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Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:05 AM
Sarah Hughes upset Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya for the figure skating gold medal. Despite the fact that she is clearly outclassed by the top figure skaters, she happened to have a good short and long program (do mostly to her triple triples and not really much of anything to do with artistry). Michelle and Slutskaya didn't perform up to par, and therefore the gold to Hughes.

Well I'll be slammed for this comment, but I don't really care, 'cuz the Acura quarterfinal tonight made me thing that Sharapova is in the same boat. She was clearly outplayed by Myskina. Not by power, of course, because everyone knows Sharapova is a "swing away at every point as hard as you can" machine. Like Sarah Hughes, who does as many triple-triples as she can to gain points from her lack of artistry, Sharapova just slams the ball every point hoping for a 50-50 chance to end the point.

Myskina outclassed Maria today. Maria squeeked by with Wimbledon win, but with results like today (not by losing, but by the way she lost with zillions of unforced and crazy errors), she definetly isn't representing a champion.

Bad points for me, oh well ;)

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:08 AM
I agree about Kwan and Slutskaya. What a blown opportunity for Gold for both of them.

Sharapova certainly does not compare to the players above her at this point, but, to be honest, she is still only 17 and has much improving left to do. As much as I can't stand her or her fans, she does not yet deserve to be called the "Sarah Huges of tennis." ;)

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:11 AM
Yes, it's certainly too early to call her that... unless she's already announced her plans to run off to Yale and I missed that thread ;)

If the Sharapova trolls would just all die a nice quiet death, she'd be quite easy to accept, actually. It's getting irritating hearing that she's all of a sudden the favourite against Myskina, and whoever else. Please.

Anyways, I expect more great things from her in the future... not so much from Sarah - at least, not on the ice ;)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:11 AM
I agree about Kwan and Slutskaya. What a blown opportunity for Gold for both of them.

Sharapova certainly does not compare to the players above her at this point, but, to be honest, she is still only 17 and has much improving left to do. As much as I can't stand her or her fans, she does not yet deserve to be called the "Sarah Huges of tennis." ;)

She did beat Sugiyama, Davenport and Serena Williams at Wimbledon. That isn't nothing. I think it's actually ridiculous to say she's not as good as the players ahead of her yet. She might not be ... but what are we basing this on? What happened in March? Who cares? She's much better now.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:13 AM
She did beat Sugiyama, Davenport and Serena Williams at Wimbledon. That isn't nothing. I think it's actually ridiculous to say she's not as good as the players ahead of her yet. She might not be ... but what are we basing this on? What happened in March? Who cares? She's much better now.
I think that he was actually basing it on what happened tonight...

(not that I agree with his overall assessment, mind you)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:15 AM
I think that he was actually basing it on what happened tonight...

(not that I agree with his overall assessment, mind you)

The first paragraph obviously refers to Wimbledon.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:17 AM
The first paragraph obviously refers to Wimbledon.
Yes, and then he continues with this:

'cuz the Acura quarterfinal tonight made me thing that Sharapova is in the same boat

Hence my assumption that his post was inspired by tonights result

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:17 AM
Um, what about March? :confused:

I'm basing that statement on her record, of course. She has not had great results, over all, against the top players ranked ahead of her. Time and time again, they have gotten the better of her. The one exception, obviously was Wimbledon, which is comparable, according to Jeff, with Sarah's Gold medal victory (the one difference being that Sarah didn't benefit from fortunate rain delays at opportune moments ;)). If that title was a sign that she has indeed reached the level of those ahead of her already, then she better start proving it. She certainly did not today.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:18 AM
Yes, and then he continues with this:

'cuz the Acura quarterfinal tonight made me thing that Sharapova is in the same boat

Hence my assumption that his post was inspired by tonights result

So fucking what?

He talks of Wimbledon. So did I. It's relevant.

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:18 AM
what the hell, im not a figure skating fan at all, but wasn't it the long program that hughes won, coming back from fourth place to get to the top. and isn't the long program the one that emphasizes artistry??? get your facts straight...

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:19 AM
Um, what about March? :confused:

I'm basing that statement on her record, of course. She has not had great results, over all, against the top players ranked ahead of her. Time and time again, they have gotten the better of her. The one exception, obviously was Wimbledon, which is comparable, according to Jeff, with Sarah's Gold medal victory (the one difference being that Sarah didn't benefit from fortunate rain delays at opportune moments ;)). If that title was a sign that she has indeed reached the level of those ahead of her already, then she better start proving it. She certainly did not today.

Oh, time and time again. Yes, she's been around for AGES and she's obviously not improving, right Leo? She's getting better and better, and I don't care that Vera won a match with her in March because it doesn't matter now. She's a new player. Get it?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:20 AM
So fucking what?

He talks of Wimbledon. So did I. It's relevant.
mm hmm. You clearly missed my point. I will move on now.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:21 AM
mm hmm. You clearly missed my point. I will move on now.

Of course I missed your point! What other explanation is there?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:22 AM
what the hell, im not a figure skating fan at all, but wasn't it the long program that hughes won, coming back from fourth place to get to the top. and isn't the long program the one that emphasizes artistry??? get your facts straight...
Um. If everybody else falls on their ass during key elements, it doesn't much matter if they had better artistic presentation than you.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:23 AM
Once again you bring up March and I have no idea why. :confused: Is that your favorite month of the year or something?

I never said that she's been around for ages. Obviously she is young and she has much improving to do. I did say that in my first post in this thread, but obviously you're not the best reader. And all I mean is that Sharapova is clearly not ready to beat those ranked ahead of her on a consistent basis yet because she is not steady, consistent, or sure of herself enough to do that. They are a level above her. That will most likely be different a year or two from now.

Jarrett
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:23 AM
Sarah beat both at Skate Canada as well. So.... I guess Maria will win a tier I soon or at least a tier II. :p

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:24 AM
Once again you bring up March and I have no idea why. :confused: Is that your favorite month of the year or something?

I never said that she's been around for ages. Obviously she is young and she has much improving to do. I did say that in my first post in this thread, but obviously you're not the best reader. And all I mean is that Sharapova is clearly not ready to beat those ranked ahead of her on a consistent basis yet because she is not steady, consistent, or sure of herself enough to do that. They are a level above her. That will most likely be different a year or two from now.

I don't think it'll take that long and in light of past events, I don't think you can say that there is any relevant evidence that suggests that. Apparently you're not a very good reader, because you didn't get that the first time. Dismissed, Leo, dismissed.

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:24 AM
Um. If everybody else falls on their ass during key elements, it doesn't much matter if they had better artistic presentation than you.
then doesnt that make her the better skater and more deserving? doing things just as difficult and pulling them off when it really matters... um, also, i've admitted i don't really follow figure skating at all, but how the hell is it even possible to have better artistry during a program if you fall down or botch jumps when you're up against someone who stayed solidly on their feet the whole time???

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:25 AM
what the hell, im not a figure skating fan at all, but wasn't it the long program that hughes won, coming back from fourth place to get to the top. and isn't the long program the one that emphasizes artistry??? get your facts straight...
You didn't even see the competition so how do you know what the facts are? Sarah Hughes did not show any wonderful artistry in her short or long program; she won the Gold by impressing the judges with several nailed triples and combos - which the other competitors were unable to accomplish. She showed good basics under pressure, unlike her nervous opponents.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:27 AM
then doesnt that make her the better skater and more deserving? doing things just as difficult and pulling them off when it really matters... um, also, i've admitted i don't really follow figure skating at all, but how the hell is it even possible to have better artistry during a program if you fall down or botch jumps when you're up against someone who stayed solidly on their feet the whole time???
It's possible to have better overall presentation but botch it on one fall... and who said that Sarah didn't deserve her gold medal? :confused: She was the better skater on the night.

Jarrett
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:27 AM
but how the hell is it even possible to have better artistry during a program if you fall down or botch jumps when you're up against someone who stayed solidly on their feet the whole time???
That actually happens a LOT. ;)

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:27 AM
then doesnt that make her the better skater and more deserving? doing things just as difficult and pulling them off when it really matters... um, also, i've admitted i don't really follow figure skating at all, but how the hell is it even possible to have better artistry during a program if you fall down or botch jumps when you're up against someone who stayed solidly on their feet the whole time???
Solidity and artistry are two very different things. Don't get them confused.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:28 AM
Solidity and artistry are two very different things. Don't get them confused.

