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Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:34 AM
Congrats and thank you Nastya for making this a quick one, so that I can return to my bed.

Great match! Good luck against Vera!

Martian Willow
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:35 AM
:dance: ...thank you and goodnight... :)

WSfan
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:36 AM
Knew you could do it Anastasia!!! Keep it up!

Mr_Molik
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:36 AM
nastya :woohoo: :aparty: awesome win!! did anyone see the match?

Hayato
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:37 AM
Maria :rolleyes: is this girl over-hyped? all these threads about her!

bad luck Maria :sad:

Andy.
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:38 AM
a sad loss for Maria i really thought she could win this one i hope this will pump her up for her next tournament

switz
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:38 AM
good job from myskina.

congratulations sharapova haters - hope this makes your year

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:38 AM
Maria led 5-2 in set #1, then Nastya reeled off 9 straight games. :)

Myskina has got to be one of the most mentally tough players out there :)

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:38 AM
:dance: ...thank you and goodnight... :)

Thank you and I wish you the same...

Please don´t start to bash on Maria, it would have been the other way around if Myskina has lost this one, so be nice!

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:40 AM
I've no idea what happened. Just have the scoreboard. But it looks as though Maria choked it. Up 5-3 and set point, and then losing the next 7 games.

Dan23
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:40 AM
Yes a very disappointing performance from Maria after leading 5-2 in the 1st set.
But I will take nothing away from Anastasia who played a superb match :clap2:
Nastya is in great form at the moment and I have great respect for her.
She isnt seeded 3 for nothing and will be tough to beat from here.
Good luck Anastasia.

This brings Marias winning streak to an end that stretched from the RG Quarter Finals.
Maria just couldnt maintain the pressure today but theres a lot more tennis coming up for her.

Rgds,
ils

selesfan
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:41 AM
Congrats Anastasia!:bounce:

fammmmedspin
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:41 AM
Maria :rolleyes: is this girl over-hyped? all these threads about her!

bad luck Maria :sad:Nastya is the Russian number one for a reason. Masha is mentally strong, smart, talented and powerful. Myskina is smarter and faster and likes being number 1 Russian. Arguably Myskina is under-hyped.

Famu_lady
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:42 AM
Congrats Myskina!!

tennisIlove09
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:42 AM
Maria was up 5-2 in the first...and blew it

Tennis Fool
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:43 AM
Who does Myskina play in the semis? Is it Dementieva?

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:43 AM
Arguably Myskina is under-hyped.

Try to sell this to the others;)...ok, now I really need to go to bed.

Mrs. Peel
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:43 AM
Nastya is the Russian number one for a reason. Masha is mentally strong, smart, talented and powerful. Myskina is smarter and faster and likes being number 1 Russian. Arguably Myskina is under-hyped.
I agree...she's quietly become a stronger and more deadly player. Very consistant.

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:45 AM
Who does Myskina play in the semis? Is it Dementieva?
Myskina plays Zvonareva
Dementieva faces Davenport

MinnyGophers
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:46 AM
Too bad Maria. Great win for Nastya!
At least, it will show some of Maria's fans that she is not as invincible as they believe she is heh. But she did great, so Kudos to her. She did kinda choke bad though.

Dan23
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:48 AM
I agree that Myskina is under-hyped.
Shes a great player, very hard to overpower because of her speed and ability to return balls.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:48 AM
NASTENKA:hearts: :kiss: :inlove: :hug:
Congrats girl I'm so proud with you
you proved once again who is the Russian#1:angel:
:yeah: :banana: :rolls: :bigclap: :aparty: :bounce:

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:50 AM
I knew it - Sharapova has to pay her dues. She hadn't beaten many top caliber players until Wimbledon this year, and shes going to be beaten by them convincingly now. They will be gunning for her, and she still isnt ready to handle the pressure of everyone playing outside of themselves to beat her.

I think its just like Serena at the USO 1999. Awesome run, but in retrospect, really wasnt ready to be a Grand Slam champ yet.

I knew Myskina would have this one convinvingly. Myskina is too solid a player - She has to be overpowered and left with no answers to be beaten.

Rothes
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:50 AM
Great Win Myskina :)

bigshow21
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:54 AM
:eek: :eek: I am very surprised she lost. :eek: :eek: I thought for sure with all the attention and momentum she has had, she would have won. But you have to lose eventually. Great job by both players!

faboozadoo15
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:54 AM
geez, maria!!! although she didn't really "blow" the set point... myskina hit a great shot, she still should have at least won that first set. she was playing so well up until 5-2... myskina is just such a great retriever and she can really hit the ball well too. it's just inexplicable that maria can't ever get anything going against myskina's serve. but o well.
good one, myskina, make the final now, please.
maria, get your head together and get some more rest.

thelittlestelf
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:58 AM
Great win Myskina!

Atrixo
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:59 AM
I knew Myskina would put up a good fight; but what I didn't expect was for her to slaughter Maria so convincingly! :o

Gotta give Nastya kudos for sticking to her game plan, and doggedly breaking down Maria's. Great match by Nastya! :) But I hope Vera kicks her ass in the SFs, as revenge for Maria's loss here. :devil:

Maria had her chances in this match; she has no excuses. :( You can't win them all I guess. :shrug:

beauty_is_pink
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:01 AM
CONGRATS NASTYA!!! :hug:

who'se the #1 Russian????


YOU ARE GGIRL!!!!!!!!!! :D

MinnyGophers
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:08 AM
I think Nastya really wanted to prove who was Russian #1.
I think Maria still isn't able to handle the pressure that everyone is imposing on her ( duh shes only 17) and she is pretty much walking around with a target on her back.

shnit.
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:10 AM
oo yea!
Congrats Nastya!! :bounce:

LindsayRocks89
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:10 AM
maria definitely blew it, i'm watching the match now, and after the 5/2 lead, she started making a million unforced errors, maria should have won, she was in control, but once again anastasia stayed in the first set and she came back, so congrats to her

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:13 AM
maria definitely blew it, i'm watching the match now, and after the 5/2 lead, she started making a million unforced errors, maria should have won, she was in control, but once again anastasia stayed in the first set and she came back, so congrats to her
Excuses. Myskina drew those errors with her superior play.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:20 AM
maria definitely blew it, i'm watching the match now, and after the 5/2 lead, she started making a million unforced errors, maria should have won, she was in control, but once again anastasia stayed in the first set and she came back, so congrats to her

I thought as much. You don't lose a 5-2 lead without some sort of loss of form.

Jasmin
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:21 AM
Myskina just played better and she is definitely under-hyped. Who's to say that Sharapova is officially better just because she won Wimby. I swear people downplay Myskina and she won a slam just like Maria this season. It's all about looks or they would be hyping up Myskina just the same. I'm not really a fan of either but I appreciate their talent.

Kabezya
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:22 AM
:)

PointBlank
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:24 AM
:)

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:27 AM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040731/i/r1956991804.jpg
French Open (news - web sites) champion Anastasia Myskina (news) (R),of Russia and Wimbledon (news - web sites) champion Maria Sharapova (news) (L), also of Russia, kiss at the net after their quarterfinal match at the Acura Classic in Carlsbad, California, July 30, 2004.

PointBlank
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:28 AM
Myskina has got to be one of the most mentally tough players out there :)
Hah..:rolls:

That was a joke right?

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:29 AM
What more does Myskina have to do to prove herself to some people?

Maria got close, but alas, not enough yet. Svetlana was right. :)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:29 AM
Hah..:rolls:

That was a joke right?

I'm trying to recall bigtime chokes by Myskina. Help me out.

Hant Hant
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:32 AM
Omg Myskina surprises me all the time. She is amazing. I definitely have to give her props for stopping a red hot maria. that's really hard to do right now.

WtaTour4Ever
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:33 AM
Is that the correct score??

Julian
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:35 AM
So Maria loses one match and she's already called over-hyped all over again?? I for one knew that Nastya could win this match with her play to frustrate opponents and definitely cause of her record she has over Maria right now..Maria just had bad luck and Nastya is definitely one of THE most consistent, smart players out there with wonderful anticipation and movement!

wateva
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:38 AM
i dun know how many of those unforced errors are really caused by maria's choking. myskina's game is to draw errors from her opponents. not making spectacular winners from all around the court!

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:46 AM
This is the third beatdown Anastasia has given Maria.
Maybe it will slow down some Maria hype. She's not a steady player.
She has never gotten past the quarters above a Tier III, except on grass.
Maria is far, far away from being Russian #1, forget about world #1.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:49 AM
This is the third beatdown Anastasia has given Maria.
Maybe it will slow down some Maria hype. She's not a steady player.
She has never gotten past the quarters above a Tier III, except on grass.
Maria is far, far away from being Russian #1, forget about world #1.

She's #8. Myskina's higher. It's supposed to be Nastya's match to win.

But hey, remember when Maria won Wimbledon? That seems to elevate her case ...

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:51 AM
When Maria is not on grass, she doesn't have top 10 results.

Jeff
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:52 AM
Yes! Yes! and Yes! http://loydancer.topcities.com/Images/Smiley_Face_Dancing.gif

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:54 AM
When Maria is not on grass, she doesn't have top 10 results.

No, she has top 15 results. But she just won Wimbledon. Nothing that happened before then counts as to her current ability. Her skill curve is off the charts. She's been improving all year, and she'll continue to.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:54 AM
Omg Myskina surprises me all the time. She is amazing. I definitely have to give her props for stopping a red hot maria. that's really hard to do right now.

well.. actually Maria was dominating Myskina even with 20 uneforced errors on the first set... I think ?Myskina must be hapy that Maria was lost in somewher lese again... but she'll be back to take US Open!

rue
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:56 AM
Myskina played a great match despite being broken early in the first set. I think that people have under-estimated her abilities and thought that it was kind of a mistake that she won the French Open. She is a really good tennis player and has got good potential to be world number one some day. Keep up the good work Anastasia.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:59 AM
Hah..:rolls:

That was a joke right?
She may not seem that mentally strong, but just think about how weak so many heads are on the WTA Tour. Most certainly Myskina is the mentally toughest of all the Russians.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:02 AM
Myskina is mentally tough enough to beat down Maria time after time.

I Love Sharapova
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:04 AM
Damn it to hell!!!! :fiery: I just lost twenty dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: Shit.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:06 AM
Why are you betting against Myskina. Sharapova only won 3 games the last time they played.
Maria is not steady. And both of them know it.

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:09 AM
Damn it to hell!!!! :fiery: I just lost twenty dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: Shit.
Well maybe next time you should bet with your head, and nnot your heart.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:09 AM
This is the third beatdown Anastasia has given Maria.
Maybe it will slow down some Maria hype. She's not a steady player.
She has never gotten past the quarters above a Tier III, except on grass.
Maria is far, far away from being Russian #1, forget about world #1.

More boasting and bragging. :rolleyes: It's hardly a beat-down when Maria was leading 5-2 till she got nerves. Nor was the meeting a beat-down where Maria blew Nastya away 6-1 in one set. At 17 Masha has won four Tournaments including the biggest Grand slam. What had Nastya done at that age? Nada. You may not like it that Maria has the potential to go to the very top of the game. And you can sit there gloating that Maria has finally lost a match after a fourteen match winning streak. but its always the way of some people to try to pull down talent.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:15 AM
I think Maria has talent. I'm sick of idiots like you, starting 50 threads about Maria.
Nastya is the Russian #1. She eats Maria for lunch.

I Love Sharapova
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:16 AM
More boasting and bragging. :rolleyes: It's hardly a beat-down when Maria was leading 5-2 till she got nerves. Nor was the meeting a beat-down where Maria blew Nastya away 6-1 in one set. At 17 Masha has won four Tournaments including the biggest Grand slam. What had Nastya done at that age? Nada. You may not like it that Maria has the potential to go to the very top of the game. And you can sit there gloating that Maria has finally lost a match after a fourteen match winning streak. but its always the way of some people to try to pull down talent.
AMEN, BROTHER BEN YOU TELL THEM!!!!!I totally agree with you.WHEWWWW. :clap2: :yeah: :bowdown: Good post!!

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:16 AM
Why are you betting against Myskina. Sharapova only won 3 games the last time they played.
Maria is not steady. And both of them know it.

If Maria isn't steady, then Myskina is a drunken hippopotamus with palsy walking across a tightrope! She's been waxed in so many matches with so many different people you could fill a book.

Lets see if she wins this title shall we?

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:17 AM
I'll tell you who won't win this title.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:17 AM
Unless I confuse you with someone else, weren't you the one saying you would be mad if Myskina would get to number 1? Then surely in your opinion she has to do more to really prove herself.

Yes I was. She's got more to do to prove she's the world's best, I think, but that doesn't mean I don't think she's underappreciated now.

backhanddtl4
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:18 AM
Myskina looks like a mental case out there, but she actually holds her game together well. Even though she bounces her racquet and yells at her couch/self a lot, she is usually able to maintain a medium to high level or play.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:18 AM
Disapointing for Maria :sad:
I guess even the best player has to lose at some stage. no one is invinsible.

Knizzle
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:21 AM
If Maria isn't steady, then Myskina is a drunken hippopotamus with palsy walking across a tightrope! She's been waxed in so many matches with so many different people you could fill a book.

Lets see if she wins this title shall we?
Welcome to our world Doc. :wavey:

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:31 AM
If Maria isn't steady, then Myskina is a drunken hippopotamus with palsy walking across a tightrope! She's been waxed in so many matches with so many different people you could fill a book.

Lets see if she wins this title shall we?
Doc, you really seemed to be a reasonable person. Chill out a bit. gl watched the match, did you? Nastya did what she could but Masha did not. Was the loss contributed more by Masha succumbing to nervousness or by Nastya's brilliant play? You can tell definitely only if you watched the match.

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:33 AM
Very dissapointing...But not a total suprise...All I hope is that Maria learns from this match....Respect voor Anastasya though...

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:34 AM
It was more Maria not playing well -

I'm only 17," said Sharapova, who was visibly subdued and appeared near tears. "When I get to her age, I'll be a lot more experienced player and probably physically stronger. She's been around, she finds a way to win."

Sharapova led 5-2 in the first set when the 23-year-old Myskina reeled off five consecutive games to take the set. Twice in the match, Sharapova was broken on double faults.

"I know there's a lot I can learn from mistakes," she said.

Myskina broke twice to take a 4-0 lead in the second. Sharapova stayed aggressive throughout the 82-minute match, going for shots down the lines that often missed. Sharapova finally held at 4-1 with a 105-mph ace, then broke Myskina on a forehand error.

But Sharapova double-faulted away her service game and Myskina closed out the match with a forehand winner up the line.

"I'm not perfect. There are times you're going to lose," Sharapova said. "A few points I was getting a little frustrated. Her level of play definitely went up."

chris whiteside
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:35 AM
Hoo-bloody-ray. Let's hope we can now have a sense of perspective.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:44 AM
Doc, you really seemed to be a reasonable person. Chill out a bit. gl watched the match, did you? Nastya did what she could but Masha did not. Was the loss contributed more by Masha succumbing to nervousness or by Nastya's brilliant play? You can tell definitely only if you watched the match.

This isn't about whether Maria got a fit of nerves or not. goldenlox was trying to use this one loss to run down Maria by saying she isn't a steady player. That is such absolute bs. its hard to credit - and I decided to illustrate it by pointing out the far greater shortcomings of his own fave in that department. Quite fair and square. If gl wants to gloat over other players off-days, he should be prepared to take the heat himself.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:46 AM
Herself. Should I apologize to Maria, like Nastya?

"I really respect Maria," said Myskina, who was upset about critical comments attributed to her about Sharapova that appeared in Russian media Friday. "It said I didn't respect her as a tennis player. I think she's a great person."

Myskina said she would apologize to Sharapova. The two often practice together.

LindsayRocks89
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:51 AM
it looked like maria was crying as she walked off the court, well i saw the match, and if maria would have kept making the shots she was to get her up 5/2, then she would have won the match, she got shaky and nervous and then the errors started to creep in, myskina was getting alot of balls back at the beginning of the match too, but maria handled it better, so i wouldnt say maria lost because of myskina playing spactacular

Dan23
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:53 AM
Herself. Should I apologize to Maria, like Nastya?

"I really respect Maria," said Myskina, who was upset about critical comments attributed to her about Sharapova that appeared in Russian media Friday. "It said I didn't respect her as a tennis player. I think she's a great person."

Myskina said she would apologize to Sharapova. The two often practice together.
Goldenlox could you please post the entire article you have been quoting here or a link?
Id be interested to read it. :)
Thanks.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:54 AM
By BETH HARRIS, AP Sports Writer

CARLSBAD, Calif. - Anastasia Myskina's savvy paid off in a 7-5, 6-2 victory over the erratic Maria Sharapova in the Acura Classic quarterfinals Friday night that ended Sharapova's 14-match winning streak.





"I'm only 17," said Sharapova, who was visibly subdued and appeared near tears. "When I get to her age, I'll be a lot more experienced player and probably physically stronger. She's been around, she finds a way to win."







Sharapova led 5-2 in the first set when the 23-year-old Myskina reeled off five consecutive games to take the set. Twice in the match, Sharapova was broken on double faults.



"I know there's a lot I can learn from mistakes," she said.



Myskina broke twice to take a 4-0 lead in the second. Sharapova stayed aggressive throughout the 82-minute match, going for shots down the lines that often missed. Sharapova finally held at 4-1 with a 105-mph ace, then broke Myskina on a forehand error.



But Sharapova double-faulted away her service game and Myskina closed out the match with a forehand winner up the line.



"I'm not perfect. There are times you're going to lose," Sharapova said. "A few points I was getting a little frustrated. Her level of play definitely went up."



Sharapova won a Wimbledon (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Wimbledon%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=web-storylinks&p=Wimbledon)) warmup tournament at Birmingham, then surprised Serena Williams in the All England Club final as part of her winning streak. Myskina improved to 3-0 against Sharapova, with all three wins coming this year.



The Russians clasped hands and traded kisses on each cheek at the net.



"I really respect Maria," said Myskina, who was upset about critical comments attributed to her about Sharapova that appeared in Russian media Friday. "It said I didn't respect her as a tennis player. I think she's a great person."



Myskina said she would apologize to Sharapova. The two often practice together.

"I watched her game the last couple of days and that helped me," Myskina said. "I knew I had to move her around. I changed pace against her. I knew if I kept fighting in some games she was going to break."

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:56 AM
gl wasn't trying to run her down. You seem to bit overreacting here. gl says the truth. It's never been a smart decision to attack other players to defend your fave.
...Maria by saying she isn't a steady player...
Is Masha a steady player? In your opinion. Yes or no.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:03 AM
I think Maria is excellent. She still has to improve. Give credit to Anastasia.

kyk710
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:09 AM
Myskina played great to those who are claiming that Maria's bad play was why she lost. I watched the match - and Maria looked like she was going to coast in the first set, then Myskina started playing more aggressively, and getting to shots that would have been winners against other players, and she just hung in there and clawed her way back into the match with some amazing defense. I was really impressed by how calm Myskina stayed - even down 5-2. Whereas in the second set Maria was obviously very frustrated when she was losing, Myskina always seemed to know that she would come back. Myskina played exactly the way she needed to against Maria - she moved her around, got a lot of balls back, and just played really patiently, waiting for the opportunity to go for the winner. You could definitely tell that this frustrated Maria. Maria is a great player, but experience really came through in this one.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:34 AM
gl wasn't trying to run her down. You seem to bit overreacting here. gl says the truth. It's never been a smart decision to attack other players to defend your fave.
Not trying to run Maria down? So what's this?

This is the third beatdown Anastasia has given Maria.

Maybe it will slow down some Maria hype. She's not a steady player.

She has never gotten past the quarters above a Tier III, except on grass.
Maria is far, far away from being Russian #1, forget about world #1.

I'll tell you who won't win this title.

Originally Posted by goldenlox
Why are you betting against Myskina. Sharapova only won 3 games the last time they played.

Maria is not steady. And both of them know it.

Myskina is mentally tough enough to beat down Maria time after time.



Is Masha a steady player? In your opinion. Yes or no.

You have to be a steady player to win a slam, and to win fourteen matches in succession on the tour, and to win titles, often not losing a set. yes.

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:45 AM
Not trying to run Maria down? So what's this?
Mostly she stated facts. She didn't denigrate Masha.


You have to be a steady player to win a slam, and to win fourteen matches in succession on the tour, and to win titles, often not losing a set. yes.
I have to see the match myself, but I'd not say that a steady player allows herself to start making tons of UEs in front of a strong opponent. She had found a way to win against Ai and Davenport but couldn't do it today. I tend to agree with gl.

Daniel
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:49 AM
Well done!!!!! :D

Leo_DFP
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:04 AM
You have to be a steady player to win a slam, and to win fourteen matches in succession on the tour, and to win titles, often not losing a set. yes.
That was grass court tennis. The hard courts are a whole new ball game.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:17 AM
Mostly she stated facts. She didn't denigrate Masha.

Perhaps you didn't read the posts. Or you have a double standard regarding denigrating other players and their achievements. Let's have another look...

Originally Posted by goldenlox
This is the third beatdown Anastasia has given Maria.

This is a fact is it? Were there three "beatdowns"? Is it a beatdown when you are taken to set point in the first set. or when you are wiped out 6-1 in another set? No it is denigration, simple.


Maybe it will slow down some Maria hype. She's not a steady player.

Is Maria all hype? winning 14 matches at a stretch including a slam - that's not "steady" at all is it?


She has never gotten past the quarters above a Tier III, except on grass.

In fact she has won four titles, one of them the No 1 grand Slam in the world, at 17. Oh yes, the statement is factual, in a "he never stole a penny, officer, after half past midnight on Sundays in March" kind of way. Very factual.

Maria is far, far away from being Russian #1, forget about world #1.

Far far away? That would be reaching champions race No 5, World No 8 and Russian No 3, wouldn't it? And most of the world's tennis experts saying its only a matter of time before she makes it to the very top. That really is far far away, isn't it?

Maria is not steady. And both of them know it.

Myskina is mentally tough enough to beat down Maria time after time.

see responses above. You're telling me these posts aren't meant to denigrate Maria? Please. :rolleyes:

I have to see the match myself, but I'd not say that a steady player allows herself to start making tons of UEs in front of a strong opponent. She had found a way to win against Ai and Davenport but couldn't do it today. I tend to agree with gl.

so any player who makes UEs in any match is not a steady player? Then there are no steady players in the WTA.

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:21 AM
That was grass court tennis. The hard courts are a whole new ball game.

Says you. I don't think the ball game is that revolutionarily different. And so far maria has played just three matches on hard courts this summer, one of which she lost. From this you want to write Maria off?

Vass22
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:43 AM
Where are all these people, Maraia's fans and Myskina's haters?! I want to sue them for moral damages for non-sense they have been stuffing my brain with! ;)

Nemesis
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:50 AM
Yay :D Great win, Myskina!! go on and win the tournament, please :D

Too bad for Maria that she couldn't live up to the hype ... But I hope Nastya made a statement that she deserves the attention too ...

BTW: nice contrast by the russians: black (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040731/capt.cash11307310329.carlsbad_cash113.jpg) vs. white (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040731/capt.cash11107310325.carlsbad_cash111.jpg)

t_fan
Jul 31st, 2004, 07:55 AM
Doc, IMHO you're nitpicking and overreacting.


This is a fact is it? Were there three "beatdowns"? Is it a beatdown when you are taken to set point in the first set. or when you are wiped out 6-1 in another set?

Setpoints or no setpoints in the 1st, but to fall 6-2 in the final set may be qualified as a beatdown.

Is Maria all hype? winning 14 matches at a stretch including a slam - that's not "steady" at all is it? ...
so any player who makes UEs in any match is not a steady player? Then there are no steady players in the WTA.

Who said Masha's all hype? You're saying Masha's steady match-wise, I get it that gl refers to steadiness of the play.

In fact she has won four titles, one of them the No 1 grand Slam in the world, at 17. Oh yes, the statement is factual, in a "he never stole a penny, officer, after half past midnight on Sundays in March" kind of way. Very factual.

Please read carefully, Doc. Above Tier III means Tier I & II as well as majors. Masha has 3 Tier III titles and one major which is held on grass. Are you going to deny that?

Far far away? That would be reaching champions race No 5, World No 8 and Russian No 3, wouldn't it? And most of the world's tennis experts saying its only a matter of time before she makes it to the very top. That really is far far away, isn't it?

WTA ranking - Masha has 2386 pts, Nastya has 3720. Is it far or not? It seems that Porsche Champions race is not that important in women tennis than Indesit race of men.

peanuts
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:25 AM
i'm soo happy myskina won!!! wooohoo!!! :bounce:

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:54 AM
Ok, I guess we can say now that Nastya is a player whose biggest effort is it to destroy her opponents game by just getting everything back and just waiting for her opponent´s error or waiting for an opportunity to make a winner herself.

She is the player who tries to frustrate her opponent by this tactic...u know, interestingly a lot of people now seem to see that this is actually a way to win. At the FO (where she played like this in a perfect way) no one respected this way of playing.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:55 AM
Dissapointing.....never expected the greatest ever to lose to MYSKINA of all people. :sad: She´ll be back, I guess.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:57 AM
This was match was all about Maria. Myskina was just there to run balls down.....

Spunky83
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:58 AM
Dissapointing.....never expected the greatest ever to lose to MYSKINA of all people. :sad: She´ll be back, I guess.

I already asked you this...Serena is not the greatest ever? I am disappointed in you;)

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 10:11 AM
I already asked you this...Serena is not the greatest ever? I am disappointed in you;)


;)

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:21 AM
Come on, guys, Nastya is a good player. I seem to recall she beat some good players when she won the FO. Hmmmmmm. *thinks* Yup, I'm pretty sure she beat Venus, Cappy, and Elena D, apart from anyone else. And she has victories against some other good players in the last twelve months IIRC, including the mighty Momo in the final at Moscow last year. Yeah, she can probably play a bit. Maybe she played well against Masha, hmmmm? Losing a match to her might not be that much of a disgrace. ;)

swiss
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:26 AM
Come on, guys, Nastya is a good player. I seem to recall she beat some good players when she won the FO. Hmmmmmm. *thinks* Yup, I'm pretty sure she beat Venus, Cappy, and Elena D, apart from anyone else. And she has victories against some other good players in the last twelve months IIRC, including the mighty Momo in the final at Moscow last year. Yeah, she can probably play a bit. Maybe she played well against Masha, hmmmm? Losing a match to her might not be that much of a disgrace. ;)
:lol: :p :worship:

Nobody's Perfecc
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:30 AM
Nastya showed Maria who the current Czarina of Russian Tennis is. Your time will come yet, young Maria. :)

Doc
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:30 AM
Ok, I guess we can say now that Nastya is a player whose biggest effort is it to destroy her opponents game by just getting everything back and just waiting for her opponent´s error or waiting for an opportunity to make a winner herself.

She is the player who tries to frustrate her opponent by this tactic...u know, interestingly a lot of people now seem to see that this is actually a way to win. At the FO (where she played like this in a perfect way) no one respected this way of playing.

There seems to be a limit on how far players who use those tactics can go. None has ever dominated. The most successful with that style was Sanchez Vicario, but by the time she was challenging Graf, she'd added a lot more attacking play to her style. Otherwise we're left with the Martinez's and Coetzers.

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 11:31 AM
Come on, guys, Nastya is a good player. I seem to recall she beat some good players when she won the FO. Hmmmmmm. *thinks* Yup, I'm pretty sure she beat Venus, Cappy, and Elena D, apart from anyone else. And she has victories against some other good players in the last twelve months IIRC, including the mighty Momo in the final at Moscow last year. Yeah, she can probably play a bit. Maybe she played well against Masha, hmmmm? Losing a match to her might not be that much of a disgrace. ;)


R u kidding?! Greatest ever don´t go around losing to Myskina´s....Mysk just got lucky.

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:02 PM
You toss out Wimbledon, and Maria is not a top 10 player. Last night was like the Suarez match. And like her last 2 matches against Myskina.
Maria is not a steady player, period.
When she's in trouble, she goes for the lines. Against Myskina, you better paint the lines, over and over.
Or play steady.

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:30 PM
I agree with you goldenlox. Maria should really try to improve herself in becoming more steady.
I also saw the Suarez match. If Maria would have played steady, Suarez would have been no match for her.
I just hope she and her coaches will learn from these matches. Luckily, she's only 17 and she has a lot of time working on that...

Crazy_Fool
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:30 PM
Naysta - brilliant!! I can't believe some are saying Maria lost the match, Myskina played a much better match and totally deserved the win.

Volcana
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:36 PM
French Open Champ beats Wimbledon champ.

TonyP
Jul 31st, 2004, 02:38 PM
Myskina is queen of all the Russias!

OUT!
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:24 PM
Yes! Yes! and Yes! http://loydancer.topcities.com/Images/Smiley_Face_Dancing.gifditto!

Well done Myskina!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

raquel
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:27 PM
Well done Nastya. There was a thread here earlier in the week and someone said Nastya is still not a top player. I said they needed a reality check. They said yes on clay, but she won't beat the best on hardcourts. Right now the best on hardcourts is Lindsay. If Lindsay played Nastya today, I would say Lindsay is the favourite. Against anyone else right now, I would say Nastya has as much chance as anyone. She is amazingly underrated even after Roland Garros, and yet she keeps racking up the wins. I like her more with every week.

And the people who are saying this proves Maria is over-hyped are just again underestimating and undervaluing Myskina. I saw a writer pick his top 5 for the US Open - Myskina was not there. He had Mauresmo in his top 5 but not Nastya. Amelie is a brilliant player, but how long now have we been waiting for the next level for Amelie? Here in this event, Amelie loses to Molik and Nastya beats Sharapova and yet people are saying 'What makes her so special?' Whatever it is she deserves at least the same level of respect Amelie gets in the tennis world and on this board, yet I don't think she always does.

shap_half
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:37 PM
Did Maria choke? No. I saw the match and after being down 2-5, Anastasia took completely control of the match and started really playing cleanly.

too bad for Maria because she was playing quite aggressively until Anastasia started growing into the match. Maria must be the most overrated player in the world right now and she got put in her place. I never really bought into her Wimbledon win. If she had to meet Anastasia along the way, she wouldn't have been a GS champion, but you can only play the person across the net from you.

Best of luck to both.

JLDementieva
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:41 PM
Congrats Nastya!!! Show them who's the #1 Russian!!!

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:45 PM
Did Maria choke? No. I saw the match and after being down 2-5, Anastasia took completely control of the match and started really playing cleanly.

too bad for Maria because she was playing quite aggressively until Anastasia started growing into the match. Maria must be the most overrated player in the world right now and she got put in her place. I never really bought into her Wimbledon win. If she had to meet Anastasia along the way, she wouldn't have been a GS champion, but you can only play the person across the net from you.

Best of luck to both.

You are a joke. Maria completely outplayed every opponent in wimbledon. she is one of the most deserving wimbledon champion ever. Myskina has no record on grass, she is only good on other surfaces, thats why she got knocked out so early on. Wimbledon IS the biggest tennis tournament in the world and if you don't think anything of it then there is something wrong with you.

Beat
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:52 PM
She is amazingly underrated even after Roland Garros, and yet she keeps racking up the wins.

totally! i don't understand... but well done, anyway! :D

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:53 PM
Congrats to Myskina:wavey: . Maria, I love you no matter what:kiss: . You'll get her next time:) .

Beat
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:54 PM
Myskina has no record on grass, she is only good on other surfaces

what do you mean, "only"? there are more non-grass-surfaces than grass-surfaces, you silly boy.

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:55 PM
You toss out Wimbledon, and Maria is not a top 10 player. .
toss out Roland Garros, and Dementieva isn't top ten. Toss out RG and Myskina is barely top ten, and still w/o any recognition. You can't take away a grand slam or any other accomplishment that a player has earned.

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:56 PM
what do you mean, "only"? there are more non-grass-surfaces than grass-surfaces, you silly boy.
my guess is that he was referring to goldenlox's ridiculous claim that if Masha had faced Myskina in Wimbledon 4th round, Maria wouldn't have won:lol: :rolleyes: .

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:57 PM
Dementieva reached the finals in Miami. Maria has never made the semis of a Tier I or II.

volta
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:57 PM
congratz. i knew you would win this you´re better that´s why.
congratz Nastya

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:59 PM
You are a joke. Maria completely outplayed every opponent in wimbledon. she is one of the most deserving wimbledon champion ever. Myskina has no record on grass, she is only good on other surfaces, thats why she got knocked out so early on. Wimbledon IS the biggest tennis tournament in the world and if you don't think anything of it then there is something wrong with you.
She outplayed Davenport so much that if Davenport had won the TB in the 2nd set, she would have won the match. Outplayed her is nonsense, and what about Suraez? Every wimbeldon champ is deserving, tell me which aren't?

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:00 PM
what do you mean, "only"? there are more non-grass-surfaces than grass-surfaces, you silly boy.

Ok, take out the "only" then. I have nothing against Myskina at all, she's a good player. I just hate it when people say Maria was "lucky" to win wimbledon, i mean that is bullshit. I don't agree that Myskina was lucky to beat Maria yesterday either, she deserved it.

SharapovaFan16
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:02 PM
a lot of people are acting like Maria wasn't expected to lose. I did! She hasn't played on hard court all year, and Myskina has her number. 0-3 life time. Some tennis players just have other players numbers, and you have to play the match of your life to beat them. Myskina is that player for Maria. Anyways did anyone see the report on ESPN about the match and Maria's post match comments. She was very mature about it, and stated she knew she wasn't going to win every match. You should read it. SHows how much of a matur 17 yr old she is!

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:02 PM
She outplayed Davenport so much that if Davenport had won the TB in the 2nd set, she would have won the match. Outplayed her is nonsense, and what about Suraez?

Too many damn "what if"'. Its just getting more and more ridiculous. I'm talking about wimbledon not RL.

mboyle
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:05 PM
Dementieva reached the finals in Miami. Maria has never made the semis of a Tier I or II.
does it make you feel better to tell everyone that Sharapova is a crap player? If so, why? Are you so lacking in self-confidence that you have to boost your self esteem by taking cheap shots at a girl you don't even know? Dementieva also has a losing record to Angelina Roesch, who hasn't won a WTA match against any other player:wavey: .

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:05 PM
Too many damn "what if"'. Its just getting more and more ridiculous. I'm talking about wimbledon not RL.
I'm not interested in what ifs either, but you are trying to claim she sweeped aside Davenport and Suraez when thats not at all true. In fact Myskina was more convincing with her RG tournament.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:07 PM
I'm not interested in what ifs either, but you are trying to claim she sweeped aside Davenport and Suraez when thats not at all true. In fact Myskina was more convincing with her RG tournament.

She didn't play saurez at wimbledon, this shows you have a very short memory. Well lets just say the better player won with maria v davenport.

SharapovaFan16
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:09 PM
More convincing? They both won the French then Wimbledon. It doesn't matter how the fuck you win? WHy do people keep saying that. The best players are the ones who find ways to win when they aren't playing their best. To say one's championship was more convincing than the other is garbage? People who say that don't understand sports, or don't even watch other sports because they have no clue what they are talking about. A win is a win no matter how obtained! It goes down as a win, not an ugly win or a sloppy win or a lucky win. A Win, a W that's all that matters.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:13 PM
How more convincing victory do you from sharapova? She won 6-1 6-4 against Serena. I think thats not bad at all. You can't expact her to win 6-0 6-0 or something like that. Tell me which match wasn't convincing?

goldenlox
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:14 PM
does it make you feel better to tell everyone that Sharapova is a crap player? If so, why? Are you so lacking in self-confidence that you have to boost your self esteem by taking cheap shots at a girl you don't even know? Dementieva also has a losing record to Angelina Roesch, who hasn't won a WTA match against any other player:wavey: .It makes me feel good to goof on fools like you who've found a new sex fantasy.
And the other horny losers in this thread.

fammmmedspin
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:16 PM
Ok, I guess we can say now that Nastya is a player whose biggest effort is it to destroy her opponents game by just getting everything back and just waiting for her opponent´s error or waiting for an opportunity to make a winner herself.

She is the player who tries to frustrate her opponent by this tactic...u know, interestingly a lot of people now seem to see that this is actually a way to win. At the FO (where she played like this in a perfect way) no one respected this way of playing.
Its not just getting it back. Its repeatedly geting it back and getting it back where they don't expect it to come back and when they don't expect it. Plus the odd rapier shot or net attack.

ASV did pretty well against Graf who could rally all day and ASV I don't think was as fast or as good at strategy or anticipation as Myskina.

Myskina also faces players who tend to miss if forced into a rally. She denies them their game and they can't play hers long enough. They also find that their heads get frazzled as their game is frustrated, The ball does unexpected things, they don't win, confidence goes. Few players can play this game and 2 of them are sick, and Myskina has wins over them anyway. Some players can hit through her but they are mostly sick or their big shots are unreliable. Thats why Myskina, Momo or Davenport is about to become number 1.

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:16 PM
She didn't play saurez at wimbledon, this shows you have a very short memory. Well lets just say the better player won with maria v davenport.
Whoever it was she played in the QF then, can't remember.

I did not say SharapovaFan16, that one is better than the other. What I said was taht Ivan C tried to claim that Maria S was one of the most deserving Wimbeldon champs ever, and what i was trying to say is that Myskina won RG more convincinly and still didn't get any praise apart from it was lucky.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:17 PM
You are a joke. Maria completely outplayed every opponent in wimbledon. she is one of the most deserving wimbledon champion ever. Myskina has no record on grass, she is only good on other surfaces, thats why she got knocked out so early on. Wimbledon IS the biggest tennis tournament in the world and if you don't think anything of it then there is something wrong with you.
And how does it happen that the winner of insignificant RG beats 3 times this year the winner of the huge Wimby?
Well, earlier many people were saying that Nastya has a game only for clay, now they say for other surfaces but grass - big improvement for her
But I don't like the war here, I like Masha and have a lot of respect to her and I think the most of Nastya's fans think the same. They who are insulting and jeering at Masha are her haters, not Myskina's fans. But why do some people always need to depreciate Nastya's merits and achieviments?:fiery:

SharapovaFan16
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:18 PM
more convincingly how? both players myskina and dementieva played like shit in the final. maria if she would have gotten there would have walked over them. she didn't let the pressure get to her in wimbledon. myskina and dementieva did in RG

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:18 PM
Right. Maria is my favourite player, but I certainly have a lot of respect for Anastasya as well....Although I didn't really like all the fuss about Maria not being a "true" Russian and all....But that's off-topic...

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:20 PM
Whoever it was she played in the QF then, can't remember.

I did not say SharapovaFan16, that one is better than the other. What I said was taht Ivan C tried to claim that Maria S was one of the most deserving Wimbeldon champs ever, and what i was trying to say is that Myskina won RG more convincinly and still didn't get any praise apart from it was lucky.

Well, I NEVER said Myskina was lucky. I just said Sharapova is a 100% deserving wimbledon champion, whats wrong with that?

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:20 PM
more convincingly how? both players myskina and dementieva played like shit in the final. maria if she would have gotten there would have walked over them. she didn't let the pressure get to her in wimbledon. myskina and dementieva did in RG
Well Serena played like shit in the final. Same difference, but not too you of course.

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:22 PM
Well, I NEVER said Myskina was lucky. I just said Sharapova is a 100% deserving wimbledon champion, whats wrong with that?
Thats fine, she's just as deserving as anyone else. Btw, I wasn't really saying you said Myskina was lucky, just some others on this board.

SharapovaFan16
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:23 PM
no Serena didn't play like shit, Maria took it to her. She made her play bad. Very different than Serena playing bad herself. Maria beat Serena, Serena didn't beat Serena. Everyone knows that. Dementieva and Myskina was just a big crap load of Unforced Errors horrible tennis!

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:24 PM
Thats fine, she's just as deserving as anyone else. Btw, I wasn't really saying you said Myskina was lucky, just some others on this board.

I think BOTH players deserved their grand slams. :)

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:25 PM
no Serena didn't play like shit, Maria took it to her. She made her play bad. Very different than Serena playing bad herself. Maria beat Serena, Serena didn't beat Serena. Everyone knows that. Dementieva and Myskina was just a big crap load of Unforced Errors horrible tennis!

I agree that the standard of the wimbledon final was SUPERB.

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:25 PM
no Serena didn't play like shit, Maria took it to her. She made her play bad. Very different than Serena playing bad herself. Maria beat Serena, Serena didn't beat Serena. Everyone knows that. Dementieva and Myskina was just a big crap load of Unforced Errors horrible tennis!
Possibly, but i remember Maria winning 2 games in the RG QF, so i don't know why you are so convinced she would have thrashed them. Serena played well below her best, surely?

SharapovaFan16
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:28 PM
she would have trashed them because she would have had better nerves than them!

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:30 PM
she would have trashed them because she would have had better nerves than them!
Yeah, she did that at Wimbeldon but had nerves at RG remember? Myskina deserved her win yesterday anyway, congrats.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:31 PM
no Serena didn't play like shit, Maria took it to her. She made her play bad. Very different than Serena playing bad herself. Maria beat Serena, Serena didn't beat Serena. Everyone knows that. Dementieva and Myskina was just a big crap load of Unforced Errors horrible tennis!
I said i don't want to compare them but if you continue - Serena said that she played 20% in the final, so isn't 20%=big crap. Stop these senseless comparision

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:32 PM
Whats happened has happened. Lets just look forward to hopefully seeing Sharapova kick everyone's ass in the US Open like at wimbledon. :D

justine&coria
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:35 PM
she would have trashed them because she would have had better nerves than them!
if she did that, she would : if she did that, she would !
If Serena played her best at Wimby final, she would have won !

I mean, you can do whatever you want with "ifs" !

In a way, I'm happy Sharapova lost, not because I don't like her (I really like her), but some people were saying that she's the dominant player, while she "only" won Wimbledon (and a tourny before which wasn't very "high").
Some people were saying that she's gonna dominate for years.

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:36 PM
I said i don't want to compare them but if you continue - Serena said that she played 20% in the final, so isn't 20%=big crap. Stop these senseless comparision

I agree that we shouldn't be talking about what could have happened.

PS Serena played at 20% of MARIA's tennis, thats what she meant really.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:37 PM
she would have trashed them because she would have had better nerves than them!
I would say if Nastya had reached the clash with Masha at Wimby Masha would have dream about GS title, but we will never know

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:38 PM
If Serena played her best at Wimby final, she would have won !

Thats bullshit. Maria would have won either way. It was HER day, nothing would have stopped it.

JCF
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:39 PM
I agree that we shouldn't be talking about what could have happened.

PS Serena played at 20% of MARIA's tennis, thats what she meant really.
Thats not what she meant, you obviously don't hear all her excuses after losses.

Nastyafan
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:39 PM
I agree that we shouldn't be talking about what could have happened.

PS Serena played at 20% of MARIA's tennis, thats what she meant really.
noo Serena never compares herself with others, she thinks she is another level

Ivan C
Jul 31st, 2004, 04:42 PM
Thats not what she meant, you obviously don't hear all her excuses after losses.

Not EVERYTHING she says, she means ok. Anyway the truth: She WAS playing at 20% of MARIA's tennis not Serena's.

Heeves23
Jul 31st, 2004, 05:46 PM
Im tired of people saying that Myskina just gets the ball back and players beat themselves. Myskina beats them... it doesn't matter if thats the strategy she uses... obviously its not as easy as it looks because the other players would do that since it works so well. So to me and others that says that she is doing more than just getting it back... she is getting it back to where the other players cant make winners out of it. Myskina is a great player. btw.. Serena and Venus are not what they used to be.. and never will be. So I dont really think Sharapovas win at Wimbledon was more convincing than Nastya's.

SJW
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:14 PM
i thought she would beat her. Nastya is still the best Russian hands down

PointBlank
Jul 31st, 2004, 06:52 PM
She may not seem that mentally strong, but just think about how weak so many heads are on the WTA Tour. Most certainly Myskina is the mentally toughest of all the Russians.
True..shes not the weakest..but not near the top

bandabou
Jul 31st, 2004, 09:51 PM
How dare Maria lose to Myskina?! She made me look bad!!! :fiery: How can I say she´s the greatest ever now?! :sad:

tterb
Aug 1st, 2004, 01:08 AM
A few hilarious things: an ESPN article noted that Sharapova was 'upset' in the quarterfinals by Myskina. How this could be called an upset is beyond me. Anastasia at this point is the more experienced and accomplished hardcourter, not to mention that she's ranked higher.

Also it's funny to me that people would label this a choke. Myskina saved the only set point Sharapova had with an incredible forehand winner down the line. Maria was up one break... that means so little in women's tennis. What I saw was Myskina tighten up her game, and Maria start missing. I don't know why that would be surprising to anyone - Maria goes for the lines on most of her shots. She didn't miss those shots during the grass season, but she's human. She can't hit winners all the time, especially on a hardcourt against a rallier as good as Myskina. I don't think people respect Anastasia's game enough, while at the same time having these completely unrealistic expectations of a young Sharapova.

Last funny thing: How anyone could say either of these players haven't had good results since their slam wins. Hello? :lol: How many events have they played since then? Two for Myskina, one for Sharapova. Myskina lost to a hot Frazier who pushed Sharapova in a tough match at Wimbledon. And the only other result is this tournament. Come on, people!

Vut
Aug 1st, 2004, 03:26 AM
:sad: Masha !!! ... congrats Nastya!

SharapovaFan16
Aug 1st, 2004, 04:09 AM
Both great tennis players. ALso Maria is 17, even I forget that sometimes like everyone else. She isn't going to win everything, and she will be upset by lower ranked players, and beat by her fellow Russians. It will happen. By age 19 I'm guessing she will be #1 if not 20. But not before that, she will win tournaments, probably 1 or 2 if not 3 more grand slams. But no #1 before 19. SHe still has to mature. I'm 17 in ten days, and I'm such an immature boy. It's funny as hell. I couldn't handle everything Maria is going through after winning Wimbledon. She has so much on her plate. Look how skinny she is, she can't eat all of it. Myskina is the better Russian right now, but give Maria till 18 she will be the best Russian, 19 #1 my predictions. I think they are reasonable!

bandabou
Aug 1st, 2004, 07:01 AM
well....we´ll take as just being an accident. I´m sure the next time Maria is gonna bagel Myskina for sure!!

jacobruiz
Aug 1st, 2004, 08:12 AM
A few hilarious things: an ESPN article noted that Sharapova was 'upset' in the quarterfinals by Myskina. How this could be called an upset is beyond me. Anastasia at this point is the more experienced and accomplished hardcourter, not to mention that she's ranked higher.

Also it's funny to me that people would label this a choke. Myskina saved the only set point Sharapova had with an incredible forehand winner down the line. Maria was up one break... that means so little in women's tennis. What I saw was Myskina tighten up her game, and Maria start missing. I don't know why that would be surprising to anyone - Maria goes for the lines on most of her shots. She didn't miss those shots during the grass season, but she's human. She can't hit winners all the time, especially on a hardcourt against a rallier as good as Myskina. I don't think people respect Anastasia's game enough, while at the same time having these completely unrealistic expectations of a young Sharapova.

Last funny thing: How anyone could say either of these players haven't had good results since their slam wins. Hello? :lol: How many events have they played since then? Two for Myskina, one for Sharapova. Myskina lost to a hot Frazier who pushed Sharapova in a tough match at Wimbledon. And the only other result is this tournament. Come on, people!
Thanks for a great post utilizing reason and common sense.:worship: And I say here we are geeks typing into a message board discussing every aspect of these girls' public and private lives as if it was a soap opera while the girls themselves are out there in the real world competing, spending long hours practicing to get better, pushing themselves. They deserve our respect and appreciation, all of them.

SerialKiller#69
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:22 PM
As expected.