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Fishnick
May 14th, 2004, 12:04 PM
We are at a sad turn of events. Serena/Venus/Kim/Justine are basically no shows at most tournaments. There is no Rivialry. The first 2 days of the french Open are sold out on the strength of a 47 year old past champion playing on one of the two days. The next 12 days tickets are going for a song. As Martina and Andre continue to reduce there playing schedule, the Game continues to fade. Without bankable stars, the game looks set for ruin. As Venus pulls out of another tournment and Serena plays part time, Justine is "Not well", Kim is injured, Monica is fading, Jenifer is playing less and less, Martina is retiring at the end of the year, Lindsay is tossing up retirement...where do we go?..Sevetlana and Karolina etc are great, but they are not Serena et al. There is major problems.

Greenout
May 14th, 2004, 12:09 PM
HUH? Serena's at the Italian Open, The Capster is getting her form back,
Amelie's there too. Justine's is coming back to RG, and LD will be up for
it this year. Actually, it's moving in the right direction with a nice array
of new faces, and improving players like the Russians. Stop reading all
the crap from non-tennis journalists or writers that gloat about men's
tennis.

pav
May 14th, 2004, 12:16 PM
HUH? Serena's at the Italian Open, The Capster is getting her form back,
Amelie's there too. Justine's is coming back to RG, and LD will be up for
it this year. Actually, it's moving in the right direction with a nice array
of new faces, and improving players like the Russians. Stop reading all
the crap from non-tennis journalists or writers that gloat about men's
tennis.

Well said!

Fishnick
May 14th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Sorry mate, disagree with you. Womens tennis is about as low as it can get. There is an article in another thread that states what I have said. As a tennis fan it is over for me, there is nothing worth paying to go and see. Well nothing that will actualy show up!!

esquímaux
May 14th, 2004, 12:20 PM
HUH? Serena's at the Italian Open, The Capster is getting her form back,
Amelie's there too. Justine's is coming back to RG, and LD will be up for
it this year. Actually, it's moving in the right direction with a nice array
of new faces, and improving players like the Russians. Stop reading all
the crap from non-tennis journalists or writers that gloat about men's
tennis.
Greenout, you know better than to rationalize with the irrational :ras:

SelesFan70
May 14th, 2004, 02:14 PM
She's not singing, but she's at her apartment taking a shower getting ready to head to the opera.... :eek:

HectorMagnus
May 14th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Sorry mate, disagree with you. Womens tennis is about as low as it can get. There is an article in another thread that states what I have said. As a tennis fan it is over for me, there is nothing worth paying to go and see. Well nothing that will actualy show up!!


Good bye, I'm sure w. tennis won't miss you.... :angel:

"Sluggy"
May 14th, 2004, 02:21 PM
We are at a sad turn of events. Serena/Venus/Kim/Justine are basically no shows at most tournaments. There is no Rivialry. The first 2 days of the french Open are sold out on the strength of a 47 year old past champion playing on one of the two days. The next 12 days tickets are going for a song. As Martina and Andre continue to reduce there playing schedule, the Game continues to fade. Without bankable stars, the game looks set for ruin. As Venus pulls out of another tournment and Serena plays part time, Justine is "Not well", Kim is injured, Monica is fading, Jenifer is playing less and less, Martina is retiring at the end of the year, Lindsay is tossing up retirement...where do we go?..Sevetlana and Karolina etc are great, but they are not Serena et al. There is major problems.


What are you talking about? is that true? that the first 2 days were sold out due to Martina? First i thought there might still be general admission seats. second martina didnt announce shed play singles until very recently. by then the seats were gone anyway. no? I think tennis will be alive and well without Andre, Venus, Serena and the others. sure itll change things for a bit, but it sounds like you are exaggerating. but really, did martina affect ticket sales. tickets were sold in March. at that time martina wasnt playing singles.

"Sluggy"
May 14th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Theres plenty of tennis players to get excited about.......sheesh

Rothes
May 14th, 2004, 02:24 PM
Sorry mate, disagree with you. Womens tennis is about as low as it can get. There is an article in another thread that states what I have said. As a tennis fan it is over for me, there is nothing worth paying to go and see. Well nothing that will actualy show up!!
Thats why you learn to appreciate Smaller Ranked Players. Currently at the Moment I am enjoying the Italian Open, Who would of thought Silvia and Francesca !!! I know they are good players, but It makes it even more exciting seeing as that some of the Normal Faces aren't there.

- L i n a -
May 14th, 2004, 02:41 PM
Thats why you learn to appreciate Smaller Ranked Players. Currently at the Moment I am enjoying the Italian Open, Who would of thought Silvia and Francesca !!! I know they are good players, but It makes it even more exciting seeing as that some of the Normal Faces aren't there.
Like THAT will ever happen with the usual bandwagon boobs in GM.

Rothes
May 14th, 2004, 02:46 PM
Like THAT will ever happen with the usual bandwagon boobs in GM.
Thats why it's best to stick to Players Forums ;)

fammmmedspin
May 14th, 2004, 03:01 PM
The only problem once the sick list shortens is the changing nationalities of the top players in marketing terms. The US may soon be left with only the Williams sisters who may be too injured for long careers and Spain will need a replacement for Conchita in the same way as Germany still needs one for Graf. In terms of the actual tennis though the top 25 has rarely been so talented.

esquímaux
May 14th, 2004, 03:19 PM
(http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=114668)Womens Tennis: Is the fat lady singing?

(http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=114668)

Yes she is! BJK has taken time out of her busy asst. FedCup position to record more tracks for her upcoming "Burger King and Billie" cd release :D Some of the added tracks include:

Hit My Whopper One More Time
I'm A Genie in A Whopper

and the all too anticipated..

Livin' La Whopper Loca :silly:

Rumor has it that a tour is planned for this summer too :secret: And in a promotional bid, the first 50 cd purchases come with free Burger King Billie Burger coupons ;)

Jakeev
May 14th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Thats why you learn to appreciate Smaller Ranked Players. Currently at the Moment I am enjoying the Italian Open, Who would of thought Silvia and Francesca !!! I know they are good players, but It makes it even more exciting seeing as that some of the Normal Faces aren't there.
Absolutely, but people don't want to believe in that. For many watching a player like Francesca Shiavone is boring because she doesn't bang the ball like say Venus Williams.

In some respects you have to blame the media. They tend to only focus on star power and not talent. If women's tennis is gonna survive, it's needs to be fully exploited and not just by a few handful of women.

"Sluggy"
May 14th, 2004, 03:44 PM
(http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=114668)

Yes she is! BJK has taken time out of her busy asst. FedCup position to record more tracks for her upcoming "Burger King and Billie" cd release :D Some of the added tracks include:

Hit My Whopper One More Time
I'm A Genie in A Whopper

and the all too anticipated..

Livin' La Whopper Loca :silly:

Rumor has it that a tour is planned for this summer too :secret: And in a promotional bid, the first 50 cd purchases come with free Burger King Billie Burger coupons ;)


very cute, you had me going

Rothes
May 14th, 2004, 03:59 PM
Absolutely, but people don't want to believe in that. For many watching a player like Francesca Shiavone is boring because she doesn't bang the ball like say Venus Williams.

In some respects you have to blame the media. They tend to only focus on star power and not talent. If women's tennis is gonna survive, it's needs to be fully exploited and not just by a few handful of women.
Well that (in respect) Is like Americas ESPN Focusing on Andy Roddick. As long as they are making the Money from showing him a dozen times a day (slight exaggeration ;) There not going to care about the everyday viewer.

Here in Eurosport, it is usually live coverage throughout the majority of the tournaments, in that respect people come to respect players who are not as well known as the likes of Venus, Serena, Lindsay, which I believe is fair, and that since each country has their own Sattelite EuroSport, it can be fixed for certain nationalities who are playing (In Italy they should be both playing Francesca and Silvia right now)

Then Again as long as Companies are getting maximum $$ By selling The More proclaimed well known players, rather then showing the lesser known players, they couldn't really care less about what the viewer wants, Luckily the Tennic Channel over there (USA) and Eurosport are more reliable.

Nodoubt the Tennis Channel will have the same effect in time to come.

Eurotennisfan
May 14th, 2004, 05:07 PM
Sorry mate, disagree with you. Womens tennis is about as low as it can get. There is an article in another thread that states what I have said. As a tennis fan it is over for me, there is nothing worth paying to go and see. Well nothing that will actualy show up!!

:wavey: :wavey: bye!

joao
May 14th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Even though each country broadcasts essentially its own players, in Europe you are actually able to see a bigger variety of matches than in USA (nationality-wise), where you only see matches played by at least 1 american ... I don't think RG would suffer that much if some of the american players wouldn't show up ... there are plenty of french players french people want to see, or other European players ...

But at least here in the USA, I think the TV networks will have to take most of the blame if one day people start to stop being interested in tennis. There's almost no coverage of tournaments other than GS and big american tournaments (Miami and IW) ... and even when they do, they're so biased towards american players ... it's become ridiculous. I'm glad my favourite players are americans ... but I'd really love to see other players playing once in a while ...

vogus
May 14th, 2004, 06:17 PM
"The first two days of the tournament are sold out because Navratilova is playing on one of the two days, and the next 12 days the tickets are going for a song"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

that's the most moronically false assertion that i've read on the board in at least two weeks. I can't believe there are suckers here who would believe a statement like that. The thread starter is obviously not a "hardcore" tennis fan like most of the regulars. He thinks Seles is still "fading". Dude, Seles isn't fading, Seles is DONE. She was fading two, three years ago.

kosmikgroove
May 14th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Umm if you're assuming that the sport will only survive with huge headliners with like Andre and Martina then the sport would have died years ago. In case you didn't notice, they're not dominating their respective fields. And furthermore there's no rivalry concerning these 2 players. There goes that theory...

Sports casting is a popularity contest, and much like high school even though someone isn't popular now, give it a few years for the big names to "blow over" and it gives room to new people to take the stage.

And I hate to bring this up again, but.... for the love of god, you can't believe everything you read from an "article"! Have you taken a look @ yahoo sports? I mean the inaccuracies speak for the lack of enthusiasm from the writers themselves. That's not necessarily a refelection of the fans and enthusiasts of the sport. Unfortunately in your case, you seem to be riding the current mood sports writers, and not the athletes or the appreciation of the game. ... And another thing... (again I hate to bring his up again on this board) but women's tennis may not bring in huge numbers here in the States, but check worldwide and other countries will tell you otherwise.

Sanneriet
May 14th, 2004, 07:04 PM
"In The Arena: Limping women's tennis tour misses a chance"); In The Arena: Limping women's tennis tour misses a chance Christopher Clarey (http://www.iht.com/cgi-bin/generic.cgi?template=articlesearch.tmpl&dt=articleAuthor&location=Christopher Clarey) IHT
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While Justine Henin-Hardenne, Kim Clijsters and Venus Williams played in Australia, Serena Williams and Jennifer Capriati were at home recovering. While Serena and Capriati play this week in Rome, Henin-Hardenne, Clijsters and Venus are the ones recovering. .
The biggest letdown in sports this season has not been Real Madrid. It has been women's tennis. Real's stars might not have won the titles they were expected to win, but at least all they were on the field and on television. .
Getting the top women to compete in the same tennis tournament is proving more difficult than beating Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari. The last time the women's game was at anything resembling full strength was nearly a year ago at Wimbledon. Even then Venus Williams pulled a stomach muscle and ended up wincing her way through the final she lost to her sister. .
At this dire stage, that sort of compromised final actually sounds attractive. Between Serena Williams's long, halting comeback from knee surgery, Amelie Mauresmo's back problems, Kim Clijsters' serious wrist injury and the viral infection that has kept Henin-Hardenne out of action for more than a month, the sport should apply for disaster relief, or at least charisma relief. .
The reassuring news, such as Lindsay Davenport's return to fine form, has been drowned out by the bad. And the buzz that accumulated last spring when Henin-Hardenne made her move to the top of the sport by beating Serena Williams in an attention-grabbing French Open semifinal en route to her first Grand Slam title has dissolved in an unrelenting drizzle of walkovers, withdrawals and wasted opportunities. .
In the last year, the game has lurched from Williams fatigue to Belgian fatigue to general fatigue. The maddening part, particularly for the new WTA chief executive officer, Larry Scott, and the sponsors he has been wooing, is that this season had the potential to be something special. In a personality-driven game and personality-driven sports marketplace, women's tennis has a surplus of names worth dropping. .
The only advantage of the Williams sisters' extended absence from the tour in 2003 was that it allowed Henin-Hardenne and, to a lesser degree, Clijsters to consolidate their reputations and generate interest in the matchups to come. .
Five months into 2004, there have been no matchups. The last time Henin-Hardenne played a Williams was when she lost to Serena in the Wimbledon semifinals last July. The last time Clijsters played a Williams was when she lost to Venus in the same round and place. .
Mauresmo, the talented but fragile Frenchwoman, has not played them for longer than that, and when she was finally poised to face Venus Williams again, in the final of last week's clay-court event in Berlin, Williams withdrew with a sprained ankle. .
It was an understandable move for a woman who has paid a high price for playing through injuries in the past, but it did nothing to improve the collective mood. What is also discouraging is that no youngster has genuinely seized the opportunity presented by the diluted fields and absent or ailing stars. .
Maria Sharapova, a statuesque Russian 17-year-old, has confirmed the potential she showed last year by rising to No. 19 in the rankings. Tatiana Golovin, a French 16-year-old, reached the fourth round at the Australian Open and the semifinals of the indoor event in Paris. Sesil Karatancheva, a cocky Bulgarian 14-year-old, talked trash and won two rounds at the tournament in Indian Wells. Karolina Sprem, a Croatian 19-year-old, has been impressive, pushing Venus Williams to three sets in the semifinals in Berlin, and another 19-year-old, Jelena Jankovic of Serbia and Montenegro, won her first tour event this month in Budapest. .
But Budapest is a Tier V tournament, the lowest form of tour habitat, with only $110,000 in prize money. In truth, no newcomer has had a breakthrough victory this season against a top player. Svetlana Kuznetsova, a Russian 18-year-old best known as Martina Navratilova's former doubles partner, did beat Venus Williams in Dubai and Henin-Hardenne in Doha in spectacular fashion, but Kuznetsova was already a well-established threat. .
There has been much worth forgetting in 2004. The Australian Open, the year's first Grand Slam tournament, was a snore, unredeemed by Henin-Hardenne's uneven three-set victory over Clijsters in the final. After nearly four more months of road trips and room service, only one match stands out: Mauresmo's 6-7 (4-7), 7-5, 6-3 victory over Henin-Hardenne last month on Amelia Island after saving a match point. Unfortunately, that was the last time Henin-Hardenne played. Weakened by glandular fever, she only resumed practicing last week and is still questionable for the French Open, which begins in Paris on May 24. Clijsters has already withdrawn from the year's second major because of her lingering left wrist injury, which keeps her from striking her potent two-handed backhand effectively. Meanwhile, Venus is trying to shake off her ankle injury, and Serena, who has played only three tournaments in the past 10 months, is trying to shake off the rust. .
Considering all this, it would be tempting to make Mauresmo the French Open favorite if you didn't know her history of buckling under the weight of expectations on Paris clay. Even if the local here holds uncharacteristically firm, the way things are going in her sport these days something else will buckle instead, and it will probably be a knee or an ankle or a tournament promoter's will to live. International Herald Tribune

Virginia Wade
May 14th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Womens Tennis: Is the fat lady singing?
Surely not. Wendy Turnbull can't sing.

ToeTag
May 14th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Surely not. Wendy Turnbull can't sing.
;) Neither can BJK.