SHUT DOWN.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:30 AM
I don't think it'll take that long and in light of past events, I don't think you can say that there is any relevant evidence that suggests that. Apparently you're not a very good reader, because you didn't get that the first time. Dismissed, Leo, dismissed.
None at all, V, not at all. ;)

I am yet to see you present any "evidence" that suggests that Sharapova will soon be #1 in the world.

We'll see what she does this summer and fall.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:30 AM
As expected, all the trolls are coming out of their holes to gloat that Maria finally lost a match after a 14 match winning stretch.

Yes Nobody in the Top Five or Ten ever lost a match - right :rolleyes:

Nobody in the Top ten ever had a bad day when they weren't playing their best. I don't think so.

I really get sick of people who can't bear to see anyone with talent and guts without trying to tear them down.....

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:31 AM
Solidity and artistry are two very different things. Don't get them confused.
i know... but if someone's spending time on their ass, then it's going to take away from their artistry whereas someone else who hits all the jumps, nails all the basics, it just has a better flow, doesn't it? and isn't that what the presentation scores are supposed to award?

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:32 AM
I really get sick of people who can't bear to see anyone with talent and guts without trying to tear them down.....
Ummm, have you met her fans?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:35 AM
As expected, all the trolls are coming out of their holes to gloat that Maria finally lost a match after a 14 match winning stretch.

Yes Nobody in the Top Five or Ten ever lost a match - right :rolleyes:

Nobody in the Top ten ever had a bad day when they weren't playing their best. I don't think so.

I really get sick of people who can't bear to see anyone with talent and guts without trying to tear them down.....
Funny, here I was thinking that the trolls were the ones posting threads about this "great upset" :lol:

franny
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:36 AM
That is such an unfair comment to make based on what, one tournament? I understand the analogy that you were going for there, but it just doesn't work.
1) Maria is just 17. She isn't going to retire anytime soon.
2) Tennis is a one on one sport. Figure skating is not. In figure skating, your performance theoretically has no effect on your opponents.
3) The same could have been said for Serena after the 99 U.S Open, but Serena in the past few years clearly has proven herself. Look for Sharapova to do the same.
4) Sarah Huges retired from amateur skating dude. She had a great olympic, but the olympics come around every 4 years. There are four grand slams a year in tennis plus tons of other tournaments a year. So to say that Maria is the Sarah Huges of tennis is ridiculous. Because Sarah Huges retired, we will never know whether or not she would have improved her skating and continue to challenge the Kwans and Cohens at the top. Because Maria has not retired yet, we really can't say that she left the sport after one big win. So Maria cannot be the Sarah Huges of tennis.
5) Things change. People's games change. Maria will improve and I have no doubt that eventually she will be a top five player who will win many more grand slams. Don't start saying these things after one match. Does it make you happy to post negative thoughts on forums and hope to rile up others?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:36 AM
Ummm, have you met her fans?
Ding ding! :lol:

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:39 AM
As expected, all the trolls are coming out of their holes to gloat that Maria finally lost a match after a 14 match winning stretch.

Yes Nobody in the Top Five or Ten ever lost a match - right :rolleyes:

Nobody in the Top ten ever had a bad day when they weren't playing their best. I don't think so.

I really get sick of people who can't bear to see anyone with talent and guts without trying to tear them down.....I don't see many gloaters tonight, but let one of those awful Williams sisters lose and watch the freaks come out.

BTW, is this your first time visiting wtaworld after a upset?

If so I feel sorry for you, you will have to become immune to the comments.:tape: :lol:

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:41 AM
BTW, is this your first time visiting wtaworld after a upset?


Tonight is not his first time visiting WTA World after an upset, no. For that to happen, an upset would have had to have occurred.

No upsets did.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:41 AM
BTW, is this your first time visiting wtaworld after a upset?


It couldn't have been, since there was no upset. NO UPSET.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:42 AM
Tonight is not his first time visiting WTA World after an upset, no. For that to happen, an upset would have had to have occurred.

No upsets did.
I'm slow :sad:

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:48 AM
Thanks for the clarification Hurley and Becs. :wavey:

What would I do without the post police.:worship: :worship: Oh I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy~~:tape: :lol: ;)

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:49 AM
You point out the upset, harloo. I'm DYING to see where one occurred.

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:49 AM
That figure skating analogy really sucks. Who has won there is decided by subjective opinions of judges.
As for Masha's loss... It means only that at the moment she's not confident enough to beat Nastya. But she's been developing fast (damn how many more times that must be stated) It's really too early to make far-reaching conclusions.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:51 AM
It means only that at the moment she's not confident enough to beat Nastya.

Or it means that she just doesn't match up against Myskina. Or it means that she simply isn't as good as Myskina. It could mean many things. I'm not sure why so many people think that it's simply a matter of confidence. I have a hard time believing that somebody who smacks Serena in the Wimbledon finals is not "confident enough" to beat Myskina at Acura.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:54 AM
That figure skating analogy really sucks. Who has won there is decided by subjective opinions of judges.
Yes and no. There were judges, but there was never any question who that medal belonged to after all of the long performances were done. Hughes was the only one not to choke.

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:55 AM
What happened to Michelle at the Olympics? Now that was very sad to see her lose the gold again. Will she ever win a gold?:sad:

Also I think Sharapova is just young and needs time to develop more. At Wimby she felt no pressure, but now she is basically the hunted and she has to learn how to deal with the pressure of it all. Plus she will learn not to go for everything so I don't know if comparing her to sarah hughes is a fair comparison, but I can see the paralells.

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:01 AM
You point out the upset, harloo. I'm DYING to see where one occurred.
wimby champ vs. fo champ. fo champ leads h2h, but wimby champ is the top dog and from projections can eclipse Serena's appeal. Of course Skina is seeded higher, and it may not be an upset on paper, but in terms of star power and appeal it's a big upset and blow for the tournament.

Satisfied? Or do you need to give me a bad rep like you usually do? LOL:tape: :lol:

Bye now!!:wavey:

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:03 AM
it may not be an upset on paper

Mmm. And you have that bad rep thing backwards, bub.

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:05 AM
If you insist


Thanks for the bad rep as usual Hurley!! Good job, hope it makes you feel good. ROTFLMAO!!!
:lol:

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:06 AM
Why do you care so much? Poor baby. :sad:

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:10 AM
Or it means that she just doesn't match up against Myskina. Or it means that she simply isn't as good as Myskina. It could mean many things. I'm not sure why so many people think that it's simply a matter of confidence. I have a hard time believing that somebody who smacks Serena in the Wimbledon finals is not "confident enough" to beat Myskina at Acura.
Wimbly final and this match have very different psychological aspects. Those who watched the Masha - Nastya match all say that Masha just got very nervous from the game she served for set. Nastya's game did not change. Masha definitely has the game to beat Nastya (Wimbly just showed that), there's simply not enough confidence.

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:11 AM
Masha definitely has the game to beat Nastya

And what you people are too fucking stupid to understand is:

VICE FUCKING VERSA

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:12 AM
Why do you care so much? Poor baby. :sad:
Unfortunately I don't give a rats ass, I just find it hilarious.:lol: :lol: :lol:

harloo
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:13 AM
So I guess using that logic, each time Kournikova lost, it was an upset.
Not the same, unfortunately Kournikova never won Wimbledon or any title for that matter. ;) :D

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:17 AM
Unfortunately I don't give a rats ass

Says the boy who hasn't shut up about it all night.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:18 AM
And what you people are too fucking stupid to understand is:

VICE FUCKING VERSA
Heh.

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:19 AM
And what you people are too fucking stupid to understand is:

VICE FUCKING VERSA
Use your brains before you post. Not something else.

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:20 AM
Yes. Three miracles occurred on the days Nastya beat Maria. There is no other way she can win.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:22 AM
Use your brains before you post. Not something else.
Now there is a line of advice that ought to be stamped and posted to Sharapova fans everywhere.

Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:33 AM
The first paragraph obviously refers to Wimbledon.Actually if you read my post clearly, yes the paragraph was referring to Wimbledon, but the overall post was referring to her match from tonight vs. her performance at Wimbledon. All this hype even in America over Maria and how she is so damb good. Well the truth is that she is one demensional, and if her 50/50, swing away at every shot isn't going in, then her tennis is sloppy as hell. Nobody gave as much credit to Nastya when she won the French, but I think tonights performance cleared up who the better player still is at the moment, despite those who will naturally refuse to believe. Hence the inevitable bad reps that I could give a rats butt about.

And although Hughes and Maria aren't exactly the same, the analogy isn't so far off. Just cuz one is judged and one isnt--Hughes is a Gold Medal winner (obviously, she won it and did the best that day, considering everyone else screwed up mind you), but she's not even close to the best figure skater--just as Maria was the best at that particular time at Wimbledon, however her representation as a Grand Slam champion was not well tonight. It was sloppy, period.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:35 AM
Actually if you read my post clearly, yes the paragraph was referring to Wimbledon, but the overall post was referring to her match from tonight vs. her performance at Wimbledon. All this hype even in America over Maria and how she is so damb good. Well the truth is that she is one demensional, and if her 50/50, swing away at every shot isn't going in, then her tennis is sloppy as hell. Nobody gave as much credit to Nastya when she won the French, but I think tonights performance cleared up who the better player still is at the moment, despite those who will naturally refuse to believe. Hence the inevitable bad reps that I could give a rats but about.

And although my analogy with Hughes is a bit extreme, I still think Hughes is a Gold Medal winner (obviously, she won it and did the best that day, considering everyone else screwed up mind you), but she's not even close to the best figure skater--just as Maria was the best at that particular time at Wimbledon, however her representation as a Grand Slam champion was not well tonight. It was sloppy, period.

LOL. YOU ARE BASING YOUR COMPARISON ON HUGHES UPSET WIN COMPARED TO MARIA'S WHICH WAS AT WIMBLEDON. END OF STORY. THAT MAKES WIMBLEDON AN INTEGRAL PART OF YOUR POST AND FAIR GAME FOR ANY COMMENT.

Get it?

Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:38 AM
Lol...

Actually I was comparing Hughes' actual level and performance outside of the Olympics, with Maria's actual level and performance outside of Wimbledon. Get it?

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:42 AM
Lol...

Actually I was comparing Hughes' actual level and performance outside of the Olympics, with Maria's actual level and performance outside of Wimbledon. Get it?

Yes, moron, of course I do. But you brought up Wimbledon and called it a fluke like Hughes' win. THAT MAKES IT UTTERLY RELEVANT TO DEBATE WHETHER IT WAS A FLUKE OR NOT!

Understand, finally?

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:47 AM
Lol...

Actually I was comparing Hughes' actual level and performance outside of the Olympics, with Maria's actual level and performance outside of Wimbledon. Get it?

Oh you mean, rising from 180 in the world to 36 in one year? Or being the only WTA player unbeaten on grass courts? or just winning 14 WTA tournament matches in a stretch back-to-back?

No? Or are you basing the whole pile of manure in that post on one match?

Right. :rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:49 AM
Oh you mean, rising from 180 in the world to 36 in one year? Or being the only WTA player unbeaten on grass courts? or just winning 14 WTA tournament matches in a stretch back-to-back?

No? Or are you basing the whole pile of manure in that post on one match?

Right. :rolleyes:
Boo hoo

Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:51 AM
Yes, moron, of course I do. But you brought up Wimbledon and called it a fluke like Hughes' win. THAT MAKES IT UTTERLY RELEVANT TO DEBATE WHETHER IT WAS A FLUKE OR NOT!

Understand, finally?
Did I mention the word fluke ever in this thread? Don't think so.

What I get is that you are arguing something different than I. You are just one who wants to pick out a particular piece and try to manipulate it into something it clearly isn't and change the actual arguement of the thread.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:53 AM
Did I mention the word fluke ever in this thread? Don't think so.

What I get is that you are arguing something different than I. You are just one who wants to pick out a particular piece and try to manipulate it into something it clearly isn't and change the actual arguement of the thread.

Jeff, I'm telling you, you drew that comparison in part of the events of Wimbledon. So that cannot be discluded as it's part of the comparison whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Sorry.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:58 AM
Wimbly final and this match have very different psychological aspects. Those who watched the Masha - Nastya match all say that Masha just got very nervous from the game she served for set. Nastya's game did not change. Masha definitely has the game to beat Nastya (Wimbly just showed that), there's simply not enough confidence.
Actually Myskina's game did change. She improved greatly as the night wore on.

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:00 AM
No, Leo. I refuse to believe that Nastya can beat Maria. There is absolutely NO WAY that can happen. Everyone knows it.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:01 AM
You're right. My mistake.

Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:05 AM
Well maybe if you read the second paragraph...then the first? Oh I'm trying so hard for a hard head, who probably already knows what I am saying, but just doesn't want to moosh it in their head :lol:

Oh well, my point stands...Maria wins Wimbledon...Maria played good at Wimbledon with her go for broke game...Maria deserved to win Wimbledon...but Maria's hype from Wimbledon is overrated due to her go-for-broke-on-every-point game....proven tonight that if her plan A game isn't on, it's extremely off and not representative of the hype as "better than the rest."

So maybe that'll help you. If not, it's a hopeless case, and I need to move on and go to bed. It was actually fun replying, but I need to get to bed. Night :wavey:

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:06 AM
Well maybe if you read the second paragraph...then the first? Oh I'm trying so hard for a hard head, who probably already knows what I am saying, but just doesn't want to moosh it in their head :lol:

Oh well, my point stands...Maria wins Wimbledon...Maria played good at Wimbledon with her go for broke game...Maria deserved to win Wimbledon...but Maria's hype from Wimbledon is overrated due to her go-for-broke-on-every-point game....proven tonight that if her plan A game isn't on, it's extremely off and not representative of the hype as "better than the rest."

So maybe that'll help you. If not, it's a hopeless case, and I need to move on and go to bed. It was actually fun replying, but I need to get to bed. Night :wavey:

I see, so you admit the events of Wimbledon are central to the point you are trying to make, and therefore dissent towards your interpretations of said events is totally valid.

DISMISSED.

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:09 AM
Leo, Hurley, what's your point dudes? Exercising in making sarcastic notes?

Hurley
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:28 AM
Just something for us to do since you're too dumb to understand this post:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=3898673&postcount=47

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:31 AM
Also, the title should read "Sharapova is the Sarah Hughes of tennis".

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:03 AM
Just something for us to do since you're too dumb to understand this post:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=3898673&postcount=47
Seems you're still not using your brain :lol:
At least when you post here.

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:35 AM
The Thread title should be Sharapov is the Sarah Hughes of tennis.

jojoseph
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:36 AM
You guys are clearly missing the big picture here. Everything was going Masha's way until 5-2 in the first. What, did everyone miss that? One thing players like her have to do when something like this happens is look at the tape from when she was pwning, to when things changed and ask themselves "what changed". Clearly it was her mentality. It's funny that I keep hearing "oh, well, she was outclassed". How exactly? Myskina's game was so much more baseline than Masha's it's ridiculous to hear that she was outclassed. I mean, how many more times did Masha come to the net? So many more times.

But, Masha went from being very positive to being very negative in a span of one game, that being the 8th game in the first set. She kept hanging her head and getting all down on herself, and all Myskina did was rally with her. The worst thing Masha could do was hit a bunch of short balls and watch Myskina hit a bunch of winners. That may work with a lower caliber player, but not with someone as strong as Myskina. The thing about it, though, was that Masha was hitting some pretty funking incredible shots, even so, some that most players when they get down on themselves will never in their wildest dreams hit. I mean, some of her returns of serve were bad ass and Myskina wasn't quite doing that. She just fed off of Masha's miscues. And that tells you that if she can learn to keep a positive spirited head throughout a tough match like this, she shouldn't have any problems beating Myskina come rematch time. It was weird though, not quite sure why she got all negative, she was doing well.

Oh, yeah, and the stadium announcer cracked me up when he referred to Myskina as to having "known what she was doing every second of the match" after the match ended. Apparently he didn't catch the first 7 games.

All and all, a very great match, with some pretty incredible rallies, especially in the 6th game of the second set! :bounce:

Jakeev
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:56 AM
Maria was playing beautiful tennis up to 5-2 in the first set and even had a set point at 5-4. Watching the match I just can't figure why she self destructed.

Two things were obvious though. Myskina was a definite wall and she was able to to get everything back in her ability in turning the match around.

Maria on the other hand did not look like the patient, determined champion who won two grass-court titles, after she lost the 8th game of the first set. 40-something unforced errors just don't cut it against players like Myskina.

Maria is definitely no Sarah Hughes though and not sure that is a very fair comparison considering Maria has a long career in tennis ahead of her.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:08 AM
People keep bla bla about 5-2 up...yeah that would have been enough for one set, but I think in the end the result would have been the same, because Myskina´s level clearly raised too. Not surprising really....Maria might be something else on grass, but on hardcourts?! Just average..

Paneru
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:20 PM
What happened to Michelle at the Olympics? Now that was very sad to see her lose the gold again. Will she ever win a gold?:sad:


IIRC, she fell on her triple flip
and lost the gold by one judge.

She'll have another shot. :cool:

thelittlestelf
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:56 PM
It was absolutely devastating to see Michelle lose at the Olympics :(

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:22 PM
Why already judge her at this point in her career?

When Maria was playing at Wimbledon there was no pressure on her. If she would have reached the 4th round or maybe the quarter finals, then that would have been an satisfying result for her.

After she won Wimbledon though, media and some fans tried to make her look invincible. Which was obiviously ridiculous because every tennis player or other athlete can lose at any time, no matter their status or previous results.

Looking at the result against Anastasya, people should not forget that she is only 17 years old and very unexperienced compared to other players on the tour.

For an athlete that young, it is very common to be capricious. You see that in every sport. I've seen it more than enough with soccer, my favourites sport. Sometimes a player plays stunningly at 17. But how often have I seen that players choke in important matches. The media, the fans, everybody expects them to win the match by theirselves. These players however, are just too young and too inexperienced to play on a constantly high level.

In that matter, I'm a big fan of Maria Sharapova. But you will not hear me say she is the best player at the moment, or the greatest player ever. She might become (one of) the greatest player(s) ever, but she also might not. She has a lot to prove. Time will tell. At this point, it's way too early to say she is either the best or a fluke...

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:59 PM
Sharapova is the Wayne Rooney of tennis. Unbeleivable talent, determination and appetite for their game, and will acheive SO much in the future. But Sharapova is definately better looking though.

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:11 PM
People keep bla bla about 5-2 up...yeah that would have been enough for one set, but I think in the end the result would have been the same, because Myskina´s level clearly raised too. Not surprising really....Maria might be something else on grass, but on hardcourts?! Just average..
very true, but if maria had won the first set it could have completely changed the complexion of the match. in the second set she was really pressing to get back into it immediately and made many errors. had she won the first set, she probably would have played more inside her comfort zone. would this have changed the outcome? impossible to tell. but it would have been a different match.

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:15 PM
Actually Myskina's game did change. She improved greatly as the night wore on.
no she didn't. Maria sucked w/ her double faulting and so on. When Maria plays well, she beats Myskina. When Maria gets nervous, she loses. Myskina makes Maria nervous by getting ball after ball deep and back in play. Myskina deserved to win that match, but she played perfect tennis until 5-2, and perfect tennis after 5-2. Nothing to improve upon.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:26 PM
Maria plays well, she beats Myskina. When Maria gets nervous, she loses. Myskina makes Maria nervous by getting ball after ball deep and back in play.

Right.

So when Maria plays well, she beats Myskina. Yet, she's never beaten Myskina, because she can't play well against her as a result of Myskina's game.

Gee, thanks for clearing that up. What would we do without your indepth analysis?

Sharap0va
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:30 PM
Becky, ignore the fanboys.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:17 PM
Okay ;)

Sharap0va
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:22 PM
Okay ;)
Thank you for playing nice.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:23 PM
I always play nice!

nate_my_love
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:47 PM
I'd also like to add a comment to her beauty. I don't think she's that pretty. She looks much older than a 17 years old. What does that mean? It means that she has an "Old Woman" look which is not attractive to me. Therefore, she's not my Tennis Beauty Queen. And that's my opinion.

nate_my_love
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:49 PM
no she didn't. Maria sucked w/ her double faulting and so on. When Maria plays well, she beats Myskina. When Maria gets nervous, she loses. Myskina makes Maria nervous by getting ball after ball deep and back in play. Myskina deserved to win that match, but she played perfect tennis until 5-2, and perfect tennis after 5-2. Nothing to improve upon.

I feel that Myskina's game plan was really good...that it made Maria nervous and lost everthing. Could it be the lost of concentration that contributed to this loss of Maria?