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lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:02 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I didn't see this coming.


All of you who were complaining about Venus and her special seeds, at least when she had it in tournametns like this, she could get past the second round.

Wigglesworth
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:03 PM
GREAT!!!!! Always knew she was overated. :lol:

azza
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Alicia :bowdown:

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Not surprising. Mauresmo finally has a chance in her career to be no. 1. Sorry to her fans, but she was obviously going to get tight w/ such a chance. Lindsay is gonna be the new no. 2, baby:bounce: .

Shenanigans
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:04 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I didn't see this coming.


All of you who were complaining about Venus and her special seeds, at least when she had it in tournametns like this, she could get past the second round.


So Amelie has a special seeding?

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:05 PM
So Amelie has a special seeding?
No, but if Venus had not run out of her special seedings, she would have been seeded number two here.

Spunky83
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:05 PM
Well done Alicia!
Amelie...what the heck were you doing?!?

Atrixo
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Indeed, a huge upset by Alicia! I'd expected Amelie to go far in this tournament. Well, tennis is unpredictable, and some players more so than others. :shrug:

Shenanigans
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Not surprising. Mauresmo finally has a chance in her career to be no. 1. Sorry to her fans, but she was obviously going to get tight w/ such a chance. Lindsay is gonna be the new no. 2, baby:bounce: .


She is allowed an occasional bad result now and then considering she went from wimbledon to playing fed cup on clay and then had a break, I am not surprised she lost.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Congratulations Alica. But I really never expected this. I guess she choked again. Just pure speculation though. I haven't seen the match.....

alexusjonesfan
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:08 PM
:crying2: Amelie

I bet Alicia wishes this match'd taken place at the AO ;)

Doc
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Tremendous win for Alicia!

Her serve was virtually unbreakable all match. The few breaks of serve decided the match. An overdue breakthrough.

fleemke³
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Alicia :eek::)

Momo ... auch :o

Spunky83
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Who Actually Watched That Match At All???

GermanBoy
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:09 PM
BANG! :eek: :eek: :eek:


I am so proud of ya, Alicia! Well done! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Venus Forever
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:09 PM
Alicia :banana: :bounce: :yippee: :eek:

Shenanigans
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Congratulations Alica. But I really never expected this. I guess she choked again. Just pure speculation though. I haven't seen the match.....


Why the hell would she choke in a 2nd round match, excited at the thought of beating Alicia and making the 3rd round.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Who Actually Watched That Match At All???We're not watching it in America. I think coverage on the Tennis Channel starts tomorrow.

justine&coria
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:10 PM
What a great way for becoming the 2nd ranked player in the world !!

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:11 PM
Why the hell would she choke in a 2nd round match, excited at the thought of beating Alicia and making the 3rd round.

If she would have won the tournament she would have gotten a chance of becoming number 1 in the world... And I didn't say she choked though. I just bring it as a possible reason for her loss...

Doc
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:13 PM
I listened to the commentary on tennisradio.com. The play seemed quite high quality. Very serve dominated as you would expect. Alicia was better on 2nd serve and attacked Mauresmos 2nds to gain the breaks.

azza
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Alicia 66 Quality points :aparty: Now please beat Amy Frazier :unsure:

GermanBoy
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Alicia 66 Quality points :aparty: Now please beat Amy Frazier :unsure:
:lol: That shouldn`t be a problem at all! :cool:

MinnyGophers
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:14 PM
i'm not at all surprised she lost.
she has been chaining up games after games since wimbledon, with the fed cup and all.
I hope now she has time to rest up and get ready for the next part.

Doc
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:15 PM
If she would have won the tournament she would have gotten a chance of becoming number 1 in the world... And I didn't say she choked though. I just bring it as a possible reason for her loss...

Momo wasn't in a position to choke. She wasn't ahead for very much of the match, only early in the first. She got a break ahead in the 2nd, and stayed ahead to hold the set.

azza
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:17 PM
:lol: That shouldn`t be a problem at all! :cool:
Amys been playing like theres no tomorow the past 3 weeks... :o

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Momo wasn't in a position to choke. She wasn't ahead for very much of the match, only early in the first. She got a break ahead in the 2nd, and stayed ahead to hold the set.

As I said before, I didn't watch the match, so my first reaction after her loss was that she might have choked. I never said she really did choke...

silverwhite
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:21 PM
Alicia :)

foreva lindsay
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:22 PM
:eek: momo!!!

XaDavK_Kapri
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:23 PM
Wow, I didn't see that one coming! :eek: Amélie :sad: Damn it...

But I'm kinda happy for Alicia :)

St.Sebastian
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:24 PM
Alicia, well done :yeah:

Andrew.
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Not a shock to me. She was very flat in doubles yesterday, and making way too many errors.

Momo :(

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:27 PM
Idiotic post from LizChris.

And yes, Mauresmo is allotted a few bad results in a year, no? Besides, she always does well in Canada and I expect her to round into form there again.

charmedRic
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:30 PM
I LOVE this game :D

faboozadoo15
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:33 PM
:lol: That shouldn`t be a problem at all! :cool:
you're kidding, right??? :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:38 PM
:devil: Lindsay has a great chance for #2 in the World!!!! Will be interesting to see how the US Open will handle all of this! Do they DARE seed Lindsay #5??? (After Hardenne, Clijsters, Williams, Williams) :eek:

fammmmedspin
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:47 PM
No, but if Venus had not run out of her special seedings, she would have been seeded number two here.
wasn't she seeded two when the real number two was not playing? You may be right and it only meant number 2s called Kim but I don't recall it that way.

The point of the thread is odd. Venus hasn't got a high real ranking so there was a question whether she deserved her special seeding - a debate which made more sense after number 5 when the continuation of the seeding was meant to reflect performance the first 4 times it was used.

Players fail to reach their seeded positions all the time but that doesn't matter as the seeding reflects their 52 week ranking not an assessment of if they are playing well enough at the time.

raquel
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:47 PM
Well done Alicia :) Hope this is a real breakthrough for her. I saw her play Amelie at the Australian Open and I think she lost 7-5, 7-5 or something - she could have won it, she just came up short mentally on the big points that day. She has come up a little short against top 10 players this year, narrowly losing to Nastya first round at RG and losing a couple of close ones to Sveta so I am glad she pulled it off today :yeah:

griffin
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:54 PM
:rolleyes: at lizchris' extraneous comments.

Great win, Alicia - looks like you and Momo gave the crowd their money's worth!

Darop.
Jul 28th, 2004, 10:59 PM
:banana:

tterb
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:01 PM
Amelie :crying2: :sad: :bigcry:

Sounds like a good match, though! :lick: Better luck next tournament. No shame in losing a tough three setter to a quality player like Alicia in your first match on hardcourts in a while.

Alicia :clap2: :D

It was about time for a breakthrough win! She's had several close matches with top players this year, so it's nice to see her pull one out. Good luck in the next round... It should be a tough battle with Amy. But if that serve is clicking... :eek:

Nice step towards the top 20. Keep it up! :)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:02 PM
:devil: Lindsay has a great chance for #2 in the World!!!! Will be interesting to see how the US Open will handle all of this! Do they DARE seed Lindsay #5??? (After Hardenne, Clijsters, Williams, Williams) :eek:

They CANNOT seed Justine, Venus or Kim higher than they will be ranked (unless the USO adjust their seeds which they never do). And depending on how much more Serena plays, she won't get the special seeding either.

tenn_ace
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Amelie :mad: :rolleyes:

mousee
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:10 PM
she won bc i didnt bet
momo :sad:

Rocketta
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:30 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I didn't see this coming.


All of you who were complaining about Venus and her special seeds, at least when she had it in tournametns like this, she could get past the second round.
Why did you have to make this thread about Venus? :confused:

Not good. :tape:

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:41 PM
Wow....Leopard was right in his fear for the draw!! Nice win for Alicia....sounds like the serve´s plenty good.

*JR*
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:50 PM
Between Marion, Momo, And Actual Suissie, Some Krazy Karma for .ch residents this Summer Season. :eek:

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:53 PM
Why did you have to make this thread about Venus? :confused:

Not good. :tape:
Because eventually her name (or Serena's) would have come up. I think you have been on this board long enough to figure that out.

Sonja
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:53 PM
Congratulations Alicia!

Come on Amélie pick it up and learn from this! :(

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:54 PM
They CANNOT seed Justine, Venus or Kim higher than they will be ranked (unless the USO adjust their seeds which they never do). And depending on how much more Serena plays, she won't get the special seeding either.
Serena will get a special seeding for the US Open; Venus shouldn't get one and I hope she doesn't.

Rocketta
Jul 28th, 2004, 11:56 PM
Because eventually her name (or Serena's) would have come up. I think you have been on this board long enough to figure that out.:lol: so you have to beat them to the punch, huh? Your first post made it seem like the only reason you posted it was to say nah nah nah at least Venus isn't doing this bad. :( That's how it came across to me at least.

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:02 AM
About time she pulled off a "big" win in a WTA Tourney, Congrats Molik! :D :woohoo:

broncosven
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:17 AM
Yah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go Alicia !!!!

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:20 AM
:lol: so you have to beat them to the punch, huh? Your first post made it seem like the only reason you posted it was to say nah nah nah at least Venus isn't doing this bad. :( That's how it came across to me at least.
Actually, my orginal point of the post is to say that a top seed lost to a player I didn't think she would lose to.

Now that you bring up Venus, there are people who say her season is disappointing and that she sucks, but I think there are people ranked lower than her who were not injured that would trade places with her in a minute.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:26 AM
Serena will get a special seeding for the US Open; Venus shouldn't get one and I hope she doesn't.

Serena has played Miami, Amelia Island, Charleston, Rome, LA and San Diego. If she plays New Haven and Canada, then she doesn't get a special seeding for the USO. I don't think that is likely, but that is why I wrote "depending on how much more she plays".

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:30 AM
Serena has played Miami, Amelia Island, Charleston, Rome, LA and San Diego. If she plays New Haven and Canada, then she doesn't get a special seeding for the USO. I don't think that is likely, but that is why I wrote "depending on how much more she plays".All but the US Open are WTA events; the US Open, as well as the other three Grand Slams are run by the ITF, who can base their seedings on recommendations from the WTA. Chances are that Serena will get a special seeding if she does well at the Acura Classic and in Montreal (Serena had made no indication that she is playing in New Haven and the Pilot Pen organizers don't expect her, her sister or Jennifer to attend).

Plus, you would have a hard time explaining to Serena why she doesn't get a special seeding while in 2002, Lindsay, who came off of an injury like she did, was given one.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:32 AM
All but the US Open are WTA events; the US Open, as well as the other three Grand Slams are run by the ITF, who can base their seedings on recommendations from the WTA. Chances are that Serena will get a special seeding if she does well at the Acura Classic and in Montreal (Serena had made no indication that she is playing in New Haven and the Pilot Pen organizers don't expect her, her sister or Jennifer to attend).

LizChris, please don't explain the rankings to me. I know them better than you.

Serena's special seeding elapses after 8 wta tournaments. She's on six right now. Canada and New Haven would make 8, and the USO would not specially seed her if her special seeding no longer applies as they never touch the rankings unless the WTA has assigned someone a special seeding.

And ONCE AGAIN, I said depending on how much she plays. I DO NOT expect her to play both of those events I mentioned, BUT SHE MIGHT. Ok?

petey_pan
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:35 AM
ALICIA! WOOOOHOOOOO what an awesome win... bout time too! I'm glad it was close coz it shows Amelie wasnt playing that bad Alicia just outplayed her on the day which is awesome. Good luck against Amy will be another tough match but you can do it babe! :worship:

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:37 AM
LizChris, please don't explain the rankings to me. I know them better than you.

Serena's special seeding elapses after 8 wta tournaments. She's on six right now. Canada and New Haven would make 8, and the USO would not specially seed her if her special seeding no longer applies as they never touch the rankings unless the WTA has assigned someone a special seeding.

And ONCE AGAIN, I said depending on how much she plays. I DO NOT expect her to play both of those events I mentioned, BUT SHE MIGHT. Ok?
And you don't have to explain special seedings or the rules of the USO to me because I know them just as well as you do. I also know her sechedule, which is posted on her website http://www.serenawilliams.com . The rest of her summer is Montreal, Olympics and the USO. Since tennis in the Olympics ends the same day as the Pilot Pen starts (8/22/04), I highlyn doubt she could be in two places at the same time if she is in medal contention.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:42 AM
And you don't have to explain special seedings or the rules of the USO to me because I know them just as well as you do. I also know her sechedule, which is posted on her website http://www.serenawilliams.com . The rest of her summer is Montreal, Olympics and the USO. Since tennis in the Olympics ends the same day as the Pilot Pen starts (8/22/04), I highlyn doubt she could be in two places at the same time if she is in medal contention.

Right, because the top players always play on the first day of a tournament.

AND AGAIN, I DO NOT THINK SHE WILL PLAY. I WAS JUST STATING THE POSSIBLITY. IS THIS CLEAR?

And I really think I did have to state the rules of the special seeding and the USO. You don't seem to be picking up on very much.

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:51 AM
Right, because the top players always play on the first day of a tournament.

AND AGAIN, I DO NOT THINK SHE WILL PLAY. I WAS JUST STATING THE POSSIBLITY. IS THIS CLEAR?

And I really think I did have to state the rules of the special seeding and the USO. You don't seem to be picking up on very much.
I know the damn rules, what you are fixated on is that she MIGHT play at Pilot Pen, even though it is highly doubtful she will.

Again, if Lindsay got in in 2002 after being out for one month longer than Serena, I think she may get one too. But it is up to the WTA, USTA and ITF.

Kabezya
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Congrats Alicia :)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:16 AM
I know the damn rules, what you are fixated on is that she MIGHT play at Pilot Pen, even though it is highly doubtful she will.

Again, if Lindsay got in in 2002 after being out for one month longer than Serena, I think she may get one too. But it is up to the WTA, USTA and ITF.

LizChris, what in the holy name of hell are you talking about? Lindsay was seeded at USO 2002 because the WTA had given her a special seeding, the same reason Serena got her corresponding seed at the French and Wimbledon. Why are you talking about the length of time they were out? All that matters is that they missed 6 consecutive months.

You say you understand the rules but you have yet to prove it.

AND I AM NOT FIXATED ON WHETHER SHE WILL PLAY THE PILOT PEN! ALL I SAID IS THAT IF SHE DOES, WHICH I DON'T THINK SHE WILL, THAT WILL END HER SEEDING PRIVILEGES. IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Doc
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:16 AM
Molik knocks Mauresmo out

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040725/2/q1wl.html

Australian Alicia Molik stunned second seed Amelie Mauresmo 7-5 3-6 6-3 to go through to the third round of the $US1.3 million ($A1.86 million) Acura Classic.

Playing her first match on hardcourts after reaching the Wimbledon semi-finals at the start of the month, the Frenchwoman was overpowered by Molik, who served well and shone at the net.

Molik, ranked No.29 in the world, was down 3-0 in the first set but rebounded with a break to put scores back on serve at 5-4.

Down a set point in the tenth game, Molik served an ace, won the game and finished off the set.

Mauresmo won the second set after winning the first three games, but Molik started the third set by taking a 3-0 lead with the decisive break in the second game.

Molik lost just two points on her five service games in the last set, including none in her last three.

Despite the defeat, world number three Mauresmo will leapfrog number two Kim Clijsters in the world rankings on Monday.

The Belgian, who reached the final here last year, has not played since April due to a wrist injury.

However, world number four Anastasia Myskina and number five Lindsay Davenport can both pass Mauresmo and Clijsters should they advance deep into this week's tournament.

Mase
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:26 AM
:lol: That shouldn`t be a problem at all! :cool:
I dunno Alex, Amy is also playing inspiring tennis right now.. ;)

Vincent
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:32 AM
Congrats Alicia! :wavey:

Doc
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:35 AM
Thursday July 29, 09:48 AM

CARLSBAD, Calif. - Alicia Molik used a dominating serve to upset second-seeded Amelie Mauresmo 7-5, 3-6, 6-3 Wednesday in the second round of the Acura Classic.


Molik, unseeded and ranked 29th in the world, overcame Mauresmo in the third set by using her strong serve to control play, losing just two points on her five service games and none in the last three.


"I was impressed with the way I served it out," Molik said. "Forget the match. To serve it out at love against someone like Mauresmo, I think I can pat myself on the back."

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:43 AM
OMFG ALICIA IM SO PROUD!!!!!!! :banana: :aparty: :D :D :worship:
this doesnt surprise me at all alicia has been getting close to top players it was only a matter of time before she broke through

omg im too happy for words :D

WSfan
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:45 AM
Oh man.... that's a huge dissapointment!! I was hoping for MOMO to win!!! hm...

Leo_DFP
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:55 AM
No, but if Venus had not run out of her special seedings, she would have been seeded number two here.There's no guarantee that Venus would have beaten Molik today, who has some serious game and a powerful serve. And, so what that Mauresmo had one early round loss? At least she's beaten several other top ten players this year and has reached a Slam semifinal!

Oooh, big chance for Davenport this week to be #2 in the world! It's especially important because that would help her seeding so much at the US Open. It's Davenport's last tournament this summer that could affect her USO seeding, since New Haven is the week before the Open and therefore any ranking changes that occur after that event make no difference on the seedings of the last Major of the year. The only reason I worry about Lindsay's seeding is that the Williams sisters will probably both be given Top 4 seedings (although Venus is yet to prove that she truly deserves to use her protected ranking) because of their Flushing history, so if she is still ranked below Mauresmo and Myskina, she could be robbed of a Top 4 seeding for her fourth straight Grand Slam event (she'd be #5 once again, most likely). And then who knows what the seedings would be if the Belgians play, although I doubt that either one will be healthy enough to show up and try.

Now that I'm down rambling, congrats Alicia on a strong win; better luck next week in Canada, Amelie; and kick some Sprem ass tonight, Lindsay, because then your road should be clear until the semis, at least! :D :bounce:

njguido11
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Damn Amy would have beat her and got the bonus pts.

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:06 AM
Damn Amy would have beat her and got the bonus pts.
:rolleyes: absolute ignorance
im not gona let ppl like u spoil alicias win :bounce: :D :D :D

GoSandrine
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:08 AM
post Wimbledon hangover :sad: :sad: :sad:

Congrats to Alicia though. Great win for her. :worship:

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:11 AM
There's no guarantee that Venus would have beaten Molik today, who has some serious game and a powerful serve. And, so what that Mauresmo had one early round loss? At least she's beaten several other top ten players this year and has reached a Slam semifinal!

Oooh, big chance for Davenport this week to be #2 in the world! It's especially important because that would help her seeding so much at the US Open. It's Davenport's last tournament this summer that could affect her USO seeding, since New Haven is the week before the Open and therefore any ranking changes that occur after that event make no difference on the seedings of the last Major of the year. The only reason I worry about Lindsay's seeding is that the Williams sisters will probably both be given Top 4 seedings (although Venus is yet to prove that she truly deserves to use her protected ranking) because of their Flushing history, so if she is still ranked below Mauresmo and Myskina, she could be robbed of a Top 4 seeding for her fourth straight Grand Slam event (she'd be #5 once again, most likely). And then who knows what the seedings would be if the Belgians play, although I doubt that either one will be healthy enough to show up and try.

Now that I'm down rambling, congrats Alicia on a strong win; better luck next week in Canada, Amelie; and kick some Sprem ass tonight, Lindsay, because then your road should be clear until the semis, at least! :D :bounce:

Venus would not have faced Molik as she would have been on the top half of the draw.

I highly doubt Venus will get a special ranking, but depedning on who shows up and her ranking the week before, she may get a top ten seeding, but not a special seeding. Serena will probably get a special seeding because she will only have played seven WTA tournament up to that date and if she reached the final at San Diego and Montreal, she would make a good case for getting the special seeding.

Dan23
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:11 AM
Great win Alicia :yeah:
Very impressive!

Ekkekko
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:14 AM
Congratulations to you, Molik...
Better showing from you the next time around, MoMo.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:33 AM
Venus would not have faced Molik as she would have been on the top half of the draw.

I highly doubt Venus will get a special ranking, but depedning on who shows up and her ranking the week before, she may get a top ten seeding, but not a special seeding. Serena will probably get a special seeding because she will only have played seven WTA tournament up to that date and if she reached the final at San Diego and Montreal, she would make a good case for getting the special seeding.

LizChris, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. And LOL at you telling me you did.

Nastyafan
Jul 29th, 2004, 02:43 AM
WOOOOHOOO Congrats Alicia:bounce:
You were deserving a win like that for quite a while :yeah:

And now Nastya's chances for #1 look much better:angel:

Vut
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:21 AM
:eek: Alicia

xr6turbo
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:25 AM
:woohoo: Go Alicia!!!

mboyle
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:27 AM
Why the hell would she choke in a 2nd round match, excited at the thought of beating Alicia and making the 3rd round.
no, the thought of being no. 1 obviously.

Chunchun
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:53 AM
:eek: :eek: it's just SHOCKING

Hayato
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:13 AM
:eek: Go Alicia!

broncosven
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:02 AM
Go Alicia !!!

tennisIlove09
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:11 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: this is totally shocking. Congrats Alicia!

esquímaux
Jul 29th, 2004, 06:36 AM
Gosh Amelie http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/33.gif....Congratz Alicia :yeah:

Vass22
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:23 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I didn't see this coming.


All of you who were complaining about Venus and her special seeds, at least when she had it in tournametns like this, she could get past the second round.
You! Stop talking about Venus, alright? Mauresmo is got the seeding according to her rankings, so why talk of Venus's special seeding?


Momo, what's wrong? Good job Molik though.

Nemesis
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:26 AM
Amelie :sad:

The only positive thing for me is that she doesn't come too close to JuJu in the rankings ... Only Linds is an immediate treath now.

Kirt12255
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:35 AM
:wavey: WTG Alicia!!!!! I posted before the French that Alicia was about to break through...it's been on the cards all year. Her mental attitude has been the most impressive thing for me...and possibly out-psyched herself on many occasions. Interviewed before the Hopman Cup 2003 "I feel like I can really match it with the top girls"...compared to before Hopman cup 2004 "I know I can beat these girls". Alicia's Wimbledon must have been dissapointing for her....to take Fed Cup and last week off and re-evaluate had paid dividends. GL against Amy next round (just wish she would stop playing players I like..grrrr).:wavey:

SJW
Jul 29th, 2004, 07:54 AM
FUCKING HELL ALICIA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT AWESOME WIN! :hearts:

keep going baby, you can do it! :bounce: well done! :kiss:

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 29th, 2004, 09:49 AM
How can anyone who saw the scoreline imagine that Momo choked? It's pretty obvious that she was never really in front. Give her credit for coming back and taking the match to three sets.

And how could anyone who knows anything about tennis not have seen this outcome as a possibility? I've been saying all week that I was worried about this match. Molik is a very good player and matches up well to Momo's game--she gave Momo a fright in the 4th round of the AO at a time when Momo was red hot. Not only that, Momo has had to adapt to the US hardcourt season, after playing Fed Cup then having a break. Alicia was the worst possible first round opponent forher in this tournament, and my heart sank when I saw that Momo was drawn to play her (though I did think Momo would probably prevail in the end).

Here's an idea. Maybe those of you who are slagging off at Momo should give some credit to Alicia instead. Has it occurred to you that maybe Alicia played well?

azza
Jul 29th, 2004, 09:52 AM
Stop making this thread about venu or Serena Lizchris and other poster :fiery: :sad:

iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 09:54 AM
Amlie how could you... you shoulda won this one n lost the next match to Frazier so that Amy could have racked up bonus points. You ruined it!
Now Amy will get only a few bonus points by beating Molik, who has given her plenty of trouble in the past.
Molik well done and say your prayers!

Doc
Jul 29th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Amlie how could you... you shoulda won this one n lost the next match to Frazier so that Amy could have racked up bonus points. You ruined it!
Now Amy will get only a few bonus points by beating Molik, who has given her plenty of trouble in the past.
Molik well done and say your prayers!

Once Alicia gets on a roll, she can be dangerous. So watch out, rest of the draw! :devil:

......... Azza has fans? :confused: ..............

swiss
Jul 29th, 2004, 10:20 AM
How can anyone who saw the scoreline imagine that Momo choked? It's pretty obvious that she was never really in front. Give her credit for coming back and taking the match to three sets.

And how could anyone who knows anything about tennis not have seen this outcome as a possibility? I've been saying all week that I was worried about this match. Molik is a very good player and matches up well to Momo's game--she gave Momo a fright in the 4th round of the AO at a time when Momo was red hot. Not only that, Momo has had to adapt to the US hardcourt season, after playing Fed Cup then having a break. Alicia was the worst possible first round opponent forher in this tournament, and my heart sank when I saw that Momo was drawn to play her (though I did think Momo would probably prevail in the end).

Here's an idea. Maybe those of you who are slagging off at Momo should give some credit to Alicia instead. Has it occurred to you that maybe Alicia played well?

well said ;)
congrats to Alicia and good luck for Amélie next week (should be better)

Mattographer
Jul 29th, 2004, 10:25 AM
azza and iloveazza is the same poster...

Fishnick
Jul 29th, 2004, 10:35 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I didn't see this coming.


All of you who were complaining about Venus and her special seeds, at least when she had it in tournametns like this, she could get past the second round.

Alicia beats Amelie and you make it about Venus?. Setting yourself up if you ask me.

Harju.
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Congrats Molik :worship:

Momo :tears: It's a depressing result. I guess she felt the pressure again, you know, now that people expect her to be the number one. Nevertheless, a good fight by Momo. It's not US Open, so the battle is far from over.. Momo ,regroup yourself for next week. :worship:

LostGlory
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:34 PM
Mauresmo Has the best game on the tour now, whether she wins or looses....she judt doesn't play well under pressure and tends to miss her chances.....she missed a great chance at Roland Garros another one in Wimbeldon and now this.....but we still have faith in her ....Look at Histrory French women do much better later in their careers....

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:42 PM
You! Stop talking about Venus, alright? Mauresmo is got the seeding according to her rankings, so why talk of Venus's special seeding?


Momo, what's wrong? Good job Molik though.
If you don't like the tone of the post, don't post next time.

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Alicia beats Amelie and you make it about Venus?. Setting yourself up if you ask me.
See my previious post; the same goes for you.

chris whiteside
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Mauresmo has the shots and game to be the No.1 but she does not have the temperament. Time and time again when she has her "big chance" she can't take it.

I know Serena was pumped up in the Wimby semi but towards the end Amelie really choked on a few vital shots. Yet again the No.1 spot was in sight and she blew it.

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Stop making this thread about venu or Serena Lizchris and other poster :fiery: :sad:
Did someone put a gun to your head and post? Don't post in a topic if you don't like the tone next time.

swiss
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:47 PM
you'r so childish :rolleyes:

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 12:58 PM
you'r so childish :rolleyes:
And you are a baby to waste time to post a message in a post that you don't like.

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:02 PM
How can anyone who saw the scoreline imagine that Momo choked? It's pretty obvious that she was never really in front. Give her credit for coming back and taking the match to three sets.

And how could anyone who knows anything about tennis not have seen this outcome as a possibility? I've been saying all week that I was worried about this match. Molik is a very good player and matches up well to Momo's game--she gave Momo a fright in the 4th round of the AO at a time when Momo was red hot. Not only that, Momo has had to adapt to the US hardcourt season, after playing Fed Cup then having a break. Alicia was the worst possible first round opponent forher in this tournament, and my heart sank when I saw that Momo was drawn to play her (though I did think Momo would probably prevail in the end).

Here's an idea. Maybe those of you who are slagging off at Momo should give some credit to Alicia instead. Has it occurred to you that maybe Alicia played well?
well said :worship:

iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:12 PM
I didn't watch the match cuz I had no coverage in my hell but judgin from the scoreline and ppl's stories, Mauresmo choked and beat herself rather Molik earned it. Mauresmo shoulda won this match so Farzier could have won big bonus points. Beating Molik would give her all but nothing.

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:22 PM
I didn't watch the match cuz I had no coverage in my hell but judgin from the scoreline and ppl's stories, Mauresmo choked and beat herself rather Molik earned it. Mauresmo shoulda won this match so Farzier could have won big bonus points. Beating Molik would give her all but nothing.

omfg alicia only lost 2 points on her serve in the last set and won her last 3 serves to love!! doesnt that say to u that her serve was just too good for amelie :retard: :smash:

anyway i dont know what makes u think:
a) amy would have beaten amelie :rolleyes:
b) amy will beat alicia :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Peer101
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Alicia ;)

iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:25 PM
omfg alicia only lost 2 points on her serve in the last set and won her last 3 serves to love!! doesnt that say to u that her serve was just too good for amelie :retard: :smash:

anyway i dont know what makes u think:
a) amy would have beaten amelie :rolleyes:
b) amy will beat alicia :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Frazier is red hot and should have no problem beating Molik and as for beating Mauresmo, it would have been a coin toss but juding by Frazier's recent form it would have been no surprise if she had beaten the French.
Of course Molic has a chance but a very very slim one. She'll be lucky to win a set.

BK4ever
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:27 PM
Finally Alicia pulls off the big win and didnt choke :bounce: :bounce:

Alicia has the game to be top ten, big serve, big FH, solid BH...but she just needs to believe...she also needs to use her net skills more and keep working on her movement.

Leo_DFP
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:31 PM
How can anyone who saw the scoreline imagine that Momo choked? It's pretty obvious that she was never really in front. Give her ...credit for coming back and taking the match to three sets.

And how could anyone who knows anything about tennis not have seen this outcome as a possibility? I've been saying all week that I was worried about this match. Molik is a very good player and matches up well to Momo's game--she gave Momo a fright in the 4th round of the AO at a time when Momo was red hot. Not only that, Momo has had to adapt to the US hardcourt season, after playing Fed Cup then having a break. Alicia was the worst possible first round opponent forher in this tournament, and my heart sank when I saw that Momo was drawn to play her (though I did think Momo would probably prevail in the end).

Here's an idea. Maybe those of you who are slagging off at Momo should give some c...redit to Alicia instead. Has it occurred to you that maybe Alicia played well?
Stop being logical and sane!!! :fiery:

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Frazier is red hot and should have no problem beating Molik and as for beating Mauresmo, it would have been a coin toss but juding by Frazier's recent form it would have been no surprise if she had beaten the French.
Of course Molic has a chance but a very very slim one. She'll be lucky to win a set.
i dont see why everyone thinks amy is so "hot" atm :confused:
here r her last 3 tourneys:
Los Angeles Tier II 33 points Jul 25 04
3 Lindsay Davenport(3) - Frazier(15) 6-2 6-4
2 Frazier(15) - Barbara Schett 6-4 6-4
1 Frazier(15) - Alina Jidkova 6-2 6-2

Stanford Tier II 132 points Jul 18 04
SF Venus Williams(1) - Frazier(6) 6-3 6-1
QF Frazier(6) - Patty Schnyder(3) 6-3 7-6
2 Frazier(6) - Marion Bartoli 6-3 7-6
1 Frazier(6) - Amber Liu-WC 7-5 4-6 6-3

Wimbledon Tier GS 232 points Jul 4 04
4 Maria Sharapova(13) - Frazier(31) 6-4 7-5
3 Frazier(31) - Anastasia Myskina(2) 4-6 6-4 6-4
2 Frazier(31) - Emily Webley-Smith-WC 6-2 3-6 8-6
1 Frazier(31) - Maria Kirilenko 6-1 6-4
nice win over myskina, but everyone knows grass is nastya's worse surface.
other than that look at the types of players she has beaten- webley-smith, liu, bartoli, jidkova, schett- i would expect amy to beat these players
her wins over schnyder and kirilenko are credible, but i still wouldn't classify them as "hot"
alicia's win on the otherhand should definitely be classified as "hot"

here is amy and alicia's head to head:
2 Key Bisc. Apr 4 2004 A Molik(24) - A Frazier 4-6 7-5 6-2
F Hobart Jan 12 2003 A Molik - A Frazier(2) 6-2 4-6 6-4
1 Madrid May 26 2002 A Molik - A Frazier 6-4 6-3
2 Wimbledon July 9 2000 A Frazier - A Molik 4-6 7-5 6-4
all close matches, but i think it is fair to say alicia has amy's number
she has already beaten her this yr on american hardcourt and i see no reason y she cant do it again

Leo_DFP
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:40 PM
It's taken her a great player to beat Amy in her last three tournaments, and she has become very consistent at taking out all those ranked below her, even some ahead of her.

I predicted Molik over Frazier in three, because she has a real advantage with the serve, but it could go either way.

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:45 PM
It's taken her a great player to beat Amy in her last three tournaments, and she has become very consistent at taking out all those ranked below her, even some ahead of her.



the same can be said for alicia- shes only lost 2 matches this yr to a player ranked below and beaten a few above her

iloveazza
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:47 PM
i dont see why everyone thinks amy is so "hot" atm :confused:
here r her last 3 tourneys:
Los Angeles Tier II 33 points Jul 25 04
3 Lindsay Davenport(3) - Frazier(15) 6-2 6-4
2 Frazier(15) - Barbara Schett 6-4 6-4
1 Frazier(15) - Alina Jidkova 6-2 6-2

Stanford Tier II 132 points Jul 18 04
SF Venus Williams(1) - Frazier(6) 6-3 6-1
QF Frazier(6) - Patty Schnyder(3) 6-3 7-6
2 Frazier(6) - Marion Bartoli 6-3 7-6
1 Frazier(6) - Amber Liu-WC 7-5 4-6 6-3

Wimbledon Tier GS 232 points Jul 4 04
4 Maria Sharapova(13) - Frazier(31) 6-4 7-5
3 Frazier(31) - Anastasia Myskina(2) 4-6 6-4 6-4
2 Frazier(31) - Emily Webley-Smith-WC 6-2 3-6 8-6
1 Frazier(31) - Maria Kirilenko 6-1 6-4
nice win over myskina, but everyone knows grass is nastya's worse surface.
other than that look at the types of players she has beaten- webley-smith, liu, bartoli, jidkova, schett- i would expect amy to beat these players
her wins over schnyder and kirilenko are credible, but i still wouldn't classify them as "hot"
alicia's win on the otherhand should definitely be classified as "hot"

here is amy and alicia's head to head:
2 Key Bisc. Apr 4 2004 A Molik(24) - A Frazier 4-6 7-5 6-2
F Hobart Jan 12 2003 A Molik - A Frazier(2) 6-2 4-6 6-4
1 Madrid May 26 2002 A Molik - A Frazier 6-4 6-3
2 Wimbledon July 9 2000 A Frazier - A Molik 4-6 7-5 6-4
all close matches, but i think it is fair to say alicia has amy's number
she has already beaten her this yr on american hardcourt and i see no reason y she cant do it again

Thanks for the info but I still stick to my opinion. The Amy Frazier on the U.S. summar hardcourt is just levels above when she plays on any other surface. She has history of beating pre much everyone during this season pre much every year. She lost to Venus and Davenport, both of whom have been the kings of the season for the past 7 years. Plus another loss for Amy which is of course to Maria Sharapove was a very close one. She had so many chances in both sets.. you know given Sharapove went on to win the whole thing, Amy must have played damn well! ThatYs why we call her red hot.

Mr_Molik
Jul 29th, 2004, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the info but I still stick to my opinion. The Amy Frazier on the U.S. summar hardcourt is just levels above when she plays on any other surface. She has history of beating pre much everyone during this season pre much every year. She lost to Venus and Davenport, both of whom have been the kings of the season for the past 7 years. Plus another loss for Amy which is of course to Maria Sharapove was a very close one. She had so many chances in both sets.. you know given Sharapove went on to win the whole thing, Amy must have played damn well! ThatYs why we call her red hot.
ur entitled to ur opinion
i still think alicia will win :p

Jakeev
Jul 29th, 2004, 03:12 PM
i dont see why everyone thinks amy is so "hot" atm :confused:
here r her last 3 tourneys:
Los Angeles Tier II 33 points Jul 25 04
3 Lindsay Davenport(3) - Frazier(15) 6-2 6-4
2 Frazier(15) - Barbara Schett 6-4 6-4
1 Frazier(15) - Alina Jidkova 6-2 6-2

Stanford Tier II 132 points Jul 18 04
SF Venus Williams(1) - Frazier(6) 6-3 6-1
QF Frazier(6) - Patty Schnyder(3) 6-3 7-6
2 Frazier(6) - Marion Bartoli 6-3 7-6
1 Frazier(6) - Amber Liu-WC 7-5 4-6 6-3

Wimbledon Tier GS 232 points Jul 4 04
4 Maria Sharapova(13) - Frazier(31) 6-4 7-5
3 Frazier(31) - Anastasia Myskina(2) 4-6 6-4 6-4
2 Frazier(31) - Emily Webley-Smith-WC 6-2 3-6 8-6
1 Frazier(31) - Maria Kirilenko 6-1 6-4
nice win over myskina, but everyone knows grass is nastya's worse surface.
other than that look at the types of players she has beaten- webley-smith, liu, bartoli, jidkova, schett- i would expect amy to beat these players
her wins over schnyder and kirilenko are credible, but i still wouldn't classify them as "hot"
alicia's win on the otherhand should definitely be classified as "hot"

here is amy and alicia's head to head:
2 Key Bisc. Apr 4 2004 A Molik(24) - A Frazier 4-6 7-5 6-2
F Hobart Jan 12 2003 A Molik - A Frazier(2) 6-2 4-6 6-4
1 Madrid May 26 2002 A Molik - A Frazier 6-4 6-3
2 Wimbledon July 9 2000 A Frazier - A Molik 4-6 7-5 6-4
all close matches, but i think it is fair to say alicia has amy's number
she has already beaten her this yr on american hardcourt and i see no reason y she cant do it again
To be fair to Amy, outside beating Momo yesterday, Alicia has not exactly been stellar all year either. Molik is improving all the time but she herself has a way to go.

Amy has beaten players on their best surface, but does not necessarily mean it was expected she would beat Myskina on her "worse" surface as she did at Wimbledon..

Also, Frazier is probably having the best season of her career with a 28-13 record (her best was 33-17 in 1992) and she will be 32 in two months.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:18 PM
Poor Momo!!!! Such a talented player with not much consistency!!!!!!

As for the seeding into the US Open, I would give Serena a special seeding at least in the top 4, but Venus?????

raquel
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:30 PM
Did someone put a gun to your head and post? Don't post in a topic if you don't like the tone next time.

I don't think it is so much the tone that azza did not like it was just that Alicia had a great win and he is one of her biggest fans, yet the whole topic started with a negative post about people complaining about Venus, who had nothing to do with anything in that match.

Also if people didn't post in a topic because they didn't like the tone, there would be no discussions. The only threads where people don't disagree or not like the tone of something the other posters say are the individual players cheering threads. Don't tell me you only post in threads where you agree with the tone of everything?

lizchris
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:36 PM
I don't think it is so much the tone that azza did not like it was just that Alicia had a great win and he is one of her biggest fans, yet the whole topic started with a negative post about people complaining about Venus, who had nothing to do with anything in that match.

Also if people didn't post in a topic because they didn't like the tone, there would be no discussions. The only threads where people don't disagree or not like the tone of something the other posters say are the individual players cheering threads. Don't tell me you only post in threads where you agree with the tone of everything?
I do, if the topic isn't ridiculous and a waste of my time.

GoDominique
Jul 29th, 2004, 04:52 PM
And you are a baby to waste time to post a message in a post that you don't like.
raquel, lizchris always uses this as an excuse for posting idiotic threads/comments. :)

azza
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:29 PM
azza and iloveazza is the same poster...
Wow your also dumb :cuckoo:

CJK
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:34 PM
Wow your also dumb :cuckoo:
I was mistaken at first too, because you guys do post ignorant and rude posts and just put people off from replying. Good we got that clear:).

tterb
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Gotta agree with The Leopard and BK4ever's posts. Amelie is one of the best all-court players in the game, but this wasn't such a god-awful result. From what I hear, her forehand was falling a bit short in the court... and that spells trouble against someone who can hit the ball like Alicia. Besides, it was her first match back on hardcourt after grass at Wimbledon and clay at Fed Cup, against a very good player who served amazingly. Sometimes it's just one of those days, and to Amelie's credit she fought the whole way. Maybe she was nervous with number one almost in her grasp, but she didn't choke any huge leads (one break isn't a huge lead)... And whether or not she was nervous, Alicia apparently was playing well enough to beat her either way.

Alicia and Amy have both had some solid results this year, with some impressive play against top players. I feel that both have top 20 spots waiting for them. If Alicia keeps serving well, getting to net, and working on her movement, she can be a big threat. More will certainly be expected from her in the future. And Amy on a good serving day is tough for anyone, because her groundstrokes are awesome when she's set up for them.

Good luck to both girls in the third round! :D

azza
Jul 29th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Alicia will prolly lose to Amy coz thats what Alicia tense to do.

broncosven
Jul 30th, 2004, 10:51 AM
From what I hear, her forehand was falling a bit short in the court... and that spells trouble against someone who can hit the ball like Alicia. Besides, it was her first match back on hardcourt after grass at Wimbledon and clay at Fed Cup, against a very good player who served amazingly.

Wasn't it Alicia's first match after Wimbledon aswell ?

Mr_Molik
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Wasn't it Alicia's first match after Wimbledon aswell ?
2nd after the pratt match :p

LostGlory
Jul 30th, 2004, 11:09 AM
Alicia's luckiest day.....she should enjoy it while it lasts because it wont be repeated....