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Bristol
Jul 25th, 2004, 02:07 PM
I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!

nari
Jul 25th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Sorry,I can't accept your views.
You are depreciating Steffi Graf to the level of Seles.

fried_beans
Jul 25th, 2004, 03:20 PM
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WHAT RELIGION IS RIGHT?

wongqks
Jul 25th, 2004, 03:23 PM
I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!
A great point, I have no idea why you have so many red dots, but may I suggest you not to create threads like this, coz there will be some morons who will turn this into battlefields once again. Nari :rolleyes:

Jan
Jul 25th, 2004, 03:44 PM
Graf And Seles - Two Great Champions

...........end Of Story!

Bristol
Jul 25th, 2004, 04:27 PM
Nari you are obviously too naive and immature and probably about 13 to be able to accept views from other people and to be able to hold a discussion!

Calimero377
Jul 25th, 2004, 07:52 PM
I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!

I agree.
BTW, Churchill and Blair were great prime ministers.
;)

Bristol, don't take it too seriously. Without "what if" discussions, what would we have to do as tennis fans all day long?


:wavey:

Calimero377
Jul 25th, 2004, 07:53 PM
Graf And Seles - Two Great Champions

...........end Of Story!


Hm, yes, but - who was the greatest?

;)

Graf of course .....


:worship: :worship: :worship:

Bristol
Jul 25th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Actually Calimero i'm not taking it that seriously at all hence I can discuss the matter i'm not making irrational claims on eithers behalf. What I would suggest aswell if you have nothing to do all day long as a tennis fan is maybe get a job?

Calimero377
Jul 25th, 2004, 10:31 PM
Actually Calimero i'm not taking it that seriously at all hence I can discuss the matter i'm not making irrational claims on eithers behalf. What I would suggest aswell if you have nothing to do all day long as a tennis fan is maybe get a job?


A job?
Why this when I can live from dividends?
:confused:

chris/martina
Jul 25th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Chris evert made that comment about graf being the greatest cuz SHE AIN'T gunna say navratilova because she was her rival and probably got sick of losing to her through 82-85 with out reply. Also there is no one else except herself she can mention but who's gunna say ''i'm the greatest''. Oh yeh this all who seles-graf thing is getting old. Graf is the second greatest behind martina navratilova and for seles, she would be behind evert, king and court leaving her 5th. I think graf and seles just din't play enough during that period when seles won 3 slams in a year twice (91,92) graf kept losing early on which didn't help.

Joseosu19
Jul 25th, 2004, 11:50 PM
:worship: Arantxa was the best of that generation anyways;)j/k

chris/martina
Jul 26th, 2004, 12:12 AM
What? you mean ASV who won 4 slams and had enough chances to beat graf in the 1995 wimbledon final. oh yeh she was number 1 for like 6 weeks.

USOPEN1000
Jul 26th, 2004, 07:10 AM
Sorry,I can't accept your views.
You are depreciating Steffi Graf to the level of Seles.

THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING TO THESE GUENTHER PARCHE DOGS.

MONICA SELES DEPRECIATED STEFFI GRAF A LONG TIME AGO WHEN SHE TOPPLED THE GERMAN FROM THE NUMBER ONE RANKING AND WON A MINGBOGGLING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S DISSAPOINTING 2.

I DONT THINK YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE BOTH OF THEM SINCE MONICA SELES IS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE SUPERIOR PLAYER THAN GRAF AND IS A TRUE CHAMPION IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.... BOTH ON AND OFF THE COURT. :worship:

AS FOR STEFFI, HER TENNIS RECORDS" IS ALREADY TARNISH AFTER THE STABBING OF WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES IN APRIL OF 1993. :tape: :lol: :lol: :lol:


WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES RULED SECOND RANKED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "That was a 92-mile-an-hour serve from Steffi, and I'd like to have gotten the radar on the return of serve. It was stronger."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Cliff Drysdale: "Graf has won eleven grand slam championships."

Mary Carillo: "Seles has played 20 less but she's already won seven of them."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "How much can you say about this woman? She is a remarkable - she has that remarkable instinct, when under the gun, when under pressure, to attack. She's got the instincts of a doberman. You know, when confronted, she attacks. It's the natural thing for her to do. I just, as I say, I've never seen her like before. I've seen great players, obviously, great champions. But time and again we've seen Monica in trouble, we've seen her play less than her best tennis, and in the end, I mean, she just basically says, 'All right, gimme the ball, gimme the ball.' And she hits winners. It's great stuff."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "[Steffi's] actually playing better than when she played in '88 and won the Grand Slam. Everyone acts as though 'Well, you know, she's got to get it back, she's got to get it back.' I actually feel that Steffi has added a lot to her game. She's a better defensive player. She's got a better first serve than she used to. I think her slice backhand really works well. I mean, I happen to think that she's a better player than she was a few years ago, but she's facing an opponent that is just remarkable, and I think that's why she doesn't have the Grand Slams titles we're used to seeing from her."

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deckham
Jul 26th, 2004, 07:18 AM
THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING TO THESE GUENTHER PARCHE DOGS.

MONICA SELES DEPRECIATED STEFFI GRAF A LONG TIME AGO WHEN SHE TOPPLED THE GERMAN FROM THE NUMBER ONE RANKING AND WON A MINGBOGGLING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S DISSAPOINTING 2.

I DONT THINK YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE BOTH OF THEM SINCE MONICA SELES IS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE SUPERIOR PLAYER THAN GRAF AND IS A TRUE CHAMPION IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORLD.... BOTH ON AND OFF THE COURT. :worship:

AS FOR STEFFI, HER TENNIS RECORDS" IS ALREADY TARNISH AFTER THE STABBING OF WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES IN APRIL OF 1993. :tape: :lol: :lol: :lol:


WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES RULED SECOND RANKED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

wow...you're a very silly woman or man.... whatever the hell you are.
go cry somewhere else... everyone knows graf is absolutely brilliant...

how dare you say graf's records are tarnished... blaming her for a stabbing incident that she had no part in... you're as ignorant as they come....

USOPEN1000
Jul 26th, 2004, 07:27 AM
Chris evert made that comment about graf being the greatest cuz SHE AIN'T gunna say navratilova because she was her rival and probably got sick of losing to her through 82-85 with out reply. Also there is no one else except herself she can mention but who's gunna say ''i'm the greatest''. Oh yeh this all who seles-graf thing is getting old. Graf is the second greatest behind martina navratilova and for seles, she would be behind evert, king and court leaving her 5th. I think graf and seles just din't play enough during that period when seles won 3 slams in a year twice (91,92) graf kept losing early on which didn't help.


DID YOU EVER HEAR THE GREAT CHRIS EVERT SAID THAT GRAFFIE IS THE BEST IN HISTORY AS WHAT SOME OF THE RABID GRAFIANS ARE BARKING IN THIS BOARD??? NO....WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHY.......... :)

LOOK HOW SHE SAID IT......."THE PLAYER THAT COMES TO MIND AS THE BEST DURING THE LAST "25 YEARS" ONLY---MEANING IT ONLY BEGINS IN 1984--- THAT STEFFI COMES TO HER MIND AS THE BEST......AND BTW, MARTINA AND CHRIS WERE PLAYING EVEN BEFORE 1984 AND SO DOES OTHER PLAYERS LIKE ANDREA JAEGER, TRACY AUSTIN, ET AL :tape: ***READ BETWEEN THE LINES OF HER SPEECH*************


MS. EVERT WAS JUST TRYING TO BE GRACIOUS AND NICE SINCE ITS GRAFFIE'S INDUCTION........CHRIS EVERT HAD ALWAYS BEEN A CLASSY CHAMPION.

WHY IS IT SO EASY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY THAT PETE SAMPRAS IS THE GREATEST EVER??? BECAUSE PETE SAMPRAS EARNED IT AND HE DID NOT BENEFIT FROM A "TRAGEDY" THAT BEFELL THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME. :tape:


BTW, HE GREAT CHRIS EVERT HAD AN INTERVIEW A FEW WEEKS AGO ON ESPN CLASSICS CENTURY FEATURING GRAFFIE. THAT'S WHERE SHE TRULY SPOKE HER MIND ON THE SELES-GRAF RIVALRY. :worship:

MONICA SELES, GREATEST FEMALE TENNIS PLAYER EVER :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


1999 Roland Garros, 3rd Round

Chris Evert: "[Monica] then really got cheated out of a lot of Grand Slams. She was really dominating women's tennis, dominating Steffi Graf. As I said before, she won seven out of eight Grand Slams and then got stabbed and was out for 27 months. Her assailant got his wish, that Steffi Graf be Number One, and sure enough, Steffi regained the Number One position when Monica was out of the game. So he got his wish."

Dick Enberg: "Who knows how many titles she would own had she remained in full health?"

Chris Evert: "Well, a lot more than nine Grand Slams, I'll tell you that. That's so not fair, when you look at Steffi's 21 and Monica's nine, it's very unbalanced, and it shouldn't be."



1995 US Open, 4th Round

Martina Navratilova: "This is why Monica Seles is one of the all-time greats."

Mary Carillo: "Has anyone ever been able to hit her way out of trouble the way Monica Seles does?"

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USOPEN1000
Jul 26th, 2004, 07:36 AM
wow...you're a very silly woman or man.... whatever the hell you are.
go cry somewhere else... everyone knows graf is absolutely brilliant...

how dare you say graf's records are tarnished... blaming her for a stabbing incident that she had no part in... you're as ignorant as they come....

JUST TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE OBVIOUS THE MONICA SELES WAS THE BETTER PLAYER. :bounce: :worship: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

MONICA WAS EVEN MORE THAN BRILLIANT....MONICA WAS A MAGNIFICENT GENUIS.........A PLAYER THAT COMES ONLY ONCE IN A LIFETIME.." :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

1999 Roland Garros, 3rd Round

Chris Evert: "[Monica] then really got cheated out of a lot of Grand Slams. She was really dominating women's tennis, dominating Steffi Graf. As I said before, she won seven out of eight Grand Slams and then got stabbed and was out for 27 months. Her assailant got his wish, that Steffi Graf be Number One, and sure enough, Steffi regained the Number One position when Monica was out of the game. So he got his wish."

Dick Enberg: "Who knows how many titles she would own had she remained in full health?"

Chris Evert: "Well, a lot more than nine Grand Slams, I'll tell you that. That's so not fair, when you look at Steffi's 21 and Monica's nine, it's very unbalanced, and it shouldn't be."

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MONICA SELES, GREATEST FEMALE TENNIS PLAYER EVER :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

LADIEZ CHAMPION
Jul 26th, 2004, 09:20 AM
wow...you're a very silly woman or man.... whatever the hell you are.
go cry somewhere else... everyone knows graf is absolutely brilliant...

how dare you say graf's records are tarnished... blaming her for a stabbing incident that she had no part in... you're as ignorant as they come....

wow, how dare you bash a seles fan and ignore the garbage postings of the graf fans against seles......well, let me tell you something freedom of speech rocks.....you're the more ignorant as they come. :angel:

Bristol
Jul 26th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Ladiez Champion and Usopen100 you obviously are too narrow minded to be able to hold a discussion with appreciating other peoples opinions. I don't know how old you 2 are but if you re-read your threads you have just posted (I doubt you'll be able to notice) you'll see that you are both ignorant fools. Like someone said I shouldn't have posted this thread a most people on this forum can't hold a discussion reasonably especially about 2 great champions, whilst all of active players,commentators,retired players who would actually know about tennis players and greatness compared to us in a chat foru have declared that these 2 are 2 of the greatest enough said!

Kart
Jul 26th, 2004, 06:29 PM
I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here.
Believe it.

Also note though that some of those 'immature' people are just insane :retard:.

Calimero377
Jul 26th, 2004, 08:00 PM
DID YOU EVER HEAR THE GREAT CHRIS EVERT SAID THAT GRAFFIE IS THE BEST IN HISTORY AS WHAT SOME OF THE RABID GRAFIANS ARE BARKING IN THIS BOARD??? NO....WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHY.......... :)

LOOK HOW SHE SAID IT......."THE PLAYER THAT COMES TO MIND AS THE BEST DURING THE LAST "25 YEARS" ONLY---MEANING IT ONLY BEGINS IN 1984--- THAT STEFFI COMES TO HER MIND AS THE BEST......AND BTW, MARTINA AND CHRIS WERE PLAYING EVEN BEFORE 1984 AND SO DOES OTHER PLAYERS LIKE ANDREA JAEGER, TRACY AUSTIN, ET AL ....


"Meaning it only begins in 1984".
You're ahead of your time, dumbo?
Oh, I know, all these irritating numbers and facts ......


:lol: