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Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:44 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: That's all I've got to say.

Anna F'd Enrique
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:45 PM
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!1

Suarez or Dementieva are going to advance to the French Open FINAL!

Cariaoke
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:46 PM
Russian dominance?

that'll be the headlines for the next few weeks.

:tape:

KINGLIRE
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:46 PM
How Dare You Say That There Is 2 Russians In A Semi Final . Is That All You Have To Say. Discussing Them Then That Is A Disgrace. I Am Outraged

best best better
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:46 PM
it's about time. Now let's get one of 'em into the finals already! I'd love Alonya to do it.

KINGLIRE
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:48 PM
Seles3 How Do U Mean U Cant Believe. That Is Mean U Shud Be Disgusted And Ashamed U Mean Evil Person Thats If U Hav The Decensy To Be Called A Person

Annika18
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:48 PM
I hope its a Nastya vs Paola final, those two deserve it most in my eyes :)

sarza
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:49 PM
well done to both dementieva and myskina :)

Nemesis
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:49 PM
I want a Russian final with Nastya Winning :D

mboyle
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:52 PM
I hope its a Nastya vs Paola final, those two deserve it most in my eyes :)
let's calculate: the tv ratings for that would be exactly......ZERO!!! Paola should never get to a slam semi-final, let alone a final. No, it will be Dementieva vs. Capriati, which still shouldn't happen. Cappy vs. Sharapova or Mauresmo would have made for interesting tv, though the best would have been Serena vs. JHH.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:53 PM
I want a Russian final with Nastya Winning :D
I want two Russians in the finals... and I'll shoot myself if anyone of them wins. They are two of my faves and that would be simply pathetic if one loses.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:54 PM
let's calculate: the tv ratings for that would be exactly......ZERO!!! Paola should never get to a slam semi-final, let alone a final. No, it will be Dementieva vs. Capriati, which still shouldn't happen. Cappy vs. Sharapova or Mauresmo would have made for interesting tv, though the best would have been Serena vs. JHH.
Well that doesn't change the fact that the players deserve to be there. Tv is business, Tennis is sport.

Happy Guy
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:57 PM
Elena hit 18 DFs in the first round and she is still leading in the all round DFs leaderboard...well, should we continue to bash her simply because she is able to reach SF of a Grand Slam by beating Davenport and Mauresmo?

Geoffry
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:58 PM
I think it's great and it shows the 'dominance' the Russian players have lately, if Elena plays like her last two matches, she'll be a major threat to Paola and maybe to Jennifer -who I think will win against Anastasia, but you never know, looking at the draw

whorehand
Jun 1st, 2004, 04:58 PM
let's calculate: the tv ratings for that would be exactly......ZERO!!! Paola should never get to a slam semi-final, let alone a final. No, it will be Dementieva vs. Capriati, which still shouldn't happen. Cappy vs. Sharapova or Mauresmo would have made for interesting tv, though the best would have been Serena vs. JHH.

I'm sure the finalists, who ever they may be, will feel thoroughly guilty about the TV ratings.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:01 PM
go Nastya and Lena :D :banana: :D

who cares about ESPN ratings :p

i'm sure no one in Russia or Argentina does :p
nor in Europe :)

tennis fans will watch it :)

Lady
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:07 PM
In one interview Nastya once said, that her dream is

To play RG final against Lena Dementieva, cos they've been on tour both for long time :)

DEETHELICK
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:09 PM
I just hope Elena can win the next round, she will have to focus on herself and not let it get to her, which is why it is good Olga is there.

And the serve wasn't so bad! ;)

Leo_DFP
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:14 PM
Finally! All that talk about the Russians but no real results on the major stages until today. All of them could make it early in the second week, but no further than that.

Now the two "elder statesmen" (as Mary Carillo would say ;)) of the Russian clan are through to the semis. This is especially satisfying for me considering how easily they were written off last year by American commentators because of their serves. Everyone was talking about Zvonareva, Petrova, and Sharapova, who have all embarassingly let a a huge opportunity slip away to make it through the top quarter to the semis. Maybe Elena's and Nastya's serves do suck, but that's true for most of the top women anyway, and boy do they make up for their poor serves with some awesome baseline tennis.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:14 PM
I want to hear all their interviews! they must be thrilled!

Leo_DFP
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:15 PM
I just hope Elena can win the next round, she will have to focus on herself and not let it get to her, which is why it is good Olga is there.

And the serve wasn't so bad! ;)
Olga has really helped her game tremendously. What a smart decision for Dementieva to bring her on the team and it sure has paid off. I'd love so much to see her in the finals, and possibly even win! :)

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:18 PM
let's calculate: the tv ratings for that would be exactly......ZERO!!! Paola should never get to a slam semi-final, let alone a final. No, it will be Dementieva vs. Capriati, which still shouldn't happen. Cappy vs. Sharapova or Mauresmo would have made for interesting tv, though the best would have been Serena vs. JHH.
Even if Jennifer gets to the final, like I think she will, the ratings will be just as bad as the ratings for the finals were for the women last year. In fact, I think the Belmont Stakes wll get better ratings than the FO ladies' final.

sartrista7
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:20 PM
Even if Jennifer gets to the final, like I think she will, the ratings will be just as bad as the ratings for the finals were for the women last year. In fact, I think the Belmont Stakes wll get better ratings than the FO ladies' final.

You couldn't possibly imagine the extent to which most people simply don't give a fuck. :)

Nemesis
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:23 PM
I want two Russians in the finals... and I'll shoot myself if anyone of them wins. They are two of my faves and that would be simply pathetic if one loses.Well ... A Russian final = a final played with 2 players who are on the opposite side of the net and that have the Russian nationality :p

I like Natya more than Alyona, but Alyona deserves the tournament too after her performance today :hearts:

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:24 PM
You couldn't possibly imagine the extent to which most people simply don't give a fuck. :)
Apparently, stupid fuck, you do because you repsonded to my post.

Hantuchov
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:25 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

They deserved to! ;) :bounce:

tenn_ace
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:30 PM
well, this is just the beginning :bounce:

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:31 PM
Apparently, stupid fuck, you do because you repsonded to my post.
Hey, its no ones foult that the Americans weren't capable of getting to this stage of the tournament. It's also no ones foult but the Americans' that ESPN will now have low ratings on RG. And I don't give a f@ck on that.
What I do care about is the tennis that is being played, that I want to watch and other people want to watch, not the TV ratings.
It's a tennis forum afterall.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:36 PM
Hey, its no ones foult that the Americans weren't capable of getting to this stage of the tournament. It's also no ones foult but the Americans' that ESPN will now have low ratings on RG. And I don't give a f@ck on that.
What I do care about is the tennis that is being played, that I want to watch and other people want to watch, not the TV ratings.
It's a tennis forum afterall.
NBC doesn't care what you think, but they care about what thier advertisers think and their advertisers aren't going to buy airtime if marquee players aren't there and in the US, marquee players are:

The Williams sisters
Andre Aggasi
Andy Roddick
Anna Kournikova

It about MONEY too as well as tennis.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:39 PM
NBC doesn't care what you think, but they care about what thier advertisers think and their advertisers aren't going to buy airtime if marquee players aren't there and in the US, marquee players are:

The Williams sisters
Andre Aggasi
Andy Roddick
Anna Kournikova

It about MONEY too as well as tennis.
Great! Go discuss it in some television forum! People discuss tennis here.

watrat
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:40 PM
Phhh. Who cares about TV ratings. Want to see all russian final, but I'll be sad in both cases. I love both girls the same and want both to take that trophy home. :awww:

tenn_ace
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:40 PM
Great! Go discuss it in some television forum! People discuss tennis here.
:worship:

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:42 PM
Great! Go discuss it in some television forum! People discuss tennis here.
I will when the ratings come out on Sunday.:rolleyes:

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:42 PM
Phhh. Who cares about TV ratings. Want to see all russian final, but I'll be sad in both cases. I love both girls the same and want both to take that trophy home. :awww:
In the US, which is the biggest and richest TV market in the world, the netowrks care.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:47 PM
if you're crying so much about TV ratings
why dont u watch it instead of bitching

they when you wont have ANY coverage next yr
you'll be 1st one to complain :rolleyes:

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:47 PM
Phhh. Who cares about TV ratings. Want to see all russian final, but I'll be sad in both cases. I love both girls the same and want both to take that trophy home. :awww:
Let's cut it in half... Cancel the final.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:50 PM
In the US, which is the biggest and richest TV market in the world, the netowrks care.
Did you invest in those networks or something? You mean you want to watch something that will get more money to th enetworks, instead of tennis? They will still show the finals (too late to change anything) so...

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:52 PM
if you're crying so much about TV ratings
why dont u watch it instead of bitching

they when you wont have ANY coverage next yr
you'll be 1st one to complain :rolleyes:
If I were you, I'd just be happy that two Russians are in the semifinals for the first time in the Open Era becasue you may not see that for awhile.

Why should I watch it if my favorites are not in it? I didn't last year and the ratings were laughable:lol: and unfortunately they will be this year:lol: .

There will be coverage in the US next year regardless. If you knew anything about the business in the US and you don't, you'd know that there is going to coverage on out national TV stations, whether it is ABC, NBC or CBS, unless covering it costs too much money and then they would dump it to cable, which is what ESPN and EPSN2 is.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:54 PM
I'm not worried soon there will be 10-15 Russians in top 20

and most of top 50 will be European, then you'll be crying even more :lol:

This is only the START :)

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:55 PM
Did you invest in those networks or something? You mean you want to watch something that will get more money to th enetworks, instead of tennis? They will still show the finals (too late to change anything) so...
That's none of your business.

I was a business major in college so I know how this things work.

Actually, yes. This year, the NBA finals, the Belmont stakes (hoseracing which may involve a triple crown winner) and the baseball All-Star game will get more ratings than the FO finals and I am not just saying that because I like baseball and basketball and disappointed that Venus nor Serena are going to be in the final. I'm saying it becasue it's the truth, so deal with it.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:55 PM
There will be coverage in the US next year regardless. If you knew anything about the business in the US and you don't, you'd know that there is going to coverage on out national TV stations, whether it is ABC, NBC or CBS, unless covering it costs too much money and then they would dump it to cable, which is what ESPN and EPSN2 is.
then why are u crying so much over TV Coverage :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SJW
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:56 PM
omg if there is an all Russian final i will die :hearts:

Eggy, you're getting a bit ahead of yourself there ;) well...maybe not actually...

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:57 PM
I'm not worried soon there will be 10-15 Russians in top 20

and most of top 50 will be European, then you'll be crying even more :lol:

This is only the START :)
Four of our top ten women's players account for 16 Grand Slam titles.

The Russians currently account for 0 Grand Slam titles.

I'm not worried either.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:58 PM
Four of our top ten women's players account for 16 Grand Slam titles.

The Russians currently account for 0 Grand Slam titles.

I'm not worried either.
you will in 2-3 yrs time ;)

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 05:59 PM
then why are u crying so much over TV Coverage :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I am not crying over anything.

If you go back to what I wrote, I was answering what someone originally posted about TV ratings and agreeing with them. It went off on a tangent to TV coverage.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:00 PM
you will in 2-3 yrs time ;)
If the Russians are so good, why is it going to take that long?

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:02 PM
If the Russians are so good, why is it going to take that long?
the kids in juniors need time to make their way up ranks, thats why :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:05 PM
the kids in juniors need time to make their way up ranks, thats why :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Then explain how a country like Croatia has one GS champion and a country as big as Russia has yet to produce one?

BTW, I'll assume Russia had players in 1997, when Iva Majoli won.

SJW
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:07 PM
^ Goran won a slam i think...not too sure...don't think it was that important :)

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:08 PM
^ Goran won a slam i think...not too sure...don't think it was that important :)I know.;)

I was talking abotu the women.

Isn't Iva from the same country?

SJW
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:09 PM
i know.

i'm just in a strange mood today :)

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:10 PM
Then explain how a country like Croatia has one GS champion and a country as big as Russia has yet to produce one?

BTW, I'll assume Russia had players in 1997, when Iva Majoli won.
yes, 2 in top 100, about 10 players with any sort of ranking

tennis in Croatia has been going on for alot longer. its a NEW sport in Russia.


US now has around 150 players with ranks
US USED to have about 50-60 players in Top 100 15-20 yrs ago

count the numbers now.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:13 PM
yes, 2 in top 100, about 10 players with any sort of ranking

tennis in Croatia has been going on for alot longer. its a NEW sport in Russia.


US now has around 150 players with ranks
US USED to have about 50-60 players in Top 100 15-20 yrs ago

count the numbers now.
Obviously people get older and retire.

Plus we have other sports that kids can get into.

The facts are, our players have been more sucessful at the big events and your country hasn't. I am not saying that it can't happen, but you must admit, it is a little strange that Belgium has about 10 million people in their country and produced two number one players and a three time Grand Slam winner before Russia had, new sport or not, since Justine and Kim are around the same ages as Elena, Nadia and Anastasia.

hingis-seles
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:17 PM
lizchris = hater! :fiery:

;) :p

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:18 PM
Four of our top ten women's players account for 16 Grand Slam titles.

The Russians currently account for 0 Grand Slam titles.

I'm not worried either.

RG site sez: Olga Morozova is a two-time champ....
Not that it matters to you.

hingis-seles
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:18 PM
Even if Jennifer gets to the final, like I think she will, the ratings will be just as bad as the ratings for the finals were for the women last year. In fact, I think the Belmont Stakes wll get better ratings than the FO ladies' final.
The vultures have arrived. SWOOP!

;) :p

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:19 PM
RG site sez: Olga Morozova is a two-time champ....
Not that it matters to you.
I wasn't aware she won in singles.

If you want me to count doubles, then the numbers looks even worse.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:20 PM
Obviously people get older and retire.

Plus we have other sports that kids can get into.

The facts are, our players have been more sucessful at the big events and your country hasn't. I am not saying that it can't happen, but you must admit, it is a little strange that Belgium has about 10 million people in their country and produced two number one players and a three time Grand Slam winner before Russia had, new sport or not, since Justine and Kim are around the same ages as Elena, Nadia and Anastasia.

Russian tennis took 10 years to get into the top 10. American tennis had these 10 years about a 100 years ago. Wait for some time and they will get to the top.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:23 PM
Russian tennis took 10 years to get into the top 10. American tennis had these 10 years about a 100 years ago. Wait for some time and they will get to the top.
How do you expalin these countries?:

Argentina
Croatia
Belgium
Bulgaria

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:24 PM
I wasn't aware she won in singles.

If you want me to count doubles, then the numbers looks even worse.

Count the number of years over which these American titles were won, and compare. Plus, you may deduct some of the Navratilova's wins from your list, beacuse she won many before becomming American. Graffs as well.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:26 PM
How do you expalin these countries?:

Argentina
Croatia
Belgium
Bulgaria
Russia has more and better players than any of these countries. belgium was in the business for years, and I don't know the rest. Yes Belgium has two out-og-thi-world players, but that's all they have.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:26 PM
Count the number of years over which these American titles were won, and compare. Plus, you may deduct some of the Navratilova's wins from your list, beacuse she won many before becomming American. Graffs as well.
I am only talking about Jennifer, Lindsay and the sisters, not Martina N, nor Monica and definitly not Steffi, who is not an American citizen, though her children are.

Counting those four, the years span from 1998-2003 (to date)

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:28 PM
Russia has more and better players than any of these countries. belgium was in the business for years, and I don't know the rest. Yes Belgium has two out-og-thi-world players, but that's all they have.
True, but:

2 #1's > 0 #1's

3 Grand Slam singles titles > 0 Grand Slam singles titles

and I am just talking about Belgium.

Leo_DFP
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:28 PM
You couldn't possibly imagine the extent to which most people simply don't give a fuck. :)
Well said.

Vass22
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:35 PM
True, but:

2 #1's > 0 #1's

3 Grand Slam singles titles > 0 Grand Slam singles titles

and I am just talking about Belgium.

Agreed. What can I say about the numbers? The say it all...


END OF THIS DISCUSSION BY ME.... if you want to discuss the TV ratings go on, if you want... Don't forget to write a book on how Russian female players are shit in tennis and post it here. Emphasize on the fact that they become shettier and shettier the better their shity results get, and the more shity wins they post.

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:37 PM
Agreed. What can I say about the numbers? The say it all...


END OF THIS DISCUSSION BY ME.... if you want to discuss the TV ratings go on, if you want... Don't forget to write a book on how Russian female players are shit in tennis and post it here. Emphasize on the fact that they become shettier and shettier the better their shity results get, and the more shity wins they post.
If one doesn't win this GS or any this year, I won't have to write anything, the sports writes will do it for me.;)

shap_half
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:37 PM
:bounce: yay Elena and Anastasia!!!! Go on and make it both to the finals!!!!!!

CJ07
Jun 1st, 2004, 06:54 PM
you all really :rolleyes:

be happy for Elena and Anastasia
If there was an all-Russian final, that would be incredible

Kart
Jun 1st, 2004, 07:50 PM
Well it was bound to happen sooner or later - there are so many good Russian players.

I'd imagine it's only a matter of time before grand slam draws consist of 128 players, all Russian.

ys
Jun 1st, 2004, 07:55 PM
Actually, yes. This year, the NBA finals, the Belmont stakes (hoseracing which may involve a triple crown winner) and the baseball All-Star game will get more ratings than the FO finals and I am not just saying that because I like baseball and basketball and disappointed that Venus nor Serena are going to be in the final. I'm saying it becasue it's the truth, so deal with it.
Of course it is true. Sports like NBA are designed to be watched and enjoyed by proles who are ... majority.. :) Tennis is a noble game which suggests that only a small minority of people will ever find it interesting. Tennis is not designed to be the most popular game and Thanks God for that..

lizchris
Jun 1st, 2004, 08:03 PM
Of course it is true. Sports like NBA are designed to be watched and enjoyed by proles who are ... majority.. :) Tennis is a noble game which suggests that only a small minority of people will ever find it interesting. Tennis is not designed to be the most popular game and Thanks God for that..
Actually, that's not always true.

The NBA feared that basketball would suffer a ratings decline when Michael Jordan retired, but now with players like Shaq, Kobe, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony, people have not lost interest or have renewed interest.

the cat
Jun 1st, 2004, 08:08 PM
I am joyous, Joy(bajangurl)! :bounce: Thanks for remembering me. :kiss: Myskina's and Dementieva's great wins made me feel alot better after Sharapova lost. :) This is a golden opportunity for both Anastasia and Elena. I hope they both make the final and then we'll be assured of the first ever Russina grand slam singles champion! :D


The Russina's are coming! The Russina's are coming! :bounce: ;)

Melly Flew Us
Jun 1st, 2004, 08:21 PM
god!


i had to log injust to avoid reading that stupid cow's posts.

what a bitch

sartrista7
Jun 1st, 2004, 08:29 PM
Dava- forgot you;)

Cat- i can not believe Elena beat Amelie- did you see the match- i told ya'll that serve was a weapon- so was it on or not? I think she will beat paola- Nastya, ove of my girl's might have more of a problem beating cappy:)

She actually served pretty strongly - it wasn't a liability at all :eek: And as for those groundstrokes... fucking devastating, every one hit like a bullet. The way she launched herself at some of those balls, smacking them away from everywhere on court - wonderful.

I'm ecstatic... but also nervous, because I really really really want Nastya to beat JenFat.

Haha no prizes for guessing to whom Melly Flew Us is referring.

Justineladivine
Jun 1st, 2004, 08:32 PM
Maybe my dream of an all-Russian final is about to come true after all (cf. post a couple of days ago).But if it comes to that I won't know who to root for. My, I love them both equally. Actually despite the enormous shock I felt when Justine lost, I think it may be nice if a new regular pattern comes into the WTA. I mean all Williams finals, all-Belgian finals or all-Russian finals, that would pep things up, wouldn'it? I would also love a mix-up of all previous possibilities in GS events (no, I'm not changing my mind, I still like Justine best). But Elena and Nastia have long been my other favourites (together with Dokic, who's unfortunately going through a crappy period). Yes, I'd be elated if one of the two Russian girls ended up with the trophy