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mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:52 PM
This is an answer to why people don't compare other players' post match excuses to the sisters:

when the Sisters lose, their excuses leave no room to credit their opponent. Basically, they claim that, regardless of how well their opponent played, they would have won if they had played even at 70%, or a "decent match." When any other player loses, she usually excuses herself as being "tired" or having made silly UFEs, but she also credits her opponent's play, and rarely claims that victory would have been assured regardless of her opponent's play. The complete lack of respect for an opponent's play is what pisses off alot of people. Hopefully y'all can see this and at least comprehend it. You don't have to agree w/ it, but I just thought I'd clue you in.

griffin
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:01 PM
This is an answer to why people don't compare other players' post match excuses to the sisters:

when the Sisters lose, their excuses leave no room to credit their opponent. Basically, they claim that, regardless of how well their opponent played, they would have won if they had played even at 70%, or a "decent match." When any other player loses, she usually excuses herself as being "tired" or having made silly UFEs, but she also credits her opponent's play, and rarely claims that victory would have been assured regardless of her opponent's play. The complete lack of respect for an opponent's play is what pisses off alot of people. Hopefully y'all can see this and at least comprehend it. You don't have to agree w/ it, but I just thought I'd clue you in.

Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?

Venus Forever
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?
:lol:

This thread is sooooo stupid. He's trying to distinguish between what is a good excuse, and what is a bad excuse.

Please now, an excuse is an excuse.

http://wtaworld.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Venus Forever
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:10 PM
This is an answer to why people don't compare other players' post match excuses to the sisters:

when the Sisters lose, their excuses leave no room to credit their opponent. Basically, they claim that, regardless of how well their opponent played, they would have won if they had played even at 70%, or a "decent match." When any other player loses, she usually excuses herself as being "tired" or having made silly UFEs, but she also credits her opponent's play, and rarely claims that victory would have been assured regardless of her opponent's play. The complete lack of respect for an opponent's play is what pisses off alot of people. Hopefully y'all can see this and at least comprehend it. You don't have to agree w/ it, but I just thought I'd clue you in.
Boy, this is the biggest piece of Bullshit that I have ever read.

I can quote COUNTLESS times of where the Williams sisters have remarked about how well their opponent was playing, and COUNTLESS times of where the losing player blamed something in their own game as to why they lost (which I have already done after Wimbledon.)

Give it up already, ALL THE PLAYERS HAVE EXCUSES.

VeNuS#1LoVa
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:12 PM
Again, hatin' on the Williams Sisters, and although I could go all out on this topic, I won't I'll mkae it short...

When the Williams Sisters lose, it's because they beat themselves, not because of their opponents fabulous play, because when an ON Williams Sister plays, they will beat anyone...Case Closed...

Crazy_Fool
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:17 PM
Again, hatin' on the Williams Sisters, and although I could go all out on this topic, I won't I'll mkae it short...

When the Williams Sisters lose, it's because they beat themselves, not because of their opponents fabulous play, because when an ON Williams Sister plays, they will beat anyone...Case Closed...
You have to love fans who actually believe this. Its nothing to do with the opponents play guys, just the WS play :lol:

Mrs. Peel
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?

:tape: :lol:

Rocketta
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?
preach Griffin! :rocker:

*JR*
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Since I don't even watch or read those mostly predictable interviews, this observation isn't About Anyone in particular. Having made that disclaimer, I offer Griff this observation: A player can INDEED "technically praise" her opponent, but then Imply: "If I was playing the way I normally do, I'd have won anyway".

faboozadoo15
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Again, hatin' on the Williams Sisters, and although I could go all out on this topic, I won't I'll mkae it short...

When the Williams Sisters lose, it's because they beat themselves, not because of their opponents fabulous play, because when an ON Williams Sister plays, they will beat anyone...Case Closed...
this is exactly the attitude mboyle addressed :rolleyes:
thanks for proving his point....

for instance, if a player plays a lot of slices and things their opponent isn't used to, they may win just because of that technical superiority. what an opponent does during a match affects the game of the player...
case closed...

faboozadoo15
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Since I don't even watch or read those mostly predictable interviews, this observation isn't About Anyone in particular. Having made that disclaimer, I offer Griff this observation: A player can INDEED "technically praise" her opponent, but then Imply: "If I was playing the way I normally do, I'd have won anyway".
indeed.

Rocketta
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:00 AM
this is exactly the attitude mboyle addressed :rolleyes:
thanks for proving his point....

for instance, if a player plays a lot of slices and things their opponent isn't used to, they may win just because of that technical superiority. what an opponent does during a match affects the game of the player...
case closed...I thought the thread starters post was about about Serena/Venus' excuses not their fans? :scratch:

Venus Forever
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:01 AM
this is exactly the attitude mboyle addressed :rolleyes:
thanks for proving his point....

for instance, if a player plays a lot of slices and things their opponent isn't used to, they may win just because of that technical superiority. what an opponent does during a match affects the game of the player...
case closed...
So, I guess what you're saying is that a player should go out there believing other players are actually better than them, huh??

As I see, then they come out defeated, and will definitely lose.

Just like Jankovic said, she believed she could win, and heck, she almost did. She obviously believes that her game is good enough, and maybe even better, to beat Serena. What's wrong with that??

What's wrong with believing in your own capabilities in that you are the best in the world, and that if you play at your full potential, no one will beat you??

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:02 AM
Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?
Well said. Why does he come on here and post straight out lies? All one has to do is read the whole interview intead of the bits and pieces that he seems to.

Wake up already and realize all players usually credit their opponets and all players usually have an excuse as to why they lost.

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:02 AM
So then why is it any different?! I mean....Serena can say: Maria played a great match, Lindsay played a great match....and then when asked: how did YOU play or how far along are you?! Then say well I had a bad day, I missed too many balls,etc...

Everybody says it, but who gets crucified?!

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:06 AM
this is exactly the attitude mboyle addressed :rolleyes:
thanks for proving his point....

for instance, if a player plays a lot of slices and things their opponent isn't used to, they may win just because of that technical superiority. what an opponent does during a match affects the game of the player...
case closed...
No the case isnt closed. You act as if its so black and white its not. Just like you said what one person does affect the other and then you so conviently seem to discount that what one does affects your own game! If youre tired or had a big fight with your boyfriend or having problems with your family or injured that affects your game just as your opponent does.

This subject is so tired its beyond belief. Every player at one time or another has given an excuse even after praising an opponent. there's nothing wrong with it.

The winner should be secure enough in the victory wihout praise from the loser.

faboozadoo15
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:08 AM
I thought the thread starters post about about Serena/Venus' excuses not their fans? :scratch:
correct! BUT it is the same attitude that was addressed, and that's all i said.
i think there are shades of gray on excuses, personally. sometimes i have issues with what a lot of players have to say about their opponents.

for instance, (rg) jenn spoke about myskina "changing the pace" of the ball as if it was some sort of underhanded tactic.

but serena fires off all sorts of things like "the impostor", "70 percent", "30 percent", "9000 notches below my level", and "suicide attempt". it really makes you feel like she could have been playing a 3 year old in her backyard and not a very good player who played a smart match.

but for the most part, all players have excuses, serena's just tend to nauseate me and make me roll my eyes just wishing she hadn't said what she just did.

griffin
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:09 AM
I offer Griff this observation: A player can INDEED "technically praise" her opponent, but then Imply: "If I was playing the way I normally do, I'd have won anyway".

Roger, you have an amazing grasp of the obvious. ;)

faboozadoo15
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:09 AM
So, I guess what you're saying is that a player should go out there believing other players are actually better than them, huh??

As I see, then they come out defeated, and will definitely lose.

Just like Jankovic said, she believed she could win, and heck, she almost did. She obviously believes that her game is good enough, and maybe even better, to beat Serena. What's wrong with that??

What's wrong with believing in your own capabilities in that you are the best in the world, and that if you play at your full potential, no one will beat you??
believing in yourself is one thing, butwhen a player beats you and plays a better match, you can address that and still feel you could win that matchup without downgrading your opponent by calling the match a "suicide attempt".

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:22 AM
believing in yourself is one thing, butwhen a player beats you and plays a better match, you can address that and still feel you could win that matchup without downgrading your opponent by calling the match a "suicide attempt".

Well...if you look at the matches she said this, then she was actually right. She was hitting her balls at the service-line against Maria and Lindsay and against players with that kind of power that IS suicide.

faboozadoo15
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:25 AM
Well...if you look at the matches she said this, then she was actually right. She was hitting her balls at the service-line against Maria and Lindsay and against players with that kind of power that IS suicide.
yea, but they were taking the first strike, pushing her behind the baseline and making her hit short... see how that works?
i understand she didn't play her best... bc then oif course she would never be broken :rolleyes: but to call 2 matches "suicide" when your opponents played much cleaner and hit more winners than you... is just a little ridiculous.

Venus Forever
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:17 AM
believing in yourself is one thing, butwhen a player beats you and plays a better match, you can address that and still feel you could win that matchup without downgrading your opponent by calling the match a "suicide attempt".
What Serena said had NOTHING to do with Lindsay, she was talking about HER OWN PERFORMANCE.

She was downgrading HERSELF, and NO ONE ELSE.

Seriously people, let's read what she actually said, and not draw our own conclusions of what you THINK she feels about another player.

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:39 AM
yea, but they were taking the first strike, pushing her behind the baseline and making her hit short... see how that works?
i understand she didn't play her best... bc then oif course she would never be broken :rolleyes: but to call 2 matches "suicide" when your opponents played much cleaner and hit more winners than you... is just a little ridiculous.


what is it now?! I thought it was all about what the other players did, now you´re saying of course Serena didn´t play well?! So she had something to say about the outcome of the match?! So what is it now?! I thought it was all about the other player when you lose?! :shrug:

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:37 AM
Again, hatin' on the Williams Sisters, and although I could go all out on this topic, I won't I'll mkae it short...

When the Williams Sisters lose, it's because they beat themselves, not because of their opponents fabulous play, because when an ON Williams Sister plays, they will beat anyone...Case Closed...
really...I disagree.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:41 AM
Ya know, if you ever bothered to read the entire interview after any given loss, you'd know you're full of it.

They do teach reading/research at that school you claim to have attended, don't they?
It is assumed that you are proficient at research by the time you enter the high-school. If you need extra help, there is a special English class designed to further your research/close reading skills. I wasn't enrolled in the class as it reiterated what was taught in the middle school.

I have read their full interviews. They are not as gracious as some claim. The majority of the time, they do say that their opponent played well, but that it wouldn't have mattered if Venus/Serena had played decently (not even well, decently.) Serena also discredits her opponents further by claiming "everyone steps it up against me," therefore implying that they aren't naturally that good, but are playing far above their normal game, but their beyond-A-game still isn't good enough to beat her.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:42 AM
what is it now?! I thought it was all about what the other players did, now you´re saying of course Serena didn´t play well?! So she had something to say about the outcome of the match?! So what is it now?! I thought it was all about the other player when you lose?! :shrug:
No it isn't. But it isn't all about you either.

Jericho
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:42 AM
What Serena said had NOTHING to do with Lindsay, she was talking about HER OWN PERFORMANCE.

She was downgrading HERSELF, and NO ONE ELSE.

Seriously people, let's read what she actually said, and not draw our own conclusions of what you THINK she feels about another player. Exactly! And btw, mboyle...i wonder how many threads you started that weren't related to Venus and Serena :o

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:42 AM
What Serena said had NOTHING to do with Lindsay, she was talking about HER OWN PERFORMANCE.

She was downgrading HERSELF, and NO ONE ELSE.

Seriously people, let's read what she actually said, and not draw our own conclusions of what you THINK she feels about another player.
Serena implys alot of things. Venus did say that she would have won the match in Stanford, however.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:44 AM
Well...if you look at the matches she said this, then she was actually right. She was hitting her balls at the service-line against Maria and Lindsay and against players with that kind of power that IS suicide.She was doing that because Lindsay/Maria were pummeling the ball deep and to the corners. Serena had little to do w/ the matches.

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Serena implys alot of things. Venus did say that she would have won the match in Stanford, however.

She probably would have. I don't know, Venus was very gracious after her loss to Karolina which was really heartbreaking for her (and me). Serena has also gotten a little better lately with crediting her opponents, especially after the French.

Sometimes I think the sisters take a lot of slack for telling the truth.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Again, hatin' on the Williams Sisters, and although I could go all out on this topic, I won't I'll mkae it short...

When the Williams Sisters lose, it's because they beat themselves, not because of their opponents fabulous play, because when an ON Williams Sister plays, they will beat anyone...Case Closed...
oh and an "on" Williams sister happens in about 5-10% of their combined matches, just as an "on" JHH or Capriati happens in 5% of their matches. Yes they are great "zone" players, but they seem to expect to be in the zone all the time.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:52 AM
She probably would have.I wouldn't have minded at all if Venus had said "I PROBABLY would have won." However, she said it as fact that she would have won, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. As Fabo....said, one might think Serena in particular had played an 8 year old junior by the way Serena talks after a loss. The problem is not that she is making excuses, but that she is so dramatic w/ her excuse making. I mean, Serena is a super cool woman, but she comes across as arrogant. I don't like arrogant people.

Jericho
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:53 AM
V. Williams Interview
Thursday, June 24, 2004


THE MODERATOR: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Present Venus Williams. Who would like to ask the first question?

Q. What happened? What went wrong for you?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I just think she played really well. She deserved to win.

Q. You had three set points in the second set, two set points in the first set. Is that painful?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, it's not a whole barrel of laughs. But I've had some great results in this tournament the last -- since 2000. Obviously, I would have loved to have done better. But it's impossible to be a winner or finalist every year. She played some good tennis.

Q. Are you aware of the situation on the point in the second -- in the tiebreaker? She served. Fault was called. The umpire then gave her a point. Yet she served from the same court. You both sort of stood around. Nothing happened.

VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah.

Q. It should have been 2-1, yours. It was 2-2.

VENUS WILLIAMS: It was very confusing, yes.

Q. Did you think about going to the umpire or saying something? You both looked a little confused but nobody said anything. Why didn't you question it?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Because sometimes I do lose track of the score, and I just felt that maybe -- maybe I had lost track again.

Q. Is it a question, the intensity of battle, you're so focused on what you're immediately doing, that kind of thing doesn't enter your head?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Right. I don't question a lot of calls. I just play and do my best at that point. And really, that's what I did at that point also.

Q. Did that nag you throughout the tiebreaker? Did you think something was wrong? Did that affect the way you approached the rest of the tiebreaker?

VENUS WILLIAMS: No, no.

Q. Are you not left with the impression that it made a difference?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, I'd like to think that one point doesn't make a difference. But, obviously, it was a wrong call, yes.

Q. You played Karolina before. You won in three sets. What did she do differently today?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I think she played just the same as she played the last time. The last time I was able to make a few more shots, and the bounce is very different on this court. But I think that's what she does, is come out against me. I guess she feels like she has nothing to lose. So she just plays her best.

Q. On grass, did the surface help her?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I think the ball just stayed really low. So I was always hitting from, it seemed, under the net instead of up higher.

Q. Did you see her play in the second round? Were you aware right then it was going to be a tough match considering what it was like in Berlin?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I was ready to play. I was ready to play. That's all.

Q. It was being suggested that you were not really focused these days because of outside interests. What do you say to that?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I work hard at everything I do.

Q. Outside interests do not have any effect on your play, your practice?

VENUS WILLIAMS: You know, I play tennis, but also am a normal person, so I do my best at everything.

Q. Does this make you think at all that it's time to change your tactics, to come into the net more, serve and volley here? A lot of people seem to think if you do that, you'd be unbeatable on grass.

VENUS WILLIAMS: Could be. But, I mean, it's so easy from the stands. Really, it is (smiling).

Q. What are you going to do tonight?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Haven't thought about it yet.

Q. The skirt, it was almost looking like yours. Did you notice?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I wasn't looking too hard at the skirt (smiling).

Q. Where is the state of your tennis game right now? I mean, obviously, you want to have a bunch of matches. You've had injuries. Is this a step in the process? Where is your tennis right now?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I feel like I was playing well. I definitely didn't hit all the shots that I wanted to hit. But even when I was down in the match, I always found a way to get back in. I just think I, you know -- sometimes it happens, you run into a player who plays very well.

Q. How is your wrist?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Doing good, thank you.

Q. In reference to the error in the calling of the score, has anything at all like this -- I mean, there was the small bead incident in the Australian Open when you were losing beads, but that doesn't really apply. But can you think of any other incident that possibly related to this in your career or, for that matter, anyone in women's tennis.

VENUS WILLIAMS: No, usually, if the score is called wrong, usually the umpire catches himself normally.

Q. Do you think you'll reflect on this and fault yourself for trying to do anything differently than you did?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Not really, because at the time, I did my best. That's all, basically.

Q. The way it turns out in the tiebreak is, she had just served the one point. It's actually 2-1 for you. She just ended up just serving the one point on that side and made it, they said, was 3-2. Then you both went to the side you thought was right. Then you ended up going back over to the other side and you serving after she just basically served from one side. I guess that was all part of the confusion?

VENUS WILLIAMS: That's pretty much what happened, yeah.

Q. You had no instinct at any point to question it?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Yes, but I just didn't want to lose my focus. And a lot of times, like I said, I just felt that maybe I had lost track. I couldn't be sure. But it did seem -- I thought I remembered her only having one serve, but then again, you know, it's a long time ago now, so...

Q. You have all the attributes. But do you still want it anymore? Are you hungry for it? Or are you just playing for fun now?

VENUS WILLIAMS: What do you think?

Q. You just were so...

VENUS WILLIAMS: I don't know. I think you should just write what you think. But I fought very hard. Even if I'm well or not well or injured or have had setbacks, I still did very, very well. Unfortunately, this won't be my event, but I'll be ready for the next one.

Q. What's your frame of mind now? Are you angry? Disappointed? Determined?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I just think from here I need to figure out what I did wrong and not make the same mistake twice.

Q. Do you think you will start paying close attention to the score in your future matches?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I always do. I always do. But I'm not an arguer either. If the ball's called in or out, I stay with the call unless it's on clay. Other than that, I just let the umpires and the -- I guess do their jobs, pretty much so...

Like I said, I don't think one call makes a match. I feel like I had some opportunities there, and it's unfortunate but I'll learn from it.

Q. Will you watch a replay of the match?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Guess I should, huh?

Q. Would you like to?

VENUS WILLIAMS: (Smiling). Like I said, I should.

Q. Do you think people in the locker room look at you now and think you're vulnerable?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I think that -- I guess I'm not really thinking about what the next person thinks. I only really care about what I think. And I think, like I said, I thought I was playing very well at this event. She just came out and felt like she had nothing to lose, which, you know, she played -- plays me like that. And, hopefully, she'll be able to do well for herself.

Q. Basically, you're still trying to gain height. I mean, coming back from injury. But how long do you think it will take to get to your optimum best, I mean, coming from this injury spell?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I feel good. To sum it up, I feel good. I mean, obviously, I started to play better I guess during the clay court season. Then I got another injury. So also I felt like I was playing very well at this event. But just like last year, you see defending champion, sometimes it happens. Sometimes you don't always win. So I just feel like, you know, I'm going to find out what went wrong, what didn't go right, what I did right. Do it like that.

Q. I mean coming back from injury, there's a physical and mental side to -- I mean, for you to come back. Do you think you've attained both, or it will take a little while? That's exactly what I want to know. Which is more difficult? Is it the mental side that's not up to par yet or is it the physical side? Practice is different, match play is different. You're just coming back?

VENUS WILLIAMS: It's all important to be a complete player. It's all very important.

Q. When people say this woman is in a "decline" now, would you agree with that?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I think that's pretty harsh.

Q. Do you feel as dominant as when you were at the height, whatever that moment was in your career, where you felt like you could beat anybody? Do you still feel that way when you step on a court? Do you feel exactly the same as you always did?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I feel like when I step out on the court, that the person playing me has to really believe that they can win against me. It's going to be very tough.

Q. So disregarding what other people might think in the locker room, what do you think about going a year without making even the semifinals of a major?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, it's been a little while. I enjoy playing. I enjoy my life. I enjoy all the blessings that I receive. I think there's so many people who would love to be in my position. So I'll take advantage of it and keep enjoying it.

Q. Does having the other stuff, the fashion and you and Serena, you know, the celebrity status you have now, help to ease the pain of a loss like this, knowing that you've got other things going on?

VENUS WILLIAMS: No loss is fun - at all.

Berlin_Calling
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:54 AM
just another thread created to cause drama...

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:55 AM
Boy, this is the biggest piece of Bullshit that I have ever read.

I can quote COUNTLESS times of where the Williams sisters have remarked about how well their opponent was playing, and COUNTLESS times of where the losing player blamed something in their own game as to why they lost (which I have already done after Wimbledon.)

Give it up already, ALL THE PLAYERS HAVE EXCUSES.
An excuse is one thing. I have no qualms w/ blaming a loss on a technical deficiency. My problem is claiming that you would definately, without a doubt emerged victorious if your technical difficulty hadn't occured. The sisters are the only players I have observed do this. Perhaps there are others (I suspect so,) but I just wanted to state my opinion as to why they are singled out.

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:56 AM
I wouldn't have minded at all if Venus had said "I PROBABLY would have won." However, she said it as fact that she would have won, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. As Fabo....said, one might think Serena in particular had played an 8 year old junior by the way Serena talks after a loss. The problem is not that she is making excuses, but that she is so dramatic w/ her excuse making. I mean, Serena is a super cool woman, but she comes across as arrogant. I don't like arrogant people.

Super cool & arrogant? :lol:

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Venus was gracious as possible in that particular interview. I have never denied that Venus is a very classy woman.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:59 AM
Super cool & arrogant? :lol:
yes, that isn't contradictory at all. One can be an awesome person and still have faults, or are your friends perfect w/o flaws?

Dave B
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:00 AM
...but serena fires off all sorts of things like "the impostor", "70 percent", "30 percent", "9000 notches below my level", and "suicide attempt". it really makes you feel like she could have been playing a 3 year old in her backyard...

Agreed. I certaintly like honesty from a player when they were not playing up to their potential, but this proverbial percent, notches, tennis game in need of zoloft stuff is a little over dramatic and rude. I don't understand why Serena can't just keep it short and say she wasn't playing to her full potential, etc. Then again, quotations like this are what make her such an interesting character and fun to pay attention to, like her or not.

Other players sometimes take this too far as well (all the time actually), and the WS's do get more heat for it than others. However, I would say this has a lot to do with the attention and coverage they recieve as stars. When Osterloh lost, nobody was racing to get an interview with her, or paste her words on here for discussion. All players slip up and say things they shouldn't, but becasue the WS's are so high profile it is a bigger deal when they do it then say Marissa Irvin. I feel bad for the WS and all the heat they recieve, but I would bet most players would take this extra heat for those GS trophies :devil: . In the end they are both amazing talents with the results to prove it. What they say, rude or not, and our reactions to it, fair or unfair, won't change that.

thelittlestelf
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:21 AM
yes, that isn't contradictory at all. One can be an awesome person and still have faults, or are your friends perfect w/o flaws?

No, my friends have flaws but being arrogant is not one of them :).

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 08:02 AM
mboyle has nothing better to do than speak shit over and over.

you would think that there are players he actually likes out there...but no, obsessive to the full about the WS.

get a life little boy :rolleyes:

Venus Forever
Jul 29th, 2004, 10:56 AM
An excuse is one thing. I have no qualms w/ blaming a loss on a technical deficiency. My problem is claiming that you would definately, without a doubt emerged victorious if your technical difficulty hadn't occured. The sisters are the only players I have observed do this. Perhaps there are others (I suspect so,) but I just wanted to state my opinion as to why they are singled out.
Oh, so we're here because they think they are the greatest??

KILL THEM NOW!! HURRY UP, GET THE GUNS!!

Give me a break, they are confident in their own abilities, and in their own abilities to win. WHAT TOP PLAYER ISN'T?!?!

boggs570
Jul 29th, 2004, 11:57 AM
It is assumed that you are proficient at research by the time you enter the high-school. If you need extra help, there is a special English class designed to further your research/close reading skills. I wasn't enrolled in the class as it reiterated what was taught in the middle school.

I have read their full interviews. They are not as gracious as some claim. The majority of the time, they do say that their opponent played well, but that it wouldn't have mattered if Venus/Serena had played decently (not even well, decently.) Serena also discredits her opponents further by claiming "everyone steps it up against me," therefore implying that they aren't naturally that good, but are playing far above their normal game, but their beyond-A-game still isn't good enough to beat her.

Serena is right everyone does step it up when they play the sisters. Prime example..Sprem why did she go after Lindsay like she did Venus at Wimbeldon. You guys hate it when the sisters speak the truth but when other players talk their crap no one complains. Give me a frigging break and be fair when it comes to V&S.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:41 PM
It is assumed that you are proficient at research by the time you enter the high-school. If you need extra help, there is a special English class designed to further your research/close reading skills. I wasn't enrolled in the class as it reiterated what was taught in the middle school.

I have read their full interviews. They are not as gracious as some claim. The majority of the time, they do say that their opponent played well, but that it wouldn't have mattered if Venus/Serena had played decently (not even well, decently.) Serena also discredits her opponents further by claiming "everyone steps it up against me," therefore implying that they aren't naturally that good, but are playing far above their normal game, but their beyond-A-game still isn't good enough to beat her.
Whatever. I guess you discount the fact that all players usually "step it up" against top players. you know like how players step it up when they play fed cup for their country.

You are just looking for any excuse to bash the williams sisters. They dont say anything different than any other player but because you have some abnormal hatred for them you nit pick. Its really said and crumbles any crediblity you think you have.

Its really laughable.

LindsayRulez
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Venus and Serena (I usually don't talk about them together, but this is one of the few exceptions) confuse me when it comes to them losing matches. They seem very cordial and respectful to the person at net (usually) but then when they give interviews, they said that if they hadn't hit so many errors, or played at 30%, etc. then they would have won. Doesn't that go for anyone though? Then again, I notice that they are giving credit to their opponents more often now which is very nice to see.

faboozadoo15
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:29 PM
what is it now?! I thought it was all about what the other players did, now you´re saying of course Serena didn´t play well?! So she had something to say about the outcome of the match?! So what is it now?! I thought it was all about the other player when you lose?! :shrug:
not completely. she only controls her serve, and it wasn't her best serving day. that's something the opponent has significantly less say on. she never really got the rhythm on her serve and even that was partially due to maria and lindsay returning them so well from the get-go.

roarke
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:56 PM
Why complain at all, that should be the question? They are not the only ones pulling out of tournaments even at the last minute! They are the only ones however who are constantly ripped and dragged through broken glass if they dare to say they played less than they should or pull out of a match for whatever reason they may choose to give. Even if Serena and Venus came on the court bloodied and bruised with one eye each hanging by a mere thread, people who hate them would still think what they will about them and still say nasty things anyway. The evidence could smack these "haters" in the face and yet they would deny it. These same people would demand that since they have one good eye each they should play. If they happen to lose such a match well God forbid, they are not allowed to say they couldn't see because of the torn eye and the blood loss.

Experimentee
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Anyone who claims the Williams sisters dont praise their opponents when they lose is lying or just cant be bothered to read beyond media reports :rolleyes:
They always say that their opponents played well, but sometimes just say things like they arent playing their best. Its possible for both things to happen at the same time, contrary to what some posters here believe.
And its simply not true that no other player says similar things. There are other players who do make worse comments than the Williams sisters, for example Dokic talks about her bad play in the same way, but also actively puts down her opponent by saying things like 'shes not a player' or 'she only hit 3 winners'. And people say shes only speaking the truth, but cant handle it when the Williams sisters speak the truth without actively putting down their opponent.

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:10 PM
Why complain at all, that should be the question? They are not the only ones pulling out of tournaments even at the last minute! They are the only ones however who are constantly ripped and dragged through broken glass if they dare to say they played less than they should or pull out of a match for whatever reason they may choose to give. Even if Serena and Venus came on the court bloodied and bruised with one eye each hanging by a mere thread, people who hate them would still think what they will about them and still say nasty things anyway. The evidence could smack these "haters" in the face and yet they would deny it. These same people would demand that since they have one good eye each they should play. If they happen to lose such a match well God forbid, they are not allowed to say they couldn't see because of the torn eye and the blood loss.


Tjaaa.....

bandabou
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Anyone who claims the Williams sisters dont praise their opponents when they lose is lying or just cant be bothered to read beyond media reports :rolleyes:
They always say that their opponents played well, but sometimes just say things like they arent playing their best. Its possible for both things to happen at the same time, contrary to what some posters here believe.
And its simply not true that no other player says similar things. There are other players who do make worse comments than the Williams sisters, for example Dokic talks about her bad play in the same way, but also actively puts down her opponent by saying things like 'shes not a player' or 'she only hit 3 winners'. And people say shes only speaking the truth, but cant handle it when the Williams sisters speak the truth without actively putting down their opponent.


ssshhh.....

Experimentee
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:12 PM
It is assumed that you are proficient at research by the time you enter the high-school. If you need extra help, there is a special English class designed to further your research/close reading skills. I wasn't enrolled in the class as it reiterated what was taught in the middle school.

I have read their full interviews. They are not as gracious as some claim. The majority of the time, they do say that their opponent played well, but that it wouldn't have mattered if Venus/Serena had played decently (not even well, decently.) Serena also discredits her opponents further by claiming "everyone steps it up against me," therefore implying that they aren't naturally that good, but are playing far above their normal game, but their beyond-A-game still isn't good enough to beat her.

Everyone does step it up against them. You must be naive if you think that everyone isnt out to get the top player. Players see Serena as 'the one to beat', many of them have even said that themselves.

Helen Lawson
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:36 PM
We never had the Williams sisters in Hollywood, but we had Joan Fontaine and Olivia de Havilland. They created just as much controversy, especially when they stopped speaking to each other in '43. They still don't speak, and they speak POORLY about each other, too. I like Fontaine a lot more, she tells good, dirty jokes and is a "real broad" like me. De Havilland is little Miss Priss with her two Oscars and all and living in France like the dowager Melanie Hamilton herself or something, like she didn't tramp around Hollywood and claw her way to the top the hard way just like everyone else.

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:17 PM
mboyle has nothing better to do than speak shit over and over.

you would think that there are players he actually likes out there...but no, obsessive to the full about the WS.

get a life little boy :rolleyes:
I believe I would be in the hospital if I were deficating through my mouth as opposed to my anus:tape: . I think Venus and Serena are fine. I don't hate them at all. I hate their fans with a burning and fiery passion, but the sisters I don't mind at all. I really like Venus, in fact. Oh, and I am not little, but apparently that can't penetrate through the void between your ears.

Venus Forever
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:24 PM
I believe I would be in the hospital if I were deficating through my mouth as opposed to my anus:tape: . I think Venus and Serena are fine. I don't hate them at all. I hate their fans with a burning and fiery passion, but the sisters I don't mind at all. I really like Venus, in fact. Oh, and I am not little, but apparently that can't penetrate through the void between your ears.
:tape:

Another BS post.

I don't know, but it seems to me that person who claims to actually like someone wouldn't be trying to talking trash about them, and starting trouble about them when they know very well that others are looking for the ammunition.

If you like them, and you still treat them this way, I would HATE to be your friend, because I can definitely see you backstabbing everyone in sight.