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Andrew.
Jul 17th, 2004, 03:17 PM
Recently, I have again come under attack for being too negative about Lindsay. If you feel that way, I am sorry about that.

However, I am not a fan who will be positive all the time. I am positive plenty. When Lindsay loses matches for no reason, or shows no effort, that is usually a TANK. Just because I'm saying that she tanked a match, doesn't mean I'm not a "true fan".

And when it comes down to it, what exactly is the status of a "true fan"? In addition to standing by the player, a true fan also needs to be able to point out the faults of a player, not pretend that everything is great when s/he tanks and pulls crap for no reason.

I'm going to be the first to say that I am amazingly high strung and quick tempered. However, usually when I get angry I have every reason to. When Lindsay tanks, it's obvious, and it's quite annoying. And if someone is acting "negative" about that, they have every right to do so. I admit that I can be very harsh with my comments and I can be a huge bitch, but many times I have been right and gotten jumped on; as is happening now.

Thanks.

Elske
Jul 17th, 2004, 03:42 PM
lmfao: for the third time today: Andrew, grow up :lol:

However, I am not a fan who will be positive all the time.lol you are hardly ever positive about Linds, you bash her constantly :rolleyes:

Jan
Jul 17th, 2004, 07:27 PM
I like to be realistic about Lindsay and her chancs in any match but I also believe I have to 100% positive even when she loses a match I know she could have won. I even don't mind fans being angry with her but what I do not like is bad language in any thread for whatever reason. We all show our disappointment in different ways of course. I just usually feel sick inside and then start comfort eating - how sad am I but thats the way it is.

Andrew.
Jul 17th, 2004, 11:17 PM
lmfao: for the third time today: Andrew, grow up :lol:

lol you are hardly ever positive about Linds, you bash her constantly :rolleyes:
K. Please make your point without looking stupid, because that's how I'm gonig to make you look right now:

Please see Stanford thread. I am uber-positive.

I say it how it is. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me that Lindsay doesn't tank. It becomes painfully obviously when/if she is tanking.

Andrew.
Jul 17th, 2004, 11:18 PM
I like to be realistic about Lindsay and her chancs in any match but I also believe I have to 100% positive even when she loses a match I know she could have won. I even don't mind fans being angry with her but what I do not like is bad language in any thread for whatever reason. We all show our disappointment in different ways of course. I just usually feel sick inside and then start comfort eating - how sad am I but thats the way it is.
I'll try to not use excessive bad language. :angel:

I agree with you about eating though.... :lol:

Elske
Jul 18th, 2004, 09:02 AM
K. Please make your point without looking stupid, because that's how I'm gonig to make you look right now:

Please see Stanford thread. I am uber-positive.

I say it how it is. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me that Lindsay doesn't tank. It becomes painfully obviously when/if she is tanking.even while you are trying to defend yourself, you say something negative about her... :rolleyes:

foreva lindsay
Jul 18th, 2004, 11:17 AM
I even don't mind fans being angry with her but what I do not like is bad language in any thread for whatever reason. We all show our disappointment in different ways of course. I just usually feel sick inside and then start comfort eating - how sad am I but thats the way it is.

i agree...i'm not as bad now.. hehe i've learnt that u have to take the ups and the downs.
Jan your not sad when u comfort eat..we all deal with things differently, i shut off and ignore everyone..not nice i know but thats how i deal with things.

Andrew.
Jul 18th, 2004, 03:59 PM
even while you are trying to defend yourself, you say something negative about her... :rolleyes:
It's no use trying to explain something to someone who just doesn't get it, dear.

Elske
Jul 18th, 2004, 06:37 PM
It's no use trying to explain something to someone who just doesn't get it, dear.oh i do get what you are trying to say here, dear. If she plays bad or chokes or whatever, you have the right to say that, i say that too! (but i don't say it on a messageboard) What bothers me is that you are nearly constantly negative about her. Why are you a fan of her when almost everything she does is wrong in your eyes? yes you can complain about a bad performance, but NOT THE WHOLE TIME :rolleyes: try to realise that Lindsay is only human, and plz, try to see some more positive sides :rolleyes: your negativity bothers me and many many others, believe me.

Andrew.
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:08 PM
oh i do get what you are trying to say here, dear. If she plays bad or chokes or whatever, you have the right to say that, i say that too! (but i don't say it on a messageboard) What bothers me is that you are nearly constantly negative about her. Why are you a fan of her when almost everything she does is wrong in your eyes? yes you can complain about a bad performance, but NOT THE WHOLE TIME :rolleyes: try to realise that Lindsay is only human, and plz, try to see some more positive sides :rolleyes: your negativity bothers me and many many others, believe me.
I had no problem with her losing at RG, Strasbourg, and Indian Wells, because it was obvious that she tried. Charleston she was just off, so I had no opinion. I have a problem when she tanks matches, such as the Wimbledon third set. And dear, that is the only time I get mad.

LindsayRocks89
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:12 PM
i understand you're angry, but i believe that Lindsay always tries her hardest, Maria was just too good for her that day. and the only thing i don't get is that you're always telling Lindsay to be positive yet ur negative when she loses :)

Andrew.
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:19 PM
i understand you're angry, but i believe that Lindsay always tries her hardest, Maria was just too good for her that day. and the only thing i don't get is that you're always telling Lindsay to be positive yet ur negative when she loses :)
I'm only negative if she tanks. I 100% believe she tanked the third set of that match. Positive = not tanking.

Elske
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:33 PM
I had no problem with her losing at RG, Strasbourg, and Indian Wells, because it was obvious that she tried. Charleston she was just off, so I had no opinion. I have a problem when she tanks matches, such as the Wimbledon third set. And dear, that is the only time I get mad.1. mad at a player for losing a match..? that's kinda sad, no? i understand if you are disappointed because your fave loses a match, but mad? You should be mad at someone if she/he hurts your feelings or sth, but mad because some person you don't even know personally loses... oh boy... :p

2. i saw the third set against Sharapova and i still think that Sharapova deserved to win because she was playing a lot better. Lindsay didn't choke, Sharapova was just better. That's just my opinion, you have yours, but that's actually not important. Actually i don't really mind you thinking that Lindsay tanked, but the way you reacted was very wrong, imo. I remember that not only me, but also other Lindsay-fans told you your reaction to her loss was not appropriate.
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3743588#post3743588
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3743605#post3743605

3. http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=124232 in threads like these, you don't really sound positive, huh :p

Andrew.
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:46 PM
2. i saw the third set against Sharapova and i still think that Sharapova deserved to win because she was playing a lot better. Lindsay didn't choke, Sharapova was just better. That's just my opinion, you have yours, but that's actually not important. Actually i don't really mind you thinking that Lindsay tanked, but the way you reacted was very wrong, imo. I remember that not only me, but also other Lindsay-fans told you your reaction to her loss was not appropriate.
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3743588#post3743588
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3743605#post3743605

As I pointed out there, I probably reacted the way Lindsay would have. Please see Australian Open 2000 2r vs. Irvin for more on that.

3. http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=124232 in threads like these, you don't really sound positive, huh :p
This goes back to tanking, which I've already beaten to death.

Elske
Jul 18th, 2004, 07:56 PM
As I pointed out there, I probably reacted the way Lindsay would have.aren't you supposed to react like a fan instead of the person you are a fan of..? :rolleyes:

Jan
Jul 19th, 2004, 07:24 AM
Well she was definitely Positive at Stanford in the final against Venus ;)

Leo_DFP
Jul 19th, 2004, 07:44 PM
I would consider myself a true fan of Davenport but that does not mean I can't fault her play and it certainly doesn't mean that I don't get upset with her decisions on and off the court. When she tanks a match or doesn't close out a match that she should, I do get upset with her and I let my feelings be known. I also admit to doubting her very often against the top players. I never believed she would win yesterday until about 3-2 in the final set when I thought it was at least a possibility, although not a probability. She fortunately proved me wrong for once. Does that make me a bad fan? I don't think so, because let's be honest: she hadn't beaten a Williams sister in ages and hadn't give us much reason to believe in her abilities against the toppers like Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim in the past couple of years.

But, through the rough times and through the good times (like yesterday :D), I've always stayed by her side and have supported her whole-heartedly. The day that she retires will be a very sad day for me.

Leo_DFP
Jul 19th, 2004, 07:45 PM
aren't you supposed to react like a fan instead of the person you are a fan of..? :rolleyes:
A good fan should always identify with his/her player's emotions. ;)

Elske
Jul 19th, 2004, 08:00 PM
A good fan should always identify with his/her player's emotions. ;)no, that's a 'sad' fan :p if you are a fan of Elena Dementieva and she starts crying coz she can't serve, are you supposed to cry too then? :o :D you are a fan, you are not the player, and you should act like a fan, not like the person you are fan of :)