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CJ07
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:01 PM
And when I say good, I mean a Kim Clijster's type serve.
What do you think? I definately think so.

Black Mamba.
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:03 PM
It depends on if she can gain mental toughness and strength. Getting to #1 in the world isn't all about the weapons a player has, but it is more about their mental toughness.

cool bird
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:04 PM
Im not sure about number 1. But I do think would be a proper top 5 player.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:04 PM
I think she would be a threat for number one, for sure.

Havok
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:05 PM
She could be top 5, but I don't think #1 because her groundstrokes (although extremely solid), are still too inconsistent.

CJ07
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:05 PM
It depends on if she can gain mental toughness and strength. Getting to #1 in the world isn't all about the weapons a player has, but it is more about their mental toughness.
I think the only inhibitions Dementieva has is her serve, with that gone, she's as mentally tough as anyone

DeDe4925
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:06 PM
I don't think she plays that well. She seems lucky.

CJ07
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:08 PM
She could be top 5, but I don't think #1 because her groundstrokes (although extremely solid), are still too inconsistent.
i think they're pretty inconsistent, they can fly however.
But in all honesty, I wouldn't call Venus, Serena, or Kim's groundstrokes all that consistent either :o :tape:

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:09 PM
Tjaa....why not give her Serena´s serve as well?! Everybody´s things they can improve..

DeDe4925
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:12 PM
i think they're pretty inconsistent, they can fly however.
But in all honesty, I wouldn't call Venus, Serena, or Kim's groundstrokes all that consistent either :o :tape:
Yeah, they are, except when they are having a bad day.

But, I am just not that impressed with Demented. Sharapova and Myskina are leagues better than her overall.

CapFan#1
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:12 PM
Way, way to soon to tell. Big groundies and a decent serve are not enough to be #1 anymore. You also need a really solid net game to have an all court game to be #1..... that's how Serena and Justine got there, and that is the way of the future... Alot of these girls can bang away from the baseline... it is the ones moving to net to finish points, and using a varied strategy that are ascending the top of the rankings. IMO, Elena is not there yet, but she does have the potential to develop to this. Alas, the serve is going to inhibit her. Clay may help her neutralize this weakness, but on all the other surfaces (which 75% of the tourneys are one) it is a huge hole in her game.......

cool bird
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:12 PM
I think the problem is Elena is 1 type player. And when she is hitting the ball well its all good. aka when she play MoMO. But when she is not she has no plan B see 4th round and the ann match

Dirty Sanchez
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:17 PM
If Dementieva reguarly performs like she did against Mauresmo and works on her serve she could still be a top player, maybe not number 1 but a regular top 5 player. But the performance against Maursemo was by far the best I've ever seen her play and I'm not too sure she can keep that kind of form going. It'll be interesting to see how she plays against Suarez, if she makes it to the final it could be the boost she needs to progress to the next level! :)

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:17 PM
I don't think she plays that well. She seems lucky.
I have to agree, really. She manages to junk ball winners when she needs to, but I do not know how.

She reminds me of Vivian Leigh, she could not act worth a damn but somehow faked her way through roles. She could never do an authentic Southern accent either.

CJ07
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:19 PM
I think the problem is Elena is 1 type player. And when she is hitting the ball well its all good. aka when she play MoMO. But when she is not she has no plan B see 4th round and the ann match
this is true, i don't think i've seen her slice more than a few balls, and her volley's aren't that pretty

CJ07
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:22 PM
If Dementieva reguarly performs like she did against Mauresmo and works on her serve she could still be a top player, maybe not number 1 but a regular top 5 player. But the performance against Maursemo was by far the best I've ever seen her play and I'm not too sure she can keep that kind of form going. It'll be interesting to see how she plays against Suarez, if she makes it to the final it could be the boost she needs to progress to the next level! :)
really? I think her match against Davenport was better (at AI, not FO), she just did everything beautifully

faboozadoo15
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:34 PM
imo, she WOULD be number one... but that's also bc i (unlike many) think she has the best groundstroke package in the game.
she could work on her overheads too, surely.

faboozadoo15
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:35 PM
I don't think she plays that well. She seems lucky.
LMAO!!!

fammmmedspin
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:40 PM
Depends if she can play that well often enough. Depends if Kim or Justine could stand-up to it better than Momo too. Not sure if Kim or Justine actually are that much better though - Elena seemed to have the tactics and strategy right, she's fast and she deployed a top 2 weapon.

Martian Willow
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:44 PM
I don't think she plays that well. She seems lucky.

...and if she had a better serve, she would be even luckier... :)

Julian
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:47 PM
IMO she COULD very well take the #2 spot in the world! I think that her groundstrokes and return game are very solid just like Lindsay Davenports..but the thing that seperates her and Lindsay (minus the serve and netplay) is that she is an EXCELLENT mover. I also think that there is no need for her to go to net anyways with such great groundplay. And she isnt bad a doubles player as well (#28 in the world at the moment)

Combine the movement and groundstrokes that she already has with a great serve and she could be right up there. I also think that she has great mental toughness which could lead her to contend for that #1 spot.

crazillo
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:50 PM
Sorry. I dont like this "If she had a good serve then...." threads...

She is the player she is and she cant change it. If Randriantefy had a Justine forehand, would she be top-20. oh wait, if a top-20 has it, she would be No. 5.....

Those threads are very very difficult cuz u never know how this kind of game would influence her.

Lindsay for example lost weight and is fit. OK; but does she lack the power she used to have now? Yes. Some years ago ppl. mighsaid: A Lindsay with a Martina movement would be easily No. 1.. They never thought about her lack of power.

I hope u got my point.

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:09 PM
Well, Momo is overpowerable.....can she overpower a Serena or Venus at full power?!

Veritas
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:19 PM
If Dementieva reguarly performs like she did against Mauresmo and works on her serve she could still be a top player, maybe not number 1 but a regular top 5 player. But the performance against Maursemo was by far the best I've ever seen her play and I'm not too sure she can keep that kind of form going. It'll be interesting to see how she plays against Suarez, if she makes it to the final it could be the boost she needs to progress to the next level! :)

Really? I don't think a RG finals appearance would do much to convince her to change that serve. She won in New York, Bali and Shanghai yet her serve hasn't improved much, so I think it's obvious the more success she's having with a crap serve, the less likely she'll want to do anything dramatic to change it.

DeDe4925
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:45 PM
I have to agree, really. She manages to junk ball winners when she needs to, but I do not know how.

She reminds me of Vivian Leigh, she could not act worth a damn but somehow faked her way through roles. She could never do an authentic Southern accent either.
:lol:

DeDe4925
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:46 PM
LMAO!!!
Oh, is this a serious thread?? :p

DeDe4925
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:48 PM
Depends if she can play that well often enough. Depends if Kim or Justine could stand-up to it better than Momo too. Not sure if Kim or Justine actually are that much better though - Elena seemed to have the tactics and strategy right, she's fast and she deployed a top 2 weapon.
:lol: Well, she didn't stand up to Serena in Miami. But, then again Serena is not Kim and Justine :p

flyingmachine
Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:51 PM
Way, way to soon to tell. Big groundies and a decent serve are not enough to be #1 anymore. You also need a really solid net game to have an all court game to be #1..... that's how Serena and Justine got there, and that is the way of the future... Alot of these girls can bang away from the baseline... it is the ones moving to net to finish points, and using a varied strategy that are ascending the top of the rankings. IMO, Elena is not there yet, but she does have the potential to develop to this. Alas, the serve is going to inhibit her. Clay may help her neutralize this weakness, but on all the other surfaces (which 75% of the tourneys are one) it is a huge hole in her game.......
I have to agree with you on that. If the players want to be #1 than a all round game is a must just like Serena and Justine. Also tantical awareness are important too. This is why I think at this moment of time Myskina is a better all round player than Dementieva.
By watching Dementieva playing she's just a clay specailst but not much else. There is no doubt she's a great clay player (Remenbered she beat Venus on 2003 in RG.) but have problems transfer her skills from clay to other surface.
She has the potential to devlope this futhur but the main problem for me on her is not really her serve but her attitude. She's too suborn and reluctant for change and in order to devlop her skills beyond clay. You know great champions always do well at mutli surfaces. She has to change this is not just serve part of the game which many of you in this forum know but also the net play and tatical awareness are important for that which is still her weakness in her game.

kodeRED
Jun 3rd, 2004, 01:13 AM
I have to agree with you on that. If the players want to be #1 than a all round game is a must just like Serena and Justine. Also tantical awareness are important too. This is why I think at this moment of time Myskina is a better all round player than Dementieva.
By watching Dementieva playing she's just a clay specailst but not much else. There is no doubt she's a great clay player (Remenbered she beat Venus on 2003 in RG.) but have problems transfer her skills from clay to other surface.
She has the potential to devlope this futhur but the main problem for me on her is not really her serve but her attitude. She's too suborn and reluctant for change and in order to devlop her skills beyond clay. You know great champions always do well at mutli surfaces. She has to change this is not just serve part of the game which many of you in this forum know but also the net play and tatical awareness are important for that which is still her weakness in her game.
Please know what you are talking about before you post... it was zvonareva who beat venus at RG in 2003!!! Elena's best surface is infact hardcourts.... and she is proving at this yr's RG that she can be a threat on any surface!

ys
Jun 3rd, 2004, 01:17 AM
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By watching Dementieva playing she's just a clay specailst but not much else. There is no doubt she's a great clay player (Remenbered she beat Venus on 2003 in RG.) but have problems transfer her skills from clay to other surface.
She has the potential to devlope this futhur but the main problem for me on her is not really her serve but her attitude. She's too suborn and reluctant for change and in order to devlop her skills beyond clay. You know great champions always do well at mutli surfaces.
:haha:

Chunchun
Jun 3rd, 2004, 02:23 AM
Yes

fammmmedspin
Jun 3rd, 2004, 02:30 AM
She beat Momo by attacking the net on key points why is this seen as a weak area? Its not as if you see many more people there more often than she was on Tuesday.

charmedRic
Jun 3rd, 2004, 02:32 AM
Throw in a Good Serve, a extra bit of mental consistency. And she'll give you a good run for your #1 spot.