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pierce0415
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Williams withdraws from Acura Classic with swelling in left kneeBy BETH HARRIS, AP Sports Writer
July 30, 2004

CARLSBAD, Calif. (AP) -- Serena Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/134/) withdrew from the Acura Classic on Friday because of swelling in her left knee, almost exactly a year after surgery on that knee.

Williams, who hasn't won a tournament since March, was scheduled to play 12th-seeded Vera Zvonareva (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/153/) of Russia in the quarterfinals.

She said her knee began acting up after she chased a drop shot in the first set of her third-round victory over Elena Bovina (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/140/) on Thursday night.

``I said, 'Ooh, that really hurts,''' the top-seeded Williams said. ``I figured it would go away. I really just stopped running the rest of the match. I must have tweaked it somewhere down the line.''

She and older sister Venus are scheduled to play in the Athens Olympics, where tennis begins Aug. 15, and the U.S. Open, which starts Aug. 30.

``I really want to go ahead and go to the Olympics,'' said Serena Williams, scheduled to leave for Athens with the U.S. team Aug. 10. ``I don't want to take that chance and miss out on the Olympics and the U.S. Open.''

She was up until 2 a.m. Friday receiving treatment.

``I was trying to get it calmed down,'' she said.

The WTA Tour injury report classified the injury as a recurrence. On Aug. 1, 2003, Williams had surgery to repair a partial tear in the same knee, then missed eight months.

``It is ironic, huh?'' she said.

Williams returned in March and won her first tournament at Miami, but she hasn't won in seven tournaments since then. She lost to Maria Sharapova (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/403/) in the Wimbledon final July 3 and to Lindsay Davenport (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/93/) in last week's final at Carson.

Williams, 28-5 this year, planned to have an MRI exam in Los Angeles later Friday.

It's been an unlucky few weeks in California for the Williams sisters.

Venus withdrew from the Acura Classic on Tuesday with a sprained right wrist, an injury she got before the semifinals at Carson. She withdrew while trailing Davenport 7-5, 2-0 in that match. A week earlier, Venus lost a riveting three-set final to Davenport at Stanford.

Serena also is entered in next week's tournament in Toronto. Asked why she would risk possible further injury by playing there, she said, ``I think the WTA would hate if I answered honestly.''

Pressed for an explanation, Williams said she was being deliberately vague, but alluded to Tour-imposed fines for players who don't honor their commitments.

``It's hard because you got these things going on and if you don't play, then things can happen,'' she said. ``It's almost as if people don't care that you're really hurt or not. Everything is about making the dollar. I'm trying to make a dollar. That's what it's all about these days.''

Asked whether it would be worse for the Tour for her to miss several weeks instead of skipping one event, Williams said, ``I would think so, but apparently that's not how the money is made.''

Is Williams being forced to play in Toronto?

``I think I should leave on that note because I don't like to lie,'' she said, smiling.

Williams appeared on court in tight hot pink Capri pants, a white T-shirt and a white headband to tell the crowd she couldn't play. She was making her first singles appearance at the tournament that Venus won from 2000-02.

``I'll give you the dramatic version as I'm an actress,'' Serena said before launching into an account of how she ran at top speed (``probably 20 miles an hour'') and lunged for the drop shot. ``It's been a hard 12 months for me, but I'm really on the comeback,'' she told the crowd. ``I'm so sorry. I promise to be here next year in the finals.''

pierce0415
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:17 PM
I guess Serena will go to Montreal, do media relations and probably pull out right before her 2nd round match

lizchris
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:17 PM
I saw this article on AOL. Since Maria has entered, if she has to play Montreal, then that means Jennifer may have pulled out.

I really hope Venus can play this event instead.

Venus Forever
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:19 PM
I bet you she's being forced by the WTA tour to stay in the tournament for as long as she could, knowing very well that she will withdraw.

Stupid WTA, messing with the damn fans.

SJW
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:21 PM
cool canuck, to be honest, i don't know why you read anything to do with serena. all you do is overanalyse and bitch about her :)

bandabou
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Hmmm....ironic that almost on the same date of her surgery she gets injured again.

saki
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:23 PM
I think she should just pay the fine, personally. Thus protesting against the WTA rather than going along with it.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:25 PM
Like she did 2 times already :tape:
You are such a cold hearted prick...fuck off and go get a fucking life...you mean spirited bastard...:fiery:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I think she should just pay the fine, personally. Thus protesting against the WTA rather than going along with it.It's easy to just dip into your pocket and pay and let it go away...it's much harder to take a tough position and fight back...The Williams Sisters are not into doing things the easy way...Someone needs to stick it to the WTA and get them to stop putting these young women's bodies at risk...:rolleyes:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Sorry but how was it mean? I just posted a fact. She did it in 99, and in 2002 I think. I'm not blaming her, just pointing out the fact it happened already 2 times at this particular tournement.
Yeah...Piss on my head and fucking tell me it's raining...You are the only fool here...reload and come again...:rolleyes:

bandabou
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:33 PM
But if there´s talk of swelling on the knee and the tour-doctor threated this, then I don´t know why the wta can force Serena to play Canada?! The injury seems obvious, no?! :shrug:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Ok, whatever. You're obviously very paranoid. I said like one zillion time that the WTA is full of it. If you take it as a personal attack to Serena, you're an hopeless oversensitive queen, so go away, thanks.

:haha: :haha: What is it they say about "POT, KETTLE...BLACK" :scratch:

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:38 PM
I dont think they can actually "force" her to play.
I mean, i do want to see her in Canadian Open, but not like this.
However, being #2 GE players do have its obligation that she has to fulfill.
I think WTA will understand if Serena has an injury, and will only force her if they think she is fine playing.

volta
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:40 PM
WTA sometimes suck they don´t give a f*** about the players all they want is get money

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:41 PM
i guess now we know why the williams sisters wait to the last second to pull out... talk to the wta.

sexy ella
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:43 PM
cool canuck, to be honest, i don't know why you read anything to do with serena. all you do is overanalyse and bitch about her :)

its called obsession :o ...'m not the biggest fan of Venus and Serena but I have noticed the losers that always talk about them in every thread. I don't think they realize how dumb they look. I appreciate the crazy Williams fans more than the Williams haters because the williams fans do something positive by actually rooting on a player instead of tearing them down. :rolleyes:

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:45 PM
So I pointed out the fact that it happened 3 times with Serena at this particular tournement, the Canadian Open.

Serena has to be willing to come too. She is not Venus, she plays Tier I events if she wants too. Not to mention it's obvious she enjoys Canadian Open too. Maybe she is obligated to commit to this event, but please, there is not need to say as if she disgusts Canadian Open, thx:).

wongqks
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:45 PM
i think this rule is stupid if it is true, and for the first time I support Serena on this injury matter.

If she is injured, let her rest. However, Serena should also go to Toronto and do some pr work for a day or two. also the other player should have the obligation to fill in if that happen. In this case, I think Maria did which I think is great.

But the way Maria announced to enter the field, I have a bad feeling that jennifer has already pulled out :o

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:47 PM
i think this rule is stupid if it is true, and for the first time I support Serena on this injury matter.

If she is injured, let her rest. But the other player should feel the obligation to fill in if that happen. In this case, I think Maria did which I think is great.

But the way Maria announced to enter the field, I have a bad feeling that jennifer has already pulled out :o
Could be, either Serena or Jennifer has to play to keep 1 top 3 GE player in the draw.
But with Maria, I think WTA might just let them go this time since she is a big draw:).
I'm pretty happy we didnt have to pay the appearance fee for her, lol:D.
Good luck Maria:).

Helen Lawson
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Serena's powerful enough to tell the WTA to fuck off. She needs to say, "I'm injured and I'm not playing Montreal. Try to fine me. I dare you." Maybe they just retain some year end bonus money for making commitments that she doesn't want to lose, that sounds a little more reasonable.

I made unilateral threats and acted nuts to loads of directors and studio heads in the '50s because I was Big Box Office Star. They needed me, so they put up with me.

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Sorry, but when did I say that she disgusts the Canadian Open?

I posted a fact, that she withdrew 2 times in the past in this particular tournement after the draw was made.

Do I blame her? No. Did I say she's not willing to come here. No?

Some of you need to learn how to read.
Yeah, I know, but it just sounds like she doesnt want to play Montreal.
And I'm not saying you are blaming her, anyways, let's just hope she plays.

saki
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:51 PM
It's easy to just dip into your pocket and pay and let it go away...it's much harder to take a tough position and fight back...The Williams Sisters are not into doing things the easy way...Someone needs to stick it to the WTA and get them to stop putting these young women's bodies at risk...:rolleyes:
How is this taking a tough position? She says she's going to have to play. That's giving in, that's not standing up for herself. She doesn't even outright say that she's being forced into it.

PointBlank
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:52 PM
Go. Play point. Withdraw. Viva.

Atrixo
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:54 PM
i think this rule is stupid if it is true, and for the first time I support Serena on this injury matter.

If she is injured, let her rest. However, Serena should also go to Toronto and do some pr work for a day or two. also the other player should have the obligation to fill in if that happen. In this case, I think Maria did which I think is great.

But the way Maria announced to enter the field, I have a bad feeling that jennifer has already pulled out :o

I really don't see what the problem is with the GE rules. This was a tournament she had committed to; and as a player on the GE list, it's an obligation. There are clearly defined consequences if a player should fail to live up to their obligations. I understand that Serena sustained an injury (how serious?), and that might warrant some mitigating action. But, she has indicated that she wants to prepare for the Olympics during the time she would have been playing in Montreal. The fact that she's prioritizing like this, makes me lose any compassion I have for her; and it shows that the injury she suffered isn't debilitating. She doesn't want to play in Montreal? Fine, just pay the damn fine then and get it over with. Money really isn't a question here. :(

Filip!
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Already a lot of topplayers are ruined by the WTA... It's time for a change!

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Serena's powerful enough to tell the WTA to fuck off. She needs to say, "I'm injured and I'm not playing Montreal. Try to fine me. I dare you." Maybe they just retain some year end bonus money for making commitments that she doesn't want to lose, that sounds a little more reasonable.

I made unilateral threats and acted nuts to loads of directors and studio heads in the '50s because I was Big Box Office Star. They needed me, so they put up with me.
Since the arrival of Maria, I think Serena has lost some of its power.
I think even Maria's participation is partially due to WTA's decision.
So I think WTA might let Serena pass on this one since Maria has agreed to come.

Conchi Party
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:56 PM
All this whining about the WTA is a bit too much. Players know that it is about the money, god knows they make enough. In Serena's case you got to give her the benefit of the doubt, she's injured and shouldn't play. However it harkins back to the stupidity of almost all the top players that withdraw with fake injuries and illnesses.

The Gold Exempt status is a priviledge that you get, and if you can't fulfill it, then you shouldn't get the money. I'm a socialist, I am not trying to justify the sometimes ill-advised rules of the WTA, however these players agreed to the rules stipulated.

If Serena were true to her word, she would take the fine and get well, goodness knows she can financially afford it.

lizchris
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:56 PM
Since the arrival of Maria, I think Serena has lost some of its power.
I think even Maria's participation is partially due to WTA's decision.
So I think WTA might let Serena pass on this one since Maria has agreed to come.
Apparently she still has some if they are forcing her to play.

I just wish Venus would enter if she is OK and this speculation will stop one and for all.

Atrixo
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Could be, either Serena or Jennifer has to play to keep 1 top 3 GE player in the draw.
But with Maria, I think WTA might just let them go this time since she is a big draw:).
I'm pretty happy we didnt have to pay the appearance fee for her, lol:D.
Good luck Maria:).

Maria entered by WC though, does that count towardes the GE requirement? If Serena withdraws, Jennifer is still on the hook to be obligated to play.

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:59 PM
Ya, I think so, but she is playing so many low tier events in Asia later, she has to make up somehow. But she is not one of the 5 top 3 GE players anyways, so she is not hard assigned, it's more likely to be a WTA suggestion.

Helen Lawson
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:00 PM
Since the arrival of Maria, I think Serena has lost some of its power.
I think even Maria's participation is partially due to WTA's decision.
So I think WTA might let Serena pass on this one since Maria has agreed to come.
Serena's not a has-been yet. She's many, many years away from having to do Lifetime TV movies, roadshows, and Playtex endorsements.

Personally, I think what Serena is saying is that if she pulls out of Montreal, her year-end bonus money is reduced because she didn't make all her commitments, that doesn't sound unreasonable by the WTA, it's not really a "fine," it's a bonus for playing when you have signed up. It's "free money" and you either play when you've said you would or not, it's not really a punishment for being injured.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:00 PM
Im sure she can afford whatever fine they give her. She should withdraw, recuperate, then get ready for her next tournament.

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:03 PM
Serena's not a has-been yet. She's many, many years away from having to do Lifetime TV movies, roadshows, and Playtex endorsements.

Personally, I think what Serena is saying is that if she pulls out of Montreal, her year-end bonus money is reduced because she didn't make all her commitments, that doesn't sound unreasonable by the WTA, it's not really a "fine," it's a bonus for playing when you have signed up. It's "free money" and you either play when you've said you would or not, it's not really a punishment for being injured.
I dont think it's the bonus she is talking about, she is rich enough. It's more likely to be a fine for not fulfilling obligation. But she is injured, I dont think there is any thing that talks about GE player being injured in the rule, which could be unfair to Serena. But all these are speculations of what Serena said. We might all be wrong since only Serena knows. Let's just hope she shows up, because she wants to......

vw43
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:03 PM
Exactly. Pay the fine and move on. I do think it's kind of sketchy that players should be fined for being injured but I understand the idea of trying to make sure the players fulfill their commitments and aren't blowing off lesser tournaments to prepare or play in more desirable/financially rewarding tournaments. So it's a strange spot. Serena should just pay the fine and send the WTA a postcard from Athens..;)

JennyS
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:05 PM
The WTA is run by a bunch of morons. They want to get whatever they can out of the players now without considering the player's long term health. Would they rather their top players play till they drop now and retire early? Or would they like to see the players go as long as possible?

Helen Lawson
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:06 PM
I dont think it's the bonus she is talking about, she is rich enough. It's more likely to be a fine for not fulfilling obligation. But she is injured, I dont think there is any thing that talks about GE player being injured in the rule, which could be unfair to Serena. But all these are speculations of what Serena said. We might all be wrong since only Serena knows. Let's just hope she shows up, because she wants to......
I think it's scandalous if the WTA is going to impose fines for someone withdrawing who is injured unless they have SOLID proof it's made up. I don't have any problem with the WTA reducing bonus pool money if commitments aren't made, even if it's because of injury. If you make the commitments, you get the bonus, simple as that.

Martian Willow
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:08 PM
You are such a cold hearted prick...fuck off and go get a fucking life...you mean spirited bastard...:fiery:

...this from a poster with "THOSE WHO CAN, PLAY TENNIS...THOSE WHO CAN'T, COMMENTATE" in his signature... :rolleyes:

Atrixo
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:08 PM
The WTA is run by a bunch of morons. They want to get whatever they can out of the players now without considering the player's long term health. Would they rather their top players play till they drop now and retire early? Or would they like to see the players go as long as possible?

But Serena has indicated that she's playing the Olympics in two weeks time. If Serena cared about her long-term health, she wouldn't even been playing at the Olympics if this injury is so serious. The fact that she's physically able to play, indicates that this is a case of Serena placing her own personal priorities over the rules. I'm sorry, but the WTA has every right in this situation to fine her. :(

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:11 PM
But Serena has indicated that she's playing the Olympics in two weeks time. If Serena cared about her long-term health, she wouldn't even been playing at the Olympics if this injury is so serious. The fact that she's physically able to play, indicates that this is a case of Serena placing her own personal priorities over the rules. I'm sorry, but the WTA has every right in this situation to fine her. :(
well considering she hasnt even had a mri yet dont you think your jumping to conclusions? It may turn out she will have to miss the rest of the season. You just never know until the tests are done.

also Im sure the issue isnt about money its the principle that she's hurt and they're trying to force her to play. Maybe all she needs is two or three weeks rest, again who knows until the tests are done.

Martian Willow
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:17 PM
No Withdrawal Fines: Gold Exempt Players will not be subject to withdrawal fines for withdrawing from Tour events. Instead they will receive deductions in their Bonus Pool Money as outlined in Bonus Pool Rules.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=4293

:)

anton
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Serena should withdraw...

Hant Hant
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:19 PM
omg damnit, why are people getting injured again. WTA, stop hurting your players!!!!

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:19 PM
No Withdrawal Fines: Gold Exempt Players will not be subject to withdrawal fines for withdrawing from Tour events. Instead they will receive deductions in their Bonus Pool Money as outlined in Bonus Pool Rules.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=4293

:)
Right
"A Gold Exempt Player forfeits all rights to any Bonus Pool money if she refuses to accept a Hard Designation."
All rights, that sounds harsh.
However, Serena could be fined due to late withdrawal. And Justine was almost fined by playing 12 tournaments a year. But let's see first if Serena is playing Montreal. If she does play hopefully, then WTA will have its wish.

Brαm
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Didn't Carlos Rodriguez, Justine's coach, talk about this a long time ago? And then some people called him annoying, attention-seeker etc.

lizchris
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:22 PM
But Serena has indicated that she's playing the Olympics in two weeks time. If Serena cared about her long-term health, she wouldn't even been playing at the Olympics if this injury is so serious. The fact that she's physically able to play, indicates that this is a case of Serena placing her own personal priorities over the rules. I'm sorry, but the WTA has every right in this situation to fine her. :(
I don't think she is playing every day and that is why she believes the two week rest will give her time to recuperate.

Sanneriet
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:26 PM
If Serena is going to bring this up in a press conference, she should just speak her mind, instead of dropping hints. Simply say something like "I think it is unfair to lose part of the bonus pool money because I am injured" or whatever the true situation is. If she is not willing or able to be publically forthright, then she should use her influence behind the scenes.

cynicole
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:38 PM
No Withdrawal Fines: Gold Exempt Players will not be subject to withdrawal fines for withdrawing from Tour events. Instead they will receive deductions in their Bonus Pool Money as outlined in Bonus Pool Rules.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=4293

:)
That's old.

I can't find the article about the Tour Championships fines (which are HUGE) but there was this from last year from the Associated Press:


Sept. 6, 2003

Solid commitments

Starting next season, the WTA Tour is going to hold players more accountable for the tournaments to which they commit -- that means withdrawing from an event for a reason other than injury will be more difficult. In addition, more top players will be required to play key tournaments in an effort to improve player fields at certain tour stops.

cynicole
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:43 PM
also Im sure the issue isnt about money its the principle that she's hurt and they're trying to force her to play
Serena has so much money that most likely whatever the WTA comes up with won't hurt her in any way. Also, I think she's the only player who's ever had Gold Exempt prize money reduction for not playing enough tournaments (back in 2001).

I just don't understand how they think keeping players on the entry lists for tournaments until the last minute when they know full well that they won't play helps the tournaments. I mean, sure, that year you'll have higher attendance because people thinking they'll see [X] star will buy tickets...

...but if I bought a ticket just to see a star and then get shafted, I'd be less inclined to buy a ticket the next year.

craigsf2000
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:44 PM
Tennis is simply a means to and end for the W's. History will be the judge.

DeDe4925
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:47 PM
cool canuck, to be honest, i don't know why you read anything to do with serena. all you do is overanalyse and bitch about her :)
Ain't that the truth. :rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:50 PM
Tennis is simply a means to and end for the W's. History will be the judge.
That's all it is for all players...at least the ones that plan to have a future outside of tennis ...you know like when you're too old to continue on tour?

Black Mamba.
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:56 PM
If they truly are forcing players to play they need to stop complaining about injuries on the tour than, you can't have it both ways and if Serena were to retire tommorrow you can't possibly tell me she wouldn't be missed or remembered as a great player.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:01 PM
If they truly are forcing players to play they need to stop complaining about injuries on the tour than, you can't have it both ways and if Serena were to retire tommorrow you can't possibly tell me she would be missed or remembered as a great player.
You're right winning four consecutive slams wouldn't be enough....that said there aren't any players in the top ten who'd be remembered or heralded as a great player.

Black Mamba.
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:04 PM
You're right winning four consecutive slams wouldn't be enough....that said there aren't any players in the top ten who'd be remembered or heralded as a great player.


I forgot that I didn't put nt to make it wouldn't.

tterb
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:31 PM
If all the WTA is doing is taking away bonus money for Gold Exempt players not keeping commitments, I don't see what the big deal is. It's a bit shady since Serena is injured, but then again, it's not like she needs the extra money. ;)

If the WTA is asking Serena to stay on the entry list despite her injury, however, that's just stupid. All it does is screw over the fans. And once they've been screwed over once, how is a fan supposed to be sure enough of seeing their favorites to buy tickets in the future? Obviously nobody knows yet how serious Serena's injury is, so maybe the WTA just wants her to be absolutely sure she can't play before withdrawing from the Canadian Open. That's reasonable... But if it becomes a 100% certainty that Serena can't or shouldn't play, there shouldn't be any beating around the bush - maybe Serena could go to Toronto to do some PR, but no way should she be promoted as though she is playing if she clearly can't.

If however, Serena knows she can't play and goes there and retires from her first match solely in order to fulfill her committment and thus keep her Gold Exempt bonus money, that's not cool either.

The whole situation seems like a mess. But in my opinion, Serena should be absolutely sure she can't play before withdrawing. If the injury requires time to heal though, then she should withdraw from the tournament before play starts, regardless of what the WTA thinks. That would be in her best interests, so she avoids playing injured, as well as interests of the fans, who would be buying tickets to see a healthy Serena play. If she takes a cut in her bonus money, so be it... At least she'd be sending the right message.

VW#1
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:50 PM
I believe the WTA takes this stance because they have to pay the tournament an x amount of dollars if they do not have one of the GE players the tour has promised. I think it was 2002 where the tour had to play IndianWells money because neither Williams Sister or Capriati entered the tournament. So it's not like the WTA is doing it to be mean, it's business and the players need to support the tour, just as the tour and the powers that be need to support them.

tterb
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:59 PM
That makes perfect sense, VW#1. It is business, after all... I would think that a tournament would think about the future, though. If fans expect to see a big name, and the star pulls out in her first match, I don't think that will make many fans too enthusiastic about coming back next year. (Especially if they figure out the star sustained the injury before the tourney :scared: )

But the tournaments do need money to survive, and the WTA and players need the tournaments as well. So I guess you do what you have to do.

CJK
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:02 PM
I believe the WTA takes this stance because they have to pay the tournament an x amount of dollars if they do not have one of the GE players the tour has promised. I think it was 2002 where the tour had to play IndianWells money because neither Williams Sister or Capriati entered the tournament. So it's not like the WTA is doing it to be mean, it's business and the players need to support the tour, just as the tour and the powers that be need to support them.
Cant agree more, and this is said by a fan of Serena's sister. There is no need to play a victim. I mean, Serena has been a GE player for many years. She knows what she is into. And this is not the first year she is not fulfilling her obligations. Dont try to make WTA look like the evil organization. You know the tournaments have to make money. If you dont want to play, come out and say, "I have to withdraw because I'm injured." Not "I have to play because WTA made me but I'm hurt." If you are injured, WTA will understand if you withdraw, but play by their rule and dont complain. I think it's great Serena's coming, but after she shows that she does not want to play Montreal in the first place, it's already putting me off.

kyk710
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:32 PM
I really don't see what the problem is with the GE rules. This was a tournament she had committed to; and as a player on the GE list, it's an obligation. There are clearly defined consequences if a player should fail to live up to their obligations. I understand that Serena sustained an injury (how serious?), and that might warrant some mitigating action. But, she has indicated that she wants to prepare for the Olympics during the time she would have been playing in Montreal. The fact that she's prioritizing like this, makes me lose any compassion I have for her; and it shows that the injury she suffered isn't debilitating. She doesn't want to play in Montreal? Fine, just pay the damn fine then and get it over with. Money really isn't a question here. :(
I think you're confused. Serena wants to make sure that she gets to rest her knee for the Olympics and US Open. I'm sure you would agree that playing another tournament right after reinjuring herself would not be a good idea for Serena. I'm also sure that we can all agree that the Montreal tourney isn't as important as the Olympics or the US Open. I don't understand why Serena wanting to rest her knee "shows that the injury isn't debilitating". However it does show that she is smart in not wanting to risk a worse injury, and another 8 month absence from tennis.

fammmmedspin
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:39 PM
if she is injured there is no problem not playing.

if she is injured this week and not next week or this week and next week but not the week after, fining her is no solution. Someone needs to find out what this injury is that comes and goes so fast. If its one that comes and goes fine. If it is not a real injury something needs to be done. If its a serious injury she should withdraw from the olympics in time for someone else to go.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:41 PM
if she is injured there is no problem not playing.

if she is injured this week and not next week or this week and next week but not the week after, fining her is no solution. Someone needs to find out what this injury is that comes and goes so fast. If its one that comes and goes fine. If it is not a real injury something needs to be done. If its a serious injury she should withdraw from the olympics in time for someone else to go.

STFU

canoe.
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:15 AM
Serena also is entered in next week's tournament in Toronto. :lol: I'm constantly amazed at lazy journalists.She mentions Toronto twice.For Christ sake,look it up.

Stamp Paid
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:20 AM
Ok, whatever. You're obviously very paranoid. I said like one zillion time that the WTA is full of it. If you take it as a personal attack to Serena, you're an hopeless oversensitive queen, so go away, thanks.
Talk about hopeless oversensitive queens, how many times did you bad rep me in the gay marriage thread? http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

You pathetic prick.

jojoseph
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:22 AM
Can someone that was there last night agree with me that there were no noticable problems with her last night? This is bs if she had to pull out cause of problems with the WTA putting pressure on her and ish.

Hawk
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:11 AM
I believe the WTA takes this stance because they have to pay the tournament an x amount of dollars if they do not have one of the GE players the tour has promised. I think it was 2002 where the tour had to play IndianWells money because neither Williams Sister or Capriati entered the tournament. So it's not like the WTA is doing it to be mean, it's business and the players need to support the tour, just as the tour and the powers that be need to support them.
I agree.

The Wta tour is a business and the players are the product. A lot of players have been getting away with committing to a tournament and then pulling out with little consequence..this totally screws the tournaments, which are paying the players good money. I think the wta has every right to crack down, especially since they're losing money as well when this sort of thing happens.

Allaster (who is the tournie director for Toronto) was totally pissed off last year..she had 9 of the top 10 on the commitment list and ended up without 3 big name players..Venus, Serena and Jen. She was especially upset with Cappy..but that's another story :p

Bottom line is Tier I tournie's especially put up big money to get big names so the wta saying you need to play these tournies isn't demanding a whole lot.

esquímaux
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:27 AM
Err, she's not forced to play Montreal, it's just that she may face a fine if she withdraws.

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Paneru
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:27 AM
I believe the WTA takes this stance because they have to pay the tournament an x amount of dollars if they do not have one of the GE players the tour has promised. I think it was 2002 where the tour had to play IndianWells money because neither Williams Sister or Capriati entered the tournament. So it's not like the WTA is doing it to be mean, it's business and the players need to support the tour, just as the tour and the powers that be need to support them.

Then I'd tell their ass's to shut up and tell the
truth when constantly being asked why everyone
is always so injured.

I don't care what business their running, the bottomline
is that if you have no stars to play because they're all injured
then you've simply fucked yourself over for trying to force them
to play while injured!

All the girls on tour health comes before anything!

I assure you if Serena is still hurt or is in jeopardy of
hurting anything in Canada, she won't be playing!
Richard will see to that! :cool: