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silvercharm
Feb 26th, 2002, 01:40 AM
what of those 1.5 million deaths in Iraq, caused by the US government’s sanctions--mostly coming from the 8-year reign of the Clinton Administration (who imposed 64 unilateral sanctions--the most ever)... How could that many people die over a period of ten years (and, yes, they were mostly babies, children, the elderly and the sick) without the American public noticing? How could they not know about the catastrophic genetic defects in newborns, caused by contamination from our depleted-uranium weapons?
(see http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/mettoc.htm)...And who can forget that monstrosity of a comment made by Madeleine Albright: all those deaths over there "were worth it." What exactly is the moral difference between her and a Nazi? Is there any difference at all, besides the fact the Nazis had cool uniforms and she’s as hideous as Frankenstein?...Richard Perle, who is the reincarnation of Vlad Tepes, apparently wants to kill nearly every Iraqi – man, woman, child, infant – over there. Paul Wolfowitz, who plays Renfield to Perle’s Dracula, is no better. They want the US to attack Iraq again, and it appears we are....and in between the war crime president we have the Bush's--more of the same...what a wonderful world

disposablehero
Feb 26th, 2002, 02:14 AM
*yawn*

Kart
Feb 26th, 2002, 02:16 AM
Zzzzzz

Scotso
Feb 26th, 2002, 02:48 AM
You're a Nazi, why don't you tell us?

Lola
Feb 26th, 2002, 03:04 AM
There won't be another reincarnation of Vlad Tepes... it is impossible; we are living in a different world...
As far as I know, he had been a straight man, but he punished in a very cruel way (we know how) every single criminal, thiev...

sunny
Feb 26th, 2002, 07:56 AM
Nazis had cool uniforms? you must be a very cruel person.

anyway, your understanding of the situation in iraq is so shallow, I won't even bother.

A4
Feb 26th, 2002, 08:27 AM
Hey silvercharm. You bring up some interesting insights, never mind the attacks and snide comments.

I'll agree with the analysis on the situation in Iraq, in that, sanctions do not affect the regime at all, but ordinary women and kids. And yes, there have been loads of preventable deaths, due to the imposition of sanctions and the tyranical regime.

Also agree with Wolfowitz and Perle being typical arrogant and ignorant bloodthirsty morons.

Wouldn't agree though on blaming Mr. Clinton alone. More like the foreign policy in general. Needs to produce more effective results.

silvercharm
Feb 26th, 2002, 03:01 PM
A4--glad at least someone understands that governments are capable of vast evil, while pretending the State is nothing but a 'humantarian' enterprise...of course such is not all Billy's fault but he was the leader of the free world for 8 years and his appointees were the architects of the continued allied bombing and sanctions...Now with Bush W the situation may even get worse for the future...Article 54 of the Geneva Convention states: "It is prohibited to attack, destroy or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population" and includes foodstuffs, livestock and "drinking water supplies and irrigation works"....but the contuniuos allied bombing did attack the water supplies leading to untold health problems for the people. Now water-borne diseases in Iraq today are both endemic and epidemic--many thousands dying from polluted water...is this the world we want to live in? is this the world view of the radical extremist nutcakes who brought down the wonderful World Trade Towers? To hell with them all
:fiery:

Ted of Teds Tennis
Feb 26th, 2002, 03:07 PM
I don't like embargoes -- I oppose the embargo against Cuba and opposed the embargo against South Africa as well -- but I think we should all be honest that even if there were no embargo on Iraq, the average Iraqi citizen would still be living in misery brought about by the Iraqi government. (On a slightly related topic, people in Beirut, Cairo, Damascus, and Amman would still be living in misery even if there were no Jewish state in Israel.)

Most famines are caused not by a lack of food, but by the food not being distributed. Look at Ethiopia, where the Marxist government of the mid-80s decided to use Western food aid as a weapon in its war against Eritrean separatists by only giving food aid to people in the southern part of Ethiopia.

Only when we're honest about the fact that simply lifting the sanctions won't solve the problem of the misery of the Iraqi people can we begin to come up with a credible foreign policy.

--Ted

silvercharm
Feb 26th, 2002, 03:09 PM
that is correct...

Josh
Feb 26th, 2002, 03:24 PM
but I think we should all be honest that even if there were no embargo on Iraq, the average Iraqi citizen would still be living in misery brought about by the Iraqi government. (On a slightly related topic, people in Beirut, Cairo, Damascus, and Amman would still be living in misery even if there were no Jewish state in Israel.)

Actually Iraq was the wealthiest state in the Middle East before Saddam Hussein took control. So it's true to say that Saddam played a bigpart in the downfall of Iraqi economy and living standards but the embargoes only accelerated this process.

The creation of Israel also made hundreds of thousands of Palestians refugees. They fled Israel to neighbouring countries like Jordan, Syria, Egypt,... and especially in Jordan this caused many problems as the country could not provide in certain needs for those extra people.

Oizo
Feb 26th, 2002, 04:16 PM
:rolleyes: *cough* :rolleyes:

A4
Feb 26th, 2002, 07:05 PM
I understand Hussein is a tyrant and I'll personally like to have him out of the picture. But should a whole country be punished because its people has a tyrant for a leader? Should they be punished because America sees its leader as a threat? Should they be bombed because some a$$hole in Washington wants to appear "tough" and "hard"?

The current situation sucks bigtime. What should be addressed is how to effectively monitor Iraq to make sure it falls within international regulations, as opposed to bombing a whole group of people in order to satisfy some egos and help assuage America's thirst for revenge, in the name of "unfinished business".
Whether or not Iraq is/ was/ would have been poor, does not make things, as they stand now, right.