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henree
May 16th, 2004, 01:40 AM
"I also like to see Justine Henin-Hardenne play, I like Kim Clijsters' fighting spirit, but to me I think there are not many more beautiful things than a female player who plays proper clay court tennis on clay and actually knows how to slide properly and hit with a lot of top spin.

The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

switz
May 16th, 2004, 01:43 AM
this should be a nice thread

*JR*
May 16th, 2004, 01:46 AM
Mats coached Marat until Rather Recently BTW, and his brother coaches Sofia Arvidsson.

charmedRic
May 16th, 2004, 01:48 AM
I like the 'picking apart' comment from Mats. :)

henree
May 16th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Mats Wilander is a 7 time grand Slam champion winning the French Open 3 times... :eek:

Volcana
May 16th, 2004, 01:54 AM
"..... there are not many more beautiful things than a female player who plays proper clay court tennis on clay and actually knows how to slide properly and hit with a lot of top spin.""I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."Gee, Mats, anyone would think you excelled as a clay court player, knew how to slide and hit with a lot of topspin, and picked opponents apart mentally and physically.

What? Australian Open champ 1983, 1984 and 1988. French Open champ 1982, 1985 and 1988. US Open champ 1988.

Details.

What does HE know about tennis?

Martian KC
May 16th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Mats!:worship:

treufreund
May 16th, 2004, 05:33 AM
great quotes :D

Siyasema
May 16th, 2004, 05:38 AM
The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."
He doesn't enjoy watching Venus and Serena... he does enjoy watching Venus and Serena pick opponets apart physically and mentally... So he watches them while not liking to watch them, but liking some things they do while he's watching them :confused:

Venus and Serena can't win them all :)

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 06:37 AM
:lol: I guess you canīt enjoy it all...just some of it. So he doesnīt enjoy watching them but does enjoy watching them picking people apart.

Crazy Canuck
May 16th, 2004, 07:35 AM
I interpretted his comments on Venus and Serena to mean that he doesn't root for them, but respects their talents and enjoys to watch what they can do. His comment was rather ambiguous, however.

per4ever
May 16th, 2004, 08:30 AM
he just says the williams sisters don't have a beautiful game to watch..but it is great to see how they can pick an opponent apart physically.

DemWilliamsGulls
May 16th, 2004, 08:55 AM
I interpretted his comments on Venus and Serena to mean that he doesn't root for them, but respects their talents and enjoys to watch what they can do. His comment was rather ambiguous, however.

Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win. For many years so call "experts" have preached what the RIGHT and WRONG TECHNIQUES to use....and mostly geared WRONG techniques towards the Williams Sisters until they proved THEM wrong. What's the use of having a "beautiful game" if u cant win. Anyway... :rolleyes: @ Mats statement at the Williams sisters...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????

veera
May 16th, 2004, 09:20 AM
I just love those Swedish guys :kiss:

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 10:36 AM
Real shame that he doesnīt enjoy the sistersīs game, but alas......

Allez-H
May 16th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Yet another legend who enjoys Justines game :dance:
Welcome to the club Mats :yeah:

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 11:44 AM
Yet another legend who enjoys Justines game :dance:
Welcome to the club Mats :yeah:

lucky girl! Some get nothing but hate! :sad: :o

Allez-H
May 16th, 2004, 12:20 PM
lucky girl! Some get nothing but hate! :sad: :o
What do you mean by that?

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 12:25 PM
What do you mean by that?

Exactly that....some players get no love....

Allez-H
May 16th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Exactly that....some players get no love....
Like Justine get's praised all the time??!!!
It's just that most of the 'legends' like her game because it's a mixture.It's not fully power and it's not fully touch either.
I guess they kinda find themselves in her game :shrug:
Whereas with Serena's or Venus' games is total different kind of game than theirs

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Like Justine get's praised all the time??!!!
It's just that most of the 'legends' like her game because it's a mixture.It's not fully power and it's not fully touch either.
I guess they kinda find themselves in her game :shrug:
Whereas with Serena's or Venus' games is total different kind of game than theirs


I guess so....

Ballbuster
May 16th, 2004, 12:52 PM
The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

Translation:

I cannot stand those girls, but I respect their game.

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 01:09 PM
Translation:

I cannot stand those girls, but I respect their game.

and in the end thatīs all that matters: RESPECT!

Volcana
May 16th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win.
Some of it IS about watching a beautiful game. I don't enjoy watching Conchi because her game is still top ten quality. It isn't. But it's beautiful to watch.

Mats Wilander has an advantage over most people. He can SEE tennis players picking people apart mentally. Most people can't. Think about all the people who've posted that 'all the Williams sisters do is hit hard'. He's making a distinction between the physical and mental side of tennis that most people can't even see. On the physical side, he'd rather watch Kim. On the mental side, he'd rather watch Serena. (He's also making the point that he thinks the most 'beautiful' tennis is played on clay.)

Given that Justine is the closest approximation of a player with Serena's mental ability and Kim physical ability, it's no particular surprise he'd like watching her play on clay.

The more you examine what he said, the more complimentary it seems. It's sort of like, physically, you'd rather watch Kobe Bryant, but mentally, you'd rather watch Jason Kidd.

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Some of it IS about watching a beautiful game. I don't enjoy watching Conchi because her game is still top ten quality. It isn't. But it's beautiful to watch.

Mats Wilander has an advantage over most people. He can SEE tennis players picking people apart mentally. Most people can't. Think about all the people who've posted that 'all the Williams sisters do is hit hard'. He's making a distinction between the physical and mental side of tennis that most people can't even see. On the physical side, he'd rather watch Kim. On the mental side, he'd rather watch Serena. (He's also making the point that he thinks the most 'beautiful' tennis is played on clay.)

Given that Justine is the closest approximation of a player with Serena's mental ability and Kim physical ability, it's no particular surprise he'd like watching her play on clay.

The more you examine what he said, the more complimentary it seems. It's sort of like, physically, you'd rather watch Kobe Bryant, but mentally, you'd rather watch Jason Kidd.

Can live with that...

Aphex
May 16th, 2004, 03:01 PM
Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win. For many years so call "experts" have preached what the RIGHT and WRONG TECHNIQUES to use....and mostly geared WRONG techniques towards the Williams Sisters until they proved THEM wrong. What's the use of having a "beautiful game" if u cant win. Anyway... :rolleyes: @ Mats statement at the Williams sisters...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????
This is meant to be a joke, right? Otherwise :rolleyes:

G_Slammed
May 16th, 2004, 05:48 PM
He doesn't enjoy watching Venus and Serena... he does enjoy watching Venus and Serena pick opponets apart physically and mentally... So he watches them while not liking to watch them, but liking some things they do while he's watching them http://wtaworld.com/ubb/confused.gif
I'm starting to see that the expert legends don't really know what sort of games Venus/Serena have.

WF4EVER
May 16th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win. For many years so call "experts" have preached what the RIGHT and WRONG TECHNIQUES to use....and mostly geared WRONG techniques towards the Williams Sisters until they proved THEM wrong. What's the use of having a "beautiful game" if u cant win. Anyway... :rolleyes: @ Mats statement at the Williams sisters...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????

I agree with you. As far as I've been told it's not the player who looks the best playing out there, but the player who does what needs to be done and whose name follows "Game, Set and Match".

I gather mats doesn't like what's called "power tennis" but he respects V&S's mental and physical abilities.

Kart
May 16th, 2004, 06:08 PM
...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????
:rolls: You crack me up :rolls:.

I don't much care for Mats Wilander but he was three wins away from THE GRAND SLAM in 1988 so he gets a :worship: from me.

Crazy Canuck
May 16th, 2004, 06:27 PM
...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????

Best. Post. Ever.

This is how we separate the player fans from the tennis fans, folks...

SJW
May 16th, 2004, 06:35 PM
he just says the williams sisters don't have a beautiful game to watch..
:haha: which comments are YOU reading :eek:

he said he doesn't enjoy watching them play tennis, he enjoys watching them pick their opponents apart. this can mean many things.

a) he doesn't like watching them, just likes how they are mentally
b) he doesn't watch them for the tennis, just their mental game

etc...

Eurotennisfan
May 16th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Best. Post. Ever.

This is how we separate the player fans from the tennis fans, folks...
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Eurotennisfan
May 16th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Best. Post. Ever.

This is how we separate the player fans from the tennis fans, folks...

didn't someone have a "hall of shame" in their signature? I nominate that post!

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 06:45 PM
I'm starting to see that the expert legends don't really know what sort of games Venus/Serena have.

Helllo!! They donīt have any games whatsoever. Donīt you know....they just hit the ball hard and pray that it stays in. Thatīs it...they donīt have no idea what a serve is, how to return, etc...

hotandspicey
May 16th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Translation:

I cannot stand those girls, but I respect their game. Another translation:They don't belong in this white sport,but what the hell !I'm into rough sex.I enjoy fantasizing!! :tape: :lol: :lol:

faste5683
May 16th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Another translation:They don't belong in this white sport,but what the hell !I'm into rough sex.I enjoy fantasizing!! :tape: :lol: :lol:

Those dirty, racist Swedes are all alike...:rolleyes:

Martian KC
May 16th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win. For many years so call "experts" have preached what the RIGHT and WRONG TECHNIQUES to use....and mostly geared WRONG techniques towards the Williams Sisters until they proved THEM wrong. What's the use of having a "beautiful game" if u cant win. Anyway... :rolleyes: @ Mats statement at the Williams sisters...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????

That's just too rich!! :lol: :haha:

DunkMachine
May 16th, 2004, 08:32 PM
Wielander I don't enjoy reading his fucked up English.

STFU "neverwas", but I respect your opinion.

Knizzle
May 16th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Another player who doesn't like the sisters' games. What a surprise!!

flyingmachine
May 16th, 2004, 09:46 PM
"I also like to see Justine Henin-Hardenne play, I like Kim Clijsters' fighting spirit, but to me I think there are not many more beautiful things than a female player who plays proper clay court tennis on clay and actually knows how to slide properly and hit with a lot of top spin.

The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

It sounds like the Williams fans will trying to grill this very soon. :lol: However it's very understandable.

Crazy Canuck
May 17th, 2004, 05:20 AM
Those dirty, racist Swedes are all alike...:rolleyes:
This post is just laced with irony!

Crazy Canuck
May 17th, 2004, 05:22 AM
Wielander I don't enjoy reading his fucked up English.

STFU "neverwas", but I respect your opinion.
I am continuing to laugh out loud at those of you who think that Mats Wilander is a "never was".

Look up his record and hang your heads in shame, folks.

And come on... if you're going to insult his English (which is extremely ignorant of you in the first place, since it's at least his second language if not third or more, and I'd love to know how many you speak)... at least spell his NAME correctly. A typo is a typo... but Cmon!

Kabezya
May 17th, 2004, 05:24 AM
He doesn't enjoy watching Venus and Serena... he does enjoy watching Venus and Serena pick opponets apart physically and mentally... So he watches them while not liking to watch them, but liking some things they do while he's watching them :confused:

Venus and Serena can't win them all :)


:lol:

Crazy Canuck
May 17th, 2004, 05:26 AM
didn't someone have a "hall of shame" in their signature? I nominate that post!

I'd like to nominate a few from this thread, actually :D

SerialKiller#69
May 17th, 2004, 05:30 AM
Its not about watching a beautiful game.....its about using what u have to win. For many years so call "experts" have preached what the RIGHT and WRONG TECHNIQUES to use....and mostly geared WRONG techniques towards the Williams Sisters until they proved THEM wrong. What's the use of having a "beautiful game" if u cant win. Anyway... :rolleyes: @ Mats statement at the Williams sisters...who the hell is Mats Wilander anyway...and what notable accomplishments has me made in the tennis world?????????????


It's Mats Wilander's opinion.Got it? His. It's not his fault that his quote found its way in here.

skanky~skanketta
May 17th, 2004, 06:05 AM
i agree with him. i love the sister's brutality.

DunkMachine
May 17th, 2004, 07:44 AM
I am continuing to laugh out loud at those of you who think that Mats Wilander is a "never was".

Look up his record and hang your heads in shame, folks.

And come on... if you're going to insult his English (which is extremely ignorant of you in the first place, since it's at least his second language if not third or more, and I'd love to know how many you speak)... at least spell his NAME correctly. A typo is a typo... but Cmon!
I understand a total of 5 languages 3 of which I can speak fluently. Wilander was a hippie Bjorn Borg wannabe. The tight shorts back then cut the circulation to his brain. He played tennis like a pussy but I respect his opinion. Thats just my very humble, very irrational opinion.:kiss:

wave
May 17th, 2004, 09:22 AM
So what if you understand 5 languages and his Engish is not perfect? He was a multiple Grand Slam winner and a former no. 1, won 3 GS in one year. (Btw. he was no hippie at all, Borg was, if anybody was, a hippie player). What are your results in tennis? And are we talking about tennis or perfect English?
And a Borg wannabe? Aren't that all players concerning the success (with the exception of Pete S.)?

I don't understand why he comments on female tennis at all, however, not all people have to like the Williams style of tennis...got it?:rolleyes:

That said, I prefer to watch them playing to some other players around.

Mats Wilander was known for his fairness on court. :worship: Therefore I don't really know what led to this comment...

Madhuri
May 17th, 2004, 09:56 AM
I disagree with his assertion that Venus and Serena are "physically stronger" than everyone. That is absolute rubbish especially regarding Venus. There are many players who go toe-to-toe with the Williams in power. The fact that the Williams can win when faced with someone of equal or greater strength is a credit to their tactical skills on the court.

GoDominique
May 17th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Why are some of you surprised that people here don't know Mats Wilander?
These people also believe that Björk is a tennis player.

V-MAC
May 17th, 2004, 10:43 AM
"I also like to see Justine Henin-Hardenne play, I like Kim Clijsters' fighting spirit, but to me I think there are not many more beautiful things than a female player who plays proper clay court tennis on clay and actually knows how to slide properly and hit with a lot of top spin.

The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

:rolleyes: I think if Mat had his way, womens' tennis would still have pleated skirts and wooden racquets :o

spec7er
May 17th, 2004, 12:47 PM
His take on the William's sister for me is an accurate one. We all know and already accept that though they are physically strong (or stronger in some cases) than their opponents, but what sets them apart is their mental strength. And Wilander just stated this. And as to his preference for players like Amelie Mauresmo and Justine Henin-Hardenne, it is basically up to him who he likes. He just said that he loves seeing female players who know how to play clay court tennis and that for him is the beautiful game. So I would guess judging from there that Serena and Venus wouldn't really fit into what he terms as beautiful tennis then you draw you're as to whether you should hate on him or not.

Crazy Canuck
May 18th, 2004, 02:36 AM
I understand a total of 5 languages 3 of which I can speak fluently. Wilander was a hippie Bjorn Borg wannabe. The tight shorts back then cut the circulation to his brain. He played tennis like a pussy but I respect his opinion. Thats just my very humble, very irrational opinion.:kiss:
See, I misunderstood you. I thought that you were indicating he was a "never was", from which I assumed you did not now how much he had accomplished. My bad.

I don't really care how many languages you speak, by the way, that is no reason to bag on Mats English. But whatever.

Crazy Canuck
May 18th, 2004, 02:37 AM
Why are some of you surprised that people here don't know Mats Wilander?
These people also believe that Björk is a tennis player.
LOL

So very true. But you can't just let comments like "what has Mats Wilander ever done in the tennis world" go by without pointing and laughing.

Aphex
May 18th, 2004, 03:00 AM
His take on the William's sister for me is an accurate one. We all know and already accept that though they are physically strong (or stronger in some cases) than their opponents, but what sets them apart is their mental strength. And Wilander just stated this. And as to his preference for players like Amelie Mauresmo and Justine Henin-Hardenne, it is basically up to him who he likes. He just said that he loves seeing female players who know how to play clay court tennis and that for him is the beautiful game. So I would guess judging from there that Serena and Venus wouldn't really fit into what he terms as beautiful tennis then you draw you're as to whether you should hate on him or not.
:worship:
And what is wrong with Mats' English? He has lived in the US the last 18 years or something, and he's married to a South African woman. I guess they speak English with eachother. :confused:

vettipooh
May 18th, 2004, 03:25 AM
He's not making himself very clear,so we have to attempt to decipher what he actually means.Here's my interpretation:If Venus and Serena are playing,and they are picking their opponents apart mentally and physically(some how he feels he has the ability to detect when they are doing so),then he enjoys watching them.If they are playing,and not doing so,then he doesn't enjoy watching them.So he really enjoys watching them,period!!!!He has to,in order to see at what point in their match,they begin to do,what he CLAIMS to enjoy.He has to look forward to their matches....to the anticipation of them torturing their opponents..........and that's enjoyment! Another interpretation.....He does not enjoy watching the sisters play each other,to put it simply!!!! He should have elaborated.

servenrichie
May 18th, 2004, 12:02 PM
Best. Post. Ever.

This is how we separate the player fans from the tennis fans, folks...What difference does it make?
They are all fans and have the right to their opinions:mad:

servenrichie
May 18th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Why are some of you surprised that people here don't know Mats Wilander?
These people also believe that Björk is a tennis player.Yea and there are people who still cant different between their lips and their assholes. Shit happens:shrug:

servenrichie
May 18th, 2004, 12:25 PM
Those dirty, racist Swedes are all alike...:rolleyes:Stupid fools who never cease making fun of serious issues are all alike and sadly still present:devil:

William Hunt
May 18th, 2004, 12:29 PM
The mental aspect is certainly an important factor with the Williams sisters, they always try to intimitade their oponents on and off court and this works very well, I dare to say that some players feel so intimitated that they are scared to play against them.

servenrichie
May 18th, 2004, 12:54 PM
The mental aspect is certainly an important factor with the Williams sisters, they always try to intimitade their oponents on and off court and this works very well, I dare to say that some players feel so intimitated that they are scared to play against them.Scared to play? I believe players bring their A-game against them:o

~ The Leopard ~
May 18th, 2004, 12:57 PM
All he did was say that he enjoys watching Justine and Kim for their classical clay-court tennis (as he sees it), and also enjoys watching Venus and Serena for their physical power, mental strength, and surgical destruction of opponents (as he sees it). I don't see how he insulted anyone. What's more, few people are better qualified to make those sorts of comments, when asked (as he doubtless was). The man is a multi-slam winner, for God's sake. You don't have to agree with his perceptions, but you've gotta respect him.

Gus
May 18th, 2004, 12:58 PM
this should be a nice thread

LOL
At least a professional tennis player admits and confirms what everybody thinks.
The sistahs kill the game - but we still like them a lot for this very special strategy !

servenrichie
May 18th, 2004, 01:09 PM
LOL
At least a professional tennis player admits and confirms what everybody thinks.
The sistahs kill the game - but we still like them a lot for this very special strategy !Good, I hope they succeed well in "killing the game":rolleyes:

bandabou
May 18th, 2004, 01:18 PM
All he did was say that he enjoys watching Justine and Kim for their classical clay-court tennis (as he sees it), and also enjoys watching Venus and Serena for their physical power, mental strength, and surgical destruction of opponents (as he sees it). I don't see how he insulted anyone. What's more, few people are better qualified to make those sorts of comments, when asked (as he doubtless was). The man is a multi-slam winner, for God's sake. You don't have to agree with his perceptions, but you've gotta respect him.


Respect! still donīt understand him....so Kimīs the classical clay-courter now?!

bandabou
May 18th, 2004, 01:19 PM
I disagree with his assertion that Venus and Serena are "physically stronger" than everyone. That is absolute rubbish especially regarding Venus. There are many players who go toe-to-toe with the Williams in power. The fact that the Williams can win when faced with someone of equal or greater strength is a credit to their tactical skills on the court.

Exactly...donīt think Lindsay, Elena B, Nadia,etc....look more physically imposing than Serena?!

oddkayla
May 18th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Winning is all that matters. Every player who has ever lost to Venus and Serena will tell you that. Justine does not care about a pretty game. She cares about the trophy she holds aloft.

People used to complain about Steffi's game. Guess what? That game yielded her at least 4 trophies in each of the 4 slams, for a total of 22 titles and countless in other tournies. It does not matter how she did. It matters that she did it!

~ The Leopard ~
May 18th, 2004, 02:25 PM
You're right, bandabou...I think. Without checking, I think he only praised Kim for her fighting spirit. The praise for her was probably fainter than that for the Vee and Ree. The thing is, he tried to say something nice about all of them, the way I read it. It sounds to me more like somewhat doing his best to beat up some interest than someone trying to denigrate Venus and Serena.

But I'm still laughing about the comments by people who ask what has he ever accomplished in tennis. :lol:

bandabou
May 18th, 2004, 02:28 PM
You're right, bandabou...I think. Without checking, I think he only praised Kim for her fighting spirit. The praise for her was probably fainter than that for the Vee and Ree. The thing is, he tried to say something nice about all of them, the way I read it. It sounds to me more like somewhat doing his best to beat up some interest than someone trying to denigrate Venus and Serena.

But I'm still laughing about the comments by people who ask what has he ever accomplished in tennis. :lol:

Guess so....saying I donīt enjoy their games but enjoy their mentallity...well, you can take it as positive.

DA FOREHAND
May 18th, 2004, 02:40 PM
There's very little seperating the talent level of the top players ..i.e.

justine,kim,lindsay,jennifer,venus,serena,amelie

It's the mental and physical as in fitness that sets them apart.

Venus and Serena were ruling the roost until both were stricken w/injury(physical) of the remaining players only justine stepped it up physcially and mentally which is why she is the number one player in the world right now.

Kim physically she could go for weeks, but at the big show mental mashed potatoes.

Amelie, physically suspect, mentally suspect.

Jennifer physical yo-yo, mentally a little on the tender side.

Lindsay attempting to re-build mentally, physcally she seems to be fine now. At her best she was great at making you beat her. If you were gonna win the match it would have to be on your serve.

DunkMachine
May 18th, 2004, 08:03 PM
You're right, bandabou...I think. Without checking, I think he only praised Kim for her fighting spirit. The praise for her was probably fainter than that for the Vee and Ree. The thing is, he tried to say something nice about all of them, the way I read it. It sounds to me more like somewhat doing his best to beat up some interest than someone trying to denigrate Venus and Serena.

But I'm still laughing about the comments by people who ask what has he ever accomplished in tennis. :lol:[IRRATIONAL FANBOY MODE]
Pff 7 slams........ I ain't impressed. If he had been more positive about the WS, my opinion would be different.

This lucky 7 slam winning fool would rather have players prance around like a ballerina instead of playing tennis with effort and heart. These pseudo-connaisseurs make me sick. Just because he won a few slams from a bunch of freaky-haired hippies don't make him an expert.

Rub
May 19th, 2004, 12:33 AM
nice quotes! :bounce:

WorldWar24
May 19th, 2004, 01:01 AM
The fact that the Williams can win when faced with someone of equal or greater strength is a credit to their tactical skills on the court.

:silly:

NO IT IS NOT THEY ARE JUST MENTALLY STRONGER. WHY DO YOU THINK SERENA MADE CLIJSTERS CHOKE AND HAND HER THE OZZ SLAM? BECAUSE SERENA IS A BETTER TACTICIAN? NOPE. BECAUSE SHE SCARED KIMMY TO DEATH WITH HER PERSEVERANCE :angel:

Madhuri
May 19th, 2004, 01:15 AM
:silly:

NO IT IS NOT THEY ARE JUST MENTALLY STRONGER. WHY DO YOU THINK SERENA MADE CLIJSTERS CHOKE AND HAND HER THE OZZ SLAM? BECAUSE SERENA IS A BETTER TACTICIAN? NOPE. BECAUSE SHE SCARED KIMMY TO DEATH WITH HER PERSEVERANCE :angel:

Choking is something a player does by themselves. No opponent can make you choke. If "Kimmy " was scared of another player or got tight under pressure that is entirely her own fault and a sign of mental weakness on her part.

Dawn Marie
May 19th, 2004, 04:39 AM
It is not just their mental game but their game.

Kim's fighting spirit? The kid is a choker for gods sakes.

Mats is a bit dense.. in his assessment of the WTA players. Has this man ever watched the women play.. and during the French open? LMAO

DeDe4925
May 19th, 2004, 04:53 AM
I think it was a great compliment and :rolleyes: to the people who are cheering him because they think he insulted the Sisters. He said in essence that they have it all, and that's why they dominate. I think he meant that they don't just play, they dominate.

DunkMachine
May 19th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Saying that you like their dedication but dislike the tennis, is not a compliment.

Crazy Canuck
May 19th, 2004, 08:03 AM
What difference does it make?
They are all fans and have the right to their opinions:mad:
Sure, but their opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt, because they know absolutely fuck all.

Crazy Canuck
May 19th, 2004, 08:04 AM
Saying that you like their dedication but dislike the tennis, is not a compliment.
It's also not necessarily an insult.

But hey, why beat a dead horse? Who the Hell is Mats Wilander anyways? What does he know about tennis?

Martian Jeza
May 19th, 2004, 08:05 AM
i agree with him. i love the sister's brutality.


Yeah, I love their brutality. I will take them as bodyguards :p

Crazy Canuck
May 19th, 2004, 08:06 AM
:silly:

NO IT IS NOT THEY ARE JUST MENTALLY STRONGER. WHY DO YOU THINK SERENA MADE CLIJSTERS CHOKE AND HAND HER THE OZZ SLAM? BECAUSE SERENA IS A BETTER TACTICIAN? NOPE. BECAUSE SHE SCARED KIMMY TO DEATH WITH HER PERSEVERANCE :angel:
Do you think that hitting "Caps Lock" helps to get your point across a little clearer than not? Because it doesn't. It really, truly doesn't. Why people insist on using this function I will never know, but it makes posts completely unreadable. Well, that is if you are like me and can't be bothered to read posts from people who are YELLING AT YOU.

Martian Jeza
May 19th, 2004, 08:06 AM
It is not just their mental game but their game.

Kim's fighting spirit? The kid is a choker for gods sakes.

Mats is a bit dense.. in his assessment of the WTA players. Has this man ever watched the women play.. and during the French open? LMAO

I would like to be a choker like Kim specialy at Bank account level

Marcus1979
May 19th, 2004, 08:06 AM
The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis - I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

these 2 thoughts contradict each other.

On one hand he says he does't enjoy watching them.

On the other hand he likes watching them

Crazy Canuck
May 19th, 2004, 08:07 AM
[IRRATIONAL FANBOY MODE]
Pff 7 slams........ I ain't impressed. If he had been more positive about the WS, my opinion would be different.

This lucky 7 slam winning fool would rather have players prance around like a ballerina instead of playing tennis with effort and heart. These pseudo-connaisseurs make me sick. Just because he won a few slams from a bunch of freaky-haired hippies don't make him an expert.
My God. What interview did you read? Clearly not the same one that I did.

I give up. You people are stupid. (I'll still pop in to point and laugh, however. Who is Mats Wilander?)

Marcus1979
May 19th, 2004, 08:27 AM
[IRRATIONAL FANBOY MODE]
Pff 7 slams........ I ain't impressed. If he had been more positive about the WS, my opinion would be different.

This lucky 7 slam winning fool would rather have players prance around like a ballerina instead of playing tennis with effort and heart. These pseudo-connaisseurs make me sick. Just because he won a few slams from a bunch of freaky-haired hippies don't make him an expert.

For the record Wilander defeated some good playes to get his slams

1982 Roland Garros defeated Guillermo Vilas 1-6 7-6 6-0 6-4
1983 Australian Open defeated Ivan Lendl 6-1 6-4 6-4
1984 Australian Open defeated Kevin Curren 6-7 6-4 7-6 6-2 (who is he)
1985 Roland Garros defeated Ivan Lendl 3-6 6-4 6-2 6-2
1988 Australian Open defeated Pat Cash 6-3 6-7 3-6 6-1 8-6
1988 Roland Garros defeated Henri Leconte 7-5 6-2 6-1 (who is he)
1988 US Open defeated Ivan Lendl 6-4 4-6 6-3 5-7 6-4

out of the 7 slams he defeated good players in 5 of them.

servenrichie
May 19th, 2004, 10:46 AM
Sure, but their opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt, because they know absolutely fuck all.Just like yours, his and many others. People blinded by prejudice for one reason or the other dont have opinions that are valid, in any case they have to be taken with a grain of insult. So push off with your moral apostling, it is boring and ingratiating:o

servenrichie
May 19th, 2004, 10:48 AM
Yeah, I love their brutality. I will take them as bodyguards :pI know you are born stupid, however didnt you set a boundary for yourself?
You keep sinking and sinking that you stink:rolleyes:

Martian Jeza
May 19th, 2004, 10:51 AM
I know you are born stupid, however didnt you set a boundary for yourself?
You keep sinking and sinking that you stink:rolleyes:

I'm born stupid, I know and thx to remind me that !

DunkMachine
May 19th, 2004, 12:35 PM
My God. What interview did you read? Clearly not the same one that I did.

I give up. You people are stupid. (I'll still pop in to point and laugh, however. Who is Mats Wilander?)Who the fuck are you referring to as "you people". I believe I was the only one questioning this fools credibility. You think my opinion was bullshit, that's just exactly my opinion of Mats' view. "I don't like their game but they mentality break down players" is NOT a compliment nor does it have anything to do with tennis. How the FUCK is it possible to give a lobotomize an opponent by returning a tennisball. What the hell is he talking about. This dude is on crack and anyone agreeing with him is sniffing glue.

So please do give it up and save your "wisdom" for someone who's down at your level.

DeDe4925
May 19th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Saying that you like their dedication but dislike the tennis, is not a compliment.
He didn't say anything about dedication. He said that he liked seeing them pick their opponents apart mentally and that they have the physical and mental capability to dominate. To me, that's a compliment.

DeDe4925
May 19th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Who the fuck are you referring to as "you people". I believe I was the only one questioning this fools credibility. You think my opinion was bullshit, that's just exactly my opinion of Mats' view. "I don't like their game but they mentality break down players" is NOT a compliment nor does it have anything to do with tennis. How the FUCK is it possible to give a lobotomize an opponent by returning a tennisball. What the hell is he talking about. This dude is on crack and anyone agreeing with him is sniffing glue.

So please do give it up and save your "wisdom" for someone who's down at your level.
I do think that you really need to go back and read the quote again. I think you read it once and twisted it around in your head to say something else, or else you are misquoting in order to support your argument. To each his own, you decided to take what he said negatively. I decided to take it positively. Until he explains himself more fully or we get the ability to read his mind, no one is right or wrong on this issue, it's just a matter of how you look at it.

samn
May 19th, 2004, 05:21 PM
For the record Wilander defeated some good playes to get his slams

1982 Roland Garros defeated Guillermo Vilas 1-6 7-6 6-0 6-4
1983 Australian Open defeated Ivan Lendl 6-1 6-4 6-4
1984 Australian Open defeated Kevin Curren 6-7 6-4 7-6 6-2 (who is he)



Kevin Curren also lost to Boris Becker in the 1985 Wimbledon final. Former top tenner who beat McEnroe and Connors en route to the 1985 Wimbledon final, and Lendl on his way to the 1984 AO final. Curren was a big serving grass court specialist -- not exactly a nobody.


1985 Roland Garros defeated Ivan Lendl 3-6 6-4 6-2 6-2
1988 Australian Open defeated Pat Cash 6-3 6-7 3-6 6-1 8-6
1988 Roland Garros defeated Henri Leconte 7-5 6-2 6-1 (who is he)


You're kidding, right? You've never heard of Henri Leconte, the Clown Prince of tennis? Incidentally, Wilander played some of the finest clay court tennis I've seen a man play in that 1988 French final. In the third set against Leconte, Wilander's first serve percentage was something like 99%.


out of the 7 slams he defeated good players in 5 of them.

He defeated good players in all of them. In the 1984 AO, he beat Edberg in the quarters and two-time champ, Johan Kriek, in the semis.

DunkMachine
May 21st, 2004, 09:25 AM
I do think that you really need to go back and read the quote again. I think you read it once and twisted it around in your head to say something else, or else you are misquoting in order to support your argument. To each his own, you decided to take what he said negatively. I decided to take it positively. Until he explains himself more fully or we get the ability to read his mind, no one is right or wrong on this issue, it's just a matter of how you look at it.
I really don't see how, his comment was quite simple.
"I don't like their tennis, I do like how they pick opponents apart physically and mentally".
I thought they were playing tennis. This game isn't full contact, trashtalk ain't allowed, so what the hell is he talking about. Unless the WS have psychic abilities I haven't heard about. None of what he has said is a compilement regarding their tennis nor does he in any way give the sisters any proper credit.

Which is fine btw but even in trying to give the WS due credit, he fails in doing so. Thus I find the latter part of his "compliment" replete with bull feces.

faste5683
May 21st, 2004, 10:42 AM
I really don't see how, his comment was quite simple.
"I don't like their tennis, I do like how they pick opponents apart physically and mentally".
I thought they were playing tennis. This game isn't full contact, trashtalk ain't allowed, so what the hell is he talking about. Unless the WS have psychic abilities I haven't heard about. None of what he has said is a compilement regarding their tennis nor does he in any way give the sisters any proper credit.

Which is fine btw but even in trying to give the WS due credit, he fails in doing so. Thus I find the latter part of his "compliment" replete with bull feces.

From what I can percieve from his comments, he thinks that the WilliamsX2's strokes are (aesthetically anyway) quite homely looking - yet powerful and effective. Perhaps it's like a comparision between Andre and Federer - both are great players, yet who would you rather watch style-wise?

:wavey:

faste5683
May 21st, 2004, 10:57 AM
Come on Knizzle ol' buddy - it's too early in the a.m. for you to be giving me a bad rep point! :haha: Besides, give it to Mats Wilander - he's the one who was quoted, not me! Like the other posters, I was merely trying to interpet his somewhat vague statements..

:kiss:

:wavey:

Knizzle
May 21st, 2004, 12:03 PM
Come on Knizzle ol' buddy - it's too early in the a.m. for you to be giving me a bad rep point! :haha: Besides, give it to Mats Wilander - he's the one who was quoted, not me! Like the other posters, I was merely trying to interpet his somewhat vague statements..

:kiss:

:wavey:
Mats Wilander didn't use the word "homely"

bandabou
May 21st, 2004, 12:06 PM
From what I can percieve from his comments, he thinks that the WilliamsX2's strokes are (aesthetically anyway) quite homely looking - yet powerful and effective. Perhaps it's like a comparision between Andre and Federer - both are great players, yet who would you rather watch style-wise?

:wavey:

aaah....somehow I doubt Mats would have said such comments about Andre.

faste5683
May 21st, 2004, 02:46 PM
Mats Wilander didn't use the word "homely"

Mats said he doesn't like to watch them play. What we are trying to figure out is why he doesn't like to watch them play. I ventured that he might find their particular style (stroke techniques) as "homely", say, compared to an Amelie, Lindsay, or Henin-Hardenne. That's all, my attempt to interpet Mat's quote. Yet, for venturing an opinion, I get a bad rep point...when there is no malice involved? That's lame, dude.

Then again, it's all good :kiss:


:wavey:

faste5683
May 21st, 2004, 02:47 PM
aaah....somehow I doubt Mats would have said such comments about Andre.

Why not?

:wavey:

bandabou
May 21st, 2004, 02:55 PM
Why not?

:wavey:


What do you mean with homely?! Donīt get it

faste5683
May 21st, 2004, 03:31 PM
What do you mean with homely?! Donīt get it

Are you forcing me to be less than diplomatic? ;)

How about: "Plain or unpretentious."

:wavey:

bandabou
May 21st, 2004, 03:37 PM
Are you forcing me to be less than diplomatic? ;)

How about: "Plain or unpretentious."

:wavey:
Speak out, man... youīre spinning it around, doesnīt help.

cheo23
May 21st, 2004, 05:05 PM
Ya Kimmie doesn't have a fightin Spirit..I mean did she have a fightin Spirit..when she lost to Justine in last Years Championship match or her supposed "fightin Spirit" durin her match against SErena at the Australian Open 2003 Semis. Also in last Year's U.S. Open Championship Final against Justine 6-1 in the 2nd SET...he should have said more nicer comments Regardin Serena at how she won her 1st Tournament back after 8 Long ASS Months away from Tennis..Get it Together Mats Wilander!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bandabou
May 21st, 2004, 05:16 PM
Ya Kimmie doesn't have a fightin Spirit..I mean did she have a fightin Spirit..when she lost to Justine in last Years Championship match or her supposed "fightin Spirit" durin her match against SErena at the Australian Open 2003 Semis. Also in last Year's U.S. Open Championship Final against Justine 6-1 in the 2nd SET...he should have said more nicer comments Regardin Serena at how she won her 1st Tournament back after 8 Long ASS Months away from Tennis..Get it Together Mats Wilander!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said it...

Geri
May 21st, 2004, 05:28 PM
Why are some people so annoyed with what he is saying? When you break it down it is not anything controversial.

The Williams sisters I don't enjoy watching play tennis

Well it's hardly a crime. He does not enjoy watching them play. I am sure a lot of people don't. A lot of people seem to think Mats is disrespecting Venus and Serena by saying this. He just doesn't like watching them. How dare he?!! He obviously knows nothing! :rolleyes:

I enjoy watching them pick an opponent apart physically and mentally. Everybody thinks that they are physically stronger than everybody, and yes they are, but it's mentally where they dominate."

Pretty complimentary considering he doesn't enjoy watching them play.

bandabou
May 21st, 2004, 05:36 PM
Why are some people so annoyed with what he is saying? When you break it down it is not anything controversial.



Well it's hardly a crime. He does not enjoy watching them play. I am sure a lot of people don't. A lot of people seem to think Mats is disrespecting Venus and Serena by saying this. He just doesn't like watching them. How dare he?!! He obviously knows nothing! :rolleyes:



Pretty complimentary considering he doesn't enjoy watching them play.

thatīs the thing...donīt enjoy watchin them, enjoys watching them mentally?! whatīs that supposed?