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iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:40 AM
This is a disppointing loss for Maria I expected more out of her.
Well, Myskina isn't a bad player after all.. but Maria, you shoulda put up at least a closer fight.
But in a way this loss is a positive for Maria cuz I'm sure she will learn a lot from this and use the lesson to your advantage at a bigger stage. This tournament is of little significance anyways..

pav
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:43 AM
Shouldn't it be Myskine?

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:44 AM
Officially it's not an upset, since Myskina is higher seeded. But Maria should have won it, having started so well.

lizchris
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:46 AM
I'm pretty sure Maria was upset after letting Anastasia win nine straight games when serving for the first set.

Shenanigans
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:47 AM
I blame it on Mysinkas brace she opens her mouth to serve the sunlight hits her brace on to the opponents eyes and they are dazzeled.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:50 AM
Officially it's not an upset, since Myskina is higher seeded. But Maria should have won it, having started so well.
yeah she should have won eventhough her opponent played better.:rolleyes:

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:58 AM
yeah she should have won eventhough her opponent played better.:rolleyes:
I know right!

If anything, she should have won the first set, but dont say the match. Myskina is one of the grittiest players on tour.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:59 AM
upset? :confused: :scratch: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#) :cuckoo: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

DA FOREHAND
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:01 AM
what upset? Myskina is the higher ranked and better player....Myskina staved off an upset by storming back in the first set to reel off nine straight games.

beauty_is_pink
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:02 AM
what upset? Myskina is the higher ranked and better player....Myskina staved off an upset by storming back in the first set to reel off nine straight games.YOU SAID IT :worship:


It is NOT an upset... Nastya is better ranked anyways.. it was jus a much anticipated match-up :)

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:09 AM
yeah she should have won eventhough her opponent played better.:rolleyes:

I didn't see the match. Did you? But it certainly looked like Maria got nerves after playing BETTER to lead 5-2 and 5-3

franny
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:10 AM
Um, that wasn't an upset. Myskina is number 3 in the world and the number one Russian and the reigning French Open Champion. She was supposed to win that match and again showed why she is still the number 1 Russian. Her mixture of consistency with speed and accurate shotmaking is what makes her so good, and until Maria can learn to get a plan B or learn to play differently when things aren't going her way, she will always be the number 2 Russian. Dissapointed in Maria for making so many errors. My gosh, it was a shame. She just kept missing and missing and Myskina just kept getting each ball back. Maria's got some work to do still. This was a good performance by her. She showed that she deserves her ranking. Now her next step is the get into the top 5, but she'll have a lot of improving to do before she can reach that level.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:11 AM
Maria can't handle Anastasia's court coverage. She can't play steady enough.

Jasmin
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:16 AM
It's really messed up how Myskina isn't getting the respect like Sharapova. This is not an upset. They are both Slam Champs this week and Myskina is ranked number one.

I swear it's all about looks with people.

Julian
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:40 AM
I didnt know Yuri played against Nastya! :eek:

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:51 AM
I blame it on Mysinkas brace she opens her mouth to serve the sunlight hits her brace on to the opponents eyes and they are dazzeled.Yeah, but one problem with your theory: this was a night match.

This is not unexpected upset, as some have been saying. Myskina is higher ranked and better right now. It's as simple as that.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:54 AM
Um, that wasn't an upset. Myskina is number 3 in the world and the number one Russian and the reigning French Open Champion. She was supposed to win that match and again showed why she is still the number 1 Russian. Her mixture of consistency with speed and accurate shotmaking is what makes her so good, and until Maria can learn to get a plan B or learn to play differently when things aren't going her way, she will always be the number 2 Russian. Dissapointed in Maria for making so many errors. My gosh, it was a shame. She just kept missing and missing and Myskina just kept getting each ball back. Maria's got some work to do still. This was a good performance by her. She showed that she deserves her ranking. Now her next step is the get into the top 5, but she'll have a lot of improving to do before she can reach that level.

Maria's already top 5 material. You don't win Wimbledon by accident, and she's already been at No 5 in the Champions Race. She has issues with Myskina, and I always knew this would be a tricky match-up for her - especially with all the attacks on her Russianness going on in the background. Everyone loses matches. myskina's lost enough. We'll see if she can win this title.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:56 AM
I didn't see the match. Did you? But it certainly looked like Maria got nerves after playing BETTER to lead 5-2 and 5-3
Sharapova choked the first but was totally out-classed in the second by a nearly perfect Myskina. Anastasia was so comfortable out by the latter half of the match there that she continuously rolled off successful drop shots in a very casual manner. Anyway, Sharapova should not have won this match because she was unable to deal with her period of unforced errors (which are very common for her) or go to Plan B.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:02 AM
:rolleyes:

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:29 AM
I didnt know Yuri played against Nastya! :eek:
No, no, you got it wrong. Maria failed to upset the higher-ranked Nastya when they played. By defeating Maria, Nastya upset Yuri, who was really hoping that his daughter would get the upset by defeating Nastya. The intention of the person who started the thread was perfectly clear to me. ;)

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:34 AM
:lol: I just understood Julian's joke after Leopard's amusing post.

franny
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:41 AM
Maria's already top 5 material. You don't win Wimbledon by accident, and she's already been at No 5 in the Champions Race. She has issues with Myskina, and I always knew this would be a tricky match-up for her - especially with all the attacks on her Russianness going on in the background. Everyone loses matches. myskina's lost enough. We'll see if she can win this title.
Sorry, I love Maria and all, but she is not top five material. Winning Wimbledon was great, but you don't become top five material just by winning one major. Even after Serena won the 99 Open, she was not top five material because she had some major maturing to do. I see the same for Sharapova. I have no doubts of her talents, and I love the girl to death, but to say that Sharapova is top five material after just one Wimbledon is a bit hasty. As of now, she deserves her top ten ranking. But until she cuts down those unforced error and learn to consistently compete with those at the top tournament in and tournament out, I will not consider her top five. Watching her game, you see her weaknesses. Fortunately for us Sharapova fans, her weakness lies in herself and can be easily fixed. It's not something her opponents can exploit, it's something that they must just pray happen. Maria needs to develop plan B's and plan C's. She needs to learn to play those pressure points. She needs to learn to step up against the top players. Wimbledon was great and all, but she needs to prove herself before we can say she's the best in the world or that she is top five material. She's beaten Lindsay once. She's beaten Serena once. She needs to start defeating them more and of course put herself in the position to do so by defeating other top players as well. All in good time my friend, all in good time. It will happen soon, no worries there.:)

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:43 AM
How nice to see a reasonable and logical Sharapova fan on wtaworld. :)

Crazy Canuck
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:54 AM
How nice to see a reasonable and logical Sharapova fan on wtaworld. :)
I can think of two others off the top of my head, though I don't venture in to her forum so I may well have missed the other three ;)

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:03 AM
Sharapova should not have won this match because she was unable to deal with her period of unforced errors (which are very common for her) or go to Plan B.

Very common? Have you looked at the stats of her recent matches? You won't find a lot of UEs in most of them. Maria made unforced errors this match because she was nervous. It was a pressure match with a bogey opponent. Maria on top form would have cruised the first set and taen one of the next two. The reason myskina doesn't get a lot of public praise is that she wins on her opponents making errors. That is why she has a negative head to head against the whole top ten except the Russians.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:10 AM
If you watched Myskina's matches a little bit more in depth than you apparently do, you would see that she does more to win than just wait for opponents' errors. I think eventually she will be appreciated as much as she deserves to be, but it'll take continuously solid results at the major events to get that recognition.

Sure, Sharapova can go through a match against Osterloh or Dulko without any periods of unforced errors. But those opponents have no reason to worry Sharapova and don't have anything to threaten her with. From what I have seen of Sharapova in the past against the toppers, she is a very streaky player with patches of winners that last several games, followed by periods of errors for just as long, and back and forth and back and forth. She's not very steady yet.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:11 AM
I can think of two others off the top of my head, though I don't venture in to her forum so I may well have missed the other three ;)
That many? :eek:

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:13 AM
How nice to see a reasonable and logical Sharapova fan on wtaworld. :)

And I suppose you are the judge of who is "reasonable and logical" based on how much we agree with your expert opinions?

Sorry. I like hard evidence to back up my opinions, and the assembled ranks of Maria-bashers (only too relieved she is now out of the draw) jumping in to condemn her as some sort of flash in the pan after one loss, does not qualify.

Chunchun
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:15 AM
:sobbing:

rada
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:36 AM
gooooo MYSKINA :)

Daniel
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:47 AM
Well done Nastya :D

tenpal101
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:57 AM
Myskina had some very nice words to say about Maria, but I don't think she ment a word she said. I think she is only trying to be nice to her because they are friends and she wants her on the Fed Cup team next year. Maria words where pethetic. Maria was confused in the match.... not a good sign

lolo7
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:06 AM
And to think after she beat Serena at Wimbledon people were talking like she was the second coming.

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:22 AM
There's nothing wrong with using the word "upset" cuz many thought Sharapov would win and therefore I used the term instead of "bitchslapped". And I was one of those who reckoned Maria would pull through. So don't attack me for the selection of the word. Gosh, this board is full of narrowminded ppl.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:29 AM
Dissapointing......the greatest ever really shouldn´t be walking losing to some Myskina. :sad: I guess people meant greatest ever on grass then, no?! :shrug:

lolo7
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:53 AM
Me thinks that Maria got a lucky draw at Wimbledon. When she played against Davenport the rain delays save her from being blown off the court and she played a stiff nervous and frozen Serena during the finals. Serena lost because of nerves.The kid got lucky.

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:07 AM
Me thinks that Maria got a lucky draw at Wimbledon. When she played against Davenport the rain delays save her from being blown off the court and she played a stiff nervous and frozen Serena during the finals. Serena lost because of nerves.The kid got lucky.

The the key word in your post is "Me thinks" Yeah right, she got lucky :rolleyes:

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:09 AM
The only lucky one is Myskina I guess for winning yesterday.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:11 AM
Me thinks that Maria got a lucky draw at Wimbledon. When she played against Davenport the rain delays save her from being blown off the court and she played a stiff nervous and frozen Serena during the finals. Serena lost because of nerves.The kid got lucky.

She wasn't lucky at all, she just outplayed them in every department, pure and simple. The way you see it would mean myskina got lucky last night as well, but sorry I just don't agree with that kind of shit.

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:12 AM
The only lucky one is Myskina I guess for winning yesterday.

Not really. Myskina won fair and square. I have never dougted her talent and everything. She's one of the most underrated players (even after she won the french open. You know her game may not look as brilliant, compelling or apealing as some others but she just does enough to beat everyone.. she's such a smart player. Everyone else would kill to play like her but they are simplay incapable of it.

swiss
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:14 AM
Nastya :worship:

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:15 AM
Not really. Myskina won fair and square. I have never dougted her talent and everything. She's one of the most underrated players (even after she won the french open. You know her game may not look as brilliant, compelling or apealing as some others but she just does enough to beat everyone.. she's such a smart player. Everyone else would kill to play like her but they are simplay incapable of it.


Maybe....but everytime you beat the greatest ever luck enters the equation. since Maria is the greatest ever and Myskina beat her, then it was luck.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:15 AM
Sharapova ALWAYS hits more winners than her opponents but also hits far more unforced errors. Its a shame.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:17 AM
Me thinks that Maria got a lucky draw at Wimbledon. When she played against Davenport the rain delays save her from being blown off the court and she played a stiff nervous and frozen Serena during the finals. Serena lost because of nerves.The kid got lucky.

:lol:

I wondered how long this one would take to appear.

Maria's "lucky draw" was Hantuchova, Myskina/Frazier, Sugiyama, Davenport, Serena. Dead lucky. :tape: You just breeze through a draw like that.

Oh yes, and the rain falls for both players, its the one who copes with it best who wins. That's part of the game. And I don't think most people believe Serena was that nervous until she'd gone down a break.

Yet maria has a nervous game against someone who is recognised as a bugbear of hers, and that's it, she's through... You wish.

iloveazza
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:18 AM
Maybe....but everytime you beat the greatest ever luck enters the equation. since Maria is the greatest ever and Myskina beat her, then it was luck.

You're wrong saying Sharapov is the greatest ever. She may be in the looks department (that's still argurable) but tennis wise, she's behind a bunch of other players and Anastashia has proven to be one of them. I'm a huge Sharapove fan but I'm very happy for Anastasia and if there's anybody I wouldn't mind beating Sharapov, it should be her.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:22 AM
Sharapova ALWAYS hits more winners than her opponents but also hits far more unforced errors. Its a shame.

This is the perennial problem of playing attacking tennis. you have to take riskd. When it comes off, it's spectacular. When it doesn't come off you get ugly UE.

But that's Maria's style and she's worked hard to be good at it most of the time. It's an ongoing process. But I much prefer that style of play to the style of getting the ball back in play and waiting for your opponent to make an error.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM
This is the perennial problem of playing attacking tennis. you have to take riskd. When it comes off, it's spectacular. When it doesn't come off you get ugly UE.

But that's Maria's style and she's worked hard to be good at it most of the time. It's an ongoing process. But I much prefer that style of play to the style of getting the ball back in play and waiting for your opponent to make an error.

The risks certainly worked at wimbledon although she did make more unforced errors and double faults than most of her opposition players.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM
Aaaah....somebody suddenly not liking Myskina´s game. Wonder why´s that?! :scratch: