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iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Maria Sharapove 10 ( i have never seen anyone nearly as talented )

Serena Williams 9 ( she would have done just as well had she taken up any other sport.)

Venus Williams 8 ( A shame she didn't get as good genes as Serena)

Henin 9 (she's so naturally talented. Everything she does is a thing of beauty)

Clijsters 4 (she must have worked damn hard off her butt to get there. now time is running out unfortunately)

Capriati 3 (when she made her debut at 13, she was much more talented but now she lost it all.. :sad:)

Davenport 7 ( to everyone's surprise, she's actually talented. Both of her parents used to play basketball or voellyball not too sure but she's been too lazy and eaten too much to get as big as she is all her life)

Dementieve 6 (dunno her game well but she seems like a talented girl)

Sprem 2 (just a good example of an overrated player)

Hantuchove 9 ( she's damn talented. everyone would kill for her talent let alone her beauty)

Tamarine 8 (she's actually awfully talented but she's yet to live up to it.. time's running out for her as well, C'mon Tammy!)

Frazier 8 (she's serectly very very talented. Look at her ground strokes. Nobody can control such flat shots as well as she does. If only her serve were much better n consistent... a shame with palms together)

Molic 1 (she's all serve. Without it, even me can play toe to toe with her)

well more to come later.

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Clijsters 4 and Capriati 3?!?! Sprem 2?!?!?!?!

Kim Clijsters is very talented, she hits almost every shot well.

I really can't believe you gave Capriati a 3! Capriati is among the MOST talented players EVER! You don't win 3 grand slams with that little talent.

Sprem may not be as talented as some, but nonetheless is very talented.

Anyway, I probably should shut up as it is your opinion :lol: but I just cant keep my mouth shut.

Btw I don't think anyone is surprised to how talented Lindsay Davenport is--- the reason she does so well is because she uses ALL of her talent.

Ivan C
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:50 PM
Now this is a better thread :worship: :worship: :worship:

I have to agree that sharapova is the most talent player I have ever seen. :hearts: :worship: :kiss:

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:52 PM
I think Hingis is the most talented player I have ever seen, and on tour right now probably Justine is the most talented (even though I'm not very fond of her I still have to admit it). Maria is up there, though.

Peer101
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Maria Sharapove 10 ( i have never seen anyone nearly as talented )

Serena Williams 9 ( she would have done just as well had she taken up any other sport.)

Venus Williams 8 ( A shame she didn't get as good genes as Serena)

Henin 9 (she's so naturally talented. Everything she does is a thing of beauty)

Clijsters 4 (she must have worked damn hard off her butt to get there. now time is running out unfortunately)

Capriati 3 (when she made her debut at 13, she was much more talented but now she lost it all.. :sad:)

Davenport 7 ( to everyone's surprise, she's actually talented. Both of her parents used to play basketball or voellyball not too sure but she's been too lazy and eaten too much to get as big as she is all her life)

Dementieve 6 (dunno her game well but she seems like a talented girl)

Sprem 2 (just a good example of an overrated player)

Hantuchove 9 ( she's damn talented. everyone would kill for her talent let alone her beauty)

Tamarine 8 (she's actually awfully talented but she's yet to live up to it.. time's running out for her as well, C'mon Tammy!)

Frazier 8 (she's serectly very very talented. Look at her ground strokes. Nobody can control such flat shots as well as she does. If only her serve were much better n consistent... a shame with palms together)

Molic 1 (she's all serve. Without it, even me can play toe to toe with her)

well more to come later.


Karolina an overrated player :lol:

Id like to see u get to 20 in the world

Frank
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Not another bashing thread!

V-MAC
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:54 PM
Chanda Rubin:
Talent: 10 Self belief/Confidence: 4
I have no doubt whatsoever that Chanda is one of the most talented players on the tour and is a terrific all-rounder.She just doesn't have the confidence to match which is a real shame and this prevents her from winning multiple slams.

Venus Williams
Talent: 10 Self belief/Confidence: 6 but is rising again :) (back in 2000, Venus would have 10 of course but she is starting to feel more confident again)

I still think that Venus is more talented than Serena..........we will see this again soon enough, Vee will prove she is the world's best tennis player.

Jelena Dokic
Talent: 8 (she just needs to rediscover it) Self belief/Confidence: -2 :o :sad:
I'm not sure where Jelena can go from here,seems she is forever lost in a never-ending slump.shame coz she was a beauty to watch when she was playing her best tennis a few years back.

sixthjude
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:55 PM
It's amazing how quickly people jump on the Sharapova bandwagon! I don't see how you can rate her as the most talented player based on one tournament's performance! And is belting the ball as hard as you can every shot really a talent? I think Capriati and Davenport are the cleanest strikers of the ball in the game, to hit so cleanly is certainly a talent. I think Mauresmo and Henin have the most natural talent and can play all the shots.

iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Chanda Rubin:
Talent: 10 Self belief/Confidence: 4
I have no doubt whatsoever that Chanda is one of the most talented players on the tour and is a terrific all-rounder.She just doesn't have the confidence to match which is a real shame and this prevents her from winning multiple slams.

Venus Williams
Talent: 10 Self belief/Confidence: 6 but is rising again :) (back in 2000, Venus would have 10 of course but she is starting to feel more confident again)

I still think that Venus is more talented than Serena..........we will see this again soon enough, Vee will prove she is the world's best tennis player.

Jelena Dokic
Talent: 8 (she just needs to rediscover it) Self belief/Confidence: -2 :o :sad:
I'm not sure where Jelena can go from here,seems she is forever lost in a never-ending slump.shame coz she was a beauty to watch when she was playing her best tennis a few years back.


I agree with you except on Dokic, who I reckon is way less talented than ppl make her out to be. She just doesn't know how to use brains on the court. All she does is bang bang bang with the "who cares where they are going" attitude. I would give her 3 or 4 (when I'm in a good mood).

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:56 PM
I agree, Venus IS more talented than Serena. If she just used some of that talent to improve that forehand and second serve ;).

rommel99
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Maria Sharapove 10 ( i have never seen anyone nearly as talented )

Serena Williams 9 ( she would have done just as well had she taken up any other sport.)

Venus Williams 8 ( A shame she didn't get as good genes as Serena)

Henin 9 (she's so naturally talented. Everything she does is a thing of beauty)

Clijsters 4 (she must have worked damn hard off her butt to get there. now time is running out unfortunately)

Capriati 3 (when she made her debut at 13, she was much more talented but now she lost it all.. :sad:)

Davenport 7 ( to everyone's surprise, she's actually talented. Both of her parents used to play basketball or voellyball not too sure but she's been too lazy and eaten too much to get as big as she is all her life)

Dementieve 6 (dunno her game well but she seems like a talented girl)

Sprem 2 (just a good example of an overrated player)

Hantuchove 9 ( she's damn talented. everyone would kill for her talent let alone her beauty)

Tamarine 8 (she's actually awfully talented but she's yet to live up to it.. time's running out for her as well, C'mon Tammy!)

Frazier 8 (she's serectly very very talented. Look at her ground strokes. Nobody can control such flat shots as well as she does. If only her serve were much better n consistent... a shame with palms together)

Molic 1 (she's all serve. Without it, even me can play toe to toe with her)

well more to come later.

pretty much how you define talent.. i think kim is talented.. shes very coordinated when she plays.. her anticipation is also very good.. she hits the ball clean.. maria? dunno i think henin, mauresmo and hingis are ALOT more talented..

xan
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:04 PM
It's amazing how quickly people jump on the Sharapova bandwagon! I don't see how you can rate her as the most talented player based on one tournament's performance! And is belting the ball as hard as you can every shot really a talent? I think Capriati and Davenport are the cleanest strikers of the ball in the game, to hit so cleanly is certainly a talent. I think Mauresmo and Henin have the most natural talent and can play all the shots.
It's amazing how many people jump on the Sharapova-knocking bandwagon with zero knowledge of what they're talking about. You may have watched just one tournament, but don't think the same of everyone else.

Some of the greats of the sport were saying that Sharapova was uniquely talented years ago.

LindsayRulez
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:19 PM
Sharapova may be talented, but she's NOTHING compared to Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Kim, Justine, Jennifer, and the list goes on and on...

sixthjude
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:19 PM
I did not say I have only watched Sharapova play in one tournament! I said you cannot say she is the most talented based on one tournament's performance! Apart from Wimbledon, occasions when Sharapova has shown her talent have not been very regular! I have seen her play many times without being hugely impressed! She displayed a lot of talent at Wimbledon this year, but you cannot say she is the most talented player around until she gets some more big wins and more titles under her belt! I am in no way knocking her, don't be so defensive!

LindsayRulez
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:22 PM
I did not say I have only watched Sharapova play in one tournament! I said you cannot say she is the most talented based on one tournament's performance! Apart from Wimbledon, occasions when Sharapova has shown her talent have not been very regular! I have seen her play many times without being hugely impressed! She displayed a lot of talent at Wimbledon this year, but you cannot say she is the most talented player around until she gets some more big wins and more titles under her belt! I am in no way knocking her, don't be so defensive!
well said! People think we are judging her just based on one tournament, which if anything, is what they are doing. I've seen her play many times, not just at Wimbledon.

It seems that this iloveazza character likes to start threads so he can praise sharapova and disrespect other players in the process; I'm willing to bet he/she is no older than...13 :rolleyes:

deckham
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:27 PM
myskina is more talented than sharapova at this moment..... an all around game with great dropshots, a good serve, good volleys..... sharapova is still very one-minded with her power. and that won't get her too far against the crafty players such as myskina.....

i hope that match happens tomorrow... then that would be 3 times the "more talented" sharapova would have lost to myskina this year..... ;)

oh ... so to answer the question....

i still feel sharapova is a talent.... a 7 with a chance to be higher than that.
myskina..... a 9.

and you cannot deny talent that is in serena and venus.. i am not fans of theirs, but their athleticism and talent is pretty obvious. both are a 9 as well.
the only player i would give a 10 in female tennis would be navratilova or graf.

Dave B
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:27 PM
I think S&V are very talented athletes--that is how tennis coaches were intially interested in them. Their strokes, on the other hand, come mainly from lots of hard work and training when they were young--not natural talent. You could also make a good arguement that Masha is not very talented, rather she worked her butt off. This is not to discredit these players. The best player NOW is not necesarily the most talented, but the one who manages to capitalize on their talent. Jenn, on the other hand, seems VERY talented, as she did so well when she was so young and was never much of a hard worker (early on).

sixthjude
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:27 PM
Ooooh, 'LindzayRules', I think you can expect some replies to that last comment!!! :)

LindsayRulez
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:29 PM
Ooooh, 'LindzayRules', I think you can expect some replies to that last comment!!! :)
I hope so ;)

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:29 PM
Mauresmo: 10
Serena: 9.5
Venus: 9
Myskina 9
Henin 9
the rest of the top players: 8

volta
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Mauresmo: 10
Serena: 9.5
Venus: 9
Myskina 9
Henin 9
the rest of the top players: 8
apart from that Mauresmo at 10 i agree with you .
Mauresmo is a 9 IMO the only 10 is graf but she´s not playing so there aren´t any 10 at the moment on Tennis. Rena can be a 10 if she improves her volley and some other little things.

ys
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:38 PM
If we are talking purely tennis talent, apart from raw physical talent..

1. Davenport 10
2. Seles 10
3. Henin 9
4. Sharapova 9
5. Kournikova 9
6. Dementieva 8
7. Kuznetsova 8
8. Clijsters 8

These are the cleanest hitters of the ball among active players.

Tennis talent is about timing and hand-eye coordination. These words are not in Williams sisters vocabulary. Their talent is mostly raw physical.

Dave B
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:40 PM
apart from that Mauresmo at 10 i agree with you .
Mauresmo is a 9 IMO the only 10 is graf but she´s not playing so there aren´t any 10 at the moment on Tennis. Rena can be a 10 if she improves her volley and some other little things.

You can't "improve" on your talent by working on things. Talent is what you start with, your natural abilities. So serena cannot work her way up to a ten in talent, although she can certaintly be a 10 in skill (and has before).

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:41 PM
damn they can do that without having hand-eye co-ordination and being good at tennis!? :eek::banana:

fuck it ys. i know what you meant :)

ys
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:46 PM
damn they can do that without having hand-eye co-ordination and being good at tennis!? :eek::banana: Their hand-eye is still way above our average. But let me put it this way - the frequency of mishits is the clear evidence of physical talent dominating over tennis talent. No Top player mishits as much as the sisters. The tennis talent at its absolute purity - Agassi - hardly even knows what mishit is.

Chunchun
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:52 PM
LenaD 100000000000000
V & S 10
JHH 5
Clijsters 7
Golovin 8
Sharapova 9
Davenport 7
Momo 6
Dani 7
Myskina 4
Capriati 5

sixthjude
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Excellent points about talent, you ahve to separate the physical strength and skill from the actual ball-hitting ability, only then do yo get a true definition of tennis 'talent'. YS, your list is great but I think you need to include Capriati in there too as a clean striker of the ball!

Fantastic
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Justine Henin-Hardenne: 10
Kim Clijsters: 10
Amelie Mauresmo: 10
Lindsay Davenport: 10
Anastasia Myskina: 10
Elena Dementieva: 10
Jennifer Capriati: 10
Maria Sharapova: 10
Svetlana Kuznetsova: 10
Venus Williams: 10
Serena Williams: 10

Martina Hingis: 10
Anna Kournikova: 10
Monica Seles: 10
Gabriela Sabatini: 10
Steffi Graf: 10
Jelena Dokic: 10
Daniela Hantuchova: 10
Ai Sugiyama: 10
Nadia Petrova: 10
Vera Zvonareva: 10
Paola Suarez: 10
Patty Schnyder: 10
Anna Smashnova-Pistolesi: 10
Francesca Schiavone: 10
Silvia Farina Elia: 10
Karolina Sprem: 10
Maggie Maleeva: 10
Elena Bovina: 10
Fabiola Zuluaga: 10
Conchita Martinez: 10
Lina Krasnoroutskaya: 10

I suppose I could go on, but IMO the Top 100 (and even some outside of that) are all 10s. The major difference is what's between the ears when they come out to play!

Leo_DFP
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I agree with ys on this matter. Their are different definitions of the word "talent" but in terms of tennis talent, those players that he mentioned are definitely right up there among the best. I would take off Korunikova as having some of the best tennis talent, though. She has never been the cleanest hitter; she mishits plenty of shots, especially the serve. And you couldn't possibly leave the ever-talented Hingis off that list. Also, you missed Myskina.

:rolleyes: @ those (inc. the creator of this thread) who think Sharapova is the most talented player the WTA has ever seen. I'm not sure there has ever been a Grand Slam champion as overrated as she. She's not the best thing since sliced bread, people.

switz
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:59 PM
patty is unbelievably talented. that doesn't equate with success unfortunately

Truthwillout
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:03 PM
Justine Henin-Hardenne: 10
Kim Clijsters: 10
Amelie Mauresmo: 10
Lindsay Davenport: 10
Anastasia Myskina: 10
Elena Dementieva: 10
Jennifer Capriati: 10
Maria Sharapova: 10
Svetlana Kuznetsova: 10
Venus Williams: 10

Martina Hingis: 10
Anna Kournikova: 10
Monica Seles: 10
Gabriela Sabatini: 10
Steffi Graf: 10
Jelena Dokic: 10
Daniela Hantuchova: 10
Ai Sugiyama: 10
Nadia Petrova: 10
Vera Zvonareva: 10
Paola Suarez: 10
Patty Schnyder: 10
Anna Smashnova-Pistolesi: 10
Francesca Schiavone: 10
Silvia Farina Elia: 10
Karolina Sprem: 10
Maggie Maleeva: 10
Elena Bovina: 10
Fabiola Zuluaga: 10
Conchita Martinez: 10

I suppose I could go on, but IMO the Top 100 (and even some outside it) are all 10s. The major difference is what's between the ears when they come out to play!

You're right. You don't fluke your way into the Top 100. Yet, I think some of the top girls are more than a notch above the others. I'm talking about those who've been very regular in their results and rankings for years, those who know how to raise their level and play out the important points in a match. Those who have the mental edge in those very special nerve-wracking moments when you don't know how the scales will eventually tip. Those who are able to scoop up several titles in a year. Those who end up doing what so few can do, walking off with one (or more) grand slam tropheys. Those whose names will go down in History. This is a very exclusive club. And unfortunately not every top 100 girl, however good and talented she may be, can claim a seat in it.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:07 PM
LenaD 100000000000000
V & S 10
JHH 5
Clijsters 7
Golovin 8
Sharapova 9
Davenport 7
Momo 6
Dani 7
Myskina 4
Capriati 5
yep, ED's serve surely warrant her a 10 :rolleyes:

JHH 5, she won 3 slams just out of sheer size and power

MinnyGophers
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Talking about current Top players:
I would give Mauresmo and Henin: 10 because their game isn't based as much on physicla power but on well made shots/variety and such. I am of course speaking talent wise only, because Momo's fragile mental strength isn't nearly as close to a 10.
Venus: 9 maybe even 10. IMO she is more talented than Ree who is all about power.
Davenport-Capriati:8. Jenny would be a 9 in her younger days.
Serena/Sharapova: 7. Just my opinion okay? I think that what makes her so good is her physical strength and raw power. And of course her heart. Sharapova might be subject to changes, but her game is really similar to Ree's.
Kim:8. She doesn't has much originality and variety in her game, but she is damn good at it. She hits clean shots pretty much all the time, and imo it requires talent.

Experimentee
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Their hand-eye is still way above our average. But let me put it this way - the frequency of mishits is the clear evidence of physical talent dominating over tennis talent. No Top player mishits as much as the sisters. The tennis talent at its absolute purity - Agassi - hardly even knows what mishit is.

Federer is universally praised as the most talented player in the modern game yet he mishits at least one every game, especially off his BH.

Gowza
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:07 PM
everyone in the top 10 are definately top 10 in talent, i would even say everyone in the top 20 are top 10 and possibly even top 30. it is tough to get to the top 100, i use to think it was quite easy but after following some juniors through to the pro ranks i have now found out it is not so easy. so pretty much everyone in the top 100 are at least 8 or up imo and then there are the young up and coming players who havent got their breakthroughs yet that are outside of the top 100.

MinnyGophers
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:08 PM
:rolleyes: @ those (inc. the creator of this thread) who think Sharapova is the most talented player the WTA has ever seen. I'm not sure there has ever been a Grand Slam champion as overrated as she. She's not the best thing since sliced bread, people.

wooh this is gonna get you some bad reps :lol:

Experimentee
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:11 PM
I hope people who deny Sharapova is overrated can see this. People actually think shes the most talented player on tour.
I agree with Fantastic btw. All top players must be very talented to get where they are. You cant be that successful through only physical ability or luck.

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Tennis talent is about timing and hand-eye coordination. These words are not in Williams sisters vocabulary. Their talent is mostly raw physical.

Is that good or bad?!

Ivan C
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:16 PM
All this is a matter of OPINION. Many people including myself THINK Sharapova is the most talented tennis player, I don't see anything wrong with this. Some people think henin, williams, hingis etc and there is nothing wrong with that either. I mean there is no doubt all the players I just mentioned are awesome players.

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:18 PM
Federer is universally praised as the most talented player in the modern game yet he mishits at least one every game, especially off his BH.

Ssshhhh.....

Leo_DFP
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:21 PM
wooh this is gonna get you some bad reps :lol:
Bring it on, I say. Most Sharapova fans I see around GM are lame and I don't give a damn what they think about my posts.

ys
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Federer is universally praised as the most talented player in the modern game yet he mishits at least one every game, especially off his BH.
So does Henin. Single-handed backhand when player consistently tries taking ball early requires unparalleled timing and footwork and naturally generates more of mishits. It should be taken into account.

ys
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Is that good or bad?!
Neither. It just is. Titles are not awarded for tennis talent alone. They are awarded for the whole package.

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:24 PM
So does Henin. Single-handed backhand when player consistently tries taking ball early requires unparalleled timing and footwork and naturally generates more of mishits. It should be taken into account.
ahhhhhhhhhh...we agree on something ;)

sixthjude
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:25 PM
MinnyGophers, how can you say that Capriati would have been a 9 in her younger days but only an 8 now? Even though JCap was a great player in the early days, she never got above number 6 in the world, never reached a grandslam final and regularly came off second best against Seles, Graf and Sabatini. Yet, ten years later, in a much more competitive era in terms of depth - but sadly not rivalries! - Capriati becomes number 1 and wins three slams! I think she is just as talented now as she was, the difference is she has improved her fitness and dedication to the sport!

MinnyGophers
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:30 PM
MinnyGophers, how can you say that Capriati would have been a 9 in her younger days but only an 8 now? Even though JCap was a great player in the early days, she never got above number 6 in the world, never reached a grandslam final and regularly came off second best against Seles, Graf and Sabatini. Yet, ten years later, in a much more competitive era in terms of depth - but sadly not rivalries! - Capriati becomes number 1 and wins three slams! I think she is just as talented now as she was, the difference is she has improved her fitness and dedication to the sport!

I am just talking about Jenny right now, because it seems she is a little bit in a slump. Jenny is one of my favorites, and I know how much she changed from earlier in terms of dedication and work habit.

aime
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:56 PM
Amelie and Justine ( in this order) are, in my opinion, the most talented now. Taking the past into account I'd say Graff, Navratilova and Hingis are alongside those two mentioned above.

j_dementieva27
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:14 PM
ill just list the current top ten:

sharapova: 10
justine henin-hardenne: 10
dementieva: 9 (one point off for the serve, but she has the best groundstrokes on the tour)
amelie mauresmo: 8
lindsay davenport: 8 (cleanest ball striker, but can be inconsitant and movement is terrible, though it has improved)
jennifer capriati: 8
anastasia myskina: 8
svetlana kuznetsova: 7
venus and serena williams: 6 (yes, they are great champions... but they won all their big championships by overpowering their opponents not outsmarting or outhitting... look at a williams rally, it typically last 4 or 5 shots because they are impatient and go for the winner right away... they have improved on that, but still ... i think their game is more raw athelticism than talent)
kim clijsters: 5 (she can hit and rally well, but thats about it... her game is nothing special, its just textbook)

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:19 PM
ill just list the current top ten:

sharapova: 10
justine henin-hardenne: 10
dementieva: 9 (one point off for the serve, but she has the best groundstrokes on the tour)
amelie mauresmo: 8
lindsay davenport: 8 (cleanest ball striker, but can be inconsitant and movement is terrible, though it has improved)
jennifer capriati: 8
anastasia myskina: 8
svetlana kuznetsova: 7
venus and serena williams: 6 (yes, they are great champions... but they won all their big championships by overpowering their opponents not outsmarting or outhitting... look at a williams rally, it typically last 4 or 5 shots because they are impatient and go for the winner right away... they have improved on that, but still ... i think their game is more raw athelticism than talent)
kim clijsters: 5 (she can hit and rally well, but thats about it... her game is nothing special, its just textbook)


By overpowering the Williams win....then how come Maria has a 10 and Elena D a 9?!

Ladingda
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Anzela Zguna: 10
Justine Henin-Hardenne: 1

:tape: :haha:

:scared: :anzela: :retard:

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:33 PM
ill just list the current top ten:

sharapova: 10
justine henin-hardenne: 10
dementieva: 9 (one point off for the serve, but she has the best groundstrokes on the tour)
amelie mauresmo: 8
lindsay davenport: 8 (cleanest ball striker, but can be inconsitant and movement is terrible, though it has improved)
jennifer capriati: 8
anastasia myskina: 8
svetlana kuznetsova: 7
venus and serena williams: 6 (yes, they are great champions... but they won all their big championships by overpowering their opponents not outsmarting or outhitting... look at a williams rally, it typically last 4 or 5 shots because they are impatient and go for the winner right away... they have improved on that, but still ... i think their game is more raw athelticism than talent)
kim clijsters: 5 (she can hit and rally well, but thats about it... her game is nothing special, its just textbook)
you know, consistency would be GREATLY appreciated :)

Ivan C
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:36 PM
ill just list the current top ten:

sharapova: 10
justine henin-hardenne: 10
dementieva: 9 (one point off for the serve, but she has the best groundstrokes on the tour)
amelie mauresmo: 8
lindsay davenport: 8 (cleanest ball striker, but can be inconsitant and movement is terrible, though it has improved)
jennifer capriati: 8
anastasia myskina: 8
svetlana kuznetsova: 7
venus and serena williams: 6 (yes, they are great champions... but they won all their big championships by overpowering their opponents not outsmarting or outhitting... look at a williams rally, it typically last 4 or 5 shots because they are impatient and go for the winner right away... they have improved on that, but still ... i think their game is more raw athelticism than talent)
kim clijsters: 5 (she can hit and rally well, but thats about it... her game is nothing special, its just textbook)

Bit harsh on williams, i would give them 9, but i think i would agree with the rest just about.

vw43
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Jennifer Capriati gets a 10.

Henin-Hardene get a 10 although I don't care for her personality. I like watching her tennis.

All this talk about the Williams sisters being untalented is ridiculous and those of you posting it, know it. I'm interested in your definition of talent. In my book raw, physical, unadulterated athleticism is a talent. Yes, the sisters are known for their power but they are no dum-dums. They don't just go out there and try and hit the ball harder than their opponent - which is what has been implied. They go out there and hit the ball harder, play more aggressively, move better, react faster, play better angles and until recently intimidated players the moment they set foot upon the court. They both get 10's too. So there.

:wavey:

Ivan C
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:26 PM
Jennifer Capriati gets a 10.

Henin-Hardene get a 10 although I don't care for her personality. I like watching her tennis.

All this talk about the Williams sisters being untalented is ridiculous and those of you posting it, know it. I'm interested in your definition of talent. In my book raw, physical, unadulterated athleticism is a talent. Yes, the sisters are known for their power but they are no dum-dums. They don't just go out there and try and hit the ball harder than their opponent - which is what has been implied. They go out there and hit the ball harder, play more aggressively, move better, react faster, play better angles and until recently intimidated players the moment they set foot upon the court. They both get 10's too. So there.

:wavey:

We can't have TOO many 10s. So how do we distinguish between Sharapova and Capriati for example. So capriati maybe 8.5/10 IMO.

V-MAC
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:27 PM
is it really necessary to keep putting Venus and Serena together as if they are the one player,yes of course they do play similar but they are two seperate players!!

New_balls_please
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Lindsay, Justine, Conchita, Arantxa, Mary Joe, Amanda, Martina, Jana, Graf, Monica, Kimiko ......10!
Kim, Jennifer, Venus, Serena, Maria S, Nathalie, Sandrine, Julie, Dominique, Sabine, Ruxandra, Mary....9!

Atrixo
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:32 PM
I'll have to agree with the posters, who say that there is very little to differentiate --- in terms of talent and skill --- among the top 50 or 100 players in the world. Sure, some play different styles; some have different strengths and weaknesses. But the level of play and success that truly differentiates the top 10 or 20 players from the rest, is "what's between their ears", and "in their heart". :)

deckham
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:37 PM
LenaD 100000000000000
V & S 10
JHH 5
Clijsters 7
Golovin 8
Sharapova 9
Davenport 7
Momo 6
Dani 7
Myskina 4
Capriati 5

E. Dementieva!! i'm shocked !! you actually gave myskina a 4!??!! is that jealousy speaking????? :angel:

vw43
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:40 PM
We can't have TOO many 10s. So how do we distinguish between Sharapova and Capriati for example. So capriati maybe 8.5/10 IMO.
I didn't know there was a rule or limit to how many 10's we could list ;)

I would give Capriati a 10 but not Sharapova. Not that I wouldn't give Sharapova a 10 in a year or so. We haven't seen enough of her yet. I've seen Jenny kicking ass since she was 13 - playing the likes of Graf and Navratilova. Once Sharapova proves her talent can withstand some heat then I will be more than happy to bequeath a halo of 10's upon her cute, 17 year old head.

:)

Ann
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Kim C .10. :worship:

Monica S 10: :drool:

Maria S .10. :eek:

DA FOREHAND
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I think S&V are very talented athletes--that is how tennis coaches were intially interested in them. Their strokes, on the other hand, come mainly from lots of hard work and training when they were young--not natural talent. You could also make a good arguement that Masha is not very talented, rather she worked her butt off. This is not to discredit these players. The best player NOW is not necesarily the most talented, but the one who manages to capitalize on their talent. Jenn, on the other hand, seems VERY talented, as she did so well when she was so young and was never much of a hard worker (early on).

You get the D.P.O.T award.

Dumbest post of the thread.

There isn't one top player who hasn't had to work thier ass off to get to where they are today. henin and Lindsay practically built themselves new bodies training on and off the court to put themselves in position to win slams. None of the pro players were born to play tennis, they were raised and groomed, so cut all the "natural " b.s.

azinna
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:53 PM
Anyone in the top 20 deserves at least an 8. Those handing out 6's, 4's and 2's are suffering from serious armchair-itis, the cure for which can only be some perspective. I mean, I consider myself to be an active enthusiast, born with some amount of talent with respect to the sport, good serve, good groundies, good volleys, and so deserving of at least a 2. Where, really, does that put Serena?

fammmmedspin
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Depends entirely on what your definition of talent is. Some players can hit the same shot within inches of the line all day but have the imagination of the average umpire's chair. Others can race to any shot and biff it but have technique that coaches would despair of in a 6 year old. Some can do both. Others have perfect shots but the mobility of the umpire's chair.

Others can hit any shot at any time anywhere and often hit the right shot at the right time but lose nearly half their matches. Some do better and only lose the really important ones.

Some people can do it all - but we don't know how often yet in many of those cases.

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Some players admit that they don't have that much talent, they got to where they were out of pure hard work. Paola Suarez is one of these players, she wasn't gifted with great strokes, she worked REALLY hard for them.

So according to Paola, saying players can't play at a competative level without a significant amout of talent is a lie.

Aphrodite
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:23 PM
This talent thing is so overated, you dont get to the top with just talent, sure it helps but you need to work your ass of, infact some of the top players are not the most talented on the tour, i mean everyone is somewhat talented but the 200 ranked player might be more talented then the number 1 player (in this case no, cause cmon justine is talented as hell), look at Venus,Serena,Jennifer sure they are talented but there are many more who are way more talented thing is, you have to work your ass of and in the example of those three they have worked there ass of every day of their lifes, you need someone too push you( all three`s fathers:lol: ), you need to have some luck to get in the top 250 first and quite a bit of oppertunity so you can prove yourself and lift yourself in the rankings, most importantly you need a great attitude, meaning you need to believe in yourself(all three think they are the shit and thats not bad they probably are)(Sesil:lol: ), you need to know what to do with your abilities and the talent you have, and you need to keep on improving your physical abilities( no wonder you can see all three of them in the gym lifting). Talent will only get you so far, look at Amanda Coetzer I would give her like a 4 or a 5 in talent and if she does have more its cause she has worked for it. Her career is the perfect example for one of the ways to be succesful and not just in tennis but in life, its by working hard for your goals. Please dont give players in the top 250 less than a 4, cause that is average, you cant give someone in the top 20 a 3 that is funny, first you people talking use your talents to get in the top 250 and than talk. By the way a lot of the posters on this board need to have some respect for all the players doesnt matter how much you dislike them, they did great in where they got to.

Aphrodite
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:24 PM
By the way Steffi, Gaby, Martina Hingis were very talented. There are many more as well They still needed to improve in some departaments, cause everyone does, but they had a lot of talent and they did a lot with it (props;) ), altough in some cases more could have been done.

azinna
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Tennis talent is about timing and hand-eye coordination. These words are not in Williams sisters vocabulary. Their talent is mostly raw physical.Their hand-eye is still way above our average. But let me put it this way - the frequency of mishits is the clear evidence of physical talent dominating over tennis talent. No Top player mishits as much as the sisters. The tennis talent at its absolute purity - Agassi - hardly even knows what mishit is.
Actually, Agassi of late 80s and early 90s did his fare share of misfiring. And he would have been more familiar with the mishit without his slightly oversized racquet. Compare his raquet head with Sampras' (around 107" vs around 93"). Pete mishit slightly more often than Andre, but who had the greater sweet spot to play with? Who had the greater talent?

Then compare early Agassi with late, slam-winning Agassi. It is the latter incarnation that hardly knows what a mishit is, but the man had no more talent in 1999 than in 1987. What changed were his tactics; his risk-taking decreased. He erased the word low-percentage from his tennis vocabulary.

Ys, it isn't possible to judge natural tennis talent from the frequency of mishits. You were given the very good example of Federer's oft-misfiring backhand. Your reply: to add that of Henin in saying they were both attempting low percentage shots, which should be taken into account when judging their talent. Why not do the same when judging the talent of either Venus or Serena, both of whom have been accused of playing strikingly low percentage tennis?

Lady
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:48 PM
I just don't get it, how some posters can give WS 6's cos they're just power, and then give Maria - 10?? :confused: I don't get it? Maria plays on power, she really does.
And it's not bad, that's just the way it is.

azinna
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:56 PM
I just don't get it, how some posters can give WS 6's cos they're just power, and then give Maria - 10?? :confused: I don't get it? Maria plays on power, she really does.
And it's not bad, that's just the way it is.It's all about natural hair colour, Lady. In tennis (and only in tennis), if you're blonde then your power strokes are a product of remarkable feel, hand-eye coordination, court savvy, anticipation, and an innate command of advanced geometry.

Fantastic
Jul 30th, 2004, 03:14 PM
I think we've identified some of those corrupt Olympic Figure Skating judges in this thread. What's up with some of the ratings, people!? LOL.

ys
Jul 30th, 2004, 03:26 PM
Why not do the same when judging the talent of either Venus or Serena, both of whom have been accused of playing strikingly low percentage tennis?
Both mishit plenty on forehand side too. The side that supposed to be the side of clean hitting because ti requires the minimum possible amount of hand-eye coordination. And another component of real tennis talent - naturally good footwork. Williams's footwork is mediocre, to put it mild. They don't have a natural feel of position. They hit every second shot being out of position. Their natural physical strength helps them out.

Hant Hant
Jul 30th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Justine - 10
Kim - 9
Amelie - 9
Lindsay -9.5
A.Myskina - 7
E.Dementieva - 2 (her attitude is the only thing that drops her down)
Jennifer - 8
Maria - 8.5
Kuznetsova - 9
Venus - 9
Ai - 6
Nadia - 5
Paola - 9.5
Serena - 9
Hantuchova - 9.2

sixthjude
Jul 30th, 2004, 03:46 PM
I have to disagree with Da Forehand on the natural talent issue. There are some things in tennis that are difficult to teach that some people naturally do better than others. Those people who do these things very well are said to have natural talent! For example, when you say a player has great 'feel' or great 'hands', this is gifted and totally natural. As much as I love her, I doubt very much if monica Seles, for example, would ever develop 'good hands' around the net if she played tennis for 100 years. Yet she has a natural talent for hitting the ball with precise timing and accuracy. That's just the way it is! Of course nstural talent alone is never enough - ask Sabatini and Mauresmo! - but it is certainly an asset to have!

Eric_tennis
Jul 30th, 2004, 04:54 PM
Tennis talent is about timing and hand-eye coordination. ............ And another component of real tennis talent - naturally good footwork.
You're right. But talent is more than that, I think. The most precious one would be 'reading the game and anticipation from it'. You can't learn it by practice. As for the hand-eye coordination, you can see that from one's volley skill. When you hit very flat stroke, the timing is the most required.

As far as I know, Martina Hingis is the greatest ever about the pure talent. The two tennis genius, John Mc & Federer admitted that.
Damm the XXX shoes. It changed Martina's life and women's tennis history. :sad:

I miss you, Martina!
:kiss:

ahimsadawn
Jul 30th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Momo-10
Justine-10
Monica-most talented person to ever play
Maria S.-9
Kimmy-7
Hingis-10
Lindsay-8 (too bad she can't move)
Serena-9
Venus-8.5
Anastasia-7
Elena D.-8 (she made it to 6 in the world with that serve)
Jen-10 (she missed a lot of years)
Anna K.-9.5 (Oh God, the disappointment!)

XMan
Jul 30th, 2004, 05:08 PM
If there was some sort of objective formula to rank the top players based on "talent" then the difference in talent between them would probably be in the order of 0.1 % and fluctuate trhoughout the season. But how do we define talent anyway? Does it depend on the way people serve and hit the ball? Does it depend on strategies en mental toughness? Does it depend on the way they can manage their energy level and focus? All those areas fluctuated throughout the career of a player and that's why it also affects talent.

bandabou
Jul 30th, 2004, 06:06 PM
It's all about natural hair colour, Lady. In tennis (and only in tennis), if you're blonde then your power strokes are a product of remarkable feel, hand-eye coordination, court savvy, anticipation, and an innate command of advanced geometry.


You said it...but tjaa, that´s the way it is. Some people can and some people can´t.