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iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:35 PM
Her game is hardly recognized as great or compelling. Nevertheless she beats everyone with such an unrecognizable play style. I know she's got great legs thus has great court coverage and she can think so well on the court looking for her opponents' weaknesses and can exploit them which is actually way harder done then said. She may not possess the powerful ground strokes that the likes of the Williams sisters, Davenport and Sharapov have but she's still capable of matching them by mixing up different shots of different paces.
What do you think of her game?

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:36 PM
Works hard, good tactics, hardly makes any mistakes.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:43 PM
She is the awkward squad. She is a retriever. She gets the ball back awkwardly when it "should" have been a winner. This frustrates opponents and makes a lot of them play their worst and start spewing errors. Myskina has amazing speed around the courts and mixes up her shots well.

I've never liked the style, even from its foremost exponent, Sanchez Vicario, and by and large most tennis audiences don't like it either. They'd rather see players who go for spectacular winners. As i've written in another thread, the responsive style never really seems to create dominant players or long-term No 1s, but it enables players to lurk around the top 10/20 for long periods.

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:52 PM
Sheīs very patient, she never tries to hit a winner, when she isnīt sure about it. Her foot-work is the best Iīve seen in a long time, you know if you only watch at her feet itīs very interesting, she does a lot of little steps, especially when going for a backhand winner and then changes it, especially on clay you can "hear" the foot-work very good (tz,tz,tz,tz...shht;)).

Due to her patience she just tries to run everything down, which make her opponents going crazy after a while which most often ends with an unforced error. If you look at the stats of her opponents youīll see that their numbers of UEs is very high. Very often poeple think itīs because the opponent was just playing bad, but itīs because of the reason Iīve mentioned.

Anticipation...do I need to say more to this? Fantastic. She seems to see what the opponentīs going to do. Nice to see in the match against Maria yesterday and especially against J-Cap at the FO.

Ankle...she tries to hit the ball as straight as possible, so that the opponents wonīt get a chance to hit balls with extreme ankles.

Groundtstrokes...amazing, especially the backhand. She does have the most effective double-backhand right now on the tour. The forehand is good, but when she has an off-day, the forehand can really give her a hard time.

Change of pace: Really interesting, you wouldnīt count Nastya as a hard hitter, but she has the ability to change the speed of the balls very differently. Another thing which freaks the opponents out (just ask J-cap).

Mental: Hmmm...I guess she just needs to scream at her coach and breaking rackets though leading 4-1. Not very nice behaviour, but hey, it works.

She can play on every surface, which you canīt find that often.


Overall: her game isnīt spectecular, but itīs efficient, itīs all about tactics and I love it. Itīs a pity most people donīt see it, just because sheīs no hard-hitter.

deckham
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:55 PM
mentally she will beat anyone... she is the craftiest smartest best player on the tour... :drink:

Gowza
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:00 PM
great speed and a good thinker, she does posses a lot of power but doesnt use it that often whether this be a means of tactics or purely because physically she cant hit with that power for long periods of time ie a match.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:56 PM
Maria fell apart against Suarez. Last night was no different.
When Maria is not dominating, she starts to go for the lines.
When she's not on grass, that doesn't work against a steady player.

Bezz
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:58 PM
I think myskina has a very solid game, she doesnt have any glearing weaknesses and she is very fast. She can also pack a bit of a punch if she sets up well for the shots. :)

Martian Willow
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:01 PM
...people always play crap against her...she's just, like, reelly reelly lucky... :)

thelittlestelf
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:01 PM
She is very mentally tough and has a great dtl backhand, and she also is VERY quick about hitting behind players. She moves very well too.

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:49 PM
...people always play crap against her...she's just, like, reelly reelly lucky... :)

Yeah, she really seems to have more luck than anybody, like some higher spriti wants her to win. She should just try to play at the lottery, that would be a lot easier. Itīs just luck and nothing else, we knew it!

You are cheating, Miss M;)

Crazy_Fool
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:55 PM
She's very intelligent, draws errors out of people alot. It may look like the other player is playing crap, but really its cos Nastya is very consistent and makes very few ue.

Gowza
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:24 PM
I think myskina has a very solid game, she doesnt have any glearing weaknesses and she is very fast. She can also pack a bit of a punch if she sets up well for the shots. :)
her serve is a bit of a weakness but her speed, thinking and consistency on her groundies gets her through her matches whether she draws errors from players or out thinks them or just gets them so impatient they start to hit out a bit to much.

TonyP
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:32 PM
People used to ask the very same question about Martina Hingis. Others would play her who had much better serves, better forehands, were even faster around the court. But they'd look up at the game clock, only about an hour had gone by, and these more spectacular players would find themselves down match point and wonder, how the heck did this happen? And it would happen to them over and over again against Martina.

Myskina plays that kind of game. She is a great counter puncher because she anticipates well. She has lots of variety in her game, and is a very consistant player, just like Hingis was. And most important of all, as was evident in her victory over Maria yesterday, she has patience. She waits for her opening.

I don't see much stopping Myskina from getting to number one, perhaps by the end of the year. Maria may be right behind her, but Anastasia will get there first.

Fantastic
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:54 PM
I can imagine going out there to play someone like Myskina and totally dreading the prospect. How do you beat someone who a) never makes a mistake b) gets everything back c) knows where you're going to play the ball every time? That is an intimidating prospect to face in an opponent.

Bright Red
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:05 PM
Great question. I'd also been wondering.

Great answers, too. :)

backhanddtl4
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:30 PM
She has good anticipation and court sense too. She can tell where her oponent is going to hit the ball, and she's usually at the right place at the right time. Along with solid strokes and fox-like quickness, she's made to be a top player.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:33 PM
Anastasia is very fast around the court. And she doesn't beat herself. She makes shots at big moments.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:41 PM
Sheīs very patient, she never tries to hit a winner, when she isnīt sure about it. Her foot-work is the best Iīve seen in a long time, you know if you only watch at her feet itīs very interesting, she does a lot of little steps, especially when going for a backhand winner and then changes it, especially on clay you can "hear" the foot-work very good (tz,tz,tz,tz...shht;)).

Due to her patience she just tries to run everything down, which make her opponents going crazy after a while which most often ends with an unforced error. If you look at the stats of her opponents youīll see that their numbers of UEs is very high. Very often poeple think itīs because the opponent was just playing bad, but itīs because of the reason Iīve mentioned.

Anticipation...do I need to say more to this? Fantastic. She seems to see what the opponentīs going to do. Nice to see in the match against Maria yesterday and especially against J-Cap at the FO.

Ankle...she tries to hit the ball as straight as possible, so that the opponents wonīt get a chance to hit balls with extreme ankles.

Groundtstrokes...amazing, especially the backhand. She does have the most effective double-backhand right now on the tour. The forehand is good, but when she has an off-day, the forehand can really give her a hard time.

Change of pace: Really interesting, you wouldnīt count Nastya as a hard hitter, but she has the ability to change the speed of the balls very differently. Another thing which freaks the opponents out (just ask J-cap).

Mental: Hmmm...I guess she just needs to scream at her coach and breaking rackets though leading 4-1. Not very nice behaviour, but hey, it works.

She can play on every surface, which you canīt find that often.


Overall: her game isnīt spectecular, but itīs efficient, itīs all about tactics and I love it. Itīs a pity most people donīt see it, just because sheīs no hard-hitter.
Wow Spunky, that's the most complete and detailed analysis of Myskina's game I have ever read. I just don't know what can I add. You understand the game maybe as good as Nastya herself:worship:
But how can you say that it isn't a spectacular game. Which game is more spectacular - with 30 aces and 50 unreturnable serves. In that case Roddick is much more spectacular than Federer.:unsure: Nastya's game has everything - when she need she can hit the ball as hard as everyone big hitter, but she doesn't need doing it all the time. Her movement and footwork is elegant as of a balerina, her thinking is as of a chess-player, her speed is as of a sprinter... The only thing she hasn't is a big serve, but that's IMO the most boring part of tennis and I hope they will change the rules soon.
I don't understand how can some people compare her with ASV, maybe someone will find a similarity with ASP as well. Nooo Nastya is a new and more powerful version of Hingis and she is the biggest hope of the intelligent women's tennis in the heavy battle with the brutal force

CC
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:42 PM
She's steady and swift.

Steff_forever
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:44 PM
Change of pace: Really interesting, you wouldnīt count Nastya as a hard hitter, but she has the ability to change the speed of the balls very differently. Another thing which freaks the opponents out (just ask J-cap).
that's the quintessential reason ...


Overall: her game isnīt spectecular, but itīs efficient, itīs all about tactics and I love it. Itīs a pity most people donīt see it, just because sheīs no hard-hitter.
I don't think so. Her defensive shots and her changes of pace are. That's why she's just dangerous to hard-hitters who don't expect a ball can come back any other than speedy. But it can. That's why I likje her game plan-B. It's intelligent. It works. :drool:

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I can imagine going out there to play someone like Myskina and totally dreading the prospect. How do you beat someone who a) never makes a mistake b) gets everything back c) knows where you're going to play the ball every time? That is an intimidating prospect to face in an opponent.
Sometimes I think it's not cleverness but much intuition. She smells where she would play a ball she just had hit herself. And she already knows the answer to it. Like a cat in the night she awaits these situations.

Anastasia Myskina is the most differentiated playing gambler since Marina Hingis. That's the reason I like her sometimes deeper than Alyona. But I can't see her being the number one someday. There will always be one hard-hitter amongst the thousands who stands between her and the #1. :rolleyes:

But go for it, Nastya, you are the one who deserves it most. :devil:

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:20 PM
I agree w/ most of what has been said. But, of course, Goldenlox had to assail Maria in a thread about Myskina:tape: . I like Myskina more and more by the day, but I want J-Cap to destroy her next week in Montreal, because I love J-Cap more:devil: .

Steff_forever
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:33 PM
I agree w/ most of what has been said. But, of course, Goldenlox had to assail Maria in a thread about Myskina:tape: . I like Myskina more and more by the day, but I want J-Cap to destroy her next week in Montreal, because I love J-Cap more:devil: .
if both reach the semis that's ok for me as I like Jenny, too. ;)

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:55 PM
I agree w/ most of what has been said. But, of course, Goldenlox had to assail Maria in a thread about Myskina:tape: . I like Myskina more and more by the day, but I want J-Cap to destroy her next week in Montreal, because I love J-Cap more:devil: .
GL is one of the biggest Masha's supporters. In RR she often makes me mad, claining that Masha is far superior than Nastya. GL just likes confrontations.
About Montreal I hope J-Cap to be destroyed by Nastya;)

Peer101
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:57 PM
I think she has an ugly game

weird strokes and a very flat ball

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:10 PM
I think she has an ugly game

weird strokes and a very flat ball
I think you have an ugly nature:devil:

Crazy_Fool
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:12 PM
I think she has an ugly game

weird strokes and a very flat ball
Yeah, ugly enough to have a 3-0 lead over Masha in h2h, and just recenlty won a GS.

tterb
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:36 PM
I think Spunky said it all... :eek: :worship:

Anastasia has patience, variety, speed, and anticipation as her main weapons ( and also that backhand ;) ). She knows how to move the ball around until she has the opportunity for a winner. She can hit the ball with a lot of power, but she doesn't rely on that. She mixes up the pace of her shots, and also knows how to hit the ball deep and then short in the court, forcing opponents to move forward and backward as well as side to side. Her ability to find the weakness of her opponent is amazing... It does often look (like Crazy Fool said) as if her opponent is playing badly, but it's because Anastasia forces them to play that way. She has incredible anticipation of where the next shot is going, and she can run everything down ith her speed... The best thing, though, is what she does when she gets to the ball. You think you hit a great shot? Oops, here it comes, right back at you, landing right on the baseline. :worship:

The first serve really isn't that bad, either. The second is probably her main weakness, but once you're in a rally with Myskina, watch out. I would like to see her play Davenport in the Acura final to see her tactics in the match... Lindsay isn't easily forced into making unforced errors, so if Anastasia can't move Lindsay around, she might have to try to hit with her and go for more winners. That's a style I think she can win with as well, but it would be a fun matchup for sure! For that matter, so will her match against Vera, whom I also love. :hearts:

Sharap0va
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:40 PM
Myskina isn't pretty, so the only way she wins is when her opponents:

1) Don't care.

2) Are tired.

3) Are injured.

4) Have such a great life outside of tennis, that they mock Myskina for actually caring about tennis.

5) Have model shoots to do, which Myskina wouldn't understand.

I'm not being funny... this is what a lot of you idiots have said before about other players, and will say again.

tterb
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:41 PM
Anastasia is very fast around the court. And she doesn't beat herself. She makes shots at big moments.

Of course, this sums it up nicely, too. And much more concisely than me ;). You have to beat Myskina because she won't beat herself, and she does come up with the goods on the big points. And I believe I forgot to mention her footwork... It is :worship:.

Plus, like Spunky said, she can do well on any surface. You have to love that! :D

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:54 PM
Myskina isn't pretty, so the only way she wins is when her opponents:

1) Don't care.

2) Are tired.

3) Are injured.

4) Have such a great life outside of tennis, that they mock Myskina for actually caring about tennis.

5) Have model shoots to do, which Myskina wouldn't understand.

I'm not being funny... this is what a lot of you idiots have said before about other players, and will say again.

Your ignorance is enough proof that you're less than a casual tennis fan or I don't even call you a tennis fan cuz you are obviously not capable of seeing what's going on on the court. My advice: stop wasting time trying to watch tennis cuz obviously you're getting nothing outa it.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:03 PM
I just find it curious how Doc completely ruled out Myskina ever attaining no.1 and winning other majors....interesting.

treufreund
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:23 AM
NASTYA RULES!! SHUT the hell up haters! She has INCREDIBLE HANDS and hits very difficult placement shots out of desperate situation. She creates good shots out of difficult positioning and is smart!

tennnisfannn
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:41 AM
When she is on she is incredible. her groundies are amazing and her power off the ground is also underrated. She can also make winners from anywhere in the court. What I love about her is she has this quiet confidence about her. this girl si going places.
For so long she was the top tenner, a level below the willams. belgians,jen/lindsay/momo and a step above the ai. chanda and otherS who filled up the top ten. I am so glad she finally closed the gap and stepped up.
NOW IF ONLY EVERYONE CAN GET HEALTHY WE CAN ENJOY SOME GOOD TENNIS.

fammmmedspin
Aug 1st, 2004, 01:01 AM
There are two interesting sub-threads on the accura thread. There was one where a FM repored on seeing the matches and seeing Myskina sitting watching listening to music. Then there is the interview where Myskina describes how she watched Maria and worked out what to do. What she said she worked out to do was what she did to get back in the first set. Its called strategy.

Add to that the fact that as more and more players play "spectacular" tennis fewer can rally with someone who gets their shots back. They can hit hard but they can't keep on doing it.

Vass22
Aug 1st, 2004, 01:23 AM
Myskina isn't pretty, so the only way she wins is when her opponents:

1) Don't care.

2) Are tired.

3) Are injured.

4) Have such a great life outside of tennis, that they mock Myskina for actually caring about tennis.

5) Have model shoots to do, which Myskina wouldn't understand.

I'm not being funny... this is what a lot of you idiots have said before about other players, and will say again.


We idiots have said those point separately in other threads but you are the only one who packed them this way! New generation of "tennis fans" is comming: a player isn't "pretty" so he can't play, they say! They openly unite looks with performance nowadays!

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:27 PM
There are two interesting sub-threads on the accura thread. There was one where a FM repored on seeing the matches and seeing Myskina sitting watching listening to music. Then there is the interview where Myskina describes how she watched Maria and worked out what to do. What she said she worked out to do was what she did to get back in the first set. Its called strategy.

Add to that the fact that as more and more players play "spectacular" tennis fewer can rally with someone who gets their shots back. They can hit hard but they can't keep on doing it.


Well said.

Rub
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:55 PM
she is smart.. yeah...