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Lemonskin.
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:51 AM
So there's been a bit of nastiness between the Russian players... Myskina and Dementieva (rather cattily i think) have lashed out, proclaiming that Maria is not Russian, but American. See the below article.


Sharapova hits back in nationality row

Maria Sharapova raced into the quarter-finals of the $1.3 million Acura Classic with a 6-0, 6-1 drubbing of Argentina's Gisela Dulko on Thursday before turning her attention to the WTA Tour's hottest topic.

Fellow countrywoman Elena Dementieva has said that Sharapova is "not really Russian" while French Open champion Anastasia Myskina joined the debate by suggesting the Wimbledon winner's mentality was American.

Myskina also cast doubts on whether Sharapova had ever been back to her homeland since moving to the United States at the age of seven for tennis coaching.

The comments by Myskina, 23, should serve to add extra spice to her all-Russian clash with Sharapova, 17, on Friday.

"We've had totally different ways of growing up and developing our careers," Sharapova told reporters. "Even though I train in America, I'm still Russian.

"That's where I come from. No one is going to tell me where I'm from because I know where I'm from.

RIGHT DECISION

"Just because I made the decision to develop my tennis somewhere else...I think I made the right decision."

Despite her comments, Myskina said she would welcome Sharapova in the Russian Fed Cup team next year.

Myskina added that the teenager spoke Russian "pretty well" for someone who had spent most of her life in the U.S.

"Maria has lived in the United States and she's more comfortable in English than she is in Russian," Myskina said.

"But if she wants to play Fed Cup next year, why not? We want to have all the good players because it's easier to win matches."

Sharapova feels comfortable living in the U.S. but says she has not adopted the country that she lives in.

"I don't feel American at all," Sharapova said. "I feel this is part of my job.

"I came to the United States because of my tennis...I moved here because of my tennis, not for anything else."

... what do you think? Russian or American? She's lived more of her life in America than Russia. I have not idea what her passport says she is. I like to think of her as Russian anyway.

Ivan C
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:54 AM
She is at least 100% Russian through and through.
Which ever russian said bad things about her is because they are sore losers.

Frank
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:20 AM
Come on! There's already a thread about this in the general section. And there's just no discussion possible reading the following quotes from Masha herself:

"We've had totally different ways of growing up and developing our careers. Even though I train in America, I'm still Russian.
That's where I come from. No one is going to tell me where I'm from because I know where I'm from."

"I don't feel American at all, I feel this is part of my job. I came to the United States because of my tennis...I moved here because of my tennis, not for anything else."

Andy Mac
Jul 30th, 2004, 02:49 PM
i agree with her because i am similar to her nationality problem lol.....im an immigrant from britain...been living in canada for over 3 years now and im still brittish..

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Come on! There's already a thread about this in the general section. And there's just no discussion possible reading the following quotes from Masha herself:

"We've had totally different ways of growing up and developing our careers. Even though I train in America, I'm still Russian.
That's where I come from. No one is going to tell me where I'm from because I know where I'm from."

"I don't feel American at all, I feel this is part of my job. I came to the United States because of my tennis...I moved here because of my tennis, not for anything else."

Sounds like if we have been abused....

Frank
Jul 30th, 2004, 04:55 PM
Sounds like if we have been abused....
Do you mean Masha abused Americans??

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Do you mean Masha abused Americans??

It is just a joke, but yes... that commentary sounds like that... Though I don't care! I like her abusing us and getting all those benefits...

Frank
Jul 30th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Oh well. You know what they say: The world is a global village.........

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 05:58 PM
anyways... MAria is about 50% american either she wants it or not...

Frank
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:07 PM
anyways... MAria is about 50% american either she wants it or not...
Hmmm.... I don't agree. You are what you feel. If Masha feels 100% Russian than she is 100% Russian.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:09 PM
Yet she had to customize herself to live in America, also she has living her so many years, that the american culture has influenced in her life, even htough she keeps saying she is Russian.

Frank
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:11 PM
American culture has influenced her life, that's for sure. Yet, I believe that you are what you feel...

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:55 PM
American culture has influenced her life, that's for sure. Yet, I believe that you are what you feel...

Remeber that there are some things thta you are conscious of.. and some others that you are not.. that is why in ennegrams they tell you both your conscious and subconcious analyzation...

deckham
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:57 PM
She is russian.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 07:07 PM
She is russian.


True... but we are talking about psycholigically and emotionally... not nationality

altemix
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Maria is russian 100%. Even more because she says that about herself. And she knows it better than anyone. I'm saying that because I very well know this situation. Here in Latvia, 60% of pupulation are latvians, but about 40% or a bit less are russians. And do try to say to any russian who lives here maybe all life that he or she is not true russian. I advice not to ask this question at all. I am a latvian but I have russian blood also as my grandfather is russian. He arrived to Latvia about 40 years ago and still know and feels like russian.

I can mention one more example. Our former neighbors departed to US for living about 10 years ago. And month ago they visited Latvia for two weaks and they still are russians. Of course they know english well, works etc. but still are russians. Another example. Our president Vaira Vike-Freiberga is canadian latvian. She and her family emigrated to Canada when USSR ocupied Latvia in 1940. She lived all life in Canada and after Latvia became independent she returned to homeland in mid 90's. So she maintains her nationality and despite living all her life outside homeland still are latvian and few years ago became a president. And such examples are thousands. And I know this situation very well and understand what Masha fells and I believe what she said. She says true. I admit that american culture influenced Maria, there is no doubt about that and that is normal but she still is russian.

P.S. I don't agree Myskina. She speaks perfectly in russian. And I think Dementieva and Myskina just envy Maria about her sucess and she could become the best player of Russia and later take a Nr.1 spot in the world. And thats way Myskina and Dementieva talks in that way. Its just effrontery.

Good luck Maria in your match against Myskina!!! Beat her and prove that you are the best russian player!!!

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Thanks for baring your testimony...

Alone2Gether
Jul 30th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Maria Sharapova, the greatest tennis player, is what I'm concened about.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:16 PM
I think she is half american!!!!

Alone2Gether
Jul 30th, 2004, 09:31 PM
what does maria say?

Marcova
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:50 PM
Maria is russian 100%. And do try to say to any russian who lives here maybe all life that he or she is not true russian. I advice not to ask this question at all. I am a latvian but I have russian blood also as my grandfather is russian. He arrived to Latvia about 40 years ago and still know and feels like russian.



Red Russian or White Russian?

Lemonskin.
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:38 AM
Hmmm.... I don't agree. You are what you feel. If Masha feels 100% Russian than she is 100% Russian.

of course, she's russian. living in another country for so many years would change anyones accent - you don't call kylie (minogue) a pom but she's lived over there for ages and has a distinct pommie accent - she's still thought of as an aussie so masha should be thought of as a russian.

Lemonskin.
Jul 31st, 2004, 12:40 AM
what does maria say?

maria says that she's russian.

10nisfanofruz
Jul 31st, 2004, 01:50 AM
Masha was raised by her parent who are russians that's why she can speak russian perfectly. Because of living in USA , she also can speak american-english. I think American culture has influenced her life more than russian one. She likes User and watch american tv shows ,however she read russian literature and her blood is still russian<she confirms it herself many times> Let her be that!

circuit77
Jul 31st, 2004, 03:28 AM
It is 100% correct she is russian and will always be. But she has absorbed american culture, as anyone who moves to a new country at 7 allot more than russian culture say 95% and through all her life even if she speaks american and lives the american lifestyle she is still 100% russian by Anthropological terms.

Edward.
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:10 PM
Maria is 100% Russian.

Fact.

Frank
Jul 31st, 2004, 08:35 PM
Maria is 100% Russian.

Fact.
En daarmee basta!
Sorry, I had to use this Dutch expression. It means so much like: End of discussion!

Frank
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:06 AM
"We’ve had totally different ways of growing up and developing our careers," Sharapova snarled. "Even though I train in America, I’m still Russian. That’s where I come from. No one going is going to tell me where I'm from because I know where I’m from. Just because I made the decision to develop my tennis somewhere else -- I think I made the right decision."

"I don’t feel American at all," she said. "I feel this is part of my job. I don’t know where I would be living. I came to the United States because of my tennis. Maybe I would still be in Russia or maybe I would have wanted to live someone else. I moved here because of my tennis, not for anything else."




Quote by Maria Sharapova herself... I guess this speaks for it's self................

Dan23
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:45 AM
I hadnt previously bothered to post in any of the threads on this subject because I thought that its not up to us to say what nationality Maria is.
But Ive had enough of reading all the crap people post about this (particularly in the General Forum).

How do any of us know how Maria grew up and what her family life was like and how they live day to day?
The only person who knows how Maria feels and goes about her life is Maria herself.
She has made it quite clear how she feels and has never disrespected the US at any time.
So hopefully everyone can forget about this and let Maria get on with her tennis (and her life).
:)

Wiggly
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:51 AM
Maria is 75% AMERICAN and 25% RUSSIAN :bounce:

Edward.
Aug 1st, 2004, 12:40 PM
Maria is 75% AMERICAN and 25% RUSSIAN :bounce:

No, thats bullshit.

sharapovarulz1
Aug 1st, 2004, 02:14 PM
Anyone whos lived in america as long as masha is going to have a hint of american in them! but the other russian tennis players are just jealous because they dont sound as amazing as masha!!!

altemix
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:41 PM
Red Russian or White Russian?

It is an indelicate and abusive question.

deckham
Aug 1st, 2004, 10:47 PM
she is russian people... she said it, her parents are from siberia... she is obviously russian! a russian living in the united states...

Marcova
Aug 1st, 2004, 11:52 PM
It is an indelicate and abusive question.

In what possible way could you reach that conclusion?

Marcova
Aug 2nd, 2004, 04:04 AM
It is an indelicate and abusive question.

Sorry, Maybe I should have said red, white or black?

Do you say abusive because I'm about to give you a lesson on russian history?
do you say indelicate becaue you think those emotive words are justified?

lakan kildap
Aug 2nd, 2004, 04:34 AM
I hate to sound silly guys, but since Maria's parents trace their roots to Gomel, Belarus (or Belorussia during the old USSR days), shouldn't Maria be, ethnically speaking, a Belarussian/Belorussian? She may have been born in Siberia, but only because her parents moved there. Let's face it, Maria looks different from the other Russian ladies players, even when compared against Anna. I think she's more closely related to Max Mirnyi than to Anastasia Myskina.

OK, enough of that, I really don't know enough about Russian ethnicity to prove that. OK, on to my point. This is a really delicate, touchy issue, and I wish this did not come out, but it has. However, I have to agree with those who say that ultimately, this issue will be decided by Maria.

It's about choice. Martina Navratilova is one of the best examples. Although from Czechoslovakia, she believed in her heart she was born to be an American, and she became one when the opportunity presented itself, and even then, she never lost her love for her mother country. On the opposite end, Charlie Chaplin had his greatest successes in America, loved America, and when he was deported during the 1950's, he fought hard to be admitted back to America, and yet he remained British and never sought American citizenship. The same could be said of John Lennon. Stanley Kubrick remained American even though he practically lived in England.

Should Maria decide to become American, there are no obstacles in her way. Although I am not an American myself, I know enough about America to know that blood is not an issue when it comes to becoming an American. America, we should remember, was founded by people who were descendants of immigrants. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, all had families that originated in Europe. Even today, the idea that anybody can become an American is, for me, one of the greatest ideas ever invented. America is enriched by all these "immigrant" contributions, whether in the fields of sports or culture or science. Baseball greats Honus Wagner and Lou Gehrig were of German origin (Heinrich Ludwig Gehrig became Henry Louis Gehrig), Kirk Douglas, the father of Michael, was Russian. And yet they were/are all, without reservation, All-Americans (I'm beginning to sound like Mel Gibson in "We Were Soldiers", it's creepy). It is one of the secrets to America's success.

Is Maria American? My answer is she could be, if she so decides. But Maria has put down her foot on the issue and said she's Russian. I think that's definite enough.

Sorry for the long post.

Lemonskin.
Aug 2nd, 2004, 08:25 AM
I hate to sound silly guys, but since Maria's parents trace their roots to Gomel, Belarus (or Belorussia during the old USSR days), shouldn't Maria be, ethnically speaking, a Belarussian/Belorussian? She may have been born in Siberia, but only because her parents moved there. Let's face it, Maria looks different from the other Russian ladies players, even when compared against Anna. I think she's more closely related to Max Mirnyi than to Anastasia Myskina.

OK, enough of that, I really don't know enough about Russian ethnicity to prove that. OK, on to my point. This is a really delicate, touchy issue, and I wish this did not come out, but it has. However, I have to agree with those who say that ultimately, this issue will be decided by Maria.

It's about choice. Martina Navratilova is one of the best examples. Although from Czechoslovakia, she believed in her heart she was born to be an American, and she became one when the opportunity presented itself, and even then, she never lost her love for her mother country. On the opposite end, Charlie Chaplin had his greatest successes in America, loved America, and when he was deported during the 1950's, he fought hard to be admitted back to America, and yet he remained British and never sought American citizenship. The same could be said of John Lennon. Stanley Kubrick remained American even though he practically lived in England.

Should Maria decide to become American, there are no obstacles in her way. Although I am not an American myself, I know enough about America to know that blood is not an issue when it comes to becoming an American. America, we should remember, was founded by people who were descendants of immigrants. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, all had families that originated in Europe. Even today, the idea that anybody can become an American is, for me, one of the greatest ideas ever invented. America is enriched by all these "immigrant" contributions, whether in the fields of sports or culture or science. Baseball greats Honus Wagner and Lou Gehrig were of German origin (Heinrich Ludwig Gehrig became Henry Louis Gehrig), Kirk Douglas, the father of Michael, was Russian. And yet they were/are all, without reservation, All-Americans (I'm beginning to sound like Mel Gibson in "We Were Soldiers", it's creepy). It is one of the secrets to America's success.

Is Maria American? My answer is she could be, if she so decides. But Maria has put down her foot on the issue and said she's Russian. I think that's definite enough.

Sorry for the long post.

whoa *horrible memories of history lessons come flooding back*

good research though

altemix
Aug 2nd, 2004, 10:01 AM
Sorry, Maybe I should have said red, white or black?

Do you say abusive because I'm about to give you a lesson on russian history?
do you say indelicate becaue you think those emotive words are justified?

Please understand me right. Our country is suffered from USSR invasion full enough. About 50 years we were under their cover. That have been influenced all social way of life. Tens of thousands people in 1941 and 1949 have been dispatched to Siberia in stockcars. Our properties have been denationalized. I could continue but that isn't a place where discuss about that. And now when we are independent for about 14 years, our government and other movement of persons try to show rest of the world a true. True that communistic regime wasn't much better than fascist regime. And a numerous of people here in Latvia and in other countries such as Lithuania, Estonia and Central European countries - Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and others, even many russians hate that regime and they suffered from that so much that you couldn't imagine that. Thats way these questions like "You are red or white...and similar" is just indelicate and abusive, thay are just incorrect. We are trying to forget that regime and you remind it.

Besides I know very well my country's history because I was learning in mid 90's when we were already independent and learning right historical version not affected with Soviet ideology.

P.S. Sorry for this comment, I do understand that that isn't answer to this topic but I just answered to Marcova's comment.

Marcova
Aug 2nd, 2004, 11:41 AM
Perhaps you should lighten up a little. There is a little Russian blood in me also, Cossack and Prussian if that is not Polish to you.
All I did was make a joke, red or white, it is a choice between two colours.

On the other hand, all roads lead to Rome. Whether a person is Russian or not they are entitled to be patriotic about their country, and even some people who were not russian as such were able to proudly support Communism when it came to opposing the fascist Nazi regime in Germany. I'm speaking of those "traitors" Burgess, Philby and Blunt, who ended up in the service of the Queen.

On the other hand white Russians took quite a hammering from the communists, who accused them of being supporters of the Russian royal family. The Russian Royals were murdered by the so called communists at the beginning of the revolution, while the British royals could do nothing to help them. I have spoken to some people, one woman in particular, standing in the doorway of a shop, who are proud to be "White" Russians living in the United States of America, while some would see them as supporters of an outdated aristocratic class. With some people it is difficult to know what position is the correct one.

I don't know what Maria's politics are, and as you point out it is unfashionable to be a communist sympathizer, but realistically the world must have millions of then still alive. People are very pragmatic when it comes to survival.

altemix
Aug 2nd, 2004, 11:55 AM
Marcova.
Yeah, I agree with you. There are still millions of communism supporters in the world. But I am latvian but I have russian blood too (as I said my grandfather is russian) and I am not either "red" or "white", I'm a democratic and freedom supporter. And I think that Maria is the same. But there are still numerous "red"s and "white"s of course but most of them are old folk.

Marcova
Aug 3rd, 2004, 01:32 AM
I don't think being communist is as significant to Russians, or even Siberians as it is to Americans. It was, after all a political system imposed on the population by the military, and there was no democratic way to get rid of the ruling elite, just as no amount of democracy could get rid of George Bush.

What is probably more significant in Maria's life is the events of 1985 and 1986 surrounding the Chernobyl disaster. To me it is sad that some people now think chernobyl is safe and want to turn it into a tourist attraction. It was in fact the Russian Church which recognised the danger and moved much of the population away from the exposure zone, despite reassuring noises from the government which said there was no danger, and relocated them. There is no cure for radiation, as I know from personal experience, after having visited Hiroshima in 1991, and receiving a radiation burn on my leg just above my sock from dust on one of the islands there.

I don't think that three year old children should be made to suffer in what is after all just a game of politics, in which all Russians are seen as the enemy, no matter their personal beliefs, because it was bad technology which was always going to fail from the time it was first built, and a ring of potentially similar accidents built at the time of the cold war designed to wipe out the Russian population, in a time when the leaders on both sides were clearly insane.

Thank goodness that we now have more information and have left that gloomy time behind us and have entered into an era of sunshine, laughter and happy and free children.

lakan kildap
Aug 3rd, 2004, 02:53 AM
from what I read, there's actually a much older usage of the term "White Russian" predating the modern usage which refers to the loyalists of the Romanovs during the civil war.

Previously, "White Russian" referred to Belorussians (now Belarussians).