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E. Blackadder
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:19 PM
What one would you prefer? They're all horrible IMO

rand
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:22 PM
a non-majority coallition....

which means, let for example leterme and spa form a coalition, and then all the parties 'll have on every subject to decide if they vote for or against, not always voting the things of your coallition....

I do'nt think I'm perfectly clear but I guess you understand....

E. Blackadder
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:23 PM
yeah i know what you mean, but that's quite dangerous.

The Crow
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:25 PM
yeah i know what you mean, but that's quite dangerous.
Indeed. Even more instability.

rand
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:30 PM
I'm afraid we get instability anyway
let's imagine cd&v sossen and groen:can't hold because, cd&v sandwitched between the two lefts can't put up the "nva" positions=>Bourgeois gets malcontent (stabbed in the back) leaves, and then we can vote again

cd&v vld and groen: groen can't do this, otherwise they lose the next elections again.....
tripartite vld spa cd&v completely impossible to work something out because of the differences:then the situation is the same as in Antwerp, and next elections only vlaams-blok can grow
idem with the four together....
then there's still cd&v vl blok...maybe I'd like that too because then we lose cd&v and vl blok the next elections :banana:
but cd&v can't do this.....

my system is the only one in which vl blok CAN be the main loser.....

E. Blackadder
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:33 PM
I would like to see how the VB would try to govern, i simply know by now that they will either not do the full term or will be punished at the next elections.

if leterme & bourgeois don't want to (which is understandable as they will be punished alongside the VB) if would like to see CD&V-NVA / SPA-SPIRIT / GROEN.

I would really really detest the classic 'tripartite', as this will be quarreling every single day

The Crow
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:46 PM
I have no solution whatsoever anyway. The traditional tripartite would have the advantage that the 3 main political parties have to work together. But they better think everything over beforehand, otherwise it would indeed be quarreling and another win for the VB (but where the hell do their voters keep coming from :mad: ).

The Crow
Jun 14th, 2004, 03:47 PM
I would like to see how the VB would try to govern, i simply know by now that they will either not do the full term or will be punished at the next elections.

It will be the first. With the VB trying to blame their coalition partner for everything.

Maajken
Jun 14th, 2004, 05:26 PM
apparently groen! doesnt want to be in government, so we're most likely headed for a tripartite :tape:

2ace2
Jun 14th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I voted for CD&V/Vlaams Blok, because with the Vlaams Blok in the government, maybe some issues can be solved, eg: immigrant voting right (vreemdelingenstemrecht voor als de vertaling ni zo goe is), more Flemish independance... And when that's all solved by the next Flemish elections, they can be thrown out again.
Other option would be CD&V/VLD/SPA, only because I want the VLD to stay

arn
Jun 14th, 2004, 05:49 PM
I voted for CD&V/Vlaams Blok, because with the Vlaams Blok in the government, maybe some issues can be solved, eg: immigrant voting right (vreemdelingenstemrecht voor als de vertaling ni zo goe is), more Flemish independance... And when that's all solved by the next Flemish elections, they can be thrown out again.
Other option would be CD&V/VLD/SPA, only because I want the VLD to stay
I don't see how the words "Vlaams Blok" and "solving issues" can be in the same sentence without NOT in between. They only have fake-oneliner-anwers for the problems.

Juju_La_Terreure
Jun 14th, 2004, 05:53 PM
I voted for CD&V/Vlaams Blok, because the Fasictic and Racistisc Vlaams Blok can only stopped when they get in the government, The only goal for the Vlaams Blok is racism against walloni. If they fail in the flemish parlement, they can be stopped in the more important federal elections. Withouth entering in the gouvernment they will grown again in our egoistic, racistic and fascistic flandern and they will be a treat for the Belgian union.
Flandern is the 6th rich region in europe and still the flemish people don't have enough. I am ashamed to be Flemish.

gentenaire
Jun 14th, 2004, 06:31 PM
I'd like to see a coalition without the socialists, for a change. Somehow the socialists are always in! OTOH, the sossen are more competent than the greens so I voted for the tripartite.

The VB will get its chance to govern and mess up after the next elections, when mayors will be voted directly.

arn
Jun 14th, 2004, 06:44 PM
Very classy of Groen to keep their promise about not entering the government! After which Letherm replyed; "I see that Groen is not taking up his responsibility!". The formation has not even begun and Letherme is already kicking around! What a positive alternative he offers :rolleyes: He feels he will have to need the others so the others can have demands aswell. I see a very shaky coallition ahead with only one winner; Vlaams Blok.

tfannis
Jun 14th, 2004, 08:52 PM
At least a coalition with the socialists.
But all the possible combinations suck...I prefer purple, no CD&V and NV-A. Too bad that's not an option anymore :(

Juju_La_Terreure
Jun 14th, 2004, 08:53 PM
but where the hell do their voters keep coming from :mad: .

I think there must be a vlaams-blok-virus in the computers.

*JR*
Jun 14th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Bob Verbeeck and Lei Clijsters run it whoever's in office! :p

Calvin
Jun 15th, 2004, 07:24 AM
I voted for CD&V/Vlaams Blok, because with the Vlaams Blok in the government, maybe some issues can be solved, eg: immigrant voting right (vreemdelingenstemrecht voor als de vertaling ni zo goe is)
Stemrecht voor migranten is een FEDERALE aangelegenheid. 't Vlaams Blok mag in de Vlaamse Regering nog op zijn kop gaan staan, ze heeft er geen enkele bevoegdheid over ...

Calvin
Jun 15th, 2004, 07:24 AM
oh, and my preferred coalition is paars-groen... tedju...

rand
Jun 15th, 2004, 08:40 AM
I voted for CD&V/Vlaams Blok, because with the Vlaams Blok in the government, maybe some issues can be solved, eg: immigrant voting right (vreemdelingenstemrecht voor als de vertaling ni zo goe is), more Flemish independance... And when that's all solved by the next Flemish elections, they can be thrown out again.
Other option would be CD&V/VLD/SPA, only because I want the VLD to stay
yes certainly, letting vlaams-blok in a flemish coallition will solve federal issues :roll:

rand
Jun 15th, 2004, 08:44 AM
Very classy of Groen to keep their promise about not entering the government! After which Letherm replyed; "I see that Groen is not taking up his responsibility!". The formation has not even begun and Letherme is already kicking around! What a positive alternative he offers :rolleyes: He feels he will have to need the others so the others can have demands aswell. I see a very shaky coallition ahead with only one winner; Vlaams Blok.
problem is: what is the relevance of a party who refuse to enter in a government WHATEVER the situation?
groen is nodig? I thought so until yesterday, now I'm not so sure anymore...it's normal they don' t want to step in a coalition at any cost, they paid a heavy price last time, BUT not even wanting to speak about it, or negociate? then they are truly obsolete and irrelevant....

William Hunt
Jun 15th, 2004, 10:09 AM
The one that I prefer : VLD-Vivant & SPA-Spirit, is not possible

Juju_La_Terreure
Jun 16th, 2004, 08:24 AM
The one that I prefer : VLD-Vivant & SPA-Spirit, is not possible

Indeed purple is the best coalition, but not possible anymore.
I think that the best way to end the VB is to let them participate
in the flemish governement. At Federal niveau they can do much more damage and in the opposition they will win again and again many votes.
It have to be a cd&v-VB alliance thant the people can open their eyes and learn for wich beast they have chosen. It's a pitty for the ones who have chosen for a democratic party but the situation is becoming extremely dangereous for Belgium. We must let them participate on flemish niveau or it's to late to save the federal niveau.
And the futur will be bright, see to Austria, they let the FP from Haider participate and they lost 75% from their votes.