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Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 05:13 AM
Controversy Rages as TV Show Lists U.S. War Dead

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Veteran U.S. journalist Ted Koppel devoted his "Nightline" program Friday to broadcasting the names and photographs of 721 American soldiers killed in Iraq (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Iraq%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?cs=nw&p=Iraq)), sparking outrage from conservatives who called it anti-war propaganda.



But Koppel said the ABC show, extended to 40 minutes from its normal half-hour to accommodate all the names, was a politically neutral way of honoring those who had died.



"Our goal tonight was to elevate the fallen above the politics and the daily journalism," he said at the end of the program. "The reading of those 721 names was neither intended to provoke opposition to the war nor as an endorsement."



Koppel said he was not opposed to the war in Iraq, launched in March 2003 to oust Saddam Hussein (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Saddam%20Hussein%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?cs=nw&p=Saddam%20Hussein)).



"I am opposed to sustaining the illusion that war can be waged by the sacrifice of a few without burdening the rest of us in any way. I oppose the notion that to be at war is to forfeit the right to question, criticize or debate our leaders' policies," he said.



The show was broadcast on the eve of the anniversary of Bush's May 1, 2003, "mission accomplished" declaration from the deck of an aircraft carrier that major combat in Iraq was over.



Since then a guerrilla war waged by a range of anti-U.S. groups has intensified and 134 Americans were killed in April alone -- the bloodiest month for U.S. forces since the war began.



The program was inspired by a June 1969 edition of Life magazine that carried the names and pictures of all the American soldiers killed in a single week in the Vietnam War.



That issue of the magazine was credited with fueling public sentiment against the war in Vietnam and conservative commentators accused Koppel of trying to encourage similar opposition to the war in Iraq.



BARRED FROM THE AIRWAVES



A media company whose executives have been strong supporters of President Bush (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22President%20Bush%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search/search?p=George+W.+Bush)), Maryland-based Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc., barred its ABC-affiliated stations from airing the "Nightline" broadcast, calling it a political statement that failed to give all sides of the story.



Sen. John McCain (news (http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Sen.%20John%20McCain%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw), bio (http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/bio/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=192), voting record (http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/voting/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=192)), an Arizona Republican and Vietnam veteran, condemned Sinclair's decision "to deny your viewers an opportunity to be reminded of war's terrible costs." He called it a "gross disservice to the public" and the U.S. armed forces.



"It is in short, sir, unpatriotic," McCain said.



Sinclair company president David Smith responded that ABC "has adopted a strategy employed by numerous anti-war demonstrators who wish to focus attention solely on the cost of war." He said Sinclair stations would replace "Nightline" with "a balanced report addressing both sides of this controversy."



Koppel rejected Sinclair's criticism. "We do context every day. Today was just one program when we decided we would honor the dead. Period," he told Reuters in a telephone interview.



ABC News said it would make a special feed of its tribute available to radio and television stations in markets where the program was preempted by the Sinclair Broadcast chain.



A poll by The New York Times and CBS News reported this week that American support for the war in Iraq had eroded substantially in recent weeks and Americans were increasingly critical of how Bush is handling the conflict.







A spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars group, Jerry Newberry, told ABC News he approved of the "Nightline" broadcast.

"We need to memorize those faces, know their names. Americans should get down on their hands and knees and give thanks to them," he said.

Koppel quoted the Pentagon (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Pentagon%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Pentagon&h=c)) as putting the latest American death toll in Iraq at 737, including two Marines killed on Friday. He said the show had not been able to confirm 16 of the names. (Additional reporting by Steve Gorman)

Wigglytuff
May 1st, 2004, 02:04 PM
good god. now even saying that is unpatriotic

i see 1984 coming down the pipeline. next thing you know saying that ANY AMERICANS died at all will be considered unpartiotic. already using your freedom of speech that DEFINES america to speak is "unamerican" now, HONORING those killed is unpartiotic.

really these warmongers have no feelings*.

*a scientic study, recent showed that will those aligned with the democratic party had a strong emotion reaction to things like images of the dead at vietman, hiroshima ect. those aligned with republican party had no reaction at all.

Ballbuster
May 1st, 2004, 02:20 PM
That was a very respectful thing to do. Ted snuffed his critics in his closing remarks.

GoSandrine
May 1st, 2004, 02:25 PM
Go Ted!!! :yeah:

Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 02:35 PM
Yeah isn't it amazing? It seems McCain is one of the few Republicans with any kind of conscience. :lol: It's actually funny how scared they are of their own soldiers...They should've been embracing the show since the war is justified and blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

GoSandrine
May 1st, 2004, 02:38 PM
I'd vote for McCain for President if he were running. It's too bad the really good candidates can't seem to gather enough support.

vs1
May 1st, 2004, 02:43 PM
Yeah, I have lot of respect for McCain. I don't agree with all of this points, but I admire his integrity and honesty...something that is lacking in most politicians (of both parties) it seems.

As for gathering enough support to win a presidency...it's ironic that the very "values" americans talk about, they can't embrace when a candidate actually enspouses those values. I guess he need to suck more special interest dick and be unreasonable...if he wants a real crack at the white house. :rolleyes:

As for the show, I think that we should have been acknowledging and recognising these KIDS who have died during this war. It's an outrage they (until now) they've remained nameless, faceless numbers. We've turned them into statistics. AND THAT'S PATRIOTIC?!?! :mad: :mad:

Monique
May 1st, 2004, 02:58 PM
Controversy Rages as TV Show Lists U.S. War Dead

A media company whose executives have been strong supporters of President Bush (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22President%20Bush%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search/search?p=George+W.+Bush)), Maryland-based Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc., barred its ABC-affiliated stations from airing the "Nightline" broadcast, calling it a political statement that failed to give all sides of the story.


Sinclair company president David Smith responded that ABC "has adopted a strategy employed by numerous anti-war demonstrators who wish to focus attention solely on the cost of war." He said Sinclair stations would replace "Nightline" with "a balanced report addressing both sides of this controversy."

huh :confused: , I'm confused here, would a balanced report addressing both sides of this story mean reporting the names of the thousands of Iraquis who died as well? :o :rolleyes:

Rocketta
May 1st, 2004, 03:04 PM
huh :confused: , I'm confused here, would a balanced report addressing both sides of this story mean reporting the names of the thousands of Iraquis who died as well? :o :rolleyes:
ha, no a balanced report would be to not mention the dead and show the president instead...:o

*JR*
May 1st, 2004, 07:46 PM
huh :confused: , I'm confused here, would a balanced report addressing both sides of this story mean reporting the names of the thousands of Iraquis who died as well? :o :rolleyes:
I presume what Sinclair ran was arguements pro and con re. the war itself, not a list of names on both sides. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but its a dodge as the reasons for war have been endlessly debated. As Rocketta observed above:

"...It's actually funny how scared they are of their own soldiers...They should've been embracing the show since the war is justified and blah blah blah..." :yeah:

Monique
May 1st, 2004, 08:31 PM
there's no such thing as a balanced report. it doesn't exist. there was a time when journalism meant that you were neutral and just reported the news as it occurred. not now. everyone's got a "special interest" and depending on who's reporting what, you're likely to get whatever that person's political fodder is.
you're absolutely right, so let's all agree that there is no impartiality to the news and that the so called Western objectivity is nothing more than a well oiled propaganda to make us buy whoever side is financing the view.


you want balanced news? news that will suit your own personal tastes? strap on a kevlar vest, grab a camera and head out to kirkuk via KIA and good luck. hope the next time i see you you won't be hanging from a bridge upside down looking like last week's barbecue.
if that's what it takes to get balanced news, then I think I am a coward and would rather keep receiving the same bias...;) ... but if it's, as you say, up to oneself to go chasing for his own sources and personalize the view, I don't think I, as an individual, am any safer in Kirkuk today than I would be two years ago... not deliberating on the reasons for war, but Iraquis have exchanged a harsher reality today for the promise of a better future that might not even come... we cannot even call it a bargain, as they didn't have any active voice and the choice for their future is being made in Washington and some places else...

Monique
May 1st, 2004, 09:35 PM
it could be so, except for the fact that "western objectivity" comes in the many shades of left and right. :)

their future is being made up in washington now, and their future was made up by saddam in the past. either way, we're talking about a group of people who never had it any other way. :wavey:
ahhnnn, you've always had a way for bleaching a humanist's colourful view, haven't you :kiss: ;) ? aren't we allowed to dream anymore before you wake us up with a reality check?:) :hug:

*JR*
May 1st, 2004, 10:45 PM
their future is being made up in washington now, and their future was made up by saddam in the past. either way, we're talking about a group of people who never had it any other way. :wavey:
Which may have the Islamic fundamentalists being seen whenever the election comes as the best (or "least bad") major option! And if the election is certified as having been "free and fair" where does that leave us?
:confused:

BigTennisFan
May 2nd, 2004, 03:33 AM
there's no such thing as a balanced report. it doesn't exist. there was a time when journalism meant that you were neutral and just reported the news as it occurred. not now. everyone's got a "special interest" and depending on who's reporting what, you're likely to get whatever that person's political fodder is.

you want balanced news? news that will suit your own personal tastes? strap on a kevlar vest, grab a camera and head out to kirkuk via KIA and good luck. hope the next time i see you you won't be hanging from a bridge upside down looking like last week's barbecue.
Come now DD. We can't criticize Koppel. After all everyone knows that he's a far right wing ultra conservative Republican. ;)

BigTennisFan
May 2nd, 2004, 03:40 AM
Which may have the Islamic fundamentalists being seen whenever the election comes as the best (or "least bad") major option! And if the election is certified as having been "free and fair" where does that leave us?
:confused:Actually, even though it's not the politically correct thing to say (of course everyone is in shock that I'm not one of the pc crowd :lol: ), I have never believed that Iraq or any of the Islamic countries are capable of having a democracy. The more seriously they take Islam the less chance they have of becoming democratic. The two just don't go together. :bolt: