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DA FOREHAND
May 15th, 2004, 01:58 PM
"Everybody still thinks I'm No 1. Anywhere I go they say, 'Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?' and I say, 'Yes I am!' If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So I just say, 'It's me! It's me!' Why not?" -Serena Williams :tape:

skanky~skanketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:00 PM
like she said. regular public.

Bezz
May 15th, 2004, 02:02 PM
The regular American public, so educated. ;) - but i guess yu wud think she is considering she wins alot :cool:

grmbl
May 15th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Rena!! :lol:

alextreiber04
May 15th, 2004, 02:04 PM
Well it's actually kind of true. At my school some kid saw me looking at Venus Williams and Serena Williams photos on the WTA Tour site and the kid asked me if they were the Williams sisters. I said yes. And he said which one is the one that won 22 grand slam things. I said that was Steffi Graf. A lot of people are mis led, only people who watch tennis will know what is really going on.

And I had when people post these stupid quotes because we don't know what the context of the question is.

Jackson.
May 15th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Serena :eek: :tape:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:09 PM
I kinda have that too....almost forget that Serena is just no.6 or no.7...

justine&coria
May 15th, 2004, 02:13 PM
It's partially true : every one who doesn't know tennis (and there are many) will say that the Williams are still the first and the second.
But, those who just look at some sports information know that they're not anymore.

Infiniti2001
May 15th, 2004, 02:15 PM
Can't fault anyone but the WTA for this :tape:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:15 PM
Now itīs the Belgian-era....

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 02:16 PM
Aslong as i know who the worldnumber one is,I truly don't care what other people say.. :angel:

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 02:19 PM
Most of the public here probably think Serena and Venus are still 1 and 2 as well! I guess its easy to think that because they still win a lot of tournaments and havent really had a lot of losses, and you would think they were ranked one and two if you didnt know about the injuries.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:25 PM
Most of the public here probably think Serena and Venus are still 1 and 2 as well! I guess its easy to think that because they still win a lot of tournaments and havent really had a lot of losses, and you would think they were ranked one and two if you didnt know about the injuries.


Thatīs the thing....only because of the injuries they have dropped so low. Because who has beaten them to the top?! No one!

esquímaux
May 15th, 2004, 02:25 PM
I have no quarrel with what Serena said, but why hasn't Henin-Hardenne been more marketable? After all, that is what educates the "regular public," no?

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 02:26 PM
I have news for you, the average person still thinks Mary Pierce is
in the top 16 too! It's no surprise, the non-tennis person only
ever watches WIMBLEDON.

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 02:27 PM
The regular American public, so educated. ;) - but i guess yu wud think she is considering she wins alot :cool:
She never said "American" Bezz, she said ANYWHERE she goes.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:28 PM
I have no quarrel with what Serena said, but why hasn't Henin-Hardenne been more marketable? After all, that is what educates the "regular public," no?

She just isnīt...

jlamire
May 15th, 2004, 02:31 PM
She just isnīt...
...American?

Lady
May 15th, 2004, 02:32 PM
Well, everyone here still thinks that Martina Hingis is #1.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 02:33 PM
She just isnīt...
She just doesn't want to...Have you seen J's new pics on her site for a contactshooting?She doesn't look to shabby believe me..But she just isn't in that type of stuff:wearing make-up all the time,wearing desinger clothes,doing hear a zillion times a week,...
She isn't down with all that shit.She's a professional tenisplayer (plays tennis,a loving wife (spends time with her man) and just a simple girl who just wants to live a normal life besides the tennis.She doesn't want to be in every commercial,she doesn't want to become an actress,nor a model,she doesn't to get a boob-job done,...Justine isn't that type of girl.

TonyP
May 15th, 2004, 02:34 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 02:36 PM
Well, everyone here still thinks that Martina Hingis is #1.
Believe my I got friends in my class who don't know where J and Kim are standing in ranking,what the Williamssisters have done (besides that they're sisters,black and play tennis),who never have heard about 17 of the 20 toplayers and who still think Sabine is playing tennis :o

victory1
May 15th, 2004, 02:39 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.
What the heck you're talking about, she did not lose the #1 ranking because of acting she lost it because of injury. when she left for her OPERATION SHE WAS #1!:rolleyes:

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 02:40 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.
If she want to say such comments,who's gonna stop her? :shrug:
It's her choice...That's why I like Justine and not Serena.Justine likes to makes comments like:I'm standin on top of the rankings so I'm number one (logical isn't it?),but I don't she'll ever make a comment like this.
Even when Justine was number two in world behind Kim and the journalists were saying to her that she belongs up there,she'd always say that Kim's the world number one and she's the second and aslong it doesn't change on paper i'll always be that way.

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Here's another fact...

The average American doesn't own a PASSPORT.

The average American can only speak 1 language, English.

Eurotennisfan
May 15th, 2004, 02:42 PM
"Everybody still thinks I'm No 1. Anywhere I go they say, 'Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?' and I say, 'Yes I am!' If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So I just say, 'It's me! It's me!' Why not?"

firstly I doubt that "everybody" she meets thinks so, maybe those druggies at D list parties do, but I doubt it's everyone. What a fabrication from Serena though. It would not take that long for her to say: I was injured another great player had much better results as a result :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 02:42 PM
She just doesn't want to...Have you seen J's new pics on her site for a contactshooting?She doesn't look to shabby believe me..But she just isn't in that type of stuff:wearing make-up all the time,wearing desinger clothes,doing hear a zillion times a week,...
She isn't down with all that shit.She's a professional tenisplayer (plays tennis,a loving wife (spends time with her man) and just a simple girl who just wants to live a normal life besides the tennis.She doesn't want to be in every commercial,she doesn't want to become an actress,nor a model,she doesn't to get a boob-job done,...Justine isn't that type of girl.
If she just doesn't then no one should complain that her matches are not being shown or that no one knows she is the world #1 cause they don't seem to really care enough to do something about it. The WTA still gives the impression that Serena is #1 in the world without saying it. They are milking it for all it's worth. I guess they suspect she'll be back there soon.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:43 PM
Here's another fact...

The average American doesn't own a PASSPORT.

The average American can only speak 1 language, English.
Wow, that's great because here the biggest fact of them all

The average american doesn't have to....:rolleyes:

For the record I've been out of the country 3 times and I don't own a passport. :rolleyes:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM
She just doesn't want to...Have you seen J's new pics on her site for a contactshooting?She doesn't look to shabby believe me..But she just isn't in that type of stuff:wearing make-up all the time,wearing desinger clothes,doing hear a zillion times a week,...
She isn't down with all that shit.She's a professional tenisplayer (plays tennis,a loving wife (spends time with her man) and just a simple girl who just wants to live a normal life besides the tennis.She doesn't want to be in every commercial,she doesn't want to become an actress,nor a model,she doesn't to get a boob-job done,...Justine isn't that type of girl.

And thatīs a good thing...to each their own. Donīt get the boob-job thing though.

RedFilaJ-Cap#1
May 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM
Eww she should not do that!!! Even if they don't know she should not take the credit for being number one because she is not!!!

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM
If she want to say such comments,who's gonna stop her? :shrug:
It's her choice...That's why I like Justine and not Serena.Justine likes to makes comments like:I'm standin on top of the rankings so I'm number one (logical isn't it?),but I don't she'll ever make a comment like this.
Even when Justine was number two in world behind Kim and the journalists were saying to her that she belongs up there,she'd always say that Kim's the world number one and she's the second and aslong it doesn't change on paper i'll always be that way.
She also likes to deceive people, but I guess you turned a deaf ear and a blind eye to that huh?? :yeah:

Infiniti2001
May 15th, 2004, 02:45 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.

*uck off !!! This is Serena's experience, why the hell should she apologise to anyone???I know it 's killing you, but how many times must you mention that the tour made Serena rich and famous?? So what? She is not the first, nor will she be the last. Get over yourself already-- I loathe people who think they have moral answers for everyone :fiery:

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Travel is great- it will open your mind. Try it Rocketta; I know you
want to see different things. Even if it's to re-confirm what you suspect,
it's always better to get outside of your comfort zone.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:46 PM
Eww she should not do that!!! Even if they don't know she should not take the credit for being number one because she is not!!!
You're right she should stop and correct every fan that makes the assumption that she's #1....I mean that couldn't take too long could it explaining she's not number one and who is to someone who has never heard of Justine. :unsure:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
If she want to say such comments,who's gonna stop her? :shrug:
It's her choice...That's why I like Justine and not Serena.Justine likes to makes comments like:I'm standin on top of the rankings so I'm number one (logical isn't it?),but I don't she'll ever make a comment like this.
Even when Justine was number two in world behind Kim and the journalists were saying to her that she belongs up there,she'd always say that Kim's the world number one and she's the second and aslong it doesn't change on paper i'll always be that way.

Nice, nice and all.....but then again Serena doesnīt rise her hand and then denies she did it, she doesnīt have a coach who says that her opponent deserved the booing and every bad treatment, doesnīt say her opponents donīt like to play her and fear her, etc...no one is perfect.

I donīt think Serena said the statement in a bad spirit, but maybe she should have left it at that..

hotandspicey
May 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements. Not a very nice statement about the average American. :(

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Travel is great- it will open your mind. Try it Rocketta; I know you
want to see different things. Even if it's to re-confirm what you suspect,
it's always better to get outside of your comfort zone.
I guess you missed the part of the sentence that said, "I've been out of the country 3 times"????

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 02:48 PM
I think she was joking when saying this comment. It's hard to detect
a wink of an eye, a tonuge in cheek etc...in newspapers. I don't think
it's a big deal; because the average American still thinks Andre is number
1 and never even heard of Gustavo Kuerten either. If they do know about
Guga, they think he's in the top 10, along with Mary Pierce, hey aren't
they the current FRENCH OPEN title holders? :lol:

Ballbuster
May 15th, 2004, 02:52 PM
Awwwl That was so cute by Serena.

Hell, why give the competition props. Its not like the World knows who they are. She is pretty much right. They are obscure people in the Scheme of things.

Serena is becoming larger than tennis. Those other gals are not.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 02:52 PM
She also likes to deceive people, but I guess you turned a deaf ear and a blind eye to that huh?? :yeah:
Yeah,I'm mean I'm so decieved... :rolleyes:
She' deceived you? I'm reall sorry for that..Did Serena deceive you too when she called Loit a fucking bitch for making a nice point?No???I'm sorry for that too...

Infiniti2001
May 15th, 2004, 02:53 PM
I donīt think Serena said the statement in a bad spirit, but maybe she should have left it at that..

Why should she?? It's her bloody experience for crying out loud :rolleyes: When others say what's in their hearts, they get a friggin tap on the back-- and a select are cut to shreds :fiery: Some people tonyptry to twist and manipulate facts to desperately and pathetically attempt to make a point. The point they are really trying to make is that they don't like a certain player the Williames because they doesn't live up to their high and mighty standards :tape:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:54 PM
does anyone think the average Belgian is going to think Justin or Kim is not at the top of the rankings after they slip down, whether that's soon or years away? People who don't follow a sport only know the last thing they remember. Someone being #1 is what you would remember so naturally you will assume things are the same if you haven't been following.

Oh nevermind, it's an American thing...Only American's would do that...etc., etc. Blah Blah blah. :(

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Yeah,I'm mean I'm so decieved... :rolleyes:
She' deceived you? I'm reall sorry for that..Did Serena deceive you too when she called Loit a fucking bitch for making a nice point?No???I'm sorry for that too...
No deception in saying "fucking bitch", that's keeping it real.

Ballbuster
May 15th, 2004, 02:55 PM
She just doesn't want to...Have you seen J's new pics on her site for a contactshooting?She doesn't look to shabby believe me..But she just isn't in that type of stuff:wearing make-up all the time,wearing desinger clothes,doing hear a zillion times a week,...
She isn't down with all that shit.She's a professional tenisplayer (plays tennis,a loving wife (spends time with her man) and just a simple girl who just wants to live a normal life besides the tennis.She doesn't want to be in every commercial,she doesn't want to become an actress,nor a model,she doesn't to get a boob-job done,...Justine isn't that type of girl.


This sounds like somebody with something to hide. Its no secret that Justine is bearded. Besides, what's she doing with a teenagers virus'

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Why did this thread need to be about Justine or Americans for that matter? :scratch:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 02:57 PM
No deception in saying "fucking bitch", that's keeping it real.


:lol: :rolls: me thinks so too! Just tell them the way you feel about them! :lol:

BK4ever
May 15th, 2004, 03:00 PM
I knew the hates would come in here and find something to bitch about :rolleyes:

Go get a fucking life...I'm so sick of people bitching and moaning about Princess Rena :D

Why dont you spend the time cheering for your faves :confused:

Popularity of any sport all depends on the personalities of players...you guys ought to be glad that Serena and her beautiful personality and fun self is keeping the WTA afloat...

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Why did this thread need to be about Justine or Americans for that matter? :scratch:
Cause Americans are the uneducated, classless, scum of the earth. Didn't you know?? Did the memo not reach you?? The average American doesn't even have a passport. That's SOOOO lame. :lol: :lol: :lol:

TonyP
May 15th, 2004, 03:01 PM
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?

I suggest to you that the media would destroy any other player who made such a statement, calling them disrespectful and arrogant. It is not Serena's responsibility to correct the fans, but it is her responsibility to tell the truth. What kind of role model does this make Serena? This is very, very inappropriate behavior.

Its adds to her reputation as the most irresponsible number one in history, a woman who has pulled out of more tournaments with flimsy excuses than any other player. The woman who did not show up for the number ones ceremony,even though she had been in the building earlier in the day.

Serena simply does not wear a crown well.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 03:01 PM
:lol: :rolls: me thinks so too! Just tell them the way you feel about them! :lol:
Isn't their a lack of etiquette in saying fucking bitch to your opponent :p
Normally she would've applauded her opponent and giving a sign towards her that she made e very nice effort.
Look I'm just teasing you but,you can't hate just on one...

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Oh come on, its no excuse to bash Serena, shes just stating facts :rolleyes:
Its obviously true that people think that, shes not in any way saying she should be number one, just saying people think so!

Eurotennisfan
May 15th, 2004, 03:03 PM
I think she was joking when saying this comment. It's hard to detect
a wink of an eye, a tonuge in cheek etc...in newspapers. I don't think
it's a big deal; because the average American still thinks Andre is number
1 and never even heard of Gustavo Kuerten either. If they do know about
Guga, they think he's in the top 10, along with Mary Pierce, hey aren't
they the current FRENCH OPEN title holders? :lol:

Even if they were the current French Open title holders it would not matter, because only the US open matter :tape: :lol: .

Slumpsova
May 15th, 2004, 03:05 PM
"Everybody still thinks I'm No 1. Anywhere I go they say, 'Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?' and I say, 'Yes I am!' If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So I just say, 'It's me! It's me!' Why not?" -Serena Williams :tape:
it's true that Serena is the most famous player in WTA right now but...:tape:

next time i'm gonna say i'm No 1 'coz in my regular public nobody cares about tennis. if i try to explain who is No 1, they would get lost too:p .

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 03:05 PM
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?


Please state where Serena ever claimed to be #1? :rolleyes:

BK4ever
May 15th, 2004, 03:05 PM
Memo to all Juju fans: Get out! this is a thread about Princess Rena :haha:

P.S. Please dont speak of etiquette, until your fave learns some :rolleyes:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Cause Americans are the uneducated, classless, scum of the earth. Didn't you know?? Did the memo not reach you?? The average American doesn't even have a passport. That's SOOOO lame. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh yeah that Memo! :p

I put that in file 13...;)

Infiniti2001
May 15th, 2004, 03:06 PM
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?

I suggest to you that the media would destroy any other player who made such a statement, calling them disrespectful and arrogant. It is not Serena's responsibility to correct the fans, but it is her responsibility to tell the truth. What kind of role model does this make Serena? This is very, very inappropriate behavior.

Its adds to her reputation as the most irresponsible number one in history, a woman who has pulled out of more tournaments with flimsy excuses than any other player. The woman who did not show up for the number ones ceremony,even though she had been in the building earlier in the day.

Serena simply does not wear a crown well.


you never miss an opportunity to tear the williames apart mr educated... :rolleyes: so GET over yourself :fiery:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Please state where Serena ever claimed to be #1? :rolleyes:
the voices told him ...:secret:

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Memo to all Juju fans: Get out! this is a thread about Princess Rena :haha:

P.S. Please dont speak of etiquette, until your fave learns some :rolleyes:
Look you dissed our girl for not having ettiquette,but it seems that your girl doesn't have to much of it either...Just stating the obvious here...

And isn't it nice when there's a thread about your fave and suddenly all these intruders come in who defintly don't like your fav and starting talking about their fave :p ?
Welcome to our world buddy...

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 03:07 PM
you never miss an opportunity to tear the williames apart mr educated... :rolleyes: so GET over yourself :fiery:
do you actually read his posts? :o

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 03:08 PM
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?

I suggest to you that the media would destroy any other player who made such a statement, calling them disrespectful and arrogant. It is not Serena's responsibility to correct the fans, but it is her responsibility to tell the truth. What kind of role model does this make Serena? This is very, very inappropriate behavior.

Its adds to her reputation as the most irresponsible number one in history, a woman who has pulled out of more tournaments with flimsy excuses than any other player. The woman who did not show up for the number ones ceremony,even though she had been in the building earlier in the day.

Serena simply does not wear a crown well.
Oh, please. You can revisit some of you precious Martina Hingis' quotes if you want to hear some arrogance. She is simply saying that people assume she is #1 and she can't explain to them who is, so she just doesn't.

BTW Tony P. FUCK YOU!! You are extremely angry at the sisters for some reason. So you come to this board to tear them down anyway you can so they can be down to the level of your beloved Hingis. Well until the sisters decide to dominate the sport of competitive horse jumping(they could if they put their minds to it) don't worry about what the sisters are doing in tennis, because Hingis is a fucking quitter. Hear that?? A FUCKING QUITTER at age 22.

Infiniti2001
May 15th, 2004, 03:10 PM
do you actually read his posts? :o

How can I miss them when he always conveniently show up onlyto knock the Wiiliames ?? He's done it from the old board, and I will never let him get away with it :fiery: :tape:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 03:12 PM
Look you dissed our girl for not having ettiquette,but it seems that your girl doesn't have to much of it either...Just stating the obvious here...

And isn't it nice when there's a thread about your fave and suddenly all these intruders come in who defintly don't like your fav and starting talking about their fave :p ?
Welcome to our world buddy...

Hey,hey...this is minor compared to you know what Justine did...and if you read the full inteview, then there is nothing unethitical..

Pureracket
May 15th, 2004, 03:12 PM
Well, how would it be if the Williams fans agrees with the vultures when they say that Serena is arrogant and disrespectful? LOL!!!!!

TonyP is sitting back holding court as if he is the grand judge of the world. Serena nor her fans owe you nothing.

Your posts have crossed the line from disagreeable to bitter. I mostly laugh @ your posts regarding the Wiliams Sisters, but in the grand scheme of things, it's kind of sad.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Hey,hey...this is minor compared to you know what Justine did...and if you read the full inteview, then there is nothing unethitical..
Oh c'mon I'm not just talking about this:thinking about the Loit-incident,think about the did she really (on the day of the FO-semi about J) beat me?I don't remember that match.I just beat myself that day,the 'I was 9000 notches bellow my level','i felt like a 82-year-old women trapped in young girls body',the French imatation,.....
I'm just saying your fave isn't a saint either...

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Oh c'mon I'm not just talking about this:thinking about the Loit-incident,think about the did she really (on the day of the FO-semi about J) beat me?I don't remember that match.I just beat myself that day,the 'I was 9000 notches bellow my level','i felt like a 82-year-old women trapped in young girls body',the French imatation,.....
I'm just saying your fave isn't a saint either...

yeah, sheīs a bad loser. Everybody agrees on that part. But I donīt think her actions have any outcome on the result...in the end she still lost. But Jujuīs actions are at least bad sportsmanship, if not just plain cheating,.... and DO bare influence on the outcome of the match. Which is worse?!

rjd1111
May 15th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Now itīs the Belgian-era....


Where are they?

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 03:36 PM
yeah, sheīs a bad loser. Everybody agrees on that part. But I donīt think her actions have any outcome on the result...in the end she still lost. But Jujuīs actions are at least bad sportsmanship, if not just plain cheating,.... and DO bare influence on the outcome of the match. Which is worse?!
Still think that one point changed the match?????Wel,good for you than...
But thing was Justine was quite fed up with all the excuses Serena was making,if you saw her French interview after her quarterfinal victory you'll know she said something like:"I know Serena is going to tell you that she played soooooo bad that day and at the end of the day it was all because she sucked that day and that I played great,and that's the only way i'm can beat her:She's gotta have a total offday and I gotta have a superday..Well,guess what?I didn't play my best tennis either."
You could obviously see she was tired of hearing all those excuses and she was right,the next day Serena made does excuses again.I'm not saying what Justine did was right,but by Lord I'm sure those comments just went up to her head that day.

WorldWar24
May 15th, 2004, 03:43 PM
I guess you missed the part of the sentence that said, "I've been out of the country 3 times"????

wow :unsure:

rjd1111
May 15th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Despite a flawed Ranking System Serena is in reality the best player. Why is she the Top seed in italy over MoMo who's ranked higher. Its Because she was the No1 player when she went out with an injury. And she never lost that on a Tennis Court. When Justine can get on a tennis court and consistantly beat Serena then she can claim the true No1. Until then its only ink on a piece of paper. And worth about as much.

rjd1111
May 15th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Still think that one point changed the match?????Wel,good for you than...
But thing was Justine was quite fed up with all the excuses Serena was making,if you saw her French interview after her quarterfinal victory you'll know she said something like:"I know Serena is going to tell you that she played soooooo bad that day and at the end of the day it was all because she sucked that day and that I played great,and that's the only way i'm can beat her:She's gotta have a total offday and I gotta have a superday..Well,guess what?I didn't play my best tennis either."
You could obviously see she was tired of hearing all those excuses and she was right,the next day Serena made does excuses again.I'm not saying what Justine did was right,but by Lord I'm sure those comments just went up to her head that day.


I think Serena answered her a very few weeks later at Wimby

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Still think that one point changed the match?????Wel,good for you than...
But thing was Justine was quite fed up with all the excuses Serena was making,if you saw her French interview after her quarterfinal victory you'll know she said something like:"I know Serena is going to tell you that she played soooooo bad that day and at the end of the day it was all because she sucked that day and that I played great,and that's the only way i'm can beat her:She's gotta have a total offday and I gotta have a superday..Well,guess what?I didn't play my best tennis either."
You could obviously see she was tired of hearing all those excuses and she was right,the next day Serena made does excuses again.I'm not saying what Justine did was right,but by Lord I'm sure those comments just went up to her head that day.

Just that one point, huh?! And then the comments afterwards, those were nothing either,huh?! O.k....look whoīs all (rightly)upset about Fillip deWulf translating her authobiography...why so upset?! Those were just comments too....

Thatīs the thing...you do stuff and then talk trash afterwards too?! Itīs aight...no problemo. The dayīll come for her too...

LindsayRocks89
May 15th, 2004, 03:53 PM
i never really thought Serena or Venus were that low in the rankings

Martian Willow
May 15th, 2004, 03:56 PM
She never said "American" Bezz, she said ANYWHERE she goes.

...final proof...Knizzle can't read..."If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her"... :)

:wavey:

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 03:59 PM
Just that one point, huh?! And then the comments afterwards, those were nothing either,huh?! O.k....look whoīs all (rightly)upset about Fillip deWulf translating her authobiography...why so upset?! Those were just comments too....

Thatīs the thing...you do stuff and then talk trash afterwards too?! Itīs aight...no problemo. The dayīll come for her too...
Actually,Filip made those comments and Justine reacted very cool and mature on them.But translating a Bio of her is just plain wrong...Did Justine translate Serenas Bio?or did she did anything like that?I'm sorry but your comparision doesn't really fit..

TonyP
May 15th, 2004, 04:02 PM
All the shifting of emphasis to the posters here...all of the gutter language...doesn't take away what Serena said. She is not ranked number one, she did not win three out of the last four grand slams, Justine did. Justine deserves her ranking.

Some of the same people here would be furious at the kind of jingoistic behavior that Serena has shown, if it came from someone else. Its as if nothing matters except America and what Americans think. So, even if what Americans think is wrong, we should just let them go on thinking it?

Many of the people here would crucify any other player who claimed to be the number one player when they were not. They know they would.

This not about Martina or Jennifer or Kim. I can't remember any of them claiming to be number one when they were not. This is about Serena saying she is number one when Justine is number one. Again, what kind of a role model does this make Serena for kids? Are you telling kids, the truth does not matter, only your own ego matters?

This is just one interview and I am even willing to accept the idea that she was misquoted in some way or even just didn't stop to think out what she was saying.

But I think any fair minded person would say this was very disrespectful behavior by Serena and it is bound to increase disrespect for the WTA itself. People are going to start laughing at the tour. Its is also the kind of American arrogance we see right now in Iraq and other parts of the world. Its one reason we are no longer loved many places around the globe. Its one reason for the prisoner abuse in Iraq. After all, those people aren't Americans.

No one is important except Americans.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:03 PM
Actually,Filip made those comments and Justine reacted very cool and mature on them.But translating a Bio of her is just plain wrong...Did Justine translate Serenas Bio?or did she did anything like that?I'm sorry but your comparision doesn't really fit..

No...but you want for Serena to hail and praise Justine like nothing happened. Read the interview...nothing desrespectful stated but youīre asking waayy too much of Serena. Remember: Forgiven not forgotten!

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:06 PM
All the shifting of emphasis to the posters here...all of the gutter language...doesn't take away what Serena said. She is not ranked number one, she did not win three out of the last four grand slams, Justine did. Justine deserves her ranking.

Some of the same people here would be furious at the kind of jingoistic behavior that Serena has shown, if it came from someone else. Its as if nothing matters except America and what Americans think. So, even if what Americans think is wrong, we should just let them go on thinking it?

Many of the people here would crucify any other player who claimed to be the number one player when they were not. They know they would.

This not about Martina or Jennifer or Kim. I can't remember any of them claiming to be number one when they were not. This is about Serena saying she is number one when Justine is number one. Again, what kind of a role model does this make Serena for kids? Are you telling kids, the truth does not matter, only your own ego matters?

This is just one interview and I am even willing to accept the idea that she was misquoted in some way or even just didn't stop to think out what she was saying.

But I think any fair minded person would say this was very disrespectful behavior by Serena and it is bound to increase disrespect for the WTA itself. People are going to start laughing at the tour. Its is also the kind of American arrogance we see right now in Iraq and other parts of the world. Its one reason we are no longer loved many places around the globe. Its one reason for the prisoner abuse in Iraq. After all, those people aren't Americans.

No one is important except Americans.

Nice,nice...and from which country do you come?! Iīm sure that your own country has some soldiers posted in Iraq too....what about that?! Right is right, wrong is wrong, right?! Hating on your politicians too?!

Pureracket
May 15th, 2004, 04:09 PM
All the shifting of emphasis to the posters here...all of the gutter language...doesn't take away what Serena said. She is not ranked number one, she did not win three out of the last four grand slams, Justine did. Justine deserves her ranking.

Some of the same people here would be furious at the kind of jingoistic behavior that Serena has shown, if it came from someone else. Its as if nothing matters except America and what Americans think. So, even if what Americans think is wrong, we should just let them go on thinking it?

Many of the people here would crucify any other player who claimed to be the number one player when they were not. They know they would.

This not about Martina or Jennifer or Kim. I can't remember any of them claiming to be number one when they were not. This is about Serena saying she is number one when Justine is number one. Again, what kind of a role model does this make Serena for kids? Are you telling kids, the truth does not matter, only your own ego matters?

This is just one interview and I am even willing to accept the idea that she was misquoted in some way or even just didn't stop to think out what she was saying.

But I think any fair minded person would say this was very disrespectful behavior by Serena and it is bound to increase disrespect for the WTA itself. People are going to start laughing at the tour. Its is also the kind of American arrogance we see right now in Iraq and other parts of the world. Its one reason we are no longer loved many places around the globe. Its one reason for the prisoner abuse in Iraq. After all, those people aren't Americans.

No one is important except Americans.:lol: Instead of going to the farm and actually getting it from my grandpa's bull, I'll just use this post to help fertilize my garden this fall.:lol:

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 04:13 PM
No...but you want for Serena to hail and praise Justine like nothing happened. Read the interview...nothing desrespectful stated but youīre asking waayy too much of Serena. Remember: Forgiven not forgotten!
Never said that she should forgive Justine... :shrug:
Never said that Justine was right and Serena was wrong,I just stated facts...
What goes between Justine and Serena is between them.If they hate eachothers guts,that's their bussines :shrug:I just care about Justine,I don't like the comment Serena just made but hey so what...That's my opinion,I'm not gonna scream all over the place tonight that I hate her and all.I've heard worse things.I'm just worrying about Justine playing the French or not at the moment so...

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:18 PM
Never said that she should forgive Justine... :shrug:
Never said that Justine was right and Serena was wrong,I just stated facts...
What goes between Justine and Serena is between them.If they hate eachothers guts,that's their bussines :shrug:I just care about Justine,I don't like the comment Serena just made but hey so what...That's my opinion,I'm not gonna scream all over the place tonight that I hate her and all.I've heard worse things.I'm just worrying about Justine playing the French or not at the moment so...


O.k....so let me get it straigth:you hated the comment that Serena made( not in an actual match) but didnīt mind Justineīs actions during the actual match?! O.k...got it. I hope that she can play RG too. Nothingīs sweater than revenge they say,no?!

Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 04:22 PM
...final proof...Knizzle can't read..."If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her"... :)

:wavey:
Final proof Willow should mind her business: I wasn't talking about that part of the quote. Read it again.

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 04:22 PM
uhuh! This quote is looking really silly now. She got her butt kicked
by the Capster, who in reality is a higher ranked player! Number 1
player, yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! :haha:

atina
May 15th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Now an American beat Serena, maybe a couple of Americans will notice? This other one is known by a few people too, isn't she?

Pureracket
May 15th, 2004, 04:23 PM
uhuh! This quote is looking really silly now. She got her butt kicked
by the Capster, who in reality is a higher ranked player! Number 1
player, yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! :haha:Vultures are coming! The vultures are coming!

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:24 PM
uhuh! This quote is looking really silly now. She got her butt kicked
by the Capster, who in reality is a higher ranked player! Number 1
player, yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! :haha:


True too the script....the higher ranked player won. No big deal then, no?!

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 04:25 PM
uhuh! This quote is looking really silly now. She got her butt kicked
by the Capster, who in reality is a higher ranked player! Number 1
player, yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! :haha:So then what did that make Justine when she lost to Sveta? :scratch:

Now the standard is that a #1 can't lose, huh? Or is this just another Williams double standard?

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 04:25 PM
No, according to Serena's script she's the number 1. Don't weasel out and
back track now!!!!!!!!!!!!! :haha:

TonyP
May 15th, 2004, 04:25 PM
For the record, I am an American and I said from the start that the invasion of Iraq was both illegal and immoral, nor was it in any way necessary. I also personally believe there is no small amount of racism involved. Some of those "Arab guys" attacked on America on 9-11 and Americans wanted to pay somebody back and Iraq was handy at the time and they looked like Arabs, so lets go kick some of their butts. This was a good old fashioned southern lynching, but they lynched the wrong guy.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 04:27 PM
No, according to Serena's script she's the number 1. Don't weasel out and
back track now!!!!!!!!!!!!! :haha:Serena never said she was number one don't change the quote either....or act like you have reading comprehension problems because you know you don't. How does her losing to someone in Rome that's not televised on free television going to make a statement about the general public not true?

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:28 PM
No, according to Serena's script she's the number 1. Don't weasel out and
back track now!!!!!!!!!!!!! :haha:

UHmm....I forgot that the real no.1 is still unbeaten this year....oh no, wait...she isnīt!! WOw...interesting.

Greenout
May 15th, 2004, 04:28 PM
It's not that simple. We (America) did horrible things in Vietnam and
other wars too. There wasn't the structure of CNN and the Internet back
then. Loads of people were getting raped and murdered, abused. Nobody
really knew about it back then. This isn't anything new, it's the way
of WAR that goes back from the beginnings of mankind.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:29 PM
People THINK Iīm no.1...

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 04:35 PM
None of you guys have actually pointed out where Serena said she should actually be #1 yet. :lol:

I notice a lot of anti-Serena threads have been started by Venus fans lately :rolleyes:
They pretend to be Serena fans but they show their true colours soon enough.

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 04:37 PM
"and I say, 'Yes I am!'"

That part was clearly a joke. She never actually said to the press that she should be #1. In fact she made it clear that she wasnt #1 and didnt think she was.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 04:39 PM
"and I say, 'Yes I am!'"
oh please here you go, don't start taking shit out of context. she says yes she is cause she doesn't feel like explaining who is because they don't know Justine and she's giving a pat answer to a rhetorical question. :rolleyes: Not that she thinks she is. Once again you claim not to be negative but here you are playing revisionist history. Also, trying to play word games that won't work but keep trying.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:40 PM
That part was clearly a joke. She never actually said to the press that she should be #1. In fact she made it clear that she wasnt #1 and didnt think she was.

Man, youīre good!

starr
May 15th, 2004, 04:41 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.
The quote is in Sport Telegraph. It's in a long article from an interview done in Rome.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 04:43 PM
Ok so only Serena is allowed to make jokes apparently.
Who else was joking? :confused:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Who else was joking? :confused:


:lol: :rolls: :haha:

starr
May 15th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Isn't anyone going to post the entire article?

WorldWar24
May 15th, 2004, 04:47 PM
If Serena is the "real no1" and is given the #1 seed everytime, does that mean Jenny gets 100 points for beating the world no1???

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Isn't anyone going to post the entire article?
tbe, already posted it...

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=114726

starr
May 15th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Thanks. I just wondered why it was only this one item that was being talked about

Chance
May 15th, 2004, 04:53 PM
Eggy posted the article already...

TonyP- Serena's break was because of injury and the death of her sister! Not every player wants to rush back to the court after having major surgery....

ans
May 15th, 2004, 04:56 PM
Move on, people, Justine is the real number one and Serena simply isn't.

What's next?

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Thanks. I just wondered why it was only this one item that was being talked about

Its the only thing that can be construed as negative when taken out of context, of course the haters are gonna take it and run with it.

faboozadoo15
May 15th, 2004, 05:09 PM
:eek: wow, someone is in desperate need of the book of etiquette :tape: not saying who, but perhaps justine should anonymously airmail her one :tape:

Martian KC
May 15th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Rather sad.

starr
May 15th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Its the only thing that can be construed as negative when taken out of context, of course the haters are gonna take it and run with it.
Actually, there was a whole lot in the interview that made me :rolleyes:

It's pretty negative even in context.

And, I thought Da Forehand was a huge fan of the Williams sisters. He's the one who started the thread, isn't he?

Andy T
May 15th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Serena doesn't sound very intelligent: I mean, she is not #1, so anyone who "thinks" she is has obviously not followed tennis for the last 9 months or more. Instead of saying "no, I'm not right now" or "no, but I'm trying to get back there", she feeds their delusion.

Imagine, you don't follow a sport so closely and you meet one of its top players. They tell you they are number 1 and then you find out they're not. You're gonna think they're pretty stupid or pretty arrogant afterwards aren't you?

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 05:25 PM
Serena doesn't sound very intelligent: I mean, she is not #1, so anyone who "thinks" she is has obviously not followed tennis for the last 9 months or more. Instead of saying "no, I'm not right now" or "no, but I'm trying to get back there", she feeds their delusion.

Imagine, you don't follow a sport so closely and you meet one of its top players. They tell you they are number 1 and then you find out they're not. You're gonna think they're pretty stupid or pretty arrogant afterwards aren't you?


THAT I can give you....she should have just said the truth.

Allez-H
May 15th, 2004, 05:30 PM
O.k....so let me get it straigth:you hated the comment that Serena made( not in an actual match) but didnīt mind Justineīs actions during the actual match?! O.k...got it. I hope that she can play RG too. Nothingīs sweater than revenge they say,no?!
Where the hell do you get this stuff? :confused: Can you read in one my posts were I'm saying that I didn't mind Justines actions?
And I wasn't even talking about those comments,I was talking about the comment in the first post.
Get your facts straight will ya...
And if she gets her revenge great for her,that's tennis..You win some you lose some.And at this point,I'll be already happy if she played the French..All the other stuff are just extra.

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Where the hell do you get this stuff? :confused: Can you read in one my posts were I'm saying that I didn't mind Justines actions?
And I wasn't even talking about those comments,I was talking about the comment in the first post.
Get your facts straight will ya...
And if she gets her revenge great for her,that's tennis..You win some you lose some.And at this point,I'll be already happy if she played the French..All the other stuff are just extra.


O.k...I understand. Cool.

Martian Willow
May 15th, 2004, 05:45 PM
Final proof Willow should mind her business: I wasn't talking about that part of the quote. Read it again.

...I read it again...you were responding to Bezz, who used the phrase 'regular American public', clearly referring to the part of the quote where Serena says 'the regular public in America'...which was the part I quoted...I hope that clarifies things for you... :)

Experimentee
May 15th, 2004, 05:58 PM
How is it taken out of context :confused: If you're not number one, you don't say to people that you're number 1 :confused: How much time does it take to people to say "I'm not number 1, Henin-Hardenne from Belgium is, she won 3 of the last 4 Slams." That must really take, like, 4 seconds.

I said before that she was joking. The whole tone of the interview is lighthearted, it sounds like a flippant, throwaway comment. I doubt she actually said that to anyone! I dont think she even goes around meeting people who dont know anything about her career or arent tennis fans.

And anywhere who cares if she really did say it to some individual in the general public? If they were that stupid before then they wouldnt know/care if she told them the truth anyway. It only matters if she says it to the media, because thats how it'll get around. And you cannot say she is pretending to be #1 if she doesnt say it to the media.

"Topaz"
May 15th, 2004, 06:16 PM
!reposted!

There are several statements made at once in Serena's interview. So chill out, folks.

...
"I wanna get back to being No 1. I like being on top. It's something I like waking up to in the morning."

It must be an irritation that she is not. "I can't even tell you what I'm ranked. Let's just put it like that. If I'm not No 1, I don't know what I am. But, you know, it's funny. Everybody still thinks I'm No 1. Anywhere I go they say, 'Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?' and I say, 'Yes I am!' If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So I just say, 'It's me! It's me!' Why not?"

"Serena," said her mother, wandering up, "is a nut."
...
Lots of statements here. Actually, too many to be taken seriously. If anyone trips over any of them, it's that person's problem. Serena and her mother seemed they were having a ball. One thing pops out clearly here: Serena knows she's not #1.

:cool:

bandabou
May 15th, 2004, 06:37 PM
I said before that she was joking. The whole tone of the interview is lighthearted, it sounds like a flippant, throwaway comment. I doubt she actually said that to anyone! I dont think she even goes around meeting people who dont know anything about her career or arent tennis fans.

And anywhere who cares if she really did say it to some individual in the general public? If they were that stupid before then they wouldnt know/care if she told them the truth anyway. It only matters if she says it to the media, because thats how it'll get around. And you cannot say she is pretending to be #1 if she doesnt say it to the media.


People just donīt get it...sad.

SerialKiller#69
May 15th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Ugh. I couldn't be bothered to read all the posts to see if there's a full article quoting Serena saying that.

If it was true, I guess she was trying to sound funny. But anyone with enough tennis knowledge will look upon that quote with disapproval.

Kabezya
May 15th, 2004, 06:55 PM
Serena's still #1 in my book so I have no problem with the statement. She's still one of the best known female tennis players on the current circuit and it's clearly plausible that others think she's still #1. It's not her fault if that's the case. She cannot control what people think as even evidenced by this thread alone.

Midnite Surfer
May 15th, 2004, 07:09 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.
Apparently the average american wouldn't recognize a joke if it bit him in his average overweight american ass.

pigam
May 15th, 2004, 07:11 PM
I said before that she was joking. The whole tone of the interview is lighthearted, it sounds like a flippant, throwaway comment. I doubt she actually said that to anyone! I dont think she even goes around meeting people who dont know anything about her career or arent tennis fans.

And anywhere who cares if she really did say it to some individual in the general public? If they were that stupid before then they wouldnt know/care if she told them the truth anyway. It only matters if she says it to the media, because thats how it'll get around. And you cannot say she is pretending to be #1 if she doesnt say it to the media.
ok, fine.
Jelean Dokic was only joking when she said the Williams siters where 'over', yet A LOT of people called her a bitch etc, ... she made those comments 3 months ago, people are still going on about it.
I guess Jelena and Serena both arn't funny at all.
Leave the Funny interviews to Venus next time Serena. :)

hingis-seles
May 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Your posts have crossed the line from disagreeable to bitter. I mostly laugh @ your posts regarding the Wiliams Sisters, but in the grand scheme of things, it's kind of sad.
As opposed to this post which isn't disagreeable or bitter?! I mean, what's the obsession with dragging Martina Hingis into everything. Sheesh, let it go already.:rolleyes:

Oh, please. You can revisit some of you precious Martina Hingis' quotes if you want to hear some arrogance. She is simply saying that people assume she is #1 and she can't explain to them who is, so she just doesn't.

BTW Tony P. FUCK YOU!! You are extremely angry at the sisters for some reason. So you come to this board to tear them down anyway you can so they can be down to the level of your beloved Hingis. Well until the sisters decide to dominate the sport of competitive horse jumping(they could if they put their minds to it) don't worry about what the sisters are doing in tennis, because Hingis is a fucking quitter. Hear that?? A FUCKING QUITTER at age 22.

Midnite Surfer
May 15th, 2004, 07:16 PM
ok, fine.
Jelean Dokic was only joking when she said the Williams siters where 'over', yet A LOT of people called her a bitch etc, ... she made those comments 3 months ago, people are still going on about it.
I guess Jelena and Serena both arn't funny at all.
Leave the Funny interviews to Venus next time Serena. :)
When was it ever determined that Jelena was joking?:confused:

hingis-seles
May 15th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Despite a flawed Ranking System Serena is in reality the best player. Why is she the Top seed in italy over MoMo who's ranked higher. Its Because she was the No1 player when she went out with an injury. And she never lost that on a Tennis Court. When Justine can get on a tennis court and consistantly beat Serena then she can claim the true No1. Until then its only ink on a piece of paper. And worth about as much.
According to this logic Steffi Graf was not the true #1 player nor was she the best player from 1993-1995 because she never won it on the tennis court, but only because Monica got stabbed.

pigam
May 15th, 2004, 07:20 PM
When was it ever determined that Jelena was joking?:confused:
:confused:
I'm just saying that there were people who were furious at Jelena for making that comment BUT are defending Serena now, and saying that she was only joking. If you call that jokin by serena, well, I guess Jelean was only jokin too, then... :unsure:

Both arn't funny.
So: either they are lousy 'comedians'
or they both should have :tape:

Juju #1
May 15th, 2004, 07:22 PM
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Knizzle
May 15th, 2004, 07:27 PM
As opposed to this post which isn't disagreeable or bitter?! I mean, what's the obsession with dragging Martina Hingis into everything. Sheesh, let it go already.:rolleyes:
I was angry with Tony P. It's stupid of him to say Serena is arrogant with her comments, but fails to say the same thing about Martina. He tears the sisters down every time he gets the chance. I am nothing like TonyP. HE is the one who is bitter.

LiliaLee-Frazier
May 15th, 2004, 07:37 PM
Not after today. :lol:

- L i n a -
May 15th, 2004, 07:39 PM
And everybody still thinks that Anna is the only thing that matters about women's tennis...

This just in: People are idiots.

hingis-seles
May 15th, 2004, 07:41 PM
I was angry with Tony P. It's stupid of him to say Serena is arrogant with her comments, but fails to say the same thing about Martina. He tears the sisters down every time he gets the chance. I am nothing like TonyP. HE is the one who is bitter.
I understand that completely. However, directing the anger you felt, at Martina Hingis may have not been the best option. What did she have to do with this argument? Did she deserve to be called a "FUCKING QUITTER"? A certain Venus Williams fan, who I would rather not name, has said a lot of stuff about Martina that makes me angry too, but I do not go around calling Venus names, insulting her or making fun of her injuries because I know he has nothing to do with Venus, nor does he represent her in anyway.

AjdeNate!
May 15th, 2004, 10:02 PM
I like her logic, let me try it:

If I try to explain to the regular public in Croatia who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So let's just say it's Karolina Sprem.

:lol:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 10:08 PM
I understand that some of you don't have a clue as to what a rhetorical question is but when fans run up to you in big numbers as they do Serena and ask a question they are sure of the answer, "You're #1"...Serena didn't feel the need to have to go into long explanations...and yes Cool Canuck 4 secs time thousands over a year is a lot especially when your trying to also sign as many autographs for the people as you can.

Her mother knows she was taking the easy way out by just saying yes which is why she called Serena a nut.

I'm sorry Serena didn't say she didn't stop and explain that Justine is #1 and pull out a picture so that the people could actually recognize Justine but maybe if Justine cared for anyone to know besides Belgian's that she's #1 she would promote herself more. That's not Serena's job.

faboozadoo15
May 15th, 2004, 10:15 PM
hmmm funny, when a girl yelled at roger federer when he was signing :you're number one!!!"
he smiled, laughed, and replied, "nope, just two"
how laborious :eek:

starr
May 15th, 2004, 10:17 PM
She could just say, "Not right now," when someone asks her as she claims, "Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?" That would take the same amount of syllables as "Yes, I am," which is what she claims she responds.

WorldWar24
May 15th, 2004, 10:18 PM
ok, fine.
Jelean Dokic was only joking when she said the Williams siters where 'over', yet A LOT of people called her a bitch etc, ... she made those comments 3 months ago, people are still going on about it

Jelena Dokic didn't say they were over, if I remember correctly :confused: She said they were winning everything before their injuries and that that story was over - complete domination, that is! Coz at the time of the interview you had the belgians winning a lot :angel:

When Venus lost to Meghann at Miami 03, Jelena was asked if the tour had caught up with Venus or if she had gone down: Jelena said Venus obviously had gone down, otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance :angel:

Jelena also said in 2003 when the sisters were injured, that they needed to come back to give everyone a sense of reality, for example, so the belgians knew where their tennis really was. The same applies to the sisters now - they need to know how good they are at the moment, as soon as they face the 2 top players- the belgians

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 10:20 PM
hmmm funny, when a girl yelled at roger federer when he was signing :you're number one!!!"
he smiled, laughed, and replied, "nope, just two"
how laborious :eek:
Well good for Roger...

How dare Serena not be Roger...

Starr why don't you email her with the suggestion because I'm sure you and others have always responded in your lives with the perfect answer.

faboozadoo15
May 15th, 2004, 10:24 PM
Well good for Roger...

How dare Serena not be Roger...

Starr why don't you email her with the suggestion because I'm sure you and others have always responded in your lives with the perfect answer.

i'm not saying everyone needs to be like roger, but a page could certainly be taken from his book... maybe the world would be boring if that was so... but there's no need to lie to tennis fans. i just think it HURTS her to tell someone that she isn't number one, and that's how she deals with it. you would think it was ridiculous if jelena dokic told her serbian fans that she was #1, how is this any different?

starr
May 15th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Roketta, that's a dishonest kind of response. Of course, I don't email Serena. Just like none of us talk to the tennis players. We talk about them and discuss them. But usually, posters resort to a personal remark when they have run out of arguments. I thought you were above that, Roketta.

I wasn't responding to Serena. I was responding to you. You were giving a defense that it was easier for her to respond that she was number one. I was simply giving an alternative answer that showed it was as easy for her to respond with the truth. While I haven't always had the perfect response come out of my mouth, I can honestly say that I haven't lied or misrepresented myself. I think that isn't so hard. Also, Serena isn't ashamed about misrepresenting herself. She thinks it is the right thing to do since no one has ever heard of that poor thing who is number one anyway.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 10:43 PM
Roketta, that's a dishonest kind of response. Of course, I don't email Serena. Just like none of us talk to the tennis players. We talk about them and discuss them. But usually, posters resort to a personal remark when they have run out of arguments. I thought you were above that, Roketta.
I didn't say you email Serena, I said why don't you email Serena. Which you can do on her site.


I wasn't responding to Serena. I was responding to you. You were giving a defense that it was easier for her to respond that she was number one. I was simply giving an alternative answer that showed it was as easy for her to respond with the truth. While I haven't always had the perfect response come out of my mouth, I can honestly say that I haven't lied or misrepresented myself. I think that isn't so hard. Also, Serena isn't ashamed about misrepresenting herself. She thinks it is the right thing to do since no one has ever heard of that poor thing who is number one anyway.You don't know what Serena thinks about what she said..all you have is the quote of what she says and why she says it and the fact that her mother called her nut? Where in that article did Serena then go on to say I'm not ashamed and I think it's totally right. You only have a quote and don't know what was said after it so spare me the Serena isn't ashamed (which is stated as a fact).

Where did I say there weren't possible other things that Serena could've said? Heck she could've said, "Fu&K off". :shrug: Why address the comment to me? I'm explaining what her reasoning might possibly be and why she might think it easier to agree with them. Do you have an opinion as to why she wouldn't think it would be easier to agree with rhetorical questions?

World_War_3
May 15th, 2004, 10:43 PM
This quote proves that Serena is just as deluded as her fans :yawn: what's new ? :rolleyes:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 10:46 PM
i'm not saying everyone needs to be like roger, but a page could certainly be taken from his book... maybe the world would be boring if that was so... but there's no need to lie to tennis fans. i just think it HURTS her to tell someone that she isn't number one, and that's how she deals with it. you would think it was ridiculous if jelena dokic told her serbian fans that she was #1, how is this any different?Well why didn't you just say you think it hurts her to tell someone that and not bring Roger into it. I'm sure Roger has said some things that are questionable. He's not the example of perfect public interaction is he? :confused:

If Jelena Dokic let a fan continue to believe that I would think that Jelena was probably scared for her life considering the person would have to be delusional stalker to believe that since Jelena has not now or at anytime in her life been #1. So I wouldn't have a problem with it. :tape:

faboozadoo15
May 15th, 2004, 11:04 PM
i gave the roger example to show how easy it is to be honest. it also lets your fans know that you are both eager to get to number one and not telling lies... what do u think people thought if they saw she wasn't seeded number one? (she was at THIS tournament) many people may have thought roger was surely number one being the wimbledon champ, but he wasn't yet, and he let people know. u don't have to be the perfect example of fan interaction...

and by the way, what has roger done that wouldn't make him an example of fan interaction? im just curious...

starr
May 15th, 2004, 11:05 PM
I didn't say you email Serena, I said why don't you email Serena. Which you can do on her site. To think that one is actually communicating with a player by emailing her/him on a web site is a little delusional, don't you think?

You don't know what Serena thinks about what she said..all you have is the quote of what she says and why she says it and the fact that her mother called her nut? Where in that article did Serena then go on to say I'm not ashamed and I think it's totally right. You only have a quote and don't know what was said after it so spare me the Serena isn't ashamed (which is stated as a fact). I think it is not far fetched to draw the conclusion that someone who trumpets a fact to a newspaper with a circulation in the millions is not ashamed of that fact.

Where did I say there weren't possible other things that Serena could've said? Heck she could've said, "Fu&K off". :shrug: Why address the comment to me? I'm explaining what her reasoning might possibly be and why she might think it easier to agree with them. Do you have an opinion as to why she wouldn't think it would be easier to agree with rhetorical questions? I never said that you said there weren't other possible things that Serena could have said.

And yes, I do have an opinion why she wouldn't think it would be easier to agree. I expressed that opinion, and you attacked me for it.

Further, the question wasn't a rhetorical question. It was a question that asked for confirmation or denial. That is not a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a devise used in writing or oratory to provoke thought or for effect or emphasis.

SJW
May 15th, 2004, 11:06 PM
*ignores whole thread*

is it time for this thread to be locked yet?

starr
May 15th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Why would the thread be locked? No one has said anything particulary disrespectful or anything that goes beyond what is normally done here in discussions.

SJW
May 15th, 2004, 11:10 PM
oh ok. Serena + controversy + 100+ replies= thread locked

it's the law

starr
May 15th, 2004, 11:11 PM
:lol:

Eurotennisfan
May 15th, 2004, 11:25 PM
Did Serena just jinx HERSELF?

davenport_1
May 15th, 2004, 11:29 PM
This is a good message to all the IDIOTS who say the sisters aren't arrogant.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 11:29 PM
i gave the roger example to show how easy it is to be honest. it also lets your fans know that you are both eager to get to number one and not telling lies... what do u think people thought if they saw she wasn't seeded number one? (she was at THIS tournament) many people may have thought roger was surely number one being the wimbledon champ, but he wasn't yet, and he let people know. u don't have to be the perfect example of fan interaction...

and by the way, what has roger done that wouldn't make him an example of fan interaction? im just curious...
where did I say he wasn't an example of good fan interaction? I asked you was he the example of perfect fan interaction all the time.

The point is Serena isn't Roger and she answered how she answered. She had her reasons none of which was mean spirited or the cause of a bunch of confusion.

Habsudovafan
May 15th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Serena is arrogant. For Example i think the people she meets don't know the name of Martina Hingis as well. Simply because she is not american. And if an american isn't no 1 the sport isn't interesting..

World_War_3
May 15th, 2004, 11:31 PM
The point is Serena isn't Roger and she answered how she answered. She had her reasons none of which was mean spirited or the cause of a bunch of confusion.

Stop being so defensive all the time. Its as if Serena and Venus pay you to defend everything they say all the time. Just admit that Serena is an arrogant bitch and move on already :tape:

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 11:37 PM
To think that one is actually communicating with a player by emailing her/him on a web site is a little delusional, don't you think?

I guess if you're negative and don't believe then you don't believe. :shrug:


I think it is not far fetched to draw the conclusion that someone who trumpets a fact to a newspaper with a circulation in the millions is not ashamed of that fact.
No, I think it's far fetched to think an article written in a paper has included all quotes by the person so to attach feelings and emotions is an opinion on your part and not fact.


I never said that you said there weren't other possible things that Serena could have said.

And yes, I do have an opinion why she wouldn't think it would be easier to agree. I expressed that opinion, and you attacked me for it.
Where did I attack you? Telling you to email her your suggestion is attacking you? :confused:


Further, the question wasn't a rhetorical question. It was a question that asked for confirmation or denial. That is not a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a devise used in writing or oratory to provoke thought or for effect or emphasis.Actually the question can be a rhetorical question, "you're #1?" can be asked in a way where the person already knows the answer and is looking for her to confirm what they already know the answer to which would be yes. A rhetorical question is asked for effect not answer.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Stop being so defensive all the time. Its as if Serena and Venus pay you to defend everything they say all the time. Just admit that Serena is an arrogant bitch and move on already :tape:
Stop riding my jock and pick a name and stop getting banned based on your lovely personality.


or

you can just kiss my black ass. :wavey:

Martian Willow
May 15th, 2004, 11:49 PM
I was angry with Tony P. It's stupid of him to say Serena is arrogant with her comments, but fails to say the same thing about Martina.

...and you are unaware that it often appears some people do the opposite, which is presumably equally stupid...?

I am nothing like TonyP. HE is the one who is bitter.

...yes, apparently you are... :)

Juju #1
May 16th, 2004, 12:00 AM
Still isn't over ? Well...

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faste5683
May 16th, 2004, 12:49 AM
hmmm funny, when a girl yelled at roger federer when he was signing :you're number one!!!"
he smiled, laughed, and replied, "nope, just two"
how laborious :eek:

:haha:

Yes, I know I'd be in bed for a week after such an effort. :eek:

:wavey:

Martian KC
May 16th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Wow, this was hilarious!:haha:

Pureracket
May 16th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Stop riding my jock and pick a name and stop getting banned based on your lovely personality.


or

you can just kiss my black ass. :wavey::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Veritas
May 16th, 2004, 01:00 AM
"I wanna get back to being No 1. I like being on top. It's something I like waking up to in the morning."

It must be an irritation that she is not. "I can't even tell you what I'm ranked. Let's just put it like that. If I'm not No 1, I don't know what I am. But, you know, it's funny. Everybody still thinks I'm No 1. Anywhere I go they say, 'Oh my God, you're No 1, aren't you?' and I say, 'Yes I am!' If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her. So I just say, 'It's me! It's me!' Why not?"

"Serena," said her mother, wandering up, "is a nut."

The only thing I don't like about that quote is Serena saying "If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her". Even if the American public don't know, it wouldn't hurt to hear who's no.1 on the current rankings.

Still, I don't think it's really necessary to have 4 pgs of comments damning Serena about what she said. It's not like she was bagging other people/players. If people cared enough about tennis to know who's who on the top end of the scale, they'd go find out themselves. No big deal :shrug:

~VaMoS~ArAnTxA~
May 16th, 2004, 01:38 AM
I never liked Serena... Her attitude is kind a of big-head one... But I don't say it to nag her...but that's what I think. With this thing she said about being #1 makes me a bit mad... She is not #1...but she has been! And to say that nobody of the regular public knows Justine is very disappointing from Serena... :wavey: That's what I had to say about this!

topspin
May 16th, 2004, 03:17 AM
Serena was actually joking and being humorous when she made that statement. That's her nature.

With the false assumptions and the false perceptions that people try to influence others concerning Serena and Venus, why would a Venus fan start a thread and give them the opportunity to do exactly that purpose?

Look no further than the post by TonyP for example.

TonyP
May 16th, 2004, 03:33 AM
And you know Serena was joking how?

dreamgoddess099
May 16th, 2004, 03:46 AM
Although Justine has the #1 ranking, Serena is still the best player on tour in the minds of the general global public. Serena has won four slams in a row, Justine hasn't. She doesn't deserve to be seen in the same light as Serena because she hasn't accomplished something special like Serena has. Now I'm sure Justine's fans see her as the best player on tour, but realistically she has the same amount of grandslam wins as Jennifer and Lindsey. Sorry, but Justine is not in Serena's league.

Greenout
May 16th, 2004, 03:48 AM
3 slams are nothing? Get real!

That's it. I won't post in threads like this anymore. It's ridiculous
and just like talking to a wall. Think whatever you like...go on.
This is a waste of time. I don't need you to tell me nothing
happened in 2003, and who gives a cat's poo about what Harriet
in Big Butt, Montana thinks about something she only watches
for an hour during WIMBLEDON. Can't prounouce those stupid
foreign names anyway!

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Although Justine has the #1 ranking, Serena is still the best player on tour in the minds of the general global public. Serena has won four slams in a row, Justine hasn't. She doesn't deserve to be seen in the same light as Serena because she hasn't accomplished something special like Serena has. Now I'm sure Justine's fans see her as the best player on tour, but realistically she has the same amount of grandslam wins as Jennifer and Lindsey. Sorry, but Justine is not in Serena's league.
monica seles won 7 of 8, so to the general public, that's accomplishing more, is she number one?
basically, serena won four slams OVER A YEAR AGO.

do people still think the tampa bay buccaneers are the best team in football?

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 05:01 AM
Serena was actually joking and being humorous when she made that statement. That's her nature.

With the false assumptions and the false perceptions that people try to influence others concerning Serena and Venus, why would a Venus fan start a thread and give them the opportunity to do exactly that purpose?

Look no further than the post by TonyP for example.

how could u possibly know she is joking? and if she was, it was a bad joke at the expense of justine. justine has earned 3 of the last 4 grand slams and dominates the world rankings. serena doesn't isn't can't hasn't. personally, i feel it just bothers her that she is not number one and she doesn't like to think she's anything but it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but come on, let's be truthful.

Kabibi
May 16th, 2004, 05:05 AM
how could u possibly know she is joking? and if she was, it was a bad joke at the expense of justine. justine has earned 3 of the last 4 grand slams and dominates the world rankings. serena doesn't isn't can't hasn't. personally, i feel it just bothers her that she is not number one and she doesn't like to think she's anything but it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but come on, let's be truthful.
If topspin can't know whether Serena is joking or not you can't assume to know what was going on in Serena's mind when she made the comments either.

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 05:06 AM
If topspin can't know whether Serena is joking or not you can't assume to know what was going on in Serena's mind when she made the comments either.
that's why i talked about it BOTH as if she was being serious and if she was joking. it was still inappropriate...

Kabibi
May 16th, 2004, 05:11 AM
that's why i talked about it BOTH as if she was being serious and if she was joking. it was still inappropriate...It would have been inappropriate to those who wanted to see it as such and not to those who clearly didn't take it as a jab to other players, least of all Justine.


The saying goes that if you can't ignore an insult, here a perceived one, top it; if you can't top it, laugh it off; and if you can't laugh it off, it's probably deserved. Interpretations are interesting that way.

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 05:19 AM
It would have been inappropriate to those who wanted to see it as such and not to those who clearly didn't take it as a jab to other players, least of all Justine.


The saying goes that if you can't ignore an insult, here a perceived one, top it; if you can't top it, laugh it off; and if you can't laugh it off, it's probably deserved. Interpretations are interesting that way.
wtf are you talking about? if it's a joke, it's a joke that justine is not famous enough for anyone to know who she is... this should really tell serena something about a lot of her fans :tape:

and if she's being serious, then it's just mean to be a snide, hurtful jab... or she didn't mean to it to be hurtful, and she's just being honest. but a classier person doesn't let stuff like that slip.

Kabibi
May 16th, 2004, 05:25 AM
wtf are you talking about? if it's a joke, it's a joke that justine is not famous enough for anyone to know who she is... this should really tell serena something about a lot of her fans :tape:

and if she's being serious, then it's just mean to be a snide, hurtful jab... or she didn't mean to it to be hurtful, and she's just being honest. but a classier person doesn't let stuff like that slip.
I can't spell things out any clearer then what is on the screen in front of you. :shrug:

Serena nor the fans who she was speaking with/about ever brought Justine into it. Presumably, it was the fans of Justine and those others who wanted to find fault, and insult with what was said, and put on top of Serena's words their own wishes of what they wanted to read and hear. That tells a lot about her detractors as you wish for it to seemingly tell about her fans. Hesitancy in judgment is the only true mark of the thinker - I guess you have shown yourself among others not to be one?

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 05:33 AM
I can't spell things out any clearer then what is on the screen in front of you. :shrug:

Serena nor the fans who she was speaking with/about ever brought Justine into it. Presumably, it was the fans of Justine and those others who wanted to find fault, and insult with what was said, and put on top of Serena's words their own wishes of what they wanted to read and hear. That tells a lot about her detractors as you wish for it to seemingly tell about her fans. Hesitancy in judgment is the only true mark of the thinker - I guess you have shown yourself among others not to be one?
first of all, you spelled a lot of words wrong, so you could have spelled it out better :tape: nice try

i think it's really a terrible thing to never be assertive with an opinion. if no one ever made an observation or made a judgment, then these boards would only exist for reporting scores...

you think justine fans go to serena and tell her that she's number one so that they can call her a liar? methinks that's a far stretch, but not outside the realm of possibility... but then still shouldn't serena tell the TRUTH and say "no"?

you think this is something stirred up about her detractors, but when in all actuality, it's something she herself admitted to saying and she says it proudly... learn to read.

kosmikgroove
May 16th, 2004, 05:56 AM
Serena can say whatever she wants, I don't think she has an obligation to anyone but herself. She handled the situation in a way that has always been consistent with her personality, I don't understand why everyone is acting so surprised.

Personally though, I find it rather humerous even though I don't agree with it. Something about "fueling the fire for months to come" on this message board just reaks of soap-opera reading material!

switz
May 16th, 2004, 05:56 AM
Omg!!

Kabibi
May 16th, 2004, 05:57 AM
first of all, you spelled a lot of words wrong, so you could have spelled it out better :tape: nice try
Picky, picky, there is no spell checker :bigcry:

Seriously though, what words did I spell wrong? I want to be at the head of the class at the next WTAworld Spelling Bee :help:

i think it's really a terrible thing to never be assertive with an opinion. if no one ever made an observation or made a judgment, then these boards would only exist for reporting scores...
Agreed.

you think justine fans go to serena and tell her that she's number one so that they can call her a liar? methinks that's a far stretch, but not outside the realm of possibility... but then still shouldn't serena tell the TRUTH and say "no"?
I should have narrowed it down. I however did state Justine fans and others. Perhaps the better thing would have been to say some Justine fans and some others -- I refute your guess about the intent of fans and just who is lying.

Serena should tell the truth. But as I said before with interpretation, when I first read the statements, Justine never came to mind for one, or the idea that Serena and any fans who met her and said such things were out to diss other players. I took it as just another set of happy fans, meeting Serena, and acknowledging who she is, and probably who she is to them. What's wrong with that? I guess if you need for something to be wrong with that then there will be something wrong with it.

you think this is something stirred up about her detractors, but when in all actuality, it's something she herself admitted to saying and she says it proudly... learn to read.
To an certain level I do think there are detractors who will pounce on anything and make something bigger then what it truly is. I can read just fine and spell for that matter. I also have learned that when the judgment is weak, the prejudice is strong. Hey what do you know... lessons all around :)

switz
May 16th, 2004, 05:57 AM
Omg!!!!!!

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 06:28 AM
if serena needs her fans to think she's number one that's okay then i guess. but that still doesn't make it the truth. God this could go on forever...

LucasArg
May 16th, 2004, 07:03 AM
Why? isn't she n#1? :)

Diesel
May 16th, 2004, 07:05 AM
Why? isn't she n#1? :)

:scratch: It's what I thought.

SelesFan70
May 16th, 2004, 07:17 AM
She really should correct people and try to edcuate "the public" about tennis how the rankings work...I'm sure she knows the rules. She's a smart, charismatic, well-rounded lady.

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 08:15 AM
O.k,o.k...we got it. Serenaīs just a big bad mean bullie who doesnīt give Justine credit. Tjaaa.....Justine didnīt give Serena two serves at the French either, so I guess theyīre even, no?!

Justine had said some serious stuff in the past too, but the funny thing is that for her the excuse always is: "lost in translation."......

dreamgoddess099
May 16th, 2004, 08:15 AM
monica seles won 7 of 8, so to the general public, that's accomplishing more, is she number one? I didn't say more, I said special accomplishment. You know, like being only the fifth person to accomplish something. :rolleyes:
basically, serena won four slams OVER A YEAR AGO.
It doesn't matter win she did it, she did it. It's been years since Steffi or Martina won a grandslam, but that doesn't mean they aren't two of the greastest players ever.

Junex
May 16th, 2004, 09:11 AM
Although Justine has the #1 ranking, Serena is still the best player on tour in the minds of the general global public. Serena has won four slams in a row, Justine hasn't. She doesn't deserve to be seen in the same light as Serena because she hasn't accomplished something special like Serena has. Now I'm sure Justine's fans see her as the best player on tour, but realistically she has the same amount of grandslam wins as Jennifer and Lindsey. Sorry, but Justine is not in Serena's league.

Winning four grand slams in a row doesn't give you the right to lie to people being your# 1 when in fact your not.
Maybe if thats ur case its alryt if Steffi Graf tells you she's still number one.

I am a Justine Fan obviously but i dnt keep her in a pedestal of perfection. she does commited mistakes and "unsportsmanship like behavior on court" but its what people are. Nobody is perfect. So why wont you all accept that what Serena said is a big mistake and get over with this thread.

Or you all want to continue this bashing vice versa because you were all looking for ways to express your insecurities and delusions of your faves! BITTER!!!!!! PATETHIC!!!!

sarza
May 16th, 2004, 09:25 AM
Why? isn't she n#1? :)

:lol: NO because justine the great is :lol:


:bounce: very funny thread :bounce:

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Winning four grand slams in a row doesn't give you the right to lie to people being your# 1 when in fact your not.
Maybe if thats ur case its alryt if Steffi Graf tells you she's still number one.

I am a Justine Fan obviously but i dnt keep her in a pedestal of perfection. she does commited mistakes and "unsportsmanship like behavior on court" but its what people are. Nobody is perfect. So why wont you all accept that what Serena said is a big mistake and get over with this thread.

Or you all want to continue this bashing vice versa because you were all looking for ways to express your insecurities and delusions of your faves! BITTER!!!!!! PATETHIC!!!!

You mean Justine is not perfect?! Wow!! No kidding and big surprise!! :eek:

sartrista7
May 16th, 2004, 12:03 PM
Serena was actually joking and being humorous when she made that statement. That's her nature.

Like Elena D in Miami!

It's funny how that explanation didn't go down at all well with certain people back then... but those same people are now trotting the 'joke' line out for all it's worth.

I find it incredible that people are STILL shocked that Serena has a big head... c'mon people, we've known this for years.

topspin
May 16th, 2004, 01:26 PM
And you know Serena was joking how?
Serena/Jen post-interview:


Q. The computer sometimes lies, Serena. You're not No. 1, but do you regard yourself as the No. 1 player in the world?

SERENA WILLIAMS: It's kind of a weird situation, you know. People come up to me and they're saying, "Oh, hey, what's going on?" I'm like, "Oh, hey. How are you?" They say, "Yeah, so you're No. 1?" And I have no time to explain that I'm not, so I just say yes (laughter). It's a lot easier to say yes. A lot of people believe that I'm No. 1 anyway, so...

Q. Most do. Do you?

SERENA WILLIAMS: Sure. I think that's important. Even five years ago when I wasn't No. 1, I believed that I was gonna get there and I believed that I was gonna be No. 1. And once you stop thinking like that, then it's probably time to move on to something different.

Isn't it interesting how different Serena's actual words and their context are different in her post-match interview than what was originally posted in this thread? Her laughter indicated she was indeed joking and she was indeed being humorous.

topspin
May 16th, 2004, 01:29 PM
If topspin can't know whether Serena is joking or not you can't assume to know what was going on in Serena's mind when she made the comments either.
BambooDragon, we now know the truth of the matter.

Ballbuster
May 16th, 2004, 02:01 PM
If I were Serena I wouldn't explain it either, especially since I don't have the time. I'd claim it and keep moving. Who cares what a bunch of insecure chumps think.

Experimentee
May 16th, 2004, 02:08 PM
I'll try to explain again for the last time :rolleyes:

She is clearly joking. She is making fun of the fact that average people dont know much about tennis, and shes using the fact that they think she is #1 to illustrate it. She could have easily said they still think Guga is the king of clay, or some other fact, but she chose that. The main focus is on the fact that people are ignorant of tennis, not that she is #1. The 'oh yeah i'm #1', is just being kinda sarcastic, its a jibe at the fact that average people dont know any better. She didnt actually say it to anyone. If you read a lot about Serena and understand her humour it should be evident.

Martian Willow
May 16th, 2004, 02:20 PM
I'll try to explain again for the last time. :rolleyes:

It is clearly ironic. People are making fun of the fact that certain people are very quick to spew vitriolic, angry hatred, whenever any other player, such as Elena Dementieva or Martina Hingis, makes a "sarcastic" "joke", decrying them as "bitter" and "jealous", but, paradoxically, to the point of hypocrisy, are equally happy to defend a player they like when she does the same. If you read a lot of this crap on this board the hypocrisy should be evident.

Pureracket
May 16th, 2004, 03:46 PM
Well, Serena says that she's #1. That's good enough for me. :)

Rocketta
May 16th, 2004, 03:56 PM
Like Elena D in Miami!

It's funny how that explanation didn't go down at all well with certain people back then... but those same people are now trotting the 'joke' line out for all it's worth.

I find it incredible that people are STILL shocked that Serena has a big head... c'mon people, we've known this for years.
does it matter if she's joking or not? She didn't accuse anyone of doing anything wrong unlike your Elena D comment. We can debate what her response should've been all day long but it still does not compare to putting someone else down directly, whether by disguising it in a joke or not. As we know we say a lot of what we mean jokingly to take the edge off of it.

Serena could've been saying this since Kim C was #1 we don't know, seems to me it would've happened more back then compared to now. However, everyone on this board is just assuming it's about Justine of course. When it's not about any player but Serena.

cheo23
May 16th, 2004, 04:19 PM
OH My GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He just took ONe Comment of that Entire INterview and just Posted "EVerYbody still think I'm #1" ...U should all REAd the ENTIRE ARticle and finally after readin the ARticle; Its just Lighthearted! GET IT TOGETHER People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U guys Love to Overblow Just ONe COMMent..LOL@ Yall

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 05:48 PM
I didn't say more, I said special accomplishment. You know, like being only the fifth person to accomplish something. :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter win she did it, she did it. It's been years since Steffi or Martina won a grandslam, but that doesn't mean they aren't two of the greastest players ever.
oh my God, i can't believe i'm responding to this bullshit.

you said people, the general public, think serena williams is the number one player in tennis for winning four slams in a row.... but that was over a year ago :tape: and anyone who gives a shit about tennis would know rankings only reward the last year... or steffi graf, monica, martina, chris et al would all be still ranked ahead of serena!

Experimentee
May 16th, 2004, 06:08 PM
I'll try to explain again for the last time. :rolleyes:

It is clearly ironic. People are making fun of the fact that certain people are very quick to spew vitriolic, angry hatred, whenever any other player, such as Elena Dementieva or Martina Hingis, makes a "sarcastic" "joke", decrying them as "bitter" and "jealous", but, paradoxically, to the point of hypocrisy, are equally happy to defend a player they like when she does the same. If you read a lot of this crap on this board the hypocrisy should be evident.

Elena D accused Venus of lying and faking her injury ad questioning her integrity. She also claimed the Williams sisters fixed their matches. I think those comments are more harmful than what Serena said. You cant compare it :rolleyes:

dreamgoddess099
May 16th, 2004, 06:51 PM
oh my God, i can't believe i'm responding to this bullshit.

you said people, the general public, think serena williams is the number one player in tennis for winning four slams in a row.... but that was over a year ago :tape: and anyone who gives a shit about tennis would know rankings only reward the last year... or steffi graf, monica, martina, chris et al would all be still ranked ahead of serena!The general public think that #1 and best go hand in hand. Many still see Serena as the best player because of the Serena slam, so obviously they would assume she is ranked #1. It was the same way when Kim had the #1 ranking over Serena. BTW, it doesn't matter when Serena won her slam, nobody else has matched it. If the current #1 is supposedly better than Serena, then why haven't they won four granslams in a row too?

bandabou
May 16th, 2004, 06:56 PM
Elena D accused Venus of lying and faking her injury ad questioning her integrity. She also claimed the Williams sisters fixed their matches. I think those comments are more harmful than what Serena said. You cant compare it :rolleyes:


You canīt....but some people obviously can!

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 07:20 PM
The general public think that #1 and best go hand in hand. Many still see Serena as the best player because of the Serena slam, so obviously they would assume she is ranked #1. It was the same way when Kim had the #1 ranking over Serena. BTW, it doesn't matter when Serena won her slam, nobody else has matched it. If the current #1 is supposedly better than Serena, then why haven't they won four granslams in a row too?
the current number one has won 2 of the last three slams and has a winning record over serena over 2003 and they havent played in 2004

harloo
May 16th, 2004, 07:50 PM
hmm.....da forehand hating on Serena? that's a new one, but maybe not.:tape:

Anyways, Serena was joking but I don't understand why she said that when she knows that every little thing she says the vultures would trash her for it. And as we can see in this thread, they are out in full force.

Futhermore, H-H is the #1 but once Serena settles in and adjusts to the game again H-H better watch out.

Eurotennisfan
May 16th, 2004, 07:54 PM
the current number one has won 2 of the last three slams and has a winning record over serena over 2003 and they havent played in 2004

true.

sarza
May 16th, 2004, 07:58 PM
true indeed

faboozadoo15
May 16th, 2004, 08:54 PM
hmm.....da forehand hating on Serena? that's a new one, but maybe not.:tape:

Anyways, Serena was joking but I don't understand why she said that when she knows that every little thing she says the vultures would trash her for it. And as we can see in this thread, they are out in full force.

Futhermore, H-H is the #1 but once Serena settles in and adjusts to the game again H-H better watch out.
why does anyone who finds fault in what serena says a "vulture"?

DA FOREHAND
May 17th, 2004, 05:23 PM
The average American also thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. He wasn't. The average American is neither well educated, nor well informed. But if Serena actually said the above quote,and I have my doubts about that, I think she owes Justine an apology. Serena was number one, but she failed to play any tournaments in the second half of the year and she lost the title. Some of it was caused by injury, some by acting. The acting part was her choice. She demeans everyone else and the tour which has made her rich and famous by making such statements.


No they don't the avg. idiot republican thinks Saddam was responsible for 9/11.

DA FOREHAND
May 17th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Wow!
didn't know this thread would reach six pages, or that I'd get bad repped for posting Serena's quote...LOL

DA FOREHAND
May 17th, 2004, 05:52 PM
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?

I suggest to you that the media would destroy any other player who made such a statement, calling them disrespectful and arrogant. It is not Serena's responsibility to correct the fans, but it is her responsibility to tell the truth. What kind of role model does this make Serena? This is very, very inappropriate behavior.

Its adds to her reputation as the most irresponsible number one in history, a woman who has pulled out of more tournaments with flimsy excuses than any other player. The woman who did not show up for the number ones ceremony,even though she had been in the building earlier in the day.

Serena simply does not wear a crown well.

Really I guess you've never heard of Mahaumed Ali :wavey:

Paneru
May 17th, 2004, 06:01 PM
No they don't the avg. idiot republican thinks Saddam was responsible for 9/11.
Thank You! :cool:

Paneru
May 17th, 2004, 06:02 PM
Really I guess you've never heard of Mahaumed Ali :wavey:
:worship: :lol:

DA FOREHAND
May 17th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Never heard Martina Hingis say...

"What rivalry i'm thousands of points ahead"

"She's old the game is faster now it's passed her by"

"Maybe she'll be number one when I retire"

"I played so well I could have beat her left-handed" about ASV

dreamgoddess099
May 17th, 2004, 08:49 PM
the current number one has won 2 of the last three slamsWhy didn't she win all three? and has a winning record over serena over 2003 and they havent played in 2004Yeah, yeah, we all know how she got that winning h2h in 2003. Anyway, Serena still has a winning h2h overall. BTW, Serena also has a winning or even h2h against everyone in the top ten. What does Justine's h2h against all the top ten players look like?

dreamgoddess099
May 17th, 2004, 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by TonyP
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever heard a player make. Can anyone tell me of any other player who claimed to be number one in the world when she was not ranked number one?Oh please, everybody champion thinks they are the best player. Hell, Martina Nav. at 46 still thinks that she can compete against anybody on tour. I guess she is arrogant too huh?

I suggest to you that the media would destroy any other player who made such a statement, calling them disrespectful and arrogant. It is not Serena's responsibility to correct the fans, but it is her responsibility to tell the truth. What kind of role model does this make Serena? This is very, very inappropriate behavior.Talk about inappropriate behavior, how about putting your hand up on your opponents serve on international TV and never owning up to it. What kind of role model does that make Justine? How is it that Serena has a responsibility to tell the truth, but Justine doesn't? Justine and her fans believe there was nothing wrong with her actions and Serena's believe there is nothing wrong with her still seeing herself as the best player on tour.

Its adds to her reputation as the most irresponsible number one in history, a woman who has pulled out of more tournaments with flimsy excuses than any other player. The woman who did not show up for the number ones ceremony,even though she had been in the building earlier in the day. Funny how much she has won with such a supposedly horrid work ethic and low commitment to the tour. Why do those stupid multi billion dollar companies continue to shell out millions of dollars to such a supposedly irresponsible player? Hmm, they must know something you don't.

Serena simply does not wear a crown well.Yeah, and Justine wears the crown so well that the general public doesn't even know who she is, let alone that she and not Serena is ranked #1. Somebody tell me again how marketing yourself and being more than just a tennis player isn't good for you or the sport. :rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
May 17th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Why didn't she win all three? Yeah, yeah, we all know how she got that winning h2h in 2003. Anyway, Serena still has a winning h2h overall. BTW, Serena also has a winning or even h2h against everyone in the top ten. What does Justine's h2h against all the top ten players look like?
haha, it's actually 3 of four... and that's because serena won the other-- that's ONE to THREE

justine would have beaten serena even if she would have gotten another first serve, my God... get over it.

what does record over the top 10 mean-- that's years ago, that has nothing to do with the here now, and everything within the last 52 weeks. and that's what counts.

faboozadoo15
May 17th, 2004, 09:42 PM
Really I guess you've never heard of Mahaumed Ali :wavey:
i wouldn't use him for an example of wearing the crown well or representing his game well...

now proclaiming himself the best :tape: is a whole other story...

faste5683
May 17th, 2004, 09:57 PM
No they don't the avg. idiot republican thinks Saddam was responsible for 9/11.

Well, those darn "avg. idiot republicans" have a hard time keeping up with world affairs - being so busy counting their money and all...

:wavey:

dreamgoddess099
May 17th, 2004, 10:42 PM
haha, it's actually 3 of four... and that's because serena won the other-- that's ONE to THREESerena 6, Justine 3. Or better yet, out of the last 6 grandslams Serena has played, she's won 5. Out of the last 6 Justine has played, she's won 3.

justine would have beaten serena even if she would have gotten another first serve, my God... get over it. Says you. If she thought that, then she would have given Serena her first serve. She didn't becaus she was a coward. She was down 4-2, 30-love. She herself said that she felt like she was going to lose, which explains her desperate behavior. It was on international TV, but yet you still deny it. :rolleyes:

what does record over the top 10 mean-- that's years ago, that has nothing to do with the here now.Oh, so a players history, record, and accomplishments don't matter? :confused:

faboozadoo15
May 17th, 2004, 10:50 PM
Serena 6, Justine 3. Or better yet, out of the last 6 grandslams Serena has played, she's won 5. Out of the last 6 Justine has played, she's won 3.

Says you. If she thought that, then she would have given Serena her first serve. She didn't becaus she was a coward. She was down 4-2, 30-love. She herself said that she felt like she was going to lose, which explains her desperate behavior. It was on international TV, but yet you still deny it. :rolleyes:

Oh, so a players history, record, and accomplishments don't matter? :confused:
first part, serena's other wins are over a year ago... justine's are all more recent...

justine thought serena was trying to sneak one in while she wasn't ready, and it failed. justine didn't think she should reward such behavior. i bet she would take it back now. but she was angry that serena tried that.
and in reference to her thinking she was going to win-- she was referring to how unbelievable it is that she beat serena in a major, and how she thought before the match that she would lose.

accomplishments from over a year ago don't matter for rankings. like i said, otherwise, navratilova would still be #1 or graf, chrissy, or seles.

dreamgoddess099
May 18th, 2004, 12:02 AM
first part, serena's other wins are over a year ago... justine's are all more recent...And look who's absence they were in.

justine thought serena was trying to sneak one in while she wasn't ready, and it failed. justine didn't think she should reward such behavior. i bet she would take it back now. but she was angry that serena tried that. Justine was angry so she didn't own up to having her hand up. Serena was even more angry when the match was over, but she still shake Justine's hand (although she clearly didn't want to) and reframed from punching Justine in the face. Which one acted more mature?

and in reference to her thinking she was going to win-- she was referring to how unbelievable it is that she beat serena in a major, and how she thought before the match that she would lose. Sounds like the mentality of a coward who knows they are going to need some help ( and was so desperate that she gladly accepted it) to win. I've never heard Serena say she thought she would lose before a match because she is not a coward.

accomplishments from over a year ago don't matter for rankings. like i said, otherwise, navratilova would still be #1 or graf, chrissy, or seles.Oh, so are you saying that because Justine is ranked #1 now, she is better than all of those players you just listed? So I guess Kim was better than Serena and Justine when she was ranked #1, although she had no grandslams. According to you being #1 means more than grandslam success.

Ballbuster
May 18th, 2004, 12:06 AM
I see the idiot girls has hijacked this thread. You know who you are.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2004, 12:28 AM
And look who's absence they were in.

Justine was angry so she didn't own up to having her hand up. Serena was even more angry when the match was over, but she still shake Justine's hand (although she clearly didn't want to) and reframed from punching Justine in the face. Which one acted more mature?

Sounds like the mentality of a coward who knows they are going to need some help ( and was so desperate that she gladly accepted it) to win. I've never heard Serena say she thought she would lose before a match because she is not a coward.

Oh, so are you saying that because Justine is ranked #1 now, she is better than all of those players you just listed? So I guess Kim was better than Serena and Justine when she was ranked #1, although she had no grandslams. According to you being #1 means more than grandslam success.

firstly, justine can't help is if serena injures herself so frequently. often times it's about being the last one standing which shows justine can play more high level tennis than serena and be healthy. thats how she won the us open.

serena was very rude in her handshake, and if you think "refraining from punching" is an act of maturity i question how old you are.
thinking you may lose does not make you a coward-- makes you a realist. thinking you are better than everyone else and then LOSING makes you look like a fool :tape:

:lol: you totally missed the boat on the last part :lmao:
rankings are based on the LAST YEAR. if serena only has ONE SLAM in the last year and justine has THREE slams in the last year, justine is obviously deserving of her number one ranking. (not to mention a whole lot of other titles)
this isn't about kim or those other players. you just can't count what has happened before this year and add it to your total wins which are what make a player #1 over the last year. serena's other slams (all but wimbledon) don't count on the rankings anymore-- justine's DO. justine is therefore number one...
is it that hard :confused:

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2004, 01:19 AM
and i know im making too much sense when ballbuster badreps me :haha: :lol:

~ The Leopard ~
May 18th, 2004, 01:37 AM
Well, she does have a special ranking of # 1. I know that is not the "real" ranking, but it is evidence that the situation is kind of complicated. You're all making too much of this. Serena is far from my favourite player, but give her a break.

Rub
May 18th, 2004, 02:45 AM
this b*tch is still living in DENIAL!!! poor little ass...

dreamgoddess099
May 18th, 2004, 04:53 AM
this b*tch is still living in DENIAL!!! poor little ass...
Why don't you go back and do what you do best and continue to "Rub" your face in the crack of Justine's herpes infested ass. Anyway you slice it, Serena has more fans, money, and creditability. You're delusional if think Justine is on her level, because she's not.

alexusjonesfan
May 18th, 2004, 05:00 AM
Serena has more fans, money, and creditability. You're delusional if think Justine is on her level, because she's not.
Yeah, poor Justine's credit sucks. The bank foreclosed on her apartment :mad:

dreamgoddess099
May 18th, 2004, 05:29 AM
firstly, justine can't help is if serena injures herself so frequently. Serena can't help if the general public still see her as the best player and not Justine.
often times it's about being the last one standing which shows justine can play more high level tennis than serena and be healthy. thats how she won the us open. Before she was injured, Serena made it to the finals of 5 of the 7 tournaments she played last year and made the semis of all of them. What's more high level than that?

serena was very rude in her handshake, and if you think "refraining from punching" is an act of maturity i question how old you are. Thinking that Justine's gamesmanship is justified because of something she "thought" shows your level of maturity.
thinking you may lose does not make you a coward-- makes you a realist. Yeah, A real coward.
Thinking you are better than everyone else and then LOSING makes you look like a fool :tape: No, thinking you are better than everybody (when you are) and then having someone prove that they need help to beat you on international TV makes you right.

:lol: you totally missed the boat on the last part :lmao:
rankings are based on the LAST YEAR. if serena only has ONE SLAM in the last year and justine has THREE slams in the last year, justine is obviously deserving of her number one ranking. Actually, Justine only won 2 grandslams last year, not 3. And Serena won 2 grandslams last year, not 1. (not to mention a whole lot of other titles)
this isn't about kim or those other players. you just can't count what has happened before this year and add it to your total wins which are what make a player #1 over the last year. serena's other slams (all but wimbledon) don't count on the rankings anymore-- justine's DO. justine is therefore number one...
is it that hard :confused:This isn't about who is ranked #1, this is about Serena having the right to feel she is still the best player on tour when she won 2 grandslam last year; the same amount Justine won. We know Justine is ranked #1, but does that make her a better player than Serena? No! So why get mad at Serena or the general public for thinking Serena is still the best player on tour and assuming she is still ranked #1?

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2004, 05:41 AM
Serena can't help if the general public still see her as the best player and not Justine.
Before she was injured, Serena made it to the finals of 5 of the 7 tournaments she played last year and made the semis of all of them. What's more high level than that?

Thinking that Justine's gamesmanship is justified because of something she "thought" shows your level of maturity.
Yeah, A real coward.
No, thinking you are better than everybody (when you are) and then having someone prove that they need help to beat you on international TV makes you right.

Actually, Justine only won 2 grandslams last year, not 3. And Serena won 2 grandslams last year, not 1. (not to mention a whole lot of other titles)
This isn't about who is ranked #1, this is about Serena having the right to feel she is still the best player on tour when she won 2 grandslam last year; the same amount Justine won. We know Justine is ranked #1, but does that make her a better player than Serena? No! So why get mad at Serena or the general public for thinking Serena is still the best player on tour and assuming she is still ranked #1?

1 it has nothing to do with what the public sees... no need to lie.
2 more high level than that would be how justine ended last year and started this year (we don't have to go back that far)
3 serena used a little gamesmanship herself. i'd be pissed if someone tried to sneak a serve in without even looking over at me. granted she should have gotten the first back, but the rule is also she has to make eye contact and in a close situation, both players faultered, sorry!
4 one point doesn't make that big of a difference SEVERAL GAMES BEFORE THE MATCH WAS OVER. do we have to mention what serena did to kim in the aus open 2002 semi? admitting you are surprised that you won shows you have humility, saying yur going to beat everyone and not doing it makes you look like a cock.
5 in the last 52 weeks, justine has the french open, the us open, and the australian (THREE, count em); serena has wimbledon (ONE, count IT) justine also has more non slam titles from last year and certainly more this year...

to answer your last question-- bc she isn't. she's lost to justine 2 of the last 3 times they've played. the number one player by a few thousand points ahead of her has won 4 of the last 4 grandslams. who else wants to claim to be number one?

dreamgoddess099
May 18th, 2004, 06:04 AM
1 it has nothing to do with what the public sees.
If it has nothing to do with what the public sees (or Serena for that matter) to you, then why do you care if someone is lying or not? Don't contradict yourself. I'm going to skip all of the rest of that bull you just posted. I could post Serena's much more impressive results, but I'll continue to let you think Justine did something that Serena hasn't already done, and as I mentioned, in a much better fashion. Come talk your non-sense about how great Justine is when she's won four grandslams in row like Serena (you know, without having to cheat or needing the best players to be off tour). Until then, Serena is still the best and Justine can't compare.

pigam
May 18th, 2004, 10:38 AM
Why don't you go back and do what you do best and continue to "Rub" your face in the crack of Justine's herpes infested ass. Anyway you slice it, Serena has more fans, money, and creditability. You're delusional if think Justine is on her level, because she's not.
:lick: ...
I'm sure Justine is real jealous of all those fans :)

VeraNuVirgosFan
May 18th, 2004, 11:12 AM
"Everybody still thinks I'm No 1...If I try to explain to the regular public in America who is No 1, they've never heard of her..." -Serena Williams
I'm not one of the regular public in America, I'm from Asia, but I do think Serena and Venus are still #1 and #2 in the world.

The Williams sisters are so popular and well known. At the Hong Kong exhibition in January this year I got the feeling that Hong Kong tennis fans still think Venus is #2 or even #1 in the world.

I can't compare the popularity of Venus and the current #1 in Hong Kong because Justine wasn't there. But Ferrero was much more popular than Federer maybe because they thought he was more handsome.

Greenout
May 18th, 2004, 11:14 AM
Yes, Venus is popular in HK; but Justine despite never having even
played in Japan as a WTA player is more popular in Japan than Venus,
Serena or Kimmy- and they all played there before.

~ The Leopard ~
May 18th, 2004, 11:46 AM
Serena's comment was sort of in fun, and it wasn't so bad. OTOH some of her fans' comments about Juju in this thread...... :tape:

Anyway, this is such a funny thread. :lol:

Greenout
May 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Serena's comment was sort of in fun, and it wasn't so bad. OTOH some of her fans' comments about Juju in this thread...... :tape:

Anyway, this is such a funny thread. :lol:


Isn't this the usual pattern? :tape:

sarza
May 18th, 2004, 11:49 AM
i think this thread is just soooo funny :lol: