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chris whiteside
Jul 26th, 2004, 05:38 AM
Is there anyone who still thinks Serena or Venus can win the US Open?

I think it's looking as if the problems are more deep rooted and with only about 5 weeks to go I doubt they are going to be able to turn their form round. I've been making allowances for their injuries and long time out, especially at RG.

Although Serena made it to the Wimby final she wasn't playing that well but after it I thought it would be a wake up call and saw her as USO Champ. It's just not that she lost to Lindsay, let's be honest she was badly beaten. There's something missing.

Vee's wrist is starting to look as if it will be a recurring injury and I wonder if it might be why Venus would decide she'd had enough? Perhaps the recent family tragedy is a big factor but that could also take a long time to recover from.

Serena, definitely and Venus probably still could make it back to the top but it's dangerous that the other players now no longer see them as invincible. Sadly, I can't see a lot of success coming this season. The draw at the USO will be vital but realistically it's not looking good for them.

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 26th, 2004, 05:42 AM
Yes, they can still do it. But they'll need to play better than they have.

Hant Hant
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:00 AM
yeah, they could

joao
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:05 AM
Venus and Serena ARE and will always be a threat at the USO!!!

le bon vivant
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:06 AM
Hey, Maria won Wimbledon, so anythings possible!http://wtaworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif

GoGoMaggie
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:08 AM
They are capable of it. They may not be in their best form at the moment but we still have four weeks to wait before the U.S. Open kicks in and I'm sure they will both adjust their game and have started winnin again by then.
I will not be surprised in the least if either of them wins it but I will be stunned if both do.

Stefwhit
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Serena's year in reveiw:
-Has won 10 out of her last 11 hardcourt matches this year
-Hasn't played and lost before the QFs all year
-In her last 4 events has only lost once before the Semi-Finals (two consecutive Finals)
-She has a winning record against the current top 10 (wta ranked) players she's faced this year, winning 6 out of 10 of those meetings this year.
-Has played 2 grandslams reaching the QFs of her first (in over 6 months) and the Finals of Wimby beating the highest ranked player in her draw
-Has only lost to two players ranked below her on the current Race standings
-Depending on how she fares at the US Open, she could potentially have the best 3 consecutive Grand Slam record this year....QF, F, ?
-She's only lost to the best players of the year, no losses to anyone ranked below 20 on the Porshce Race Standings and only once to a player ranked outside of the top 10 (Petrova)

SerenaVenusNo1
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:19 AM
I will not be surprised in the least if either of them wins it but I will be stunned if both do.

what?

J_Migoe
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:25 AM
Serena and Venus will always be my faves no matter what happens!!!

Venus+Serena#1fan
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:38 AM
Of course they can. There are still many tournaments left for both of them. Yes, Venus is workin through a minor injury and still a bit out of rhythm. Yes, Serena is not finding any kind of good tennis in finals but THEY CAN ONLY GET BETTER.

3 tournaments is alot of matches for them, plenty of time to find their form.

grmbl
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:39 AM
Hey, Maria won Wimbledon, so anythings possible!http://wtaworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif

:lol: :D

GoGoMaggie
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:56 AM
Defninitely the chance of one of the sisters winning the Open is much better than Sharapova winning Wimby. It's plain stupid and retarded to say they are history. Serena lost to Lindsay in a lopsided fashion but the Serena who is 1000 notches below her best is still able to beat out 95% of the tour. I think losing to someone like Lindsay in the way she did actually may work for Serena as it gave her an opportunity to learn.
Having said that, it's of little relevance actually that she has learnt a lesson or whatever. She's still a great athlete and proably the best tennis player on the tour when she's on. It's still her first hardcourt tourney this summar after all. I mean of course it would have been so much better if she had won the title but if she was to lose a match or two during the summar, better be here than when it really matters. I don't know if she lost today's final for the same reason that she lost to Maria cuz those were under different circumstances as well as different opponents. So, it may be not be too wise to attribute those two losses of Serena's simply to her lack of commitment to the game or too much time being spent on acting, which of course I believe has played a part but there are other things to consider.
However I'm still in the belief that she will find her game and start winning and dominating again by the time the Open starts.

bandabou
Jul 26th, 2004, 10:42 AM
Hmm,hmm.....I think, I think that they still are a threat, but they are no longer dead-lock favourites. I think the last part missing is winning a big match. Serena has been doing great reaching finals, but then she goes awry in the finals....that gotta improve. But matchplay might improve that. I hope?! :unsure:

Paneru
Jul 26th, 2004, 11:53 AM
Oh lord! :cool:

Yes.

Serena- IMO, just needs to play agressively.
For the past two tournaments she's been to passive.
Going for it will put her right up there.

Venus- IMO, just needs to stay healthy.
For the past two tournaments that agressive nature
has resurfaced and needs her health to hold up and
she'll be right there.

jrm
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Venus will never ever wim a GS again!

Williams Rulez
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Venus will never ever wim a GS again!Yes pyschic... maybe u'll have to eat yr words...

calabar
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:10 PM
Is there anyone who still thinks Serena or Venus can win the US Open?.
All 128 players in a slam draw CAN win the trophy. A better question is who is LIKELY to win.

Paneru
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:14 PM
Yes pyschic... maybe u'll have to eat yr words...
Most definitely! :)

azza
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:19 PM
No :spit:

villa
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:35 PM
I'd say Venus- if she gets over wrist injury is more likely to win the us open than serena.
Serena has been spanked by petrova, jen, maria and sharapova in recent months. Her game is completly falling apart when it matters and when she's losing its not even competitive. Most of Venus's bad results this year have been down to being rusty from reoccurring injurys and have been close matches which you know if she were only a few % better she'd win. She hurt her leg in Oz land which was the reason for her poor jan-march results, then found form and twisted her ankel in berlin which effected her FO AND WIMBY. Then this week after looking like her normal dominant self and leading davenport 5-0 in the 1st set suffers the wrist injury. Her game is there, serena's game looks as though its been locked up in siberia and the key has been thrown away!

Imo if this latest Venus injury is not to serious she will pose the bigger threat for the us open.

bandabou
Jul 26th, 2004, 01:49 PM
I'd say Venus- if she gets over wrist injury is more likely to win the us open than serena.
Serena has been spanked by petrova, jen, maria and sharapova in recent months. Her game is completly falling apart when it matters and when she's losing its not even competitive. Most of Venus's bad results this year have been down to being rusty from reoccurring injurys and have been close matches which you know if she were only a few % better she'd win. She hurt her leg in Oz land which was the reason for her poor jan-march results, then found form and twisted her ankel in berlin which effected her FO AND WIMBY. Then this week after looking like her normal dominant self and leading davenport 5-0 in the 1st set suffers the wrist injury. Her game is there, serena's game looks as though its been locked up in siberia and the key has been thrown away!

Imo if this latest Venus injury is not to serious she will pose the bigger threat for the us open.

Hmmm....thing is that Venusīs off-days all have happened at the early rounds of the majors..against Raymond, against Sprem...so she hasnīt been sparkling when it matters herself.

lizchris
Jul 26th, 2004, 01:51 PM
At this point, Venus has a better chance of winning than Serena because she is playing better.

le bon vivant
Jul 26th, 2004, 02:19 PM
At this point, Venus has a better chance of winning than Serena because she is playing better.
When Venus left the court after losing 8 straight games in her SF against Lindsay, she was playing horribly.

We need to see how this wrist thing has affected her before such a grand judgment is made.

lizchris
Jul 26th, 2004, 02:54 PM
When Venus left the court after losing 8 straight games in her SF against Lindsay, she was playing horribly.

We need to see how this wrist thing has affected her before such a grand judgment is made.
It was actually nine and she was up 5-0 with the injured wrist so what does that tell you?

mboyle
Jul 26th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Venus won't win another major until something good happens w/ that serve and that forehand. Serena is definately a contender, but I would put Davenport as the current favorite:eek: .

GANGSTABACKHAND!
Jul 26th, 2004, 03:57 PM
I think that Serena needs to stop pushing the ball, I would like to see her lose going for her shots instead of pushing balls and loosing anyway like she has been doing since Wimbledon. I think that Venus is exactly where I thought she would be by this of the year, she just need to stay injury-free and she should be able to beat anyone! I still think that Venus will "surprise" everyone this year. It's not to late!

tennisjunky
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Serena's year in reveiw:
-Has won 10 out of her last 11 hardcourt matches this year
-Hasn't played and lost before the QFs all year
-In her last 4 events has only lost once before the Semi-Finals (two consecutive Finals)
-She has a winning record against the current top 10 (wta ranked) players she's faced this year, winning 6 out of 10 of those meetings this year.
-Has played 2 grandslams reaching the QFs of her first (in over 6 months) and the Finals of Wimby beating the highest ranked player in her draw
-Has only lost to two players ranked below her on the current Race standings
-Depending on how she fares at the US Open, she could potentially have the best 3 consecutive Grand Slam record this year....QF, F, ?
-She's only lost to the best players of the year, no losses to anyone ranked below 20 on the Porshce Race Standings and only once to a player ranked outside of the top 10 (Petrova)
thanks for posting that Stef. i hear all this talk about how bad serena has played but when you look you realize she has actually had a good year so far. its not good by her usual standards but good by anyone elses.

bandabou
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:11 PM
Hmmmm........Lindsay is the favourite no doubt. Man, sheīs playing as good as Iīve EVER seen her. Serenaīs obviously there, just needs some finetuning and does Venus. How will the Russian gs-winners fare on the hardcourts?!

Lita's Ex
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Although Serena hasn't played much since she returned to the tour, players would kill for her results. Lindsay was just too good on Sunday. We'll see what happens in New York. I wouldn't count Serena out. She will still be one of the favorites to win it.

CJ07
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Venus won't win another major until something good happens w/ that serve and that forehand. Serena is definately a contender, but I would put Davenport as the current favorite:eek: .
there is nothing wrong with Venus's serve. No one is attacking it. Actually its really only been attack consistently 3 times all year. And Sprem was attacking everything, Elena has to attack as she has no other choice, and Venus couldn't move well against Raymond so it looked worse than it really was.

I agree on the forehand though. But there's nothing wrong with it perse, she just needs confidence in it. She has hit her forehand better than her backhand in several matches this year, including up untill 5-0 against Lindsay

bandabou
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:37 PM
Although Serena hasn't played much since she returned to the tour, players would kill for her results. Lindsay was just too good on Sunday. We'll see what happens in New York. I wouldn't count Serena out. She will still be one of the favorites to win it.


For real! I think even us as her fans donīt really realise this. For a player coming off major knee-surgery, not bad at all.

Famu_lady
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:43 PM
Of course they can!
http://www.imgspot.com/uploads/venus2.jpg

thelittlestelf
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:46 PM
To be honest, I don't really think Venus is playing all that badly. Sure her forehand is pretty poor at times, but had Venus not injured her wrist, she probably would have beaten Davenport (who I love to death) for her first top 10 win this year. In fact, a lot of the matches she's played this year against top 10ers she has either had to withdraw from or retire with the exception of the Myskina match---really her only "one sided" loss all year--- and the other match against Davenport which was nail bitingly close.

Anna F'd Enrique
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Venus looks better than Serena right now! She needs to stop with the injuries though

bandabou
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Yep....Venus has looked better on the hardcourts so far than Serena...hopefully Serena can pick it up in time. Come on!!!!

LindsayRocks89
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:24 PM
right now i would say Venus has a better chance than Serena, shes playing better, just needs to work on the forehand, but otherwise is playing quite well, lets hope they both pick up their games before the olympics and the open :bounce:

villa
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:50 PM
Yep someone mentioned the serena pushing balls back into the court upbove- thats the reason why she is losing matches at the moment. Her forehand has completly gone and she is trying to push balls back into court rather than hitting a shot alas hingis!
She is not going to get away with against the big hitters- they just tee-up on her forehand. I would rather she was hitting and missing like venus was last week against lindsay rather than what she did and lindsay smacking winners of it.

DeDe4925
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:55 PM
I'd say neither one. Yes, they are playing well by everyone else's standards, but not well enough to win a major, let alone a regular tournament, what with Venus' injuries and Serena's mania, psychosis or whatever the hell you want to call it. I'm just damned mad at Serena. She's not serious at all right now and you can tell it in her game. Venus just has bad freaking luck. Her attitude is however 100% better than Serena's, it seems, about winning again.

I know they have game enough to come back and start winning again, but honestly I don't know what it's going to take.

Stefwhit
Jul 27th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Venus looks better than Serena right now! She needs to stop with the injuries though
Not sure I agree with that. Serena has won 10 out of 11 of her hardcourt matches this year and her only loss was to the hottest hardcourt player on tour right now. Serena has been by far the most consistent with her regular play and a lot more consistent in the slams this year. I'm not blind or anything, I know Serena's game is not where it was or where it could be- but I think it's a lot closser than people realize.

thelittlestelf
Jul 27th, 2004, 01:47 AM
Not sure I agree with that. Serena has won 10 out of 11 of her hardcourt matches this year and her only loss was to the hottest hardcourt player on tour right now. Serena has been by far the most consistent with her regular play and a lot more consistent in the slams this year. I'm not blind or anything, I know Serena's game is not where it was or where it could be- but I think it's a lot closser than people realize.

But Venus' two hard court losses (In the US Open series) are to the same player. Not to mention one was won 76 57 76 by Lindsay and the other was won 75 20 ret.

Serena was THRASHED by Lindsay 61 63.

bandabou
Jul 27th, 2004, 01:57 AM
I'd say neither one. Yes, they are playing well by everyone else's standards, but not well enough to win a major, let alone a regular tournament, what with Venus' injuries and Serena's mania, psychosis or whatever the hell you want to call it. I'm just damned mad at Serena. She's not serious at all right now and you can tell it in her game. Venus just has bad freaking luck. Her attitude is however 100% better than Serena's, it seems, about winning again.

I know they have game enough to come back and start winning again, but honestly I don't know what it's going to take.


Serenaīs game just seems to go off in Fīs it seems....I mean she isnīt losing to no-name players or losing early...just canīt win the last match.

bigshow21
Jul 27th, 2004, 01:59 AM
Not with Jennifer Capriati in the draw!!!!!! :lol:

But for real....everyone has as much chance as everyone else as long as they are mentally and physically prepared!

Heeves23
Jul 27th, 2004, 02:12 AM
Serena yes.. Venus no.. but tennis is so hard to predict... but the only thing i pretty much no forsure is that Venus is not going to win... beyond that.... anything can happen

Stefwhit
Jul 27th, 2004, 05:42 AM
But Venus' two hard court losses (In the US Open series) are to the same player. Not to mention one was won 76 57 76 by Lindsay and the other was won 75 20 ret.

Serena was THRASHED by Lindsay 61 63.
OK... so what about the rest of her hard court play this year? Venus got beat by Svetlana (whom Serena crushed 7-5, 6-0), then Venus lost to Elena on a hard court (whom Serena beat twice- the first time crushing her 6-1,6-1).

Year to date hardcourt record:
Venus- 12-5
Serena- 10-1

...this isn't a Serena vs. Venus thing, but don't use Serena's loss to elevate Venus' status. I still maintain that Serena is still looked at as a front runner for the last slam this year. If she isn't looked at as the number one pick in most peoples mind, I'm sure she's in everyones top 3 contenders. I'll admit that lately Vee has seemed to pick up her game, but so far this year she's been very up and down and has performed poorly in 2 out of 3 slams played this year. Serena on the otherhand has been very consistent all year long making it deep into every tournament she's played and reaching at least the semifinals of all but one event (QFs,) in the last four she's entered. Not to mention Venus hasn't beaten any top 10 players this year, while Serena has a winning record against the top ten players she's faced so far.

bandabou
Jul 27th, 2004, 10:34 AM
OK... so what about the rest of her hard court play this year? Venus got beat by Svetlana (whom Serena crushed 7-5, 6-0), then Venus lost to Elena on a hard court (whom Serena beat twice- the first time crushing her 6-1,6-1).

Year to date hardcourt record:
Venus- 12-5
Serena- 10-1

...this isn't a Serena vs. Venus thing, but don't use Serena's loss to elevate Venus' status. I still maintain that Serena is still looked at as a front runner for the last slam this year. If she isn't looked at as the number one pick in most peoples mind, I'm sure she's in everyones top 3 contenders. I'll admit that lately Vee has seemed to pick up her game, but so far this year she's been very up and down and has performed poorly in 2 out of 3 slams played this year. Serena on the otherhand has been very consistent all year long making it deep into every tournament she's played and reaching at least the semifinals of all but one event (QFs,) in the last four she's entered. Not to mention Venus hasn't beaten any top 10 players this year, while Serena has a winning record against the top ten players she's faced so far.


say no more, say no more!!

Jasmin
Jul 27th, 2004, 01:46 PM
I don't think they can win this year. Maybe next year.

I actually think Venus is playing better than Serena when she's not injured but she's always injured.