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paul_masterton
May 5th, 2004, 07:53 PM
New system is totally weird and i don't get it, so i'm not even gonna bother explaining it, lol. but here's who i think will get them:

Main Draw:

Anne Keothavong
Jane O'Donoghue
Amanda Janes
Elena Baltacha
Emily Webley-Smith
Melanie South
Karen Paterson/Sarah Borwell/Hannah Collin
Alexandra Stevenson :rolleyes:

Qualifying:

Karen/Sarah/Hannah
Karen/Sarah/Hannah
Christelle Grier
Anna Hawkins
Katie O'Brien
Rebecca Llewellyn
Jade Curtis
Claire Peterzan

of course some depend on results of play-offs/pre-qualies but i think those will get them. might be a few more foreigners in there, but i hope not :p

TheBoiledEgg
May 5th, 2004, 09:24 PM
Emily and Mel :D :) are good bets now that Julie and Lucie are no more.
Amanda Janes def will get one.
Anne K and Bally too
Jane should get one.

I dont think Alex will get one, not this yr.


What was the rule again, you have to be top 250 or something :o
and/or u cant get more than 3 maindraw WC's ???? i forgot :o

Farina Elia Fan
May 5th, 2004, 09:48 PM
I think Jade Curtis should get a maindraw wildcard!

Pdm1987
May 5th, 2004, 10:10 PM
My choices;

Maindraw

Anne Keothavong
Elena Baltacha
Amanda Janes
Jane O'Donoghue
Melanie South
Emily Webley-Smith
Sarah Borwell
Hannah Collin

Qualifying

Karen Paterson
Katie O'Brien
Rebecca Dandeniya
Cristelle Grier
Holly Bagshaw
Claire Peterzan
Rebecca Llewellyn
Katherine Baker

Grachka
May 5th, 2004, 11:04 PM
I think it will be:

MD:
*Anne Keothavong
*Elena Baltacha
*Jane O'Donoghue
*Amanda Janes
*Emily Webley-Smith
*Karen Paterson
*Sarah Borwell/Melanie South
*One non-Brit (perhaps Navratilova if she plays/or some brilliant 15 year old)

Qualifying
*Either South/Borwell who didn't get MD wildcard
*Hannah Collin
*Rebecca Dandeniya
*Anna Hawkins
*Cristelle Grier
*Rebecca Llewellyn
*Claire Peterzan
*Hannah Grady

WIMBY
May 5th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Main
Anne
Jane
Amanda
Elena
Melanie

6th place may go to the winner of the pre qualifying tournament

7th and 8th may go to foreigners

Qualifying

Runner up and the two losing semi finalists in the pre qualifying
Emily
Sarah
Hannah
Katie
Karen
if they do not earn a wild card from the pre qualifying

Jade cannot enter grand slams until she is 16

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

njguido11
May 6th, 2004, 12:09 AM
will borwell and patterson def get wildcards into at least qualies. didnt paterson get screwed over last year

jonny84
May 6th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Maindraw:
Keothavong; Baltacha; O'Donaghue, Janes and Borwell
and
Majoli, Seles and Stevenson

paul_masterton
May 6th, 2004, 01:57 PM
several players got screwed over last year, as always. namely helen, lol.

karen will probably get screwed over this year coz she's with gbtennisgirls squad, not the lta. emily as well after she had a big fall out with the lta a couple of years ago.

but they are both top 8, so not really any excuses not to give them one

Palicot
May 6th, 2004, 11:56 PM
Here's the article on Wildcards.

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/pressreleases/2003/2003_ltawildcards_12_12_2003.html

The Lawn Tennis Association have announced that the allocation process for wildcard entry into the 2004 Wimbledon Championships will be tightened in a review of the play-off system introduced in 2003.

In agreement with the All England Club, the wildcard playoffs and pre-qualifying will be amalgamated into one event to be played from Wednesday to Friday during the first week of June.

Additionally, only men in the world’s top 300 and women in the top 250 will be eligible for nomination for a main draw wildcard, unless under the age of 20 for men and 19 for women.

The men’s and women’s events will be played out over three days with the winners guaranteed a main draw wildcard.

It has also been announced that no player will receive any more than three direct wild cards, unless ranked in the world’s top 150, or returning from serious injury in the past year.

The LTA Performance Director David Felgate said:

“We are determined to improve the standards of performance tennis in this country further and these changes to the wildcard system are designed to ensure that the bar continues to be raised. Wimbledon wildcards are not a right, they have to be earned, and those players who step out onto the Wimbledon courts next summer will know that they deserve to be playing in a Grand Slam.”

Players who receive a wildcard direct will be notified after the wildcard meeting to be held on 7 June 2004. All other British players will be eligible to play in the play offs to win a wildcard for Main Draw or Qualifying.

Other wildcards will be allocated by the All England Club for Main Draw and Qualifying thereafter.

Yak
May 7th, 2004, 12:35 AM
I think Kournikova will come back here so I think she'll get a WC!

njguido11
May 7th, 2004, 12:38 AM
hopefully carly into qualifying again. maybe usta will pay the lta off for that one.

paul_masterton
May 7th, 2004, 07:02 PM
they should jsut go abck to the old way. play pre-qualifying right through to the end, and the winner gets a main draw wildcard.

this way is jsut 2 confusing. simply do it on performance, i don't understand why that's so hard? Fir enoughf ro qualies havea play-off, but not for main draw, that's cruel as someone could have a bad day, or a slight fever.

ozfan44
May 8th, 2004, 02:48 AM
give one to casey dellacqua! or sophie ferguson!

Gus
May 8th, 2004, 01:37 PM
I'M sorry but Brits should not have so man WC... I mean most of them, (except Anne, perhaps Elena) simply don't have the level to compete...
Please give Bulgaraian girls (Sesil), Russian girls (Anna C, Maria K, Alysa K...) - who don't have a GS in their country - the chance to make Wimby a little more interesting in the first rounds.

paul_masterton
May 8th, 2004, 01:56 PM
british players, despite the fact they mainly loose, attract full stands everytime, even for mixed doubles.

no brits would care about maria v alysa, beacuse for most of the people who go to wimbledon, tennis only lasts 2 weeks a year, so don't have a clue who they are.
and anyway, its a british event, so wc's should be given to brits, simple.

Farina Elia Fan
May 8th, 2004, 02:06 PM
british players, despite the fact they mainly loose, attract full stands everytime, even for mixed doubles.

no brits would care about maria v alysa, beacuse for most of the people who go to wimbledon, tennis only lasts 2 weeks a year, so don't have a clue who they are.
and anyway, its a british event, so wc's should be given to brits, simple.


I agree 100%

paul_masterton
May 8th, 2004, 06:52 PM
and in case ur wondering, i dont think the us should give to any1 but us, and french to any1 but french.

i can understand oz's asian wildcard though, but i think oz give 2 many away to foreign players

WIMBY
May 8th, 2004, 10:31 PM
british players, despite the fact they mainly loose, attract full stands everytime, even for mixed doubles.

no brits would care about maria v alysa, beacuse for most of the people who go to wimbledon, tennis only lasts 2 weeks a year, so don't have a clue who they are.
and anyway, its a british event, so wc's should be given to brits, simple.


Spot on!! Totally agree with your points. :wavey:

jimbo mack
May 8th, 2004, 11:20 PM
i'm hoping lucic might get one ~ relive her '99' run!

Nikola
May 9th, 2004, 08:10 PM
..

njguido11
May 11th, 2004, 02:28 AM
i heard carly gullicson got a main draw one

paul_masterton
May 11th, 2004, 02:42 AM
wot? if she did that's a joke, she has done very little this year. last year lta didn't get one in return, hope they aren't stupid enough to think this year will be any different :rolleyes:

crusoe
May 11th, 2004, 11:10 AM
Kirsten Flipkens is guaranteed one for Qualifying, if she doesn't get in directly, as reigning Junior Wimbledon champion.

The point you make about performance : it is based on performance. Get into the top 250 and you play Main Draw. otherwise you go into pre-qualies, which I believe will serve for both qualifying and Main Draw wildcards. At least the players have known what the criteria are this year, which was their main gripe before. I'm sure that the process isn't perfect and will need some refining but it's a start.

Don't forget that the LTA only have six of the wildcards, I believe, the other two belong to the All England Club

Grachka
May 11th, 2004, 03:46 PM
i heard carly gullicson got a main draw one

I didn't think the wildcard meeting had even taken place yet :confused:

Gus
May 11th, 2004, 04:43 PM
british players, despite the fact they mainly loose, attract full stands everytime, even for mixed doubles.
and anyway, its a british event, so wc's should be given to brits, simple.

But this is quite unfair, for there is no Russian or Bulgarian event of that standard... I believe a GS is not only a country event, but just a tennis event - where the highest level of tennis should be shown...

grmbl
May 11th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Michaella Krajicek!! ;)

CoryAnnAvants#1
May 11th, 2004, 06:31 PM
I think that's fair. A lot of the women who get main draw WC's at Wimbledon couldn't even get into the qualifying on their own ranking. If they don't get one for the main draw, tough. They should be grateful they even get one for the qualifying. I think it's good they're trying to avoid a Julie Pullin case, where she gets wild cards for almost ten years straight and never wins a match. :rolleyes:

It'll probably look like this

Main Draw

Keovathang
Janes
Baltacha
O'Donoghue
South
Paterson
Borwell
Navratilova (I guarantee she asks for one)

Qualies

2 Pre qualifying ones
Kristin Flipkens (from winning Junior Wimby last year)
Hannah Collin
Crook
O'Brien
Webley Smith
Grier

paul_masterton
May 11th, 2004, 06:36 PM
lol, how funny would it be if helen comes through pre-qualies. that would make my year!!

every year she had to play that stupid event despite being #6 or #7 in the country, and always had to miss out on b'ham or e'bourne as a result.

it made no sense, as she was a class above most of the other girsl playing there (and to be honest still is) and would cruise through the 3 round no problem.

but then the LTA don't tend to learn from their mistakes.

Grier will get one, partially due to her good from in the states, and partially due to "daddy"

i reckon if karen can get above sarah by surbiton, she's got a good shot of getting picked above her if it comes down to it. i think emily will get a main draw one.

njguido11
May 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM
grier deserves it not just because of her daddy. won a round in qualies last year even if it was over a brit and than lost in 3, top 5 collegiete ranking which is alot harder than the tournaments over in britain. just being honest dont like when people try to take away from peoples accomplishments just because of who their parents are. Dont forget carly in the main draw

paul_masterton
May 11th, 2004, 08:10 PM
i knwo christelle is being amazing in the states, but i mean that if the lta for whatever reason maybe didn't want to give her one, they would probably end up having to.

she should of won her match last year but got bad cramps :sad:

and why si carly geting one, her ranking hasn't improved at all in teh past year much?

Grachka
May 11th, 2004, 09:44 PM
But this is quite unfair, for there is no Russian or Bulgarian event of that standard... I believe a GS is not only a country event, but just a tennis event - where the highest level of tennis should be shown...

I guarantee that if the tables were turned, that a Russian or Bulgarian event would not give a wildcard to a deserving Brit. The fact it, the authorities spend a lot of money setting up and running Wimbledon and they should be able to give the opportunity to see the fruits of their labour, so to speak.

If Sesil and the like find it harder to get wildcards, then it is just hard luck. I agree with Paul, Brits should get the wildcards for a British event. People don't want to see Sesil Karatancheva as much as they want to see Anne Keothavong.

njguido11
May 11th, 2004, 09:48 PM
i know im on here talking about carly getting one. but im just messing around, of course i wouldnt mind it. if it was me and i was in charge id give every single one 2 brits theres nothing wrong with that at all. If you dont have a grandslam 2 bad the brits wanna help out their people. decent amount of money is given even for 1st round losses that can help struggling players

Farina Elia Fan
May 11th, 2004, 09:54 PM
People don't want to see Sesil Karatancheva as much as they want to see Anne Keothavong.


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paul_masterton
May 11th, 2004, 10:13 PM
and even if they losoe in r1, that money can pay for a WHOLE year on the tour. gb players find it tough to get sponsors as tennis is only the FOURTEENTH most popular sport for girls in the UK.

players like sesil are rolling in endorsements already, give these girls a break....

Gus
May 14th, 2004, 04:55 PM
I guarantee that if the tables were turned, that a Russian or Bulgarian event would not give a wildcard to a deserving Brit. The fact it, the authorities spend a lot of money setting up and running Wimbledon and they should be able to give the opportunity to see the fruits of their labour, so to speak.

If Sesil and the like find it harder to get wildcards, then it is just hard luck. I agree with Paul, Brits should get the wildcards for a British event. People don't want to see Sesil Karatancheva as much as they want to see Anne Keothavong.


BUT HELLOOO YOU GUYS !
THERE IS NO DESERVING BRIT ! :devil:

danra
May 19th, 2004, 02:55 PM
I'd have to say that I only see Amanda or Elena winning a main draw match, Anne too perhaps if she got a good draw. I could see Amanda doing what Bally did in 2002 and stringing a couple of good wins, like she did at Eastbourne last year - that'd be fantastic!

njguido11
May 19th, 2004, 06:03 PM
When is that wildcard playoff thing happening.

paul_masterton
May 19th, 2004, 06:26 PM
i believe it's the 7/8/9 June

rfs1999
May 19th, 2004, 10:29 PM
Save one for Monica!

broncosven
May 19th, 2004, 10:31 PM
Just wondering in the past there has been an agreement with Tennis Australia and London Tennis Association

is that still working this year or not ???

by the way it doesnt matter what the ranking or performance on the day . . .the brit girls have earned the right to represent there country in one (if not the) greatest and most well renowed event in world tennis

best of Luck and hopefully like Elena B a few years ago they can win a couple matches and progress into the draw

njguido11
May 20th, 2004, 05:43 PM
so glad carly is getting one

crusoe
May 20th, 2004, 06:27 PM
Just wondering in the past there has been an agreement with Tennis Australia and London Tennis Association

is that still working this year or not ???


No, it was a one-year agreement that wasn't extended.

Play-offs are 9-11 at Raynes Park, winner is guaranteed a Main Draw WC

paul_masterton
May 20th, 2004, 06:50 PM
i'd imagine play-off will be held on the 9th, with pre-qualies on the 10th and 11th

that way the play-off losers can try to at least make the qualies

id imagine the 4 for play-off will be:

Melanie South
Emily Webley-Smith
Karen Paterson/Sarah Borwell/Katie O'Brien

hopefully Karen will get a chance, but as she sucks against brits im not holding my breath!

Grachka
May 21st, 2004, 09:54 AM
I think you a right paul, but I am hoping a couple will get main draw wildcards? :confused: Karen, Sarah and Emily are all competing in the top 8 so in theory should get one.

Karen has lost to Mel South a couple of times (but not on grass) so I fear for her chances :scared:

crusoe
May 21st, 2004, 01:45 PM
[QUOTE=paul_masterton]i'd imagine play-off will be held on the 9th, with pre-qualies on the 10th and 11th

It is one event with a 24-player draw. 1st two rounds on Weds, QFs and SF on Thurs and Final and 3rd and 4th play-off on Fri.

Winner is guaranteed MD WC , with possibly a second going to runner-up, as only four ( Anne, Jane, Elena and Amanda) look like they are going to meet the criteria..Then assume that the losing SF and QF get qualy wildcards

TennisPO
May 22nd, 2004, 06:50 PM
I think we should be hearing about Martina asking for wildcards pretty soon. If she wants to play on clay, what's stopping her from playing on grass, plus LTA is running out of people to give wildcards to.

paul_masterton
May 22nd, 2004, 07:01 PM
pre-qualies were 24 player last year, but i dont think there were any byes as only 3wc's were given so was 3 sections of 8.

by the sounds of this, there must be 8 byes.

I'm guessing 2 finalists will end up in main draw, making 6 Brits. Then the other 2 wil be as AELTC's discretion to sue for matina/alexandra :rolleyes: or another foreigner or couple of brits who played badly or got a bad draw.

I'm a bit worried a bit of a random brit might have a really good week, end up in the MD and be totally out of her depth and get pummeled. I doubt any of the girsl (eg Neri, Dandeniya, Berry) would get through the event, but you never know

jack duckworth
May 22nd, 2004, 08:01 PM
sarza?:)

tjord00
Jun 5th, 2004, 08:35 AM
Maybe a Brit will win a round this year???

Chunchun
Jun 5th, 2004, 10:20 AM
wiil it be Sesil or Kournikova?

Grachka
Jun 6th, 2004, 12:59 PM
OK, can I ask for clarification for the wildcard situation?

Anne, Jane and Amanda are all ranked high enough to receive a main draw WC as they are in the top 250? and Elena will get one because of her injury.

The remaining four is where I am confused. This pre-qualies thing will determine one of them, but what about the other three? I presume as Karen/Sarah/Helen/Emily haven't received three they should be able to get one automatically, but people seem to think that they will have to go to pre-qualies. If they do, are the other three just going to to go foreigners? (like Karatancheva/Golovin bla bla :rolleyes: )

paul_masterton
Jun 6th, 2004, 01:04 PM
winner of pre-qualies gets one

that would take us to 5

lta can giev out one other, most likely to pre-qualies runner-up

final 2 are awarded at AELTC's discretion, but LTA can submit names in preference order of british girls

paul_masterton
Jun 7th, 2004, 09:05 PM
LTA awarded them to:

Elena
Anne
Jane
Amanda

one of AELTC's went to Patty

so in theory LTA have 2 more (play-off winner and most likely melanie or emily if the dont win) and AELTC one more (for Nav?)

but i guess AELTC could overrule LTA's 6th one and give it to another foreigner...or Alex

Freija
Jun 8th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Will Flipkens get a WC cuz she won the juniors last year...?

Grachka
Jun 8th, 2004, 12:31 PM
I think Flipkens is entitled to a WC into the qualies.

Xian
Jun 8th, 2004, 05:29 PM
I would say the Main Draw WC should go to

Anne Koathavong
Jane O´Donoghue
Amanda Janes
Elena Baltacha and one more Brit like Collin/Borwell or South

all other british players dont have a chance to win a main draw match :tape:

other WC´s for Navratilova/Lucic and some young players like Karatancheva/Krajicek/Flipkens or Kleybanova

Quali
who cares. A certain Ms Grier gets a Quali WC every time even if she plays sh**. Karen Paterson ? what has she achieved yet?
Baker/Llewellyn/O´Brien/Webley-Smith who cant´even win matches on Challenger level :confused: :confused:

paul_masterton
Jun 8th, 2004, 06:17 PM
Xian, Emily jsut won 2 matches at surbiton over much higher ranked players :rolleyes:

doubles wc's to:

Janes/Baltacha
Keothavong/Collin
Webley-Smith/Borwell

WTF at the last one :eek: Sarah hasn't had a good year at all, but the two did win a good few matches together out in Mexico

Helen and Anna, GB #1 and #2, who reached the second round last year beating Schett/Schnyder have been given diddly-squat.

LTA must really want Helen to quit, coz if she doesn't get in she will drop out of top 300 doubles :eek: and no way she will keep going.

paul_masterton
Jun 8th, 2004, 06:19 PM
and Karen imporved her ranking by 400 spots last year, and had rather nice wins over Sophie Lefevre and Petra Russeger to name jsut 2 ;)

Pdm1987
Jun 8th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I am liking the doubles wildcards - it's like at British Challenger event ;)

Hope Anna & Helen get the last one they deserve it!

Xian
Jun 11th, 2004, 12:27 PM
and Karen imporved her ranking by 400 spots last year, and had rather nice wins over Sophie Lefevre and Petra Russeger to name jsut 2 ;)
and lost 57 06 to Coombs in pre qualies

paul_masterton
Jun 11th, 2004, 07:29 PM
she lsot to fritche, which is ever worse, lol

but she hardly ever beats other brits, which is a bit of a probelm in these sorts of events. guess its a psychological thing, lucie ahl always struggeld against other brits too

Doublebackhand
Jun 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM
well martina is confirmed as a wildcard. lets hope she win one more match in wimbledon.