournaments are considered to be
the Best of 17 for Singles and the Best of 11 for Doubles,
if two or more Tournaments should have the same Total
Ranking Points, the Tournament with the most Quality
Points will take precedence in order to give the player the
advantage in breaking a tie for a Ranking position should
two or more players have the same Ranking Points.
i. When two or more players have the same number of
Ranking Points, the tie for the ranking position will be
decided according to the following priorities:
a) The player with the greater number of Quality
points.
b) The player with the most Number of Tournament
in a 52- week period.
If both these items are the same, the Rank for any
remaining players will be considered to be the same or
tied for that Ranking Position. Last Name followed by
First Name will list the players who are tied in the Ranking
Alphabetically. If both the First and Last Names are the
same, the players will be listed according to whichever
one is encountered first during the ranking process.
j. If a player qualifies but is unable to play the Main Draw for
any reason, she will receive last round Qualifying prize
money and QLFR points

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:58 PM
a. Players are awarded Round points for the highest round
they reach as well as Quality points for each win over a
player ranked in the Top 500. Quality points are awarded
according to the losing players’ ranking current at the time
the Tournament is played. Quality points awarded for
Grand Slams are set forth in the Singles and Doubles
Quality Points chart on page 221.
b. In Tournaments where prize money is $25,000 or greater:
�� Qualifiers earn Main Draw Round points based
on the highest round reached in the Main Draw
plus the Round points specified in the Qualifier
(QLFR) column and the Quality points earned in
both the Main Draw and Qualifying.
�� Qualifiers who lose in the 1st round of the Main
Draw are awarded only the Round points
specified in the Qualifier (QLFR) column and the
Quality points earned in the Qualifying.
�� Lucky Losers earn only Main Draw Round and
Quality points based on the highest round
reached in the Main Draw (including Quality
Points earned in the Qualifying) unless they lose
in the 1st round of the Main Draw in which case
they receive only the Round and Quality points
earned in Qualifying.
c. In Tournaments where prize money is less than $25,000,
no Qualifying Round or Quality points are awarded to
Qualifiers or Lucky Losers. With regard to the Main Draw:
Qualifiers who lose in the 1st round of the Main Draw are
awarded only the points specified in the Qualifier (QLFR)
column. However, Qualifiers earn Main Draw Round
points based on the highest round reached in the Main
Draw plus the points specified in the Qualifier (QLFR)
column. Lucky Losers earn only Main Draw Round and
Quality points based on the highest round reached in the
Main Draw.
d. Entries and seeding are determined by highest rank. In
the event of a tie, the 1st tie-break procedure is a players’
greatest number of Quality points. The 2nd tie-break
procedure is the highest ranking from the previous week.
e. Weekly rankings are not published during the mid-week of
any two-week event, therefore the most current rankings
will be used to calculate quality points for those events.

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:59 PM
And that's pretty much how rankings work.
Of course there is the special rankings which wont go into yet.
But if you understand how the rankings work, I'm sure it will come along:).

~Rachel~
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:12 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied! I think I understand it now!

CJK: thnx for posting all the info :) I had read this before on the wta website but hadn't really understood it! But now everything is much clearer!

One thing though, a player's quality points don't actually count towards their ranking unless their round points are equal, is this right?

CJK
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:15 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied! I think I understand it now!

CJK: thnx for posting all the info :) I had read this before on the wta website but hadn't really understood it! But now everything is much clearer!

One thing though, a player's quality points don't actually count towards their ranking unless their round points are equal, is this right?
quality points will always count.
Points in a tournament has quality and round components. They'll be added together to be the points awarded in one tournament. And WTA picks 17 best rankings. A fair system I might add;).

Steff_forever
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:18 PM
Hiya, although I've been following tennis for a fair while now, I still get a bit confused when it comes to rankings/seedings etc!! I've noticed that Kim and Justine have been steadily losing points recently, I was wondering if someone could tell me why this is? And how this system works, i.e. do they lose a certain number of points every week whilst they're injured?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my ignorance!! :)
and here's a link that is updated on every Tuesday or Wednesday which gives you the Best 17 tournament-pts of every player who is in the ranking of Monday (two days earlier): Best17.zip


http://www.webpark.sk/vlmark/


on the same site you can see what every player loses on next Monday (at the beginning of the list and what she just earned last week (at the end of the list). The file is 'winners (.txt)'

Steff_forever
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:23 PM
And here's a thread-link of a crazy guy (we know him all ;) ) who wants to update it every day as projected ranking for next Mondays so you can see who just moved in the ranking (beware of the RED ONES - they're his favorites and not a relict of the Cold War).

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=124168

this is just awesome.

~Rachel~
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:19 PM
CJK, thanks again for all the info! :worship:
DaniDoki-addict: Thanks for the links, much appreciated :hug: