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SJW
May 8th, 2004, 07:49 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 07:51 PM
1) Seems both racist and sexist to me.

2) *pass*

*JR*
May 8th, 2004, 07:54 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)
1) Yes.

2) No.

3) I would call you a tramp, however! :devil:

Avid Merrion
May 8th, 2004, 08:00 PM
1. yes

2. n/a

:)

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:01 PM
I'm a racist so
1) yes
2) yes

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:02 PM
2. n/a

:)This is my reason too as I'm sure my post will be interpreted ambiguously. There are so many troublemakers as we all know.

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I'm a racist so
1) yes
2) yesMethinks you're also an attention seeker ! :tape:

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:05 PM
The only reason anyone would post a thread asking these questions is to cause friction

Avid Merrion
May 8th, 2004, 08:07 PM
The only reason anyone would post a thread asking these questions is to cause friction
um, i think she is asking to find answers.
looks like you were right about the troublemakers OUT! :tape:

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:09 PM
I'm not a troublemaker

Black Mamba.
May 8th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Yes

No--- Unless you want to get the crap kicked out of you.

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2004, 08:11 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))

I think so... why else would it be necessary to include "black" in there if it was not meant in a derrogatory manner?


2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)

I don't understand why anybody of any race would want to use that term, so there certainly isn't any excuse for a white person to be using it.

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:11 PM
The only reason anyone would post a thread asking these questions is to cause frictionI think that statement is more appropriate to your contribution. But I don't want to get into a polemical discussion about race, so I'll say each to their own opinion. I've got my fingers burnt too often in the past.

tfannis
May 8th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Oh my lol...I hardly ever speak English in real life so I would never say ****** and I never heard somebody being called a 'black bitch' either (I do think it's racist though. Bitch is referring to a person. Black bitch is referring to black) but two nights ago I ordered a 'black bitch' at a coctail party. It was delicious :drool: :o Coke, rhum and lemonjuice ;)

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:14 PM
um, i think she is asking to find answers.
looks like you were right about the troublemakers OUT! :tape::lol: And more will come.

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:17 PM
Would it be better if I lied?

DunkMachine
May 8th, 2004, 08:23 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)
Watching real world huh?

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I agree totally with that last comment by prr_rrp

DunkMachine
May 8th, 2004, 08:29 PM
Oops to aswer the question: No

SJW
May 8th, 2004, 08:32 PM
:rolleyes: @ emptyhead

ok i'll share my reasons for asking:

1) my white friend (really good friend) and her on/off boyfriend are always arguing. now he had a black girlfriend before her, and while my friend and him were "off" she was around his house and found a pic of them all dressed up in a bar holding hands and smiling. now this picture was taken while my friend and him were "on" (it was at his friends wedding). she became the jealous girlfriend and started screwin', saying "fucking bitch" when describing her. then "black bitch" flew out of her mouth, and her guy is really anti racist, so had a go at her. she said to me she didn't mean anything by it, and naturally said "well you're my friend, so how can i be a racist?" while i love this girl, i was :rolleyes: now i was surrounded by loads of white people, all eyes on me, so i couldn't start screwin' at her. so i was like "yea yea i understand".

2) while walking home with about 8 ppl from the pub last night, this black guy and girl were having an argument on the other side of the street. now we were really cautious, cuz the last time this happened my friend got involved and got put in hospital. anyway the black guy saw us looking and said to some of the people walking in front "stop staring before i come over there and sort you out" etc etc etc. this guy i know was like "who's that", cuz we knew the girl (incidently, this was the girl who wouldn't give me her friend's name who beat up my friend :) this guy from up north, my friend's girlfriend's brother, replied "i don't know, some loud ******" and then realised his error and said "only joking". now last night i was drunk, so didn't think too much about it, but i am sooooooo mad right now. if i saw him i would kick his ass. i just don't understand why people think it's alright to say that, especially around black people :(

i know it's confusing, but i hope you get what i mean. :)

SJW
May 8th, 2004, 08:34 PM
If you had real friends you wouldn't need to post such silly questions on a MB. Get out a bit you BB :tape:
it's taking all the power within me to stay calm right now :) BB? right :)

SJW
May 8th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I agree totally with that last comment by prr_rrp
your sig explains it all

prr_rrp
May 8th, 2004, 08:35 PM
:rolleyes: @ emptyhead

ok i'll share my reasons for asking:




Spare us the BS stories plz :rolleyes:

SJW
May 8th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Spare us the BS stories plz :rolleyes:
request denied

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:37 PM
See them White people have nothin to do with them

Lord Chips
May 8th, 2004, 08:39 PM
1 - Yes
2- No not at all

Dava
May 8th, 2004, 08:41 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)
YES calling someone a black bitch is rasict, no matter how PC calling them black is. Your not just calling them a bitch, your trying to attach somehthign about being black to being a bitch, therefore using a persons race to be an insult to them (does that make sense)

I dont like using the word ****** myself, I think its a nasty word. I would never say it to anyone, and I dont really like using it, even when I have had to (say when giving talks about taboo language or the Color Purple in english). I dont really like how black people have turned it around and call each other ******, cos to me thats almost self hate, even though I know its not how its used. I dont know Ive just been taught not to like the use of that word. I mean I bought a Missy Elliot album when i was 14 and iddnt like the way she used it all the time. It upset me, obvisuoy Ive grown used to it now...

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:44 PM
lol She's making all this up
She has NO friends that's why she's posting on this board

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:47 PM
your sig explains it allI think emptyhead fully appreciates that his/her comments will provoke a negative reaction, hence, that's why he/she submits lame posts.

Getting back to your experiences, it only serves validate that first comment about "black bitch" even more. This white girl was bitter, hurt, angry and lashed aout at what she perceived to be the most "negative" aspect about this other person, which is her race.

Because I am dual heritage, many of my white friends say things like "you're not black black are you?" :rolleyes: The most horrific statement ever was when I was in a nightclub and this guy came up to me (I liked him before he opened his mouth :lick: ) and said " I don't usually like dark people but you look more like us [meaning whites]". The funny thing was he thought it was a compliment :tape: Needless to say no one-night stand that evening.

SJW I''ll come back to the second one later. Making a cuppa!

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 08:52 PM
I dont really like how black people have turned it around and call each other ******, cos to me thats almost self hate, even though I know its not how its used.Hi Dava! :wavey: :kiss:

Yes I hate the use of this word by black artists as well. I don't buy this argument that it is self-empowering for black people either. Sinitta would never sink so low, lol.

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 08:54 PM
There's nothing wrong with my posts, well sometimes theyre okay

I cannot recall ever receiving a negative reaction to any posts that I made.

SJW, do you make up names for these friends?

saki
May 8th, 2004, 08:58 PM
1. Yes, mostly, although I can see how your friend could say it while angry and not really mean it.

2. Probably not. I don't have any black friends but I will sometimes refer to my lesbian friends as "dykes" in an affectionate way. So I guess I might do the same with "******" although I'd probably steer away from it as too politically charged.

emptyhead
May 8th, 2004, 09:02 PM
Seriuosly though, SJW asked two questions, I gave two honest answers

I'm a racist, hate me

I thought it was better to admit being a racist than to deny it thats whats wrong, too many people deny it

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 09:08 PM
I cannot recall ever receiving a negative reaction to any posts that I made.Really? To begin, do you want me to point out the unfavourable reactions in this thread alone?

Flappie
May 8th, 2004, 09:23 PM
1)yes
2)no

decemberlove
May 8th, 2004, 09:29 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)

1. i dunno about racist . it certainly doesnt imply that shes a closet racist . i just think that identifying people by their appearance is the first thing one does when one is upset . esp when you dont look like that person . its just so ingrained into our society
like ive called fat white girls "fat white ****s" and skinny black girls "skinny black bitches" etc and i dont consider myself racist in the slightest . i think everyone in their own way has preconceived notions about things theyve never experienced . and when youre mad they can come to the surface . that doesnt mean they have racist feelings thou

am i making any sense? im still hungover

2. no, never . i dont even feel comfortable saying the word

*abby*
May 8th, 2004, 10:04 PM
1) i think it is as I would be and have been very offended in the past when it has been directed at me
2)if it is used in a jokey manner and the ppl round know u r joking then it is ok....im coloured myself and at work i always say wassup my ****** to my asian mates and occasionally my white mates too hmmmmmmmmm make of that wot u will haha

JustineTime
May 8th, 2004, 10:34 PM
something happened last night and i wanna get as many peoples' views on it as possible

1) is the term "black bitch" racist? (no, it wasn't said to me :))
2) if you're white, would you use the slur "n!gger" around black people, or at all? (no, this wasn't said about to me either)

thanks :)
1) Gotta allow for speaker, subject, and context. :shrug: Wouldn't use it myself.

2) Not anymore, but did as a young man, until I realized that it's a dig and hurtful no matter how good a face black people present might put on. They knew I wasn't racist, but that word has no positive or innocuous application, IMO.

And I know, Sweets: you weren't asking for MY opinion! ;)

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 10:36 PM
im coloured myself and at work i always say wassup my ****** to my asian mates and occasionally my white mates too hmmmmmmmmm make of that wot u will hahaFine if your workmates find that okay. But all it would take is for one person to take offence to that remark and all sorts of disciplinary action could ensue. I personally would bring that remark up with my line-manager and submit a formal complaint. But that's me.

My personal experience was that somebody called me half-caste at work and disciplinary action was taken, culminating in that person writing an apology as I did not want to take it further. BTW when did the term "coloured" become "in vogue" again? :)

*abby*
May 8th, 2004, 10:44 PM
haha i jst prefer it to black
btw so u no im 17 and work on saturdays in a bakery with ppl of similar age who really arent bothered they jst laugh and honestly dont mid they say it back sumtimes we jst doint care
believe once i go to unii and into the workin world the wassup my ****** will stop

OUT!
May 8th, 2004, 10:51 PM
haha i jst prefer it to black
btw so u no im 17 and work on saturdays in a bakery with ppl of similar age who really arent bothered they jst laugh and honestly dont mid they say it back sumtimes we jst doint care
believe once i go to unii and into the workin world the wassup my ****** will stopWell I'm pretty sure that I am not in the minority by saying I would prefer to be called black than a ******, even though I am not strictly speaking "black", rather, dual heritage. I'm taking a wild guess here, but I think I'm right.

Like I said, it is probably good fortune that nobody in the bakery has taken offence thus far, but it just takes one person...

Good luck at uni! :)

*abby*
May 8th, 2004, 10:54 PM
thankyou:kiss:

SJW
May 8th, 2004, 11:20 PM
1) Gotta allow for speaker, subject, and context. :shrug: Wouldn't use it myself.

2) Not anymore, but did as a young man, until I realized that it's a dig and hurtful no matter how good a face black people present might put on. They knew I wasn't racist, but that word has no positive or innocuous application, IMO.

And I know, Sweets: you weren't asking for MY opinion! ;)
regarding non tennis, your opinion is always more than welcome still Mr No Name :p

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2004, 11:39 PM
Because I am dual heritage, many of my white friends say things like "you're not black black are you?" :rolleyes:

My God. People are stupid!

The most horrific statement ever was when I was in a nightclub and this guy came up to me (I liked him before he opened his mouth :lick: ) and said " I don't usually like dark people but you look more like us [meaning whites]". The funny thing was he thought it was a compliment :tape: Needless to say no one-night stand that evening.

Again - people are stupid!

Ugh. I'd like to move to another planet where there are less people ;)

*JR*
May 8th, 2004, 11:55 PM
regarding non tennis, your opinion is always more than welcome still Mr No Name :p
The longest running flirtation in cyber-history continues.... :p

Avid Merrion
May 9th, 2004, 12:50 AM
If you had real friends you wouldn't need to post such silly questions on a MB. Get out a bit you BB :tape:

I agree totally with that last comment by prr_rrp
unlike you who doesn't need to go out, because you talk to yourself prr_emptyhead_rrp :wavey:

Colin B
May 9th, 2004, 01:32 AM
:rolleyes: @ emptyhead

ok i'll share my reasons for asking:

1)she became the jealous girlfriend and started screwin', saying "fucking bitch" when describing her. then "black bitch" flew out of her mouth,

2)"i don't know, some loud ******"


1) In the first case, I don't think this is worth losing a friend over. As you said, it "flew out of her mouth" in jealous anger. She could (in different circumstances) have said, "fat bitch", "lanky bitch" or "ginger bitch" but it wouldn't mean she harboured a hatred towards obese, tall, or red haired women.

2) No, that word is definitely taboo for white people, although it need not neccessarily mean that your friend's girlfriend's brother from up north is a racist and you should certainly not see it as a personal attack on you.


:)

~ The Leopard ~
May 9th, 2004, 10:26 AM
1. Yes.
2. No.

skanky~skanketta
May 9th, 2004, 12:46 PM
well, a bitch is a bitch. so when u say black bitch, there obviously a negative racial connotation to it.

i have black friends, and no i dont call them ******s.

i do call the chinese chinkos however. and the muslims in my country natexes. and they call the indians "keling". among friends its ok, but if someone else does it, there's trouble.

emptyhead
May 9th, 2004, 05:09 PM
prr_rrp in my humble opinion is a very informative poster, it's a pity the aren't more like prr_rrp on this board

Crazy Canuck said - Ugh. I'd like to move to another planet where there are less people
lol what like UrANUS, I always knew she sounded very Roswell incident

OUT! Do share

SJW is that it? Any other tales of the unexpected

upperkut
May 9th, 2004, 05:24 PM
1) In the first case, I don't think this is worth losing a friend over. As you said, it "flew out of her mouth" in jealous anger. She could (in different circumstances) have said, "fat bitch", "lanky bitch" or "ginger bitch" but it wouldn't mean she harboured a hatred towards obese, tall, or red haired women.


:)

that pretty much sums it up for me... she's your best friend, you're the one kho knows her the best, if this incident makes you doubt about her true feelings and friendship, maybe you shouldn't be friends with her in the first place... but keep in mind that everybody, and I mean absolutely everyone, says or does something he/she regrets later on... true friends know how to forgive your little mistakes and ultimately it's your call to do...

Harju.
May 9th, 2004, 05:26 PM
My God. People are stupid!



Again - people are stupid!

Ugh. I'd like to move to another planet where there are less people ;)
:D Hey great mind thinks alike.. Tell me when you are moving :wavey:

Knizzle
May 9th, 2004, 05:29 PM
now i was surrounded by loads of white people, all eyes on me, so i couldn't start screwin' at her. so i was like "yea yea i understand".
:eek:

Kart
May 10th, 2004, 09:11 AM
1. No. I can understand why people see it as that but it's just descriptive IMHO. Still, if lots of people think it's racist I probably wouldn't use the term.

2. I'm not white but I would absolutely never use that word around anyone - black or white.

Ballbuster
May 10th, 2004, 01:27 PM
This thread is disturbing.

Using words of this sort = and automatic STOMPING! Largely, used by cowards who can hide out.

emptyhead
May 10th, 2004, 01:47 PM
This is an excellent thread

DunkMachine
May 10th, 2004, 02:16 PM
This thread is disturbing.

Using words of this sort = and automatic STOMPING! Largely, used by cowards who can hide out.Indeed, I wish a maf*$^ker would say that shit to my face.

Sean
May 10th, 2004, 11:04 PM
Bitch will suffice no need to bring colour into it

As for calling people ******s I must say Ive called it my mates in a jokey way in the past Im a listener of alot of rap music as are they, and i say it like wassup my nigga. and then i'd get back wassup my Wigger and we'd just laugh about it. I wouldnt say it to anyone but my close friends though.

esquímaux
May 10th, 2004, 11:10 PM
My God. People are stupid!



Again - people are stupid!

Ugh. I'd like to move to another planet where there are less people ;)
Stupid indeed :eek: :haha:

Ari
May 11th, 2004, 04:52 AM
"lol She's making all this up
She has NO friends that's why she's posting on this board"-emptyhead-

Eventhough your comments are incredibly rude and obnoxious, I find them somewhat amusing and look forward to your posts.

Volcana
May 11th, 2004, 05:26 AM
I don't use either of those terms. TO answer your questions

a) yes

b) I wouldn't recommend this if you want positive relations with the Black people in question.

*JR*
May 11th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Bitch will suffice no need to bring colour into it

As for calling people ******s I must say Ive called it my mates in a jokey way in the past Im a listener of alot of rap music as are they, and i say it like wassup my nigga. and then i'd get back wassup my Wigger and we'd just laugh about it. I wouldnt say it to anyone but my close friends though.
There's a huge difference between the way ppl into Hip Hop culture use the "words" Nigga, Niggah, Niggaz, etc. and the way racists use "******". (Which doesn't excuse any of the bad stuff about gangsta rap, of course).

SJW
May 11th, 2004, 11:45 AM
i got a Rocawear hoodie on right now :lol:

*JR*
May 11th, 2004, 12:07 PM
i can almost see you struttin' down the street in your rocawear, roger. :lol:
No, I have a porkpie hat from Run DMC! :